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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 4:36 PM ET #2401

    I have no doubt there is a God. I've seen enough in my life to know there is something greater than us. 
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    I have no doubt there is a God. I've seen enough in my life to know there is something greater than us. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 4:39 PM ET #2402

    Quote Originally Posted by offensivestr:

    I have no doubt there is a God. I've seen enough in my life to know there is something greater than us. 


    This is common among the believers.  They can't explain it and fill the void with god because people like having the answers.  That's fine.

    Can you please tell me what miracles you have witnessed...
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    Quote Originally Posted by offensivestr:

    I have no doubt there is a God. I've seen enough in my life to know there is something greater than us. 


    This is common among the believers.  They can't explain it and fill the void with god because people like having the answers.  That's fine.

    Can you please tell me what miracles you have witnessed...
     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 4:46 PM ET #2403

    Quote Originally Posted by offensivestr:

    Have any of you ever witnessed a miracle? An unexplainable miracle? 

    of course, didn't you see the broncos beat the bears?
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    Quote Originally Posted by offensivestr:

    Have any of you ever witnessed a miracle? An unexplainable miracle? 

    of course, didn't you see the broncos beat the bears?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 4:47 PM ET #2404

    Before i start on miracles have you ever tried looking up proof of God? Did u know there were African cave paintings about total darkness for multiple days at the time of crucifixtion? 

    Scientists have already proven  there was no eclipse at that time. An eclipse was impossible.  Originally they said that is what it was but now they know there was not. 

    There is more historical proof of Jesus's life than there is most of the battles we read about in our history books.
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    Before i start on miracles have you ever tried looking up proof of God? Did u know there were African cave paintings about total darkness for multiple days at the time of crucifixtion? 

    Scientists have already proven  there was no eclipse at that time. An eclipse was impossible.  Originally they said that is what it was but now they know there was not. 

    There is more historical proof of Jesus's life than there is most of the battles we read about in our history books.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 4:50 PM ET #2405

    Quote Originally Posted by offensivestr:

    Before i start on miracles have you ever tried looking up proof of God? Did u know there were African cave paintings about total darkness for multiple days at the time of crucifixtion? 

    Scientists have already proven  there was no eclipse at that time. An eclipse was impossible.  Originally they said that is what it was but now they know there was not. 

    There is more historical proof of Jesus's life than there is most of the battles we read about in our history books.

    here we go again
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    Quote Originally Posted by offensivestr:

    Before i start on miracles have you ever tried looking up proof of God? Did u know there were African cave paintings about total darkness for multiple days at the time of crucifixtion? 

    Scientists have already proven  there was no eclipse at that time. An eclipse was impossible.  Originally they said that is what it was but now they know there was not. 

    There is more historical proof of Jesus's life than there is most of the battles we read about in our history books.

    here we go again
     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 4:53 PM ET #2406

    Stop ignoring my questions please...

    What miracles have you witnessed?
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    Stop ignoring my questions please...

    What miracles have you witnessed?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 4:53 PM ET #2407

    You shouldn't have to search for remote, and very select examples of "evidence" if something as important as the existence of god were true, there would be miracles all over the place.
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    You shouldn't have to search for remote, and very select examples of "evidence" if something as important as the existence of god were true, there would be miracles all over the place.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 4:58 PM ET #2408

    Or what about finding a bowl with the markings of "Goliath" in the Palestine city of Gath? 

    I do wish y'all the best
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    Or what about finding a bowl with the markings of "Goliath" in the Palestine city of Gath? 

    I do wish y'all the best
     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 5:00 PM ET #2409

    Quote Originally Posted by offensivestr:

    Or what about finding a bowl with the markings of "Goliath" in the Palestine city of Gath? 

    I do wish y'all the best


    WHAT MIRACLES HAVE YOU WITNESSED?!?!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by offensivestr:

    Or what about finding a bowl with the markings of "Goliath" in the Palestine city of Gath? 

    I do wish y'all the best


    WHAT MIRACLES HAVE YOU WITNESSED?!?!?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 5:01 PM ET #2410

    It's like talking to a wall....
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    It's like talking to a wall....
     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 5:03 PM ET #2411

    Because in the course of history there have been exactly 0 miracles. What do you expect?
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    Because in the course of history there have been exactly 0 miracles. What do you expect?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 5:05 PM ET #2412

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    Because in the course of history there have been exactly 0 miracles. What do you expect?


    Nothing pisses me off more than when people attribute a person's recovery from cancer or any other disease to be an act of god...  Yea, the doctors aren't doing anything...
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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    Because in the course of history there have been exactly 0 miracles. What do you expect?


    Nothing pisses me off more than when people attribute a person's recovery from cancer or any other disease to be an act of god...  Yea, the doctors aren't doing anything...
     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 5:07 PM ET #2413

    It all comes back to this: Why does god hate amputees?
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    It all comes back to this: Why does god hate amputees?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 5:16 PM ET #2414

    We will start with this one. 

    My parents good friends (dan and mary) experienced a miracle. After several years of keeping it to themselves they shared it at church. 

    They had been married for 3 years.  She was in a terrible car accident.  After being rushed to the hospital and while she was being operated on she felt herself leaving her body. As she retold the story she said she was able to look down on her body as it was being operated on. She saw blood everywhere and saw the doctors and surgeons pronounce her dead. She said she felt the most peaceful presence surround her. She said she started heading for a light. she said a light so peaceful words will never be able to describe it. As she headed towards it a lady stepped in front of her. The lady told her it was not her time. Mary was lost. She had never seen this person in her life. She said she was not going back to that bloody mess. The lady said "please, it's not your time and my son needs you".  Mary woke up after her heart started beating again.  The first words from her mouth to her husband were "go get me a picture of your mother".  Her husband thought she was just confused and refused. She started yelling at him. He eventually went to the house and got an old picture out of storage of his mother.  He took it back to Mary. She cried and said that was the lady that told me to come back here.  She had been dead for thirty years and Mary had never seen her before. 
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    We will start with this one. 

    My parents good friends (dan and mary) experienced a miracle. After several years of keeping it to themselves they shared it at church. 

    They had been married for 3 years.  She was in a terrible car accident.  After being rushed to the hospital and while she was being operated on she felt herself leaving her body. As she retold the story she said she was able to look down on her body as it was being operated on. She saw blood everywhere and saw the doctors and surgeons pronounce her dead. She said she felt the most peaceful presence surround her. She said she started heading for a light. she said a light so peaceful words will never be able to describe it. As she headed towards it a lady stepped in front of her. The lady told her it was not her time. Mary was lost. She had never seen this person in her life. She said she was not going back to that bloody mess. The lady said "please, it's not your time and my son needs you".  Mary woke up after her heart started beating again.  The first words from her mouth to her husband were "go get me a picture of your mother".  Her husband thought she was just confused and refused. She started yelling at him. He eventually went to the house and got an old picture out of storage of his mother.  He took it back to Mary. She cried and said that was the lady that told me to come back here.  She had been dead for thirty years and Mary had never seen her before. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 5:19 PM ET #2415

    1. There is no reason to believe her

    2. So if the doctors hadn't done anything, you're saying she would have survived? Why have doctors? They shouldn't even exist. Just let god save everyone.
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    1. There is no reason to believe her

    2. So if the doctors hadn't done anything, you're saying she would have survived? Why have doctors? They shouldn't even exist. Just let god save everyone.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 5:22 PM ET #2416

    Say what you will. Unreal story. A lady that is in her forties crying and telling this story makes it hard not to believe. My gut says true. Just my opinion. If u don't believe it I understand
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    Say what you will. Unreal story. A lady that is in her forties crying and telling this story makes it hard not to believe. My gut says true. Just my opinion. If u don't believe it I understand
     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 5:28 PM ET #2417

    Quote Originally Posted by offensivestr:

    We will start with this one. 

    My parents good friends (dan and mary) experienced a miracle. After several years of keeping it to themselves they shared it at church. 

    They had been married for 3 years.  She was in a terrible car accident.  After being rushed to the hospital and while she was being operated on she felt herself leaving her body. As she retold the story she said she was able to look down on her body as it was being operated on. She saw blood everywhere and saw the doctors and surgeons pronounce her dead. She said she felt the most peaceful presence surround her. She said she started heading for a light. she said a light so peaceful words will never be able to describe it. As she headed towards it a lady stepped in front of her. The lady told her it was not her time. Mary was lost. She had never seen this person in her life. She said she was not going back to that bloody mess. The lady said "please, it's not your time and my son needs you".  Mary woke up after her heart started beating again.  The first words from her mouth to her husband were "go get me a picture of your mother".  Her husband thought she was just confused and refused. She started yelling at him. He eventually went to the house and got an old picture out of storage of his mother.  He took it back to Mary. She cried and said that was the lady that told me to come back here.  She had been dead for thirty years and Mary had never seen her before. 

    so what is the miracle? a person was in an accident and didn't die
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    Quote Originally Posted by offensivestr:

    We will start with this one. 

    My parents good friends (dan and mary) experienced a miracle. After several years of keeping it to themselves they shared it at church. 

    They had been married for 3 years.  She was in a terrible car accident.  After being rushed to the hospital and while she was being operated on she felt herself leaving her body. As she retold the story she said she was able to look down on her body as it was being operated on. She saw blood everywhere and saw the doctors and surgeons pronounce her dead. She said she felt the most peaceful presence surround her. She said she started heading for a light. she said a light so peaceful words will never be able to describe it. As she headed towards it a lady stepped in front of her. The lady told her it was not her time. Mary was lost. She had never seen this person in her life. She said she was not going back to that bloody mess. The lady said "please, it's not your time and my son needs you".  Mary woke up after her heart started beating again.  The first words from her mouth to her husband were "go get me a picture of your mother".  Her husband thought she was just confused and refused. She started yelling at him. He eventually went to the house and got an old picture out of storage of his mother.  He took it back to Mary. She cried and said that was the lady that told me to come back here.  She had been dead for thirty years and Mary had never seen her before. 

    so what is the miracle? a person was in an accident and didn't die
     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 5:34 PM ET #2418

    Obviously his focus is on the "out of body" experience. But lots of people claim this type of shit. That doesn't make it true or is it evidence of any god, let alone the specific god Christians believe in.
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    Obviously his focus is on the "out of body" experience. But lots of people claim this type of shit. That doesn't make it true or is it evidence of any god, let alone the specific god Christians believe in.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 5:36 PM ET #2419

    How do u explain the lady ? Randomness
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    How do u explain the lady ? Randomness
     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 5:38 PM ET #2420

    Gotta cap now. I'll post more later
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    Gotta cap now. I'll post more later
     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 5:39 PM ET #2421

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    Obviously his focus is on the "out of body" experience. But lots of people claim this type of shit. That doesn't make it true or is it evidence of any god, let alone the specific god Christians believe in.

    i wouldn't even call the "out of body experience" a miracle. peoples minds do some crazy shit when going through some trauma, just think about the crazy shit you dream about...and I agree, does nothing to prove a christian god...
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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    Obviously his focus is on the "out of body" experience. But lots of people claim this type of shit. That doesn't make it true or is it evidence of any god, let alone the specific god Christians believe in.

    i wouldn't even call the "out of body experience" a miracle. peoples minds do some crazy shit when going through some trauma, just think about the crazy shit you dream about...and I agree, does nothing to prove a christian god...
     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 5:41 PM ET #2422

    Don't explain the lady, 
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    Don't explain the lady, 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 6:06 PM ET #2423

    The focus isn't out of body, the focus is being told something by someone that has been dead for 30 years by someone you have never seen. 
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    The focus isn't out of body, the focus is being told something by someone that has been dead for 30 years by someone you have never seen. 
     
    Rostos
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 6:09 PM ET #2424

    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    people believing in harry potter doesn't affect our lives

    have a good think about it

    Oh, because a few people (extremists) decided to drive a plane into a building it is Gods fault?

    Why dont we ban all sports? After all, when the Dodgers lost to the Giants, earlier this year, the Dodgers fan killed the Gians fan. If it wasnt for game of baseball, the fan wouldnt have been killed. Lets get rid of sports the, they are clealry the cause of evil in the world.......

    Great logic.you have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    people believing in harry potter doesn't affect our lives

    have a good think about it

    Oh, because a few people (extremists) decided to drive a plane into a building it is Gods fault?

    Why dont we ban all sports? After all, when the Dodgers lost to the Giants, earlier this year, the Dodgers fan killed the Gians fan. If it wasnt for game of baseball, the fan wouldnt have been killed. Lets get rid of sports the, they are clealry the cause of evil in the world.......

    Great logic.you have.

     
     
    offensivestr
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 6:11 PM ET #2425

    It's called free will and it's a broken world. It says that repeatedly in the bible. Bad things will happen to good people, 
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    It's called free will and it's a broken world. It says that repeatedly in the bible. Bad things will happen to good people, 
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