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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 3:08 PM ET #2351

    Let's agree, Mikniks and System, to not ever call anyone the dumbest person we have ever encountered on this site. We thought smoothd was dumb? Boy were we wrong. Compared to this dude, smoothd is einstein.
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    Let's agree, Mikniks and System, to not ever call anyone the dumbest person we have ever encountered on this site. We thought smoothd was dumb? Boy were we wrong. Compared to this dude, smoothd is einstein.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 3:12 PM ET #2352

    You are getting close. Give me some different hypothesis on how it all started. Fire away
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    You are getting close. Give me some different hypothesis on how it all started. Fire away
     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 3:14 PM ET #2353

    I'm waiting kittykatty, give me some ideas on how it all started, prove how smart you are.  You don't have to be right, just give a few different ideas. One of you has to have some balls and do it
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    I'm waiting kittykatty, give me some ideas on how it all started, prove how smart you are.  You don't have to be right, just give a few different ideas. One of you has to have some balls and do it
     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 3:15 PM ET #2354

    I already told you - you are not coming into this thread 2300 posts in and asking me to repeat myself. If you want my theories, go find them.
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    I already told you - you are not coming into this thread 2300 posts in and asking me to repeat myself. If you want my theories, go find them.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 3:20 PM ET #2355

    Just give me the footnotes
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    Just give me the footnotes
     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 3:26 PM ET #2356

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis
     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 3:28 PM ET #2357

    1. Multiverse theory (look it up for details, it has not yet been proven, but within the next decade or so scientists will likely prove or disprove it one way or the other)

    2. The universe (or whatever it was that sparked the big bang) simply always existed - because after all, SOMETHING had to always exist

    3. The expansion-contraction theory (although this has pretty much been debunked at this point since we know the universe's expansion is accelerating)

    Those are the 3 main ones that are serious.

    Then there's the flying spaghetti monster, the matrix theory, the harry potter theory, and the god theory.
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    1. Multiverse theory (look it up for details, it has not yet been proven, but within the next decade or so scientists will likely prove or disprove it one way or the other)

    2. The universe (or whatever it was that sparked the big bang) simply always existed - because after all, SOMETHING had to always exist

    3. The expansion-contraction theory (although this has pretty much been debunked at this point since we know the universe's expansion is accelerating)

    Those are the 3 main ones that are serious.

    Then there's the flying spaghetti monster, the matrix theory, the harry potter theory, and the god theory.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 3:29 PM ET #2358

    Quote Originally Posted by offensivestr:

    You are getting close. Give me some different hypothesis on how it all started. Fire away

    ok here you go
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    Quote Originally Posted by offensivestr:

    You are getting close. Give me some different hypothesis on how it all started. Fire away

    ok here you go
     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 3:29 PM ET #2359

    I tried to boil this down but to be honest the research is so extensive and mind-bogglingly dense that to try to summarize everything contained in there would be unfair to the subject. So, I guess we should just shrug and say "God did it" and then lied about the Creation story to help us sleep at night
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    I tried to boil this down but to be honest the research is so extensive and mind-bogglingly dense that to try to summarize everything contained in there would be unfair to the subject. So, I guess we should just shrug and say "God did it" and then lied about the Creation story to help us sleep at night
     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 3:30 PM ET #2360

    Abiogenesis is about life. I'm talking about the earth. How was it created?
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    Abiogenesis is about life. I'm talking about the earth. How was it created?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 3:31 PM ET #2361

    My other guess is that Adam fucked Eve SO HARD that the universe "exploded" into existence from Adam's giant God-made penis and thus why it is called "The Big Bang..." this is my theory and nobody can disprove it and I believe so it is therefore true because I said it is
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    My other guess is that Adam fucked Eve SO HARD that the universe "exploded" into existence from Adam's giant God-made penis and thus why it is called "The Big Bang..." this is my theory and nobody can disprove it and I believe so it is therefore true because I said it is
     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 3:32 PM ET #2362

    Quote Originally Posted by offensivestr:

    Abiogenesis is about life. I'm talking about the earth. How was it created?

    Earth was created the same way every other planet is created.

    https://lasp.colorado.edu/education/outerplanets/solsys_planets.php
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    Quote Originally Posted by offensivestr:

    Abiogenesis is about life. I'm talking about the earth. How was it created?

    Earth was created the same way every other planet is created.

    https://lasp.colorado.edu/education/outerplanets/solsys_planets.php
     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 3:32 PM ET #2363

    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarbear19:

    My other guess is that Adam fucked Eve SO HARD that the universe "exploded" into existence from Adam's giant God-made penis and thus why it is called "The Big Bang..." this is my theory and nobody can disprove it and I believe so it is therefore true because I said it is

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarbear19:

    My other guess is that Adam fucked Eve SO HARD that the universe "exploded" into existence from Adam's giant God-made penis and thus why it is called "The Big Bang..." this is my theory and nobody can disprove it and I believe so it is therefore true because I said it is

     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 3:34 PM ET #2364

    Sorry I'm not an expert on planet formation, but the shortened version is the gravity of the sun pulls a bunch of shit into orbit and over a very long period of time, gravity helps form the planets. This is one thing of the things we know for certain, how planets form.
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    Sorry I'm not an expert on planet formation, but the shortened version is the gravity of the sun pulls a bunch of shit into orbit and over a very long period of time, gravity helps form the planets. This is one thing of the things we know for certain, how planets form.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 3:37 PM ET #2365

    I'm not trying to be a prick. There are holes in every single theory you put out there. 

    At some point, it all goes back to nothing. 

    Big bang theory, two rocks collided, what created the rocks? 

    Multiverse theory? What created the different Universes?

    At some point it all goes back to nothing. You can't just say Universes always existed? What created the first Universe?

    It all goes back to nothing. So either believe a greater being or God created something from nothing or you believe that something magically appeared. So it's actually atheists that believe in magic. 


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    I'm not trying to be a prick. There are holes in every single theory you put out there. 

    At some point, it all goes back to nothing. 

    Big bang theory, two rocks collided, what created the rocks? 

    Multiverse theory? What created the different Universes?

    At some point it all goes back to nothing. You can't just say Universes always existed? What created the first Universe?

    It all goes back to nothing. So either believe a greater being or God created something from nothing or you believe that something magically appeared. So it's actually atheists that believe in magic. 


     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 3:40 PM ET #2366

    The universe didn't need God to begin; it was quite capable of launching its existence on its own, thank you very much, says reknowned physicist Stephen Hawking. The universe began with the Big Bang, which simply followed the inevitable law of physics, the scientist writes. “Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist," Hawking explains in an excerpt from his new book, The Grand Design.
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    The universe didn't need God to begin; it was quite capable of launching its existence on its own, thank you very much, says reknowned physicist Stephen Hawking. The universe began with the Big Bang, which simply followed the inevitable law of physics, the scientist writes. “Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist," Hawking explains in an excerpt from his new book, The Grand Design.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 3:41 PM ET #2367

    Quote Originally Posted by offensivestr:

    I'm not trying to be a prick. There are holes in every single theory you put out there. 

    At some point, it all goes back to nothing. 

    Big bang theory, two rocks collided, what created the rocks? 

    Multiverse theory? What created the different Universes?

    At some point it all goes back to nothing. You can't just say Universes always existed? What created the first Universe?

    It all goes back to nothing. So either believe a greater being or God created something from nothing or you believe that something magically appeared. So it's actually atheists that believe in magic. 



    I don't think you even know what question you are asking.  First you ask where life comes from and say you meant the planets, and then you don't care what we tell you about the planets and ask about the universe.  Are you a bit confused?
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    Quote Originally Posted by offensivestr:

    I'm not trying to be a prick. There are holes in every single theory you put out there. 

    At some point, it all goes back to nothing. 

    Big bang theory, two rocks collided, what created the rocks? 

    Multiverse theory? What created the different Universes?

    At some point it all goes back to nothing. You can't just say Universes always existed? What created the first Universe?

    It all goes back to nothing. So either believe a greater being or God created something from nothing or you believe that something magically appeared. So it's actually atheists that believe in magic. 



    I don't think you even know what question you are asking.  First you ask where life comes from and say you meant the planets, and then you don't care what we tell you about the planets and ask about the universe.  Are you a bit confused?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 3:42 PM ET #2368

    At some point, no matter where you start, you have a beginning. Absolute nothing. So either believe something with a greater knowledge and understanding than us was a creator or you believe that something magically appeared. God makes more sense to me. Just my opinion. 
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    At some point, no matter where you start, you have a beginning. Absolute nothing. So either believe something with a greater knowledge and understanding than us was a creator or you believe that something magically appeared. God makes more sense to me. Just my opinion. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 3:42 PM ET #2369

    Quote Originally Posted by offensivestr:

    I'm not trying to be a prick. There are holes in every single theory you put out there. 

    At some point, it all goes back to nothing. 

    Big bang theory, two rocks collided, what created the rocks? 

    Multiverse theory? What created the different Universes?

    At some point it all goes back to nothing. You can't just say Universes always existed? What created the first Universe?

    It all goes back to nothing. So either believe a greater being or God created something from nothing or you believe that something magically appeared. So it's actually atheists that believe in magic. 



    But you realize that at some point, something had to always exist because otherwise there would be nothing. Why is it so outrageous that the universe or the initial spark of the big bang "always existed" but claiming a magical being that created everything out of nothing "always existed" is acceptable?

    I'd rather believe in one level of infinite existence than 2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by offensivestr:

    I'm not trying to be a prick. There are holes in every single theory you put out there. 

    At some point, it all goes back to nothing. 

    Big bang theory, two rocks collided, what created the rocks? 

    Multiverse theory? What created the different Universes?

    At some point it all goes back to nothing. You can't just say Universes always existed? What created the first Universe?

    It all goes back to nothing. So either believe a greater being or God created something from nothing or you believe that something magically appeared. So it's actually atheists that believe in magic. 



    But you realize that at some point, something had to always exist because otherwise there would be nothing. Why is it so outrageous that the universe or the initial spark of the big bang "always existed" but claiming a magical being that created everything out of nothing "always existed" is acceptable?

    I'd rather believe in one level of infinite existence than 2.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 3:43 PM ET #2370

    Quote Originally Posted by offensivestr:

    At some point, no matter where you start, you have a beginning. Absolute nothing. So either believe something with a greater knowledge and understanding than us was a creator or you believe that something magically appeared. God makes more sense to me. Just my opinion. 

    So there was absolute nothing?  Where did god come from?  He just went "poof" and there he was??
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    Quote Originally Posted by offensivestr:

    At some point, no matter where you start, you have a beginning. Absolute nothing. So either believe something with a greater knowledge and understanding than us was a creator or you believe that something magically appeared. God makes more sense to me. Just my opinion. 

    So there was absolute nothing?  Where did god come from?  He just went "poof" and there he was??
     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 3:44 PM ET #2371

    Mikniks you are so cute. Go play outside for a bit
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    Mikniks you are so cute. Go play outside for a bit
     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 3:44 PM ET #2372

    Quote Originally Posted by offensivestr:


    It all goes back to nothing. So either believe a greater being or God created something from nothing or you believe that something magically appeared. So it's actually atheists that believe in magic. 




    Formerly, when religion was strong and science weak, men mistook 
    magic for medicine; now, when science is strong and religion 
    weak, men mistake medicine for magic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by offensivestr:


    It all goes back to nothing. So either believe a greater being or God created something from nothing or you believe that something magically appeared. So it's actually atheists that believe in magic. 




    Formerly, when religion was strong and science weak, men mistook 
    magic for medicine; now, when science is strong and religion 
    weak, men mistake medicine for magic.
           - Thomas Szasz

     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 3:45 PM ET #2373

    Heads up to Rostos - PLEASE DON'T ANSWER QUESTIONS DIRECTED FOR offensivestr. We already know what you think, we wanna know what he thinks.
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    Heads up to Rostos - PLEASE DON'T ANSWER QUESTIONS DIRECTED FOR offensivestr. We already know what you think, we wanna know what he thinks.
     
    offensivestr
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 3:47 PM ET #2374

    Kittykatz, 

    I hear what you are saying but something could not just always exist? At some point, there had to be nothing. If there was a spark, what created the spark? 
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    Kittykatz, 

    I hear what you are saying but something could not just always exist? At some point, there had to be nothing. If there was a spark, what created the spark? 
     
     
    Mikniks
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 3:47 PM ET #2375

    And what does the Big Bang have to do with two rocks colliding?

    Are you referring to how the moon was formed when earth was hit by another planet and a section of earth formed the moon?

    By the way, without the moon we would not be alive...
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    And what does the Big Bang have to do with two rocks colliding?

    Are you referring to how the moon was formed when earth was hit by another planet and a section of earth formed the moon?

    By the way, without the moon we would not be alive...
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