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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2011 - 10:42 PM ET #2151

    And those odds you keep spitting out are based on what we know so far.  You think were done learning?  I know you certainly are because you've chosen to fill the gap of the unknown with a fairy tale, which is fine.  What will you say if and when the multiverse theory is proven?
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    And those odds you keep spitting out are based on what we know so far.  You think were done learning?  I know you certainly are because you've chosen to fill the gap of the unknown with a fairy tale, which is fine.  What will you say if and when the multiverse theory is proven?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2011 - 10:44 PM ET #2152

    Quote Originally Posted by sparty444:

    Will ask again ... the universe is 10-15 billion years old.... human life is 500,000 .... explain that in genesis terms

    Also... which variety of man did god create? I'm guessing it wasn't the neanderthals


    I thought it was 6000 years old lol you would think god would know the age of everything...  He missed a lot of birthdays!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sparty444:

    Will ask again ... the universe is 10-15 billion years old.... human life is 500,000 .... explain that in genesis terms

    Also... which variety of man did god create? I'm guessing it wasn't the neanderthals


    I thought it was 6000 years old lol you would think god would know the age of everything...  He missed a lot of birthdays!!
     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2011 - 10:54 PM ET #2153

    Quote Originally Posted by sparty444:

    Will ask again ... the universe is 10-15 billion years old.... human life is 500,000 .... explain that in genesis terms

    Also... which variety of man did god create? I'm guessing it wasn't the neanderthals

    WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT SAY THE UNIVERSE IS 6000 years old? Where is that sentence?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparty444:

    Will ask again ... the universe is 10-15 billion years old.... human life is 500,000 .... explain that in genesis terms

    Also... which variety of man did god create? I'm guessing it wasn't the neanderthals

    WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT SAY THE UNIVERSE IS 6000 years old? Where is that sentence?

     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2011 - 10:55 PM ET #2154

    bible does not say the age of anything or that aliens can not be, if you can not prove God, then why do this again and again?

    we could be talking about the new M5, but no

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    bible does not say the age of anything or that aliens can not be, if you can not prove God, then why do this again and again?

    we could be talking about the new M5, but no

     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2011 - 11:00 PM ET #2155

    Quote Originally Posted by boberts427:

    bible does not say the age of anything or that aliens can not be, if you can not prove God, then why do this again and again?

    we could be talking about the new M5, but no

    Just fascinated that some people want evidence for some things and not for others.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by boberts427:

    bible does not say the age of anything or that aliens can not be, if you can not prove God, then why do this again and again?

    we could be talking about the new M5, but no

    Just fascinated that some people want evidence for some things and not for others.......

     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2011 - 11:01 PM ET #2156

    I never said th bible dated anything... re-read what I wrote please.

    I said that the universe is an estimated 10-15 billion years and that human beings were 500,000 years old.  Please explain how that makes sense with the genesis story. example:

    Were the dinosaurs part of the eden petting zoo? Why did god eliminate the dinosaurs? Why did he wait billions of years to create man?

    Also.... which variety of man did god create.... you do realize that modern man was not the only variety?

     

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    I never said th bible dated anything... re-read what I wrote please.

    I said that the universe is an estimated 10-15 billion years and that human beings were 500,000 years old.  Please explain how that makes sense with the genesis story. example:

    Were the dinosaurs part of the eden petting zoo? Why did god eliminate the dinosaurs? Why did he wait billions of years to create man?

    Also.... which variety of man did god create.... you do realize that modern man was not the only variety?

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2011 - 11:05 PM ET #2157

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT SAY THE UNIVERSE IS 6000 years old? Where is that sentence?


    Creationists believe the earth is 6000 years old...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT SAY THE UNIVERSE IS 6000 years old? Where is that sentence?


    Creationists believe the earth is 6000 years old...
     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2011 - 11:07 PM ET #2158

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Just fascinated that some people want evidence for some things and not for others.......


    What did I say I don't need evidence for?  Alien life is 100% FACT...  What is the problem sir?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Just fascinated that some people want evidence for some things and not for others.......


    What did I say I don't need evidence for?  Alien life is 100% FACT...  What is the problem sir?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2011 - 11:10 PM ET #2159

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Just fascinated that some people want evidence for some things and not for others.......

    i agree and though i dont agree with what they think i understand how they twist it to believe what they want, religons do the same thing, thats why im all for the personal realationship with God. Last time i use this quote

    "science and religion are two branches of the same tree"

    87 pages of pride

    Jag needs a new XJ220s it's been 15-20 years

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Just fascinated that some people want evidence for some things and not for others.......

    i agree and though i dont agree with what they think i understand how they twist it to believe what they want, religons do the same thing, thats why im all for the personal realationship with God. Last time i use this quote

    "science and religion are two branches of the same tree"

    87 pages of pride

    Jag needs a new XJ220s it's been 15-20 years

     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2011 - 11:13 PM ET #2160

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


    Creationists believe the earth is 6000 years old...

    I dont care what creationsists think, i just care what is written in the bible

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


    Creationists believe the earth is 6000 years old...

    I dont care what creationsists think, i just care what is written in the bible

     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2011 - 11:17 PM ET #2161

    Where in the bible does god create viruses -amoebas and paramecium?   They are not mentioned because they were not comprehended

    When bones of dinosaurs were found they created stories about giants- dragons and monsters...why? Because they couldn't comprehend it

    Many scientists believe that our ability to speak didn't orginate with person-sapien... it was the neanderthals that probably passed on the ability to us. Humans evolved as a species.... and the fossil record shows it quite clearly.

    Is plenty of evidence that proves that the creation story that you are preaching is false... doesn't mean a god doesn't exist.... just not the god your preaching

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    Where in the bible does god create viruses -amoebas and paramecium?   They are not mentioned because they were not comprehended

    When bones of dinosaurs were found they created stories about giants- dragons and monsters...why? Because they couldn't comprehend it

    Many scientists believe that our ability to speak didn't orginate with person-sapien... it was the neanderthals that probably passed on the ability to us. Humans evolved as a species.... and the fossil record shows it quite clearly.

    Is plenty of evidence that proves that the creation story that you are preaching is false... doesn't mean a god doesn't exist.... just not the god your preaching

     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2011 - 11:22 PM ET #2162

    Quote Originally Posted by sparty444:

    Where in the bible does god create viruses -amoebas and paramecium?   They are not mentioned because they were not comprehended

    So there werent diseases around the time of Jesus?

    When bones of dinosaurs were found they created stories about giants- dragons and monsters...why? Because they couldn't comprehend it

    There are references in the bible to dinasours....

    Many scientists believe that our ability to speak didn't orginate with person-sapien... it was the neanderthals that probably passed on the ability to us. Humans evolved as a species.... and the fossil record shows it quite clearly.

    Evolution is not even a theory....Where are ALL THE transitionary fossils?  Darwin himself said there should be thousands......Evolution is NOT FACT.

    Is plenty of evidence that proves that the creation story that you are preaching is false... doesn't mean a god doesn't exist.... just not the god your preaching

    Such as?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparty444:

    Where in the bible does god create viruses -amoebas and paramecium?   They are not mentioned because they were not comprehended

    So there werent diseases around the time of Jesus?

    When bones of dinosaurs were found they created stories about giants- dragons and monsters...why? Because they couldn't comprehend it

    There are references in the bible to dinasours....

    Many scientists believe that our ability to speak didn't orginate with person-sapien... it was the neanderthals that probably passed on the ability to us. Humans evolved as a species.... and the fossil record shows it quite clearly.

    Evolution is not even a theory....Where are ALL THE transitionary fossils?  Darwin himself said there should be thousands......Evolution is NOT FACT.

    Is plenty of evidence that proves that the creation story that you are preaching is false... doesn't mean a god doesn't exist.... just not the god your preaching

    Such as?

     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2011 - 11:25 PM ET #2163

    Well up until now the discussion was primarily centered around "a" god existing. If we wanna go into the specific god that exists, then obviously the odds of a specific god being the one that exists is much much lower. That's what's even more astounding. That it's a two part process that they think is right. Not only does a god exist, but they know which god is the correct one.
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    Well up until now the discussion was primarily centered around "a" god existing. If we wanna go into the specific god that exists, then obviously the odds of a specific god being the one that exists is much much lower. That's what's even more astounding. That it's a two part process that they think is right. Not only does a god exist, but they know which god is the correct one.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2011 - 11:31 PM ET #2164

    the odds against such an occurrence were on the order of 1010123 to 1."
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    the odds against such an occurrence were on the order of 1010123 to 1."
     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2011 - 11:31 PM ET #2165

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    I dont care what creationsists think, i just care what is written in the bible


    But the bible teaches the creation story.  You don't care about that part of the bible?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    I dont care what creationsists think, i just care what is written in the bible


    But the bible teaches the creation story.  You don't care about that part of the bible?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2011 - 11:34 PM ET #2166

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    the odds against such an occurrence were on the order of 1010123 to 1."

    as far as we know SO FAR...  Will you change your stance on all of this if the multiverse is proved?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    the odds against such an occurrence were on the order of 1010123 to 1."

    as far as we know SO FAR...  Will you change your stance on all of this if the multiverse is proved?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2011 - 12:26 AM ET #2167

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


    as far as we know SO FAR...  Will you change your stance on all of this if the multiverse is proved?

    do people still think the moon is cheese?

    if your faith is strong enough science should never be a worry, you've got nothing to lose

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


    as far as we know SO FAR...  Will you change your stance on all of this if the multiverse is proved?

    do people still think the moon is cheese?

    if your faith is strong enough science should never be a worry, you've got nothing to lose

     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2011 - 12:30 AM ET #2168

    Quote Originally Posted by boberts427:

    do people still think the moon is cheese?

    if your faith is strong enough science should never be a worry, you've got nothing to lose


    What happens if scientific evidence arises that contradicts your faith? Hypothetically, for the purposes of this discussion, let's presume that this scientific evidence becomes absolute proof of something that contradicts your faith; would you then change your beliefs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by boberts427:

    do people still think the moon is cheese?

    if your faith is strong enough science should never be a worry, you've got nothing to lose


    What happens if scientific evidence arises that contradicts your faith? Hypothetically, for the purposes of this discussion, let's presume that this scientific evidence becomes absolute proof of something that contradicts your faith; would you then change your beliefs?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2011 - 12:42 AM ET #2169

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


    What happens if scientific evidence arises that contradicts your faith? Hypothetically, for the purposes of this discussion, let's presume that this scientific evidence becomes absolute proof of something that contradicts your faith; would you then change your beliefs?

    Of course not. They would claim it is a test from god lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


    What happens if scientific evidence arises that contradicts your faith? Hypothetically, for the purposes of this discussion, let's presume that this scientific evidence becomes absolute proof of something that contradicts your faith; would you then change your beliefs?

    Of course not. They would claim it is a test from god lol
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2011 - 12:54 AM ET #2170

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


    What happens if scientific evidence arises that contradicts your faith? Hypothetically, for the purposes of this discussion, let's presume that this scientific evidence becomes absolute proof of something that contradicts your faith; would you then change your beliefs?

    Me personally have different beliefs than well, everyone- i don't think you can find someone that has the same beliefs on everything, i do know that i can change an idea, i think that there are aliens do to advancements in science but my beliefs are the same

    God created all this

    Jesus died for our sins

    most scientist think this is all rubbish, but not all. w/o my relationship with God my faith would be much smaller, how could it not be. the bible talks about trying to have the faith the size of a mustard seed. people don't close there eyes and  put there fingers in there ears. people don't but religions will.

    The calendar we have today we didn't have in the Jesus days and thats fine, time lines are not conflicting my beliefs but it does change my ideas of "when"

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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


    What happens if scientific evidence arises that contradicts your faith? Hypothetically, for the purposes of this discussion, let's presume that this scientific evidence becomes absolute proof of something that contradicts your faith; would you then change your beliefs?

    Me personally have different beliefs than well, everyone- i don't think you can find someone that has the same beliefs on everything, i do know that i can change an idea, i think that there are aliens do to advancements in science but my beliefs are the same

    God created all this

    Jesus died for our sins

    most scientist think this is all rubbish, but not all. w/o my relationship with God my faith would be much smaller, how could it not be. the bible talks about trying to have the faith the size of a mustard seed. people don't close there eyes and  put there fingers in there ears. people don't but religions will.

    The calendar we have today we didn't have in the Jesus days and thats fine, time lines are not conflicting my beliefs but it does change my ideas of "when"

     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2011 - 1:08 AM ET #2171

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


    as far as we know SO FAR...  Will you change your stance on all of this if the multiverse is proved?

    The multiverse will be proven now??

    Wait till i prove to you guys that i will be on the Miami Heat roster one day......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


    as far as we know SO FAR...  Will you change your stance on all of this if the multiverse is proved?

    The multiverse will be proven now??

    Wait till i prove to you guys that i will be on the Miami Heat roster one day......

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


    What happens if scientific evidence arises that contradicts your faith? Hypothetically, for the purposes of this discussion, let's presume that this scientific evidence becomes absolute proof of something that contradicts your faith; would you then change your beliefs?

    The whole foundation of science is built on faith.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


    What happens if scientific evidence arises that contradicts your faith? Hypothetically, for the purposes of this discussion, let's presume that this scientific evidence becomes absolute proof of something that contradicts your faith; would you then change your beliefs?

    The whole foundation of science is built on faith.....

     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2011 - 1:34 AM ET #2173

    So what Rostos is saying is the fact that something might be very unlikely proves that it couldn't have happened. I don't think you should be allowed near numbers because you might hurt them
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    So what Rostos is saying is the fact that something might be very unlikely proves that it couldn't have happened. I don't think you should be allowed near numbers because you might hurt them
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2011 - 1:37 AM ET #2174

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Yes or No, do you have EMPIRICAL evidence aliens exist?


    Yes, primary evidence, that's better than any secondary or empirical evidence.  Direct observation, no guesses.  Real, not fiction.

    Learn grammar, will make you more debate
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Yes or No, do you have EMPIRICAL evidence aliens exist?


    Yes, primary evidence, that's better than any secondary or empirical evidence.  Direct observation, no guesses.  Real, not fiction.

    Learn grammar, will make you more debate
     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2011 - 1:52 AM ET #2175

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    The multiverse will be proven now??

    Wait till i prove to you guys that i will be on the Miami Heat roster one day......


    It says in the bible that you shouldn't use this guy 


    Sparty makes a bunch of good points and doesn't get any answers responses? 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    The multiverse will be proven now??

    Wait till i prove to you guys that i will be on the Miami Heat roster one day......


    It says in the bible that you shouldn't use this guy 


    Sparty makes a bunch of good points and doesn't get any answers responses? 
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