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    If Christ died on the cross for all of humanity

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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2011 - 10:11 PM ET #1701

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


    All I'm saying is I don't know the actual answer, but at this point in time, with the evidence at hand, I am ruling out god.  There is no evidence of your story, so for now it can be ruled out.  Understand yet??  I don't need to provide you an answer to rule out your story.  There is no evidence, so it should be ruled out.

    You dont dont know the answer but its not God?

    So God is NOT an option, can you prove that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


    All I'm saying is I don't know the actual answer, but at this point in time, with the evidence at hand, I am ruling out god.  There is no evidence of your story, so for now it can be ruled out.  Understand yet??  I don't need to provide you an answer to rule out your story.  There is no evidence, so it should be ruled out.

    You dont dont know the answer but its not God?

    So God is NOT an option, can you prove that?

     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2011 - 10:22 PM ET #1702

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    You dont dont know the answer but its not God?

    So God is NOT an option, can you prove that?


    Yes Rostos, RIGHT NOW the answer is not god because there is no evidence RIGHT NOW that their is a god.

    And I don't have to prove that god is not an option.  The burden of proof is on you because YOU are presenting god as an option, therefore YOU must prove that option...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    You dont dont know the answer but its not God?

    So God is NOT an option, can you prove that?


    Yes Rostos, RIGHT NOW the answer is not god because there is no evidence RIGHT NOW that their is a god.

    And I don't have to prove that god is not an option.  The burden of proof is on you because YOU are presenting god as an option, therefore YOU must prove that option...
     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2011 - 10:23 PM ET #1703

    Pet peeve of mine: I used their instead of there...  Just wanted to fix that lol
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    Pet peeve of mine: I used their instead of there...  Just wanted to fix that lol
     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2011 - 10:24 PM ET #1704

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:



    Atheism is not a belief...

    The buddhist religion is a form of atheism, they don't believe in God....I rest my case!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:



    Atheism is not a belief...

    The buddhist religion is a form of atheism, they don't believe in God....I rest my case!

     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2011 - 10:24 PM ET #1705

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


    Yes Rostos, RIGHT NOW the answer is not god because there is no evidence RIGHT NOW that their is a god.

    And I don't have to prove that god is not an option.  The burden of proof is on you because YOU are presenting god as an option, therefore YOU must prove that option...

    Do you have proof God does not exist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


    Yes Rostos, RIGHT NOW the answer is not god because there is no evidence RIGHT NOW that their is a god.

    And I don't have to prove that god is not an option.  The burden of proof is on you because YOU are presenting god as an option, therefore YOU must prove that option...

    Do you have proof God does not exist?

     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2011 - 10:31 PM ET #1706

    Another 1700 posts, I look at one page of 6 and it's still like talking to a wall lmao...good luck gentlemen of intellect
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    Another 1700 posts, I look at one page of 6 and it's still like talking to a wall lmao...good luck gentlemen of intellect
     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2011 - 10:36 PM ET #1707

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    Another 1700 posts, I look at one page of 6 and it's still like talking to a wall lmao...good luck gentlemen of intellect

    Sorry that we are all intellectually inferior to you

    KttyKatz

    "Something can come from nothing"

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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    Another 1700 posts, I look at one page of 6 and it's still like talking to a wall lmao...good luck gentlemen of intellect

    Sorry that we are all intellectually inferior to you

    KttyKatz

    "Something can come from nothing"

     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2011 - 10:40 PM ET #1708

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Sorry that we are all intellectually inferior to you

    KttyKatz

    "Something can come from nothing"


    Case and Point...like talking to a wall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Sorry that we are all intellectually inferior to you

    KttyKatz

    "Something can come from nothing"


    Case and Point...like talking to a wall.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2011 - 10:57 PM ET #1709

    Quote Originally Posted by jagerfury:

    With only the certitude one would expect from a good christian on a gambling/soft porn site...

    A good Christian, such as I, is only doing what Jesus Christ told His disciples to do which is to spread the Gospel (Good News) to everyone.

    So why not here on a site where most are non-believers such as yourself. When Jesus was in the company of disreputable sinners, the Pharisees couldn't understand this. Below is the passage in the bible that explains why Jesus was in their company.

    As Jesus was walking along, He saw a man named Matthew sitting at his tax collector's booth. "Follow me and be my disciple," Jesus said to him. So Matthew got up and followed him. Later, Matthew invited Jesus and his disciples to his home as dinner guests, along with many tax collectors and other disreputable sinners. But when the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, "Why does your teacher eat with such scum?" When Jesus heard this, He said, "Healthy people don't need a doctor---sick people do." Then He added. "Now go and learn the meaning of this Scripture: I want you to show mercy, not offer sacrifices. For I have come to call not those who think they are righteous, but those who know they are sinners."---Matthew 9:9-13

    So you see, people like you who represent the majority on this site who are non-believers need someone like me (a doctor) to give them the Good News (the Gospel) so sinners like you can become well again. I mean why would I go to a site where everybody is healthy?... they surely don't need a doctor.

    This should thoroughly explain why I post on this site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jagerfury:

    With only the certitude one would expect from a good christian on a gambling/soft porn site...

    A good Christian, such as I, is only doing what Jesus Christ told His disciples to do which is to spread the Gospel (Good News) to everyone.

    So why not here on a site where most are non-believers such as yourself. When Jesus was in the company of disreputable sinners, the Pharisees couldn't understand this. Below is the passage in the bible that explains why Jesus was in their company.

    As Jesus was walking along, He saw a man named Matthew sitting at his tax collector's booth. "Follow me and be my disciple," Jesus said to him. So Matthew got up and followed him. Later, Matthew invited Jesus and his disciples to his home as dinner guests, along with many tax collectors and other disreputable sinners. But when the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, "Why does your teacher eat with such scum?" When Jesus heard this, He said, "Healthy people don't need a doctor---sick people do." Then He added. "Now go and learn the meaning of this Scripture: I want you to show mercy, not offer sacrifices. For I have come to call not those who think they are righteous, but those who know they are sinners."---Matthew 9:9-13

    So you see, people like you who represent the majority on this site who are non-believers need someone like me (a doctor) to give them the Good News (the Gospel) so sinners like you can become well again. I mean why would I go to a site where everybody is healthy?... they surely don't need a doctor.

    This should thoroughly explain why I post on this site.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2011 - 11:00 PM ET #1710

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    Another 1700 posts, I look at one page of 6 and it's still like talking to a wall lmao...good luck gentlemen of intellect

    KK where have you been? Nice of you to popped into existence again on this thread!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    Another 1700 posts, I look at one page of 6 and it's still like talking to a wall lmao...good luck gentlemen of intellect

    KK where have you been? Nice of you to popped into existence again on this thread!

     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2011 - 11:03 PM ET #1711

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    KK where have you been? Nice of you to popped into existence again on this thread!

    From nothing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    KK where have you been? Nice of you to popped into existence again on this thread!

    From nothing?

     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2011 - 11:11 PM ET #1712

    I choose to be a casual observer these days. And I've been quite busy with school so I just don't have the desire to conjure up intelligent and lengthy comments these days.
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    I choose to be a casual observer these days. And I've been quite busy with school so I just don't have the desire to conjure up intelligent and lengthy comments these days.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2011 - 11:11 PM ET #1713

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Sorry that we are all intellectually inferior to you

    KttyKatz

    "Something can come from nothing"

    No!!...did kk really say that...oh my dear!

    Well maybe he's back to tell us that he no longer believes that "something can come from nothing"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Sorry that we are all intellectually inferior to you

    KttyKatz

    "Something can come from nothing"

    No!!...did kk really say that...oh my dear!

    Well maybe he's back to tell us that he no longer believes that "something can come from nothing"

     
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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2011 - 12:06 AM ET #1714

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Space, matter, time and energy are all that is part of the universe. These componants, space, time, energy and matter all BEGAN to exist.

    Prior to this, there was no space, time, matter and energy.

    There was NOTHING, no universe, nothing.



    Begging the question (or petitio principii, "assuming the initial point") is a type of logical fallacy in which the proposition to be proven is assumed implicitly or explicitly in the premise.

    You're taking for granted a principle that is still not known for certain. This is not a "fact" that you can use as a premise of an argument because it has never been (and may never be) proven, so your hypothetical question is irrelevant in this regard (although I'd argue it is irrelevant anyway). What you have failed to understand through all of this, amongst other things, is that to a sane, logical human being, your idea that there is a magical being who created the universe is ludicrous.

    Think about the scientific world for a second: when a scientist makes an outrageous claim, what do you think happens? Do you think: (A) The other scientists dismiss him as a maniac unless he shows some real proof, or (B) The other scientists rush out to conduct millions of tests to show why he's wrong? The answer obviously is (A), and you consistently ask for (B) behavior. I'm trying once again to explain the Celestial Teapot ANALOGY, although you'll probably tell me that it's testable to find a teapot the size of an atom somewhere in the universe anyway and once again miss the point of the ANALOGY.

    I can't prove a god doesn't exist, but you definitely can't prove he exists either. This axiom applies for unicorns, ghosts, fairies, Santa Claus, Harry Potter, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, etc. So why is it that all of these examples are ridiculous to you when the idea of a god is not? Because a book told you? Harry Potter has seven of them. Because your parents told you? They also told you Santa Claus was coming to visit every Christmas Eve. You don't have a valid reason to believe in god and not in the other mystical beings. Until you show me otherwise, you need to stop arguing semantics and start showing me some facts because, quite frankly, you and SirJohnDrake are making yourselves look very bad by doing so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Space, matter, time and energy are all that is part of the universe. These componants, space, time, energy and matter all BEGAN to exist.

    Prior to this, there was no space, time, matter and energy.

    There was NOTHING, no universe, nothing.



    Begging the question (or petitio principii, "assuming the initial point") is a type of logical fallacy in which the proposition to be proven is assumed implicitly or explicitly in the premise.

    You're taking for granted a principle that is still not known for certain. This is not a "fact" that you can use as a premise of an argument because it has never been (and may never be) proven, so your hypothetical question is irrelevant in this regard (although I'd argue it is irrelevant anyway). What you have failed to understand through all of this, amongst other things, is that to a sane, logical human being, your idea that there is a magical being who created the universe is ludicrous.

    Think about the scientific world for a second: when a scientist makes an outrageous claim, what do you think happens? Do you think: (A) The other scientists dismiss him as a maniac unless he shows some real proof, or (B) The other scientists rush out to conduct millions of tests to show why he's wrong? The answer obviously is (A), and you consistently ask for (B) behavior. I'm trying once again to explain the Celestial Teapot ANALOGY, although you'll probably tell me that it's testable to find a teapot the size of an atom somewhere in the universe anyway and once again miss the point of the ANALOGY.

    I can't prove a god doesn't exist, but you definitely can't prove he exists either. This axiom applies for unicorns, ghosts, fairies, Santa Claus, Harry Potter, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, etc. So why is it that all of these examples are ridiculous to you when the idea of a god is not? Because a book told you? Harry Potter has seven of them. Because your parents told you? They also told you Santa Claus was coming to visit every Christmas Eve. You don't have a valid reason to believe in god and not in the other mystical beings. Until you show me otherwise, you need to stop arguing semantics and start showing me some facts because, quite frankly, you and SirJohnDrake are making yourselves look very bad by doing so.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2011 - 12:33 AM ET #1715

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Do you have proof God does not exist?


    I don't have to prove that he does not exist!!  You have to proof he does!!!  You're the one saying there is a god so prove it!!  If I tell you a story and tell you it's true, I don't then say, "Now disprove my story that has no evidence."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Do you have proof God does not exist?


    I don't have to prove that he does not exist!!  You have to proof he does!!!  You're the one saying there is a god so prove it!!  If I tell you a story and tell you it's true, I don't then say, "Now disprove my story that has no evidence."
     
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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2011 - 12:48 AM ET #1716

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


    I don't have to prove that he does not exist!!  You have to proof he does!!!  You're the one saying there is a god so prove it!!  If I tell you a story and tell you it's true, I don't then say, "Now disprove my story that has no evidence."

    No, you have to prove that He doesn't exist because if He does exist, you will go to hell for rejecting His only begotten Son Jesus Christ our Lord Savior while we believers will go to heaven for accepting Jesus Christ as our Lord Savior.

    And at Judgment Day you can't tell Him you believed in Him and lie to Him because He is omniscient which means He has infinite knowledge and knows who are the believers and who are the non-believers and besides He can come to this thread and point out all the posts you made claiming you don't believe in Him.

    You got your work cut for you son!

    So what evidence do you have that He doesn't exist?

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


    I don't have to prove that he does not exist!!  You have to proof he does!!!  You're the one saying there is a god so prove it!!  If I tell you a story and tell you it's true, I don't then say, "Now disprove my story that has no evidence."

    No, you have to prove that He doesn't exist because if He does exist, you will go to hell for rejecting His only begotten Son Jesus Christ our Lord Savior while we believers will go to heaven for accepting Jesus Christ as our Lord Savior.

    And at Judgment Day you can't tell Him you believed in Him and lie to Him because He is omniscient which means He has infinite knowledge and knows who are the believers and who are the non-believers and besides He can come to this thread and point out all the posts you made claiming you don't believe in Him.

    You got your work cut for you son!

    So what evidence do you have that He doesn't exist?

     

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2011 - 1:04 AM ET #1717

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    No, you have to prove that He doesn't exist because if He does exist, you will go to hell for rejecting His only begotten Son Jesus Christ our Lord Savior while we believers will go to heaven for accepting Jesus Christ as our Lord Savior.


    Translation: You have to prove me wrong because if I'm right then you're wrong and I'll be right.

    I enjoy putting statements like this in simpler terms because it makes you look THAT much dumber




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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    No, you have to prove that He doesn't exist because if He does exist, you will go to hell for rejecting His only begotten Son Jesus Christ our Lord Savior while we believers will go to heaven for accepting Jesus Christ as our Lord Savior.


    Translation: You have to prove me wrong because if I'm right then you're wrong and I'll be right.

    I enjoy putting statements like this in simpler terms because it makes you look THAT much dumber




     
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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2011 - 1:07 AM ET #1718

    And although I'm not sure JohnDrake is intelligent enough to see this, but Mikniks could say (using the very logic you described):

    You have to prove ME wrong, because if there is no God you'll have wasted your entire life studying a fairy tale and I and other nonbelievers will have put our time to better use.

    You don't like it, do you?


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    And although I'm not sure JohnDrake is intelligent enough to see this, but Mikniks could say (using the very logic you described):

    You have to prove ME wrong, because if there is no God you'll have wasted your entire life studying a fairy tale and I and other nonbelievers will have put our time to better use.

    You don't like it, do you?


     
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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2011 - 1:12 AM ET #1719

    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarbear19:


    Translation: You have to prove me wrong because if I'm right then you're wrong and I'll be right.

    I enjoy putting statements like this in simpler terms because it makes you look THAT much dumber




    Did you find what I said was too complex for you to understand at first?...lol

    At least I typed it out so you could take your time in deciphering what I said. Believe me it was not a coded message...lol

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarbear19:


    Translation: You have to prove me wrong because if I'm right then you're wrong and I'll be right.

    I enjoy putting statements like this in simpler terms because it makes you look THAT much dumber




    Did you find what I said was too complex for you to understand at first?...lol

    At least I typed it out so you could take your time in deciphering what I said. Believe me it was not a coded message...lol

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2011 - 1:16 AM ET #1720

    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarbear19:

    And although I'm not sure JohnDrake is intelligent enough to see this, but Mikniks could say (using the very logic you described):

    You have to prove ME wrong, because if there is no God you'll have wasted your entire life studying a fairy tale and I and other nonbelievers will have put our time to better use.

    You don't like it, do you?


    But if there is no God then how will anybody know anything after they die?...lol

    How would I be able to look back and say oh why did I waste my time for nothing?...lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarbear19:

    And although I'm not sure JohnDrake is intelligent enough to see this, but Mikniks could say (using the very logic you described):

    You have to prove ME wrong, because if there is no God you'll have wasted your entire life studying a fairy tale and I and other nonbelievers will have put our time to better use.

    You don't like it, do you?


    But if there is no God then how will anybody know anything after they die?...lol

    How would I be able to look back and say oh why did I waste my time for nothing?...lol

     
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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2011 - 1:22 AM ET #1721

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    But if there is no God then how will anybody know anything after they die?...lol

    How would I be able to look back and say oh why did I waste my time for nothing?...lol


    You wouldn't...your point?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    But if there is no God then how will anybody know anything after they die?...lol

    How would I be able to look back and say oh why did I waste my time for nothing?...lol


    You wouldn't...your point?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2011 - 1:26 AM ET #1722

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    Did you find what I said was too complex for you to understand at first?...lol



    Obviously it was too complex for YOU to understand because you still don't see the error. You simply incurred (after your worthless "tautology," a word I know you'll have to look up) Pascal's Gambit, which has been refuted several times over the years since Blaise Pascal first introduced it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    Did you find what I said was too complex for you to understand at first?...lol



    Obviously it was too complex for YOU to understand because you still don't see the error. You simply incurred (after your worthless "tautology," a word I know you'll have to look up) Pascal's Gambit, which has been refuted several times over the years since Blaise Pascal first introduced it.


     
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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2011 - 1:28 AM ET #1723

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    No, you have to prove that He doesn't exist because if He does exist, you will go to hell for rejecting His only begotten Son Jesus Christ our Lord Savior while we believers will go to heaven for accepting Jesus Christ as our Lord Savior.

    And at Judgment Day you can't tell Him you believed in Him and lie to Him because He is omniscient which means He has infinite knowledge and knows who are the believers and who are the non-believers and besides He can come to this thread and point out all the posts you made claiming you don't believe in Him.

    You got your work cut for you son!

    So what evidence do you have that He doesn't exist?

     

     


    Why dont you understand that you cant just make shit up and tell people to prove you wrong??
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    No, you have to prove that He doesn't exist because if He does exist, you will go to hell for rejecting His only begotten Son Jesus Christ our Lord Savior while we believers will go to heaven for accepting Jesus Christ as our Lord Savior.

    And at Judgment Day you can't tell Him you believed in Him and lie to Him because He is omniscient which means He has infinite knowledge and knows who are the believers and who are the non-believers and besides He can come to this thread and point out all the posts you made claiming you don't believe in Him.

    You got your work cut for you son!

    So what evidence do you have that He doesn't exist?

     

     


    Why dont you understand that you cant just make shit up and tell people to prove you wrong??
     
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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2011 - 1:33 AM ET #1724

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    How would I be able to look back and say oh why did I waste my time for nothing?...lol



    I'll try again, although I can see this probably isn't going anywhere because your capacity to learn is minimal.

    Let's say you can either fly on Plane A or Plane B. It has already been determined one of them is going to blow up and you are going to die. Let's say you then choose Plane A, and unfortunately you blow up and die.

    Although you can't look back on the choice and say "I was wrong," the fact is that, undeniably, you chose the wrong plane. Not even YOU could argue that it's in any way relevant that you can't look back on your decision: you were still wrong either way.

    Now you can continue with your irrelevant points and fallacy-laden arguments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    How would I be able to look back and say oh why did I waste my time for nothing?...lol



    I'll try again, although I can see this probably isn't going anywhere because your capacity to learn is minimal.

    Let's say you can either fly on Plane A or Plane B. It has already been determined one of them is going to blow up and you are going to die. Let's say you then choose Plane A, and unfortunately you blow up and die.

    Although you can't look back on the choice and say "I was wrong," the fact is that, undeniably, you chose the wrong plane. Not even YOU could argue that it's in any way relevant that you can't look back on your decision: you were still wrong either way.

    Now you can continue with your irrelevant points and fallacy-laden arguments.
     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2011 - 1:34 AM ET #1725

    If i tell you something is true, it is my job to provide at least a shred of evidence backing my claim...  Why are you so stubborn?
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    If i tell you something is true, it is my job to provide at least a shred of evidence backing my claim...  Why are you so stubborn?
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