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    If Christ died on the cross for all of humanity

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    KittyKatz286
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2011 - 3:47 AM ET #2201

    Creation of the universe aside, let's speak practically realistically for you SJD.

    As a practical and realistic human being, what is more realistic?

    The world we live in and know is all there is; or
    We live in this world now and then when we die, we continue on in some spiritual world that we have no way of knowing exists?

    Realistically speaking, which one makes more sense?
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    Creation of the universe aside, let's speak practically realistically for you SJD.

    As a practical and realistic human being, what is more realistic?

    The world we live in and know is all there is; or
    We live in this world now and then when we die, we continue on in some spiritual world that we have no way of knowing exists?

    Realistically speaking, which one makes more sense?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2011 - 3:48 AM ET #2202

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    There is ZERO evidence of a multiverse.....The multiverse is simply a naturalistic presupposition to get around the fine tuning argument....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    There is ZERO evidence of a multiverse.....The multiverse is simply a naturalistic presupposition to get around the fine tuning argument....

     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2011 - 3:48 AM ET #2203

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    What...multiverses, aliens (bacteria), harry porter, santa, toothfairy, zeus...what else is next?...lol  

    Isn't miknik aware that we have bacteria on earth so they can't be aliens?...lol

    I think I'll stick with Almighty God, the Creator of the universe and everything else that exist....


    WOW!!! WOW!!! WOW!!!

    THIS IS BY FAR THE DUMBEST POST OF ALLLLL TIMEEEEE!!!

    THERE CAN'T BE SUCH A THING AS ALIEN BACTERIA?!?!?!?

    THERE ARE NOT WORDS IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE TO EXPRESS HOW INSANELY STUPID THIS POST IS!!!  I CAN NOT BELIEVE YOU SAID THAT!!!  HOW DELUSIONAL ARE YOU?!?!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    What...multiverses, aliens (bacteria), harry porter, santa, toothfairy, zeus...what else is next?...lol  

    Isn't miknik aware that we have bacteria on earth so they can't be aliens?...lol

    I think I'll stick with Almighty God, the Creator of the universe and everything else that exist....


    WOW!!! WOW!!! WOW!!!

    THIS IS BY FAR THE DUMBEST POST OF ALLLLL TIMEEEEE!!!

    THERE CAN'T BE SUCH A THING AS ALIEN BACTERIA?!?!?!?

    THERE ARE NOT WORDS IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE TO EXPRESS HOW INSANELY STUPID THIS POST IS!!!  I CAN NOT BELIEVE YOU SAID THAT!!!  HOW DELUSIONAL ARE YOU?!?!?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2011 - 3:56 AM ET #2204

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


    WOW!!! WOW!!! WOW!!!

    THIS IS BY FAR THE DUMBEST POST OF ALLLLL TIMEEEEE!!!

    THERE CAN'T BE SUCH A THING AS ALIEN BACTERIA?!?!?!?

    THERE ARE NOT WORDS IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE TO EXPRESS HOW INSANELY STUPID THIS POST IS!!!  I CAN NOT BELIEVE YOU SAID THAT!!!  HOW DELUSIONAL ARE YOU?!?!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


    WOW!!! WOW!!! WOW!!!

    THIS IS BY FAR THE DUMBEST POST OF ALLLLL TIMEEEEE!!!

    THERE CAN'T BE SUCH A THING AS ALIEN BACTERIA?!?!?!?

    THERE ARE NOT WORDS IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE TO EXPRESS HOW INSANELY STUPID THIS POST IS!!!  I CAN NOT BELIEVE YOU SAID THAT!!!  HOW DELUSIONAL ARE YOU?!?!?

     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2011 - 3:56 AM ET #2205

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


    You seriously believe we are alone in this universe?!?  There is almost a 100% certainty that other life forms exists...  What a shitty example...  Not to mention the fact that you think what smooth said was "magnificent" tells me a lot about you.  Smooth is as far from logical as it gets.  His argument, if you can call it that, is based solely on opinion and emotion...  Wow Rostos.  Really?  Magnificent?  As Mr. John Mcenroe once said, "You can not be serious!"
    Now the award for supreme hypocrisy goes to Mikniks who believes in little green men who have landed on Earth but of course there is no God. Wow. I can't wait to hear you defend this one. Careful Mikniks you will be a theists before you know it. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


    You seriously believe we are alone in this universe?!?  There is almost a 100% certainty that other life forms exists...  What a shitty example...  Not to mention the fact that you think what smooth said was "magnificent" tells me a lot about you.  Smooth is as far from logical as it gets.  His argument, if you can call it that, is based solely on opinion and emotion...  Wow Rostos.  Really?  Magnificent?  As Mr. John Mcenroe once said, "You can not be serious!"
    Now the award for supreme hypocrisy goes to Mikniks who believes in little green men who have landed on Earth but of course there is no God. Wow. I can't wait to hear you defend this one. Careful Mikniks you will be a theists before you know it. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2011 - 4:01 AM ET #2206

    For the record I will say that I do believe correction I know that there is life on other planets. But life on other planets doesn't mean that there is no God. To the contrary it  is more proof and evidence that there is a Divine Intelligence that controls All That There is. But of course you COWARDS would find a way around this and rationalize it away with those pea brains of yours caught up in your own ingeniousness. 
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    For the record I will say that I do believe correction I know that there is life on other planets. But life on other planets doesn't mean that there is no God. To the contrary it  is more proof and evidence that there is a Divine Intelligence that controls All That There is. But of course you COWARDS would find a way around this and rationalize it away with those pea brains of yours caught up in your own ingeniousness. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2011 - 4:02 AM ET #2207

    smoothd you are far dumber than Rostos and SJD, so don't go prancing around on your high horse.

    The idea of something tangible, actual, existing, aliens (NOT LITTLE GREEN MEN), but some form of life from other planets that we have 100% proof of is ridiculous?

    But god. that makes sense. a magic man in the sky who can do anything? yeah okay.
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    smoothd you are far dumber than Rostos and SJD, so don't go prancing around on your high horse.

    The idea of something tangible, actual, existing, aliens (NOT LITTLE GREEN MEN), but some form of life from other planets that we have 100% proof of is ridiculous?

    But god. that makes sense. a magic man in the sky who can do anything? yeah okay.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2011 - 4:02 AM ET #2208

    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    Now the award for supreme hypocrisy goes to Mikniks who believes in little green men who have landed on Earth but of course there is no God. Wow. I can't wait to hear you defend this one. Careful Mikniks you will be a theists before you know it. 

    How stupid are you people?!?  Do you not understand the word "alien"???

    "Alien" means anything not of this world...  Alien bacteria has already been discovered AND THAT IS 100% FACT...  This means it is 100% that we have found alien life...

    The word alien does not mean little green men...  You guys really can't be this stupid...

    Now you can all stop trying to disprove alien life because it is ABSOLUTE FACT that it exists...
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    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    Now the award for supreme hypocrisy goes to Mikniks who believes in little green men who have landed on Earth but of course there is no God. Wow. I can't wait to hear you defend this one. Careful Mikniks you will be a theists before you know it. 

    How stupid are you people?!?  Do you not understand the word "alien"???

    "Alien" means anything not of this world...  Alien bacteria has already been discovered AND THAT IS 100% FACT...  This means it is 100% that we have found alien life...

    The word alien does not mean little green men...  You guys really can't be this stupid...

    Now you can all stop trying to disprove alien life because it is ABSOLUTE FACT that it exists...
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2011 - 4:03 AM ET #2209

    life on other planets has absolutely NO PROBATIVE VALUE on the existence of god one way or other. Keep calling us cowards. Makes you seem much more intelligent. Which one of us is afraid of what happens when we die again?
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    life on other planets has absolutely NO PROBATIVE VALUE on the existence of god one way or other. Keep calling us cowards. Makes you seem much more intelligent. Which one of us is afraid of what happens when we die again?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2011 - 4:04 AM ET #2210

    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    Now the award for supreme hypocrisy goes to Mikniks who believes in little green men who have landed on Earth but of course there is no God. Wow. I can't wait to hear you defend this one. Careful Mikniks you will be a theists before you know it. 

    What...little green men now?...lol

    Why just the other day he was into believing harry porter was real...lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    Now the award for supreme hypocrisy goes to Mikniks who believes in little green men who have landed on Earth but of course there is no God. Wow. I can't wait to hear you defend this one. Careful Mikniks you will be a theists before you know it. 

    What...little green men now?...lol

    Why just the other day he was into believing harry porter was real...lol

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    For the record I will say that I do believe correction I know that there is life on other planets. But life on other planets doesn't mean that there is no God. To the contrary it  is more proof and evidence that there is a Divine Intelligence that controls All That There is. But of course you COWARDS would find a way around this and rationalize it away with those pea brains of yours caught up in your own ingeniousness. 

    If not for SJD you would be the biggest fool of this thread, so congrats.  How can you say atheists are cowards?!?  You think it is easier to be the minority?!?  You think it is courageous to think that when you die you get to be happy for eternity...  The fact that you can't open up your mind makes you the biggest coward of all...
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    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    For the record I will say that I do believe correction I know that there is life on other planets. But life on other planets doesn't mean that there is no God. To the contrary it  is more proof and evidence that there is a Divine Intelligence that controls All That There is. But of course you COWARDS would find a way around this and rationalize it away with those pea brains of yours caught up in your own ingeniousness. 

    If not for SJD you would be the biggest fool of this thread, so congrats.  How can you say atheists are cowards?!?  You think it is easier to be the minority?!?  You think it is courageous to think that when you die you get to be happy for eternity...  The fact that you can't open up your mind makes you the biggest coward of all...
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2011 - 4:09 AM ET #2212

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    What...little green men now?...lol

    Why just the other day he was into believing harry porter was real...lol


    You're at an all time stupid level...  I presented you with ABSOLUTE FACTS and yet you still ignore it because your brain is so incredibly clouded with religious bullshit.  You are insanely stubborn...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    What...little green men now?...lol

    Why just the other day he was into believing harry porter was real...lol


    You're at an all time stupid level...  I presented you with ABSOLUTE FACTS and yet you still ignore it because your brain is so incredibly clouded with religious bullshit.  You are insanely stubborn...
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2011 - 4:11 AM ET #2213

    Rostos makes a great point about why you atheists waste your time trying to convince someone of this lie that you have been holding on to because you have been too weak to face the truth of the matter. Let's get something straight. I have not tried to convert, convince or recruit anybody here to become a Christian. Somebody made that statement in a earlier post. I have no need to do that. I stand on Truth and the Truth will be revealed to your hardened hearts before you leave this planet. If I can be the catalyst for this transformation I would consider it a blessing, but it is up to you to turn away from the lie that is atheism. There is a God, He does love you and he doesn't need your approval or belief to exist. I said earlier that I know for a fact that there is life on other planets. How do I know this? Well I once saw a UFO and I couldn't believe it. I was with another person and we both saw it appear out of thin air and disappear. I couldn't explain it to you on a scientific level just tell you what I saw. What made it more real to me was a couple of other friends saw the same thing on the other side of town at the same time. Now it doesn't matter to me how people explain what we saw. It was this it was that. I know what I saw and I am secure with it. It doesn't threatened me in the least bit. On the contrary it just tells me like the Bible says that everything isn't revealed to us and that there are things that we don't have knowledge of but it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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    Rostos makes a great point about why you atheists waste your time trying to convince someone of this lie that you have been holding on to because you have been too weak to face the truth of the matter. Let's get something straight. I have not tried to convert, convince or recruit anybody here to become a Christian. Somebody made that statement in a earlier post. I have no need to do that. I stand on Truth and the Truth will be revealed to your hardened hearts before you leave this planet. If I can be the catalyst for this transformation I would consider it a blessing, but it is up to you to turn away from the lie that is atheism. There is a God, He does love you and he doesn't need your approval or belief to exist. I said earlier that I know for a fact that there is life on other planets. How do I know this? Well I once saw a UFO and I couldn't believe it. I was with another person and we both saw it appear out of thin air and disappear. I couldn't explain it to you on a scientific level just tell you what I saw. What made it more real to me was a couple of other friends saw the same thing on the other side of town at the same time. Now it doesn't matter to me how people explain what we saw. It was this it was that. I know what I saw and I am secure with it. It doesn't threatened me in the least bit. On the contrary it just tells me like the Bible says that everything isn't revealed to us and that there are things that we don't have knowledge of but it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2011 - 4:13 AM ET #2214

    If the human race was wiped out completely and then humans re-evolved in like 100,000 years, there would be no evidence of jesus, no christianity, none of this. It's entirely possible people would create new religions to believe in, but it wouldn't be christianity. Just food for thought.
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    If the human race was wiped out completely and then humans re-evolved in like 100,000 years, there would be no evidence of jesus, no christianity, none of this. It's entirely possible people would create new religions to believe in, but it wouldn't be christianity. Just food for thought.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    Rostos makes a great point about why you atheists waste your time trying to convince someone of this lie that you have been holding on to because you have been too weak to face the truth of the matter. Let's get something straight. I have not tried to convert, convince or recruit anybody here to become a Christian. Somebody made that statement in a earlier post. I have no need to do that. I stand on Truth and the Truth will be revealed to your hardened hearts before you leave this planet. If I can be the catalyst for this transformation I would consider it a blessing, but it is up to you to turn away from the lie that is atheism. There is a God, He does love you and he doesn't need your approval or belief to exist. I said earlier that I know for a fact that there is life on other planets. How do I know this? Well I once saw a UFO and I couldn't believe it. I was with another person and we both saw it appear out of thin air and disappear. I couldn't explain it to you on a scientific level just tell you what I saw. What made it more real to me was a couple of other friends saw the same thing on the other side of town at the same time. Now it doesn't matter to me how people explain what we saw. It was this it was that. I know what I saw and I am secure with it. It doesn't threatened me in the least bit. On the contrary it just tells me like the Bible says that everything isn't revealed to us and that there are things that we don't have knowledge of but it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

    But it doesn't mean god does exist. If god wants to reveal himself to me then that's awesome and I will admit I was wrong. Until then and absent clear and convincing evidence (or any sufficient evidence for that matter), I have no choice but to not believe because I have a brain and my intellect prevents me from believing in frivolous things. If I were dumber, I would have less arguments and believe that when I die, everything would be happy and that would comfort me. Unfortunately, I am not a moron and I am aware of my own mortality. It does not scare me because there is nothing I can do about it. It applies to everyone. We are all the same in that regard. I see no reason to believe in god and until one presents itself, I will continue to not believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    Rostos makes a great point about why you atheists waste your time trying to convince someone of this lie that you have been holding on to because you have been too weak to face the truth of the matter. Let's get something straight. I have not tried to convert, convince or recruit anybody here to become a Christian. Somebody made that statement in a earlier post. I have no need to do that. I stand on Truth and the Truth will be revealed to your hardened hearts before you leave this planet. If I can be the catalyst for this transformation I would consider it a blessing, but it is up to you to turn away from the lie that is atheism. There is a God, He does love you and he doesn't need your approval or belief to exist. I said earlier that I know for a fact that there is life on other planets. How do I know this? Well I once saw a UFO and I couldn't believe it. I was with another person and we both saw it appear out of thin air and disappear. I couldn't explain it to you on a scientific level just tell you what I saw. What made it more real to me was a couple of other friends saw the same thing on the other side of town at the same time. Now it doesn't matter to me how people explain what we saw. It was this it was that. I know what I saw and I am secure with it. It doesn't threatened me in the least bit. On the contrary it just tells me like the Bible says that everything isn't revealed to us and that there are things that we don't have knowledge of but it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

    But it doesn't mean god does exist. If god wants to reveal himself to me then that's awesome and I will admit I was wrong. Until then and absent clear and convincing evidence (or any sufficient evidence for that matter), I have no choice but to not believe because I have a brain and my intellect prevents me from believing in frivolous things. If I were dumber, I would have less arguments and believe that when I die, everything would be happy and that would comfort me. Unfortunately, I am not a moron and I am aware of my own mortality. It does not scare me because there is nothing I can do about it. It applies to everyone. We are all the same in that regard. I see no reason to believe in god and until one presents itself, I will continue to not believe.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2011 - 4:19 AM ET #2216

    Let me give you an example of your foolishness. I know for a fact that right now we have planes in our military that can fly from New York to LA in less than 30 min. and some of that is prep time. Actual in the air time is about 20-25 min. Now that is Truth. If you choose not to believe or are not privy to the information that I have does that mean those planes don't exist. In other words you belief or lack of belief has nothing to do with that object existing or not. Just because you don't believe doesn't make it non existent. Of course your retort will be just because we believe doesn't make it so and that is correct but if you really felt like something didn't exist you would have no need to continuously debate the issue. Rostos tried to make this point to you guys but your ego wont allow to comprehend this simple statement. 
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    Let me give you an example of your foolishness. I know for a fact that right now we have planes in our military that can fly from New York to LA in less than 30 min. and some of that is prep time. Actual in the air time is about 20-25 min. Now that is Truth. If you choose not to believe or are not privy to the information that I have does that mean those planes don't exist. In other words you belief or lack of belief has nothing to do with that object existing or not. Just because you don't believe doesn't make it non existent. Of course your retort will be just because we believe doesn't make it so and that is correct but if you really felt like something didn't exist you would have no need to continuously debate the issue. Rostos tried to make this point to you guys but your ego wont allow to comprehend this simple statement. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    If the human race was wiped out completely and then humans re-evolved in like 100,000 years, there would be no evidence of jesus, no christianity, none of this. It's entirely possible people would create new religions to believe in, but it wouldn't be christianity. Just food for thought.

    Oh c'mon now kk. Believe me, I'm honestly not giving it any thought whatsoever. Besides....oh never mind...what's the use in saying anything to you or your pal miknik.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    If the human race was wiped out completely and then humans re-evolved in like 100,000 years, there would be no evidence of jesus, no christianity, none of this. It's entirely possible people would create new religions to believe in, but it wouldn't be christianity. Just food for thought.

    Oh c'mon now kk. Believe me, I'm honestly not giving it any thought whatsoever. Besides....oh never mind...what's the use in saying anything to you or your pal miknik.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    Let me give you an example of your foolishness. I know for a fact that right now we have planes in our military that can fly from New York to LA in less than 30 min. and some of that is prep time. Actual in the air time is about 20-25 min. Now that is Truth. If you choose not to believe or are not privy to the information that I have does that mean those planes don't exist. In other words you belief or lack of belief has nothing to do with that object existing or not. Just because you don't believe doesn't make it non existent. Of course your retort will be just because we believe doesn't make it so and that is correct but if you really felt like something didn't exist you would have no need to continuously debate the issue. Rostos tried to make this point to you guys but your ego wont allow to comprehend this simple statement. 

    How is this an outlandish claim??  We have a shuttle that would take about 8 minutes to go from la to ny...
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    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    Let me give you an example of your foolishness. I know for a fact that right now we have planes in our military that can fly from New York to LA in less than 30 min. and some of that is prep time. Actual in the air time is about 20-25 min. Now that is Truth. If you choose not to believe or are not privy to the information that I have does that mean those planes don't exist. In other words you belief or lack of belief has nothing to do with that object existing or not. Just because you don't believe doesn't make it non existent. Of course your retort will be just because we believe doesn't make it so and that is correct but if you really felt like something didn't exist you would have no need to continuously debate the issue. Rostos tried to make this point to you guys but your ego wont allow to comprehend this simple statement. 

    How is this an outlandish claim??  We have a shuttle that would take about 8 minutes to go from la to ny...
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    Oh c'mon now kk. Believe me, I'm honestly not giving it any thought whatsoever. Besides....oh never mind...what's the use in saying anything to you or your pal miknik.


    "I'm honestly not giving it any thought".....  Truer words never spoken...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    Oh c'mon now kk. Believe me, I'm honestly not giving it any thought whatsoever. Besides....oh never mind...what's the use in saying anything to you or your pal miknik.


    "I'm honestly not giving it any thought".....  Truer words never spoken...
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    Let me give you an example of your foolishness. I know for a fact that right now we have planes in our military that can fly from New York to LA in less than 30 min. and some of that is prep time. Actual in the air time is about 20-25 min. Now that is Truth. If you choose not to believe or are not privy to the information that I have does that mean those planes don't exist. In other words you belief or lack of belief has nothing to do with that object existing or not. Just because you don't believe doesn't make it non existent. Of course your retort will be just because we believe doesn't make it so and that is correct but if you really felt like something didn't exist you would have no need to continuously debate the issue. Rostos tried to make this point to you guys but your ego wont allow to comprehend this simple statement. 

    You can't just proclaim something as "Truth" and have it be truth. For something to be "Truth" it actually has to be true. And until it becomes true, it ceases to be "Truth" and dwells in the land of "Speculation." Obviously no human being in existence can say with 100% certainty that god exists. If something is less than 100% certain then I have a right to say it's not truth. Granted if it's close to 100% or in some instances above 50% it is sufficiently believable. Based on my experiences in life and everything I know about the world, religion, science, etc., I consider the odds of a god's existence to be somewhere around .000000001% and therefore, the odds that you have chosen the correct god to believe in is that number divided by the number of religions in the world which is a number so small we can't even comprehend it. And obviously you place the % at a much higher number that a god exists. But even if we use your number, let's say you think there is a 99% chance god exists, you still have to divide your number with the number of religions in the world so the odds of you picking the right god are very small even if we grant the likely the existence of a god.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    Let me give you an example of your foolishness. I know for a fact that right now we have planes in our military that can fly from New York to LA in less than 30 min. and some of that is prep time. Actual in the air time is about 20-25 min. Now that is Truth. If you choose not to believe or are not privy to the information that I have does that mean those planes don't exist. In other words you belief or lack of belief has nothing to do with that object existing or not. Just because you don't believe doesn't make it non existent. Of course your retort will be just because we believe doesn't make it so and that is correct but if you really felt like something didn't exist you would have no need to continuously debate the issue. Rostos tried to make this point to you guys but your ego wont allow to comprehend this simple statement. 

    You can't just proclaim something as "Truth" and have it be truth. For something to be "Truth" it actually has to be true. And until it becomes true, it ceases to be "Truth" and dwells in the land of "Speculation." Obviously no human being in existence can say with 100% certainty that god exists. If something is less than 100% certain then I have a right to say it's not truth. Granted if it's close to 100% or in some instances above 50% it is sufficiently believable. Based on my experiences in life and everything I know about the world, religion, science, etc., I consider the odds of a god's existence to be somewhere around .000000001% and therefore, the odds that you have chosen the correct god to believe in is that number divided by the number of religions in the world which is a number so small we can't even comprehend it. And obviously you place the % at a much higher number that a god exists. But even if we use your number, let's say you think there is a 99% chance god exists, you still have to divide your number with the number of religions in the world so the odds of you picking the right god are very small even if we grant the likely the existence of a god.
     
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    Smooth, you make a crack about me believing in little green men, and then tell us you've seen a UFO?
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    Smooth, you make a crack about me believing in little green men, and then tell us you've seen a UFO?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


    But it doesn't mean god does exist. If god wants to reveal himself to me then that's awesome and I will admit I was wrong. Until then and absent clear and convincing evidence (or any sufficient evidence for that matter), I have no choice but to not believe because I have a brain and my intellect prevents me from believing in frivolous things. If I were dumber, I would have less arguments and believe that when I die, everything would be happy and that would comfort me. Unfortunately, I am not a moron and I am aware of my own mortality. It does not scare me because there is nothing I can do about it. It applies to everyone. We are all the same in that regard. I see no reason to believe in god and until one presents itself, I will continue to not believe.
    It is not moronic to believe in a higher power but it is moronic to believe that this all some accident or some scientific freak show. The Universe is far more complex than you realize. Also God reveals himself/herself to you everyday but you don't have eyes to see because you're caught up in your own ego and your carnal mind. Your carnal mind wants God to materialize and come introduce himself to you. Why does God need to that for YOU. You are his creation. He doesn't need to prove anything to you. You are here to prove to him and to be reminded of that which you really are. The problem with atheists is you guys have committed a lobotomy of the spirit. You deny everything that is unseen and that is the real world. Before anything becomes materialized it all starts with a thought. That thought is like an unborn child. The thought is born when it takes material form. That is Universal Law. But you're so caught up with yourselves and  your ego that you have ignored the most powerful tool in the Universe. Those tools are your spirit and your mind. Learn to think on a different level. Learn to think on a cosmic level. That is where God will meet you. In depths of your spirit, your heart and your soul. God loves you and wants to be in your life. Not just as some sort of hell and damnation but as a Father to a child to guide you and give you wisdom. Oh yes God is real and he is in each and every one of us but he isn't pushy. He knocks oh so gently. He is persistent and he is there waiting patiently for you to wake up and start your journey home. You don't have to die to go to heaven. Jesus said the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand. God loves you. Put aside your ego and trust in your inner heart. That deep voice that speaks to you. The reason you come on this thread day after day seeking answers. I know its rough. Questioning is there a God. How come this?  How come that? God gave us free will but he has Universal Law/Cause and Effect/Karma. As a man soweth so shall he reap. This is his equalizer. Universal Law is the stable force of the Universe. This is why true evil is dealt with on this level. God loves you and wants you to turn to him. Put aside your atheist thoughts for just a moment and reach out to him in your own way. Don't take my word for it. Reach out and ask for God to show you a sign. I guarantee if you come to God with a pure heart and ask him to reveal himself to you he will. He will reveal himself to you in a way that is personal to you and only you would understand. That is how God operates. He wont be on CNN, FOX or MSNBC. But he will reveal himself to you if truly ask him to. If you have the courage of your conviction I invite you to do that. You don't have to tell us what happened but you will see a slow change in your life and your thoughts will turn to him. Instead of rejecting God he will turn you into a soldier for him. God bless and may you find the peace that you seek in the ONE that created us all. Amen
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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


    But it doesn't mean god does exist. If god wants to reveal himself to me then that's awesome and I will admit I was wrong. Until then and absent clear and convincing evidence (or any sufficient evidence for that matter), I have no choice but to not believe because I have a brain and my intellect prevents me from believing in frivolous things. If I were dumber, I would have less arguments and believe that when I die, everything would be happy and that would comfort me. Unfortunately, I am not a moron and I am aware of my own mortality. It does not scare me because there is nothing I can do about it. It applies to everyone. We are all the same in that regard. I see no reason to believe in god and until one presents itself, I will continue to not believe.
    It is not moronic to believe in a higher power but it is moronic to believe that this all some accident or some scientific freak show. The Universe is far more complex than you realize. Also God reveals himself/herself to you everyday but you don't have eyes to see because you're caught up in your own ego and your carnal mind. Your carnal mind wants God to materialize and come introduce himself to you. Why does God need to that for YOU. You are his creation. He doesn't need to prove anything to you. You are here to prove to him and to be reminded of that which you really are. The problem with atheists is you guys have committed a lobotomy of the spirit. You deny everything that is unseen and that is the real world. Before anything becomes materialized it all starts with a thought. That thought is like an unborn child. The thought is born when it takes material form. That is Universal Law. But you're so caught up with yourselves and  your ego that you have ignored the most powerful tool in the Universe. Those tools are your spirit and your mind. Learn to think on a different level. Learn to think on a cosmic level. That is where God will meet you. In depths of your spirit, your heart and your soul. God loves you and wants to be in your life. Not just as some sort of hell and damnation but as a Father to a child to guide you and give you wisdom. Oh yes God is real and he is in each and every one of us but he isn't pushy. He knocks oh so gently. He is persistent and he is there waiting patiently for you to wake up and start your journey home. You don't have to die to go to heaven. Jesus said the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand. God loves you. Put aside your ego and trust in your inner heart. That deep voice that speaks to you. The reason you come on this thread day after day seeking answers. I know its rough. Questioning is there a God. How come this?  How come that? God gave us free will but he has Universal Law/Cause and Effect/Karma. As a man soweth so shall he reap. This is his equalizer. Universal Law is the stable force of the Universe. This is why true evil is dealt with on this level. God loves you and wants you to turn to him. Put aside your atheist thoughts for just a moment and reach out to him in your own way. Don't take my word for it. Reach out and ask for God to show you a sign. I guarantee if you come to God with a pure heart and ask him to reveal himself to you he will. He will reveal himself to you in a way that is personal to you and only you would understand. That is how God operates. He wont be on CNN, FOX or MSNBC. But he will reveal himself to you if truly ask him to. If you have the courage of your conviction I invite you to do that. You don't have to tell us what happened but you will see a slow change in your life and your thoughts will turn to him. Instead of rejecting God he will turn you into a soldier for him. God bless and may you find the peace that you seek in the ONE that created us all. Amen
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


    You can't just proclaim something as "Truth" and have it be truth. For something to be "Truth" it actually has to be true. And until it becomes true, it ceases to be "Truth" and dwells in the land of "Speculation." Obviously no human being in existence can say with 100% certainty that god exists. If something is less than 100% certain then I have a right to say it's not truth. Granted if it's close to 100% or in some instances above 50% it is sufficiently believable. Based on my experiences in life and everything I know about the world, religion, science, etc., I consider the odds of a god's existence to be somewhere around .000000001% and therefore, the odds that you have chosen the correct god to believe in is that number divided by the number of religions in the world which is a number so small we can't even comprehend it. And obviously you place the % at a much higher number that a god exists. But even if we use your number, let's say you think there is a 99% chance god exists, you still have to divide your number with the number of religions in the world so the odds of you picking the right god are very small even if we grant the likely the existence of a god.
    Man has killed more people in the name of Religion or God than any other cause. I am not caught up in man's religion nor do I say that there is only one right religion. God reaches us at our own level and they may take several forms. No God isn't a religion. God is. And once again you seem to be stuck on this if there isn't any evidence or proof crap. Get off that. This is spiritual and it's beyond evidence and proof. What do I mean by that? It's called faith and if you would put your Ego aside which huge by the way and realize that YOU don't have all the answers and since YOU don't have all the answers. YOU should seek wisdom. Wisdom isn't something you read in a book. Wisdom is discernment especially spiritual discernment. You can be book smart and street dumb. You can be street smart and have no wisdom. My take on you friend is that you seem to have average intelligence but you're not a wise man. Your ego is too big for you to be wise. Your spirit isn't humble. So I advise you to seek the ONE that can guide you in these matters. No doubt this will be hard for you and you will spend the rest of your days on this planet debating with theists that there is no God but yet you waste your precious time arguing about something that you will never win. You want to win and I understand that but you can't win this. Because no matter what you say or what scientific evidence you have or don't have. No matter how you twist it turn it or skip over it. It don't change a thing God is,was and will always be long after you and I and every pathetic person on this planet is long gone. You need to understand that friend. You're fighting a battle that you will NEVER win. This is why I call atheist cowards because instead of dealing with the reality of the situation. You guys are sitting on the sidelines denying the whole reason we're here. That's the worst possible position to be in because you're accomplishing absolutely nothing in your spiritual life and that is why we're here friend. We're here to grow spiritually.
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    You can't just proclaim something as "Truth" and have it be truth. For something to be "Truth" it actually has to be true. And until it becomes true, it ceases to be "Truth" and dwells in the land of "Speculation." Obviously no human being in existence can say with 100% certainty that god exists. If something is less than 100% certain then I have a right to say it's not truth. Granted if it's close to 100% or in some instances above 50% it is sufficiently believable. Based on my experiences in life and everything I know about the world, religion, science, etc., I consider the odds of a god's existence to be somewhere around .000000001% and therefore, the odds that you have chosen the correct god to believe in is that number divided by the number of religions in the world which is a number so small we can't even comprehend it. And obviously you place the % at a much higher number that a god exists. But even if we use your number, let's say you think there is a 99% chance god exists, you still have to divide your number with the number of religions in the world so the odds of you picking the right god are very small even if we grant the likely the existence of a god.
    Man has killed more people in the name of Religion or God than any other cause. I am not caught up in man's religion nor do I say that there is only one right religion. God reaches us at our own level and they may take several forms. No God isn't a religion. God is. And once again you seem to be stuck on this if there isn't any evidence or proof crap. Get off that. This is spiritual and it's beyond evidence and proof. What do I mean by that? It's called faith and if you would put your Ego aside which huge by the way and realize that YOU don't have all the answers and since YOU don't have all the answers. YOU should seek wisdom. Wisdom isn't something you read in a book. Wisdom is discernment especially spiritual discernment. You can be book smart and street dumb. You can be street smart and have no wisdom. My take on you friend is that you seem to have average intelligence but you're not a wise man. Your ego is too big for you to be wise. Your spirit isn't humble. So I advise you to seek the ONE that can guide you in these matters. No doubt this will be hard for you and you will spend the rest of your days on this planet debating with theists that there is no God but yet you waste your precious time arguing about something that you will never win. You want to win and I understand that but you can't win this. Because no matter what you say or what scientific evidence you have or don't have. No matter how you twist it turn it or skip over it. It don't change a thing God is,was and will always be long after you and I and every pathetic person on this planet is long gone. You need to understand that friend. You're fighting a battle that you will NEVER win. This is why I call atheist cowards because instead of dealing with the reality of the situation. You guys are sitting on the sidelines denying the whole reason we're here. That's the worst possible position to be in because you're accomplishing absolutely nothing in your spiritual life and that is why we're here friend. We're here to grow spiritually.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    If the human race was wiped out completely and then humans re-evolved in like 100,000 years, there would be no evidence of jesus, no christianity, none of this. It's entirely possible people would create new religions to believe in, but it wouldn't be christianity. Just food for thought.
    Actually Kittykatz this is probably the only valid point you have made since I have been reading this thread. I agree. It wouldn't necessarily be Christianity as we know it. But it would still be centered on God. Remember God is a God of all things and different culture had different names for him. Now we're not referring to idols and things of that nature but history is full of the different names given to God. We could also bring in Alien life forms since that was touched on. Obviously if the people from  Planet X landed. They may not be traditional Christians so to speak but they would also have a belief in God. This is inescapable. God is THE ALL THAT THERE IS. The Alpha and the Omega. That's why it's truth. Truth is eternal. It doesn't matter whether you accept it or not. If just is and it doesn't need our approval or disapproval to exist or not to exist.
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    If the human race was wiped out completely and then humans re-evolved in like 100,000 years, there would be no evidence of jesus, no christianity, none of this. It's entirely possible people would create new religions to believe in, but it wouldn't be christianity. Just food for thought.
    Actually Kittykatz this is probably the only valid point you have made since I have been reading this thread. I agree. It wouldn't necessarily be Christianity as we know it. But it would still be centered on God. Remember God is a God of all things and different culture had different names for him. Now we're not referring to idols and things of that nature but history is full of the different names given to God. We could also bring in Alien life forms since that was touched on. Obviously if the people from  Planet X landed. They may not be traditional Christians so to speak but they would also have a belief in God. This is inescapable. God is THE ALL THAT THERE IS. The Alpha and the Omega. That's why it's truth. Truth is eternal. It doesn't matter whether you accept it or not. If just is and it doesn't need our approval or disapproval to exist or not to exist.
     
     
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    smoothd - once again your ENTIRE ARGUMENT is centered upon OPINION. you tell me I shouldn't search for evidence? you tell me I should have "faith" but you can't give me a reason why. A lobotomy of the spirit? What spirit? There is no such thing as a spirit? You are making unsubstantiated claims and that has no place in an intellectual debate. I ask why god has to reveal himself to me because I'm allowed to ask that. If you want me to believe something, it would be in your best interest to show me. If you can't show me, then I should naturally believe you are lying. You say god doesn't have to do that because we are his creation. Well if I am right, we are not his creation so sentences like that contribute nothing to the discussion.

    From now on, in all of your posts, I will quote them and remove everything you say that isn't grounded in FACT and completely disregard it. You cannot make arguments grounded in pure opinion and expect me to give them any weight. You cannot talk about spirit or spirituality AT ALL because those things don't exist.
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    smoothd - once again your ENTIRE ARGUMENT is centered upon OPINION. you tell me I shouldn't search for evidence? you tell me I should have "faith" but you can't give me a reason why. A lobotomy of the spirit? What spirit? There is no such thing as a spirit? You are making unsubstantiated claims and that has no place in an intellectual debate. I ask why god has to reveal himself to me because I'm allowed to ask that. If you want me to believe something, it would be in your best interest to show me. If you can't show me, then I should naturally believe you are lying. You say god doesn't have to do that because we are his creation. Well if I am right, we are not his creation so sentences like that contribute nothing to the discussion.

    From now on, in all of your posts, I will quote them and remove everything you say that isn't grounded in FACT and completely disregard it. You cannot make arguments grounded in pure opinion and expect me to give them any weight. You cannot talk about spirit or spirituality AT ALL because those things don't exist.
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