The majority of cosmologists and physicists AGREE the universe began to exist.
The second law of thermodynamics also backs this claim up.
This points to a beginning of a universe....
"With the proof now in place, cosmologists can no longer hide behind the possibility of a past-eternal universe. There is no escape: they have to face the problem of a cosmic beginning."
- Alexander Vilenkin
Atheists can no longer hide behind a eternal past universe. Eisnteins special relativity also confirms the universe began to exist.
I just sit back here and laugh at the atheists who have no where to go and cornered into a wall since this discovery.
Again, no where have i said this discovery in isolation proves the Christian God. However it certainly renders atheism false unless you want to believe things can pop into existence uncaused like KK seems to think.
Then you go on and commit a fallacy of equivocation by comparing God to santa, etc etc....Not only have you commited this fallacy but you have also compared something that is testable to something that is not...
You are embarrassing your atheist friends...
The majority of cosmologists and physicists AGREE the universe began to exist.
The second law of thermodynamics also backs this claim up.
This points to a beginning of a universe....
"With the proof now in place, cosmologists can no longer hide behind the possibility of a past-eternal universe. There is no escape: they have to face the problem of a cosmic beginning."
- Alexander Vilenkin
Atheists can no longer hide behind a eternal past universe. Eisnteins special relativity also confirms the universe began to exist.
I just sit back here and laugh at the atheists who have no where to go and cornered into a wall since this discovery.
Again, no where have i said this discovery in isolation proves the Christian God. However it certainly renders atheism false unless you want to believe things can pop into existence uncaused like KK seems to think.
Then you go on and commit a fallacy of equivocation by comparing God to santa, etc etc....Not only have you commited this fallacy but you have also compared something that is testable to something that is not...
You are embarrassing your atheist friends...
I didn't make anything up. The first book in the Holy Bible was written close to 3,400 years ago by Moses who was inspired by God to write it. The Holy Bible is the word of God and I believe it.
I would like to add that I am only one of a little over 2 billion Christians today who believe in God.
If you don't want to believe...well fine, move on then, don't come to this thread because I notice you and your buddies always seem to be in a foul mood.
All the cussing and put downs shows frustration. You don't see Rostos or I getting frustrated. We are Christians who believe in Almighty God!
You all get angry because you just hate that hell deal...well sorry I didn't make that up. The Holy Bible which is God's Word is telling us that.
I didn't make anything up. The first book in the Holy Bible was written close to 3,400 years ago by Moses who was inspired by God to write it. The Holy Bible is the word of God and I believe it.
I would like to add that I am only one of a little over 2 billion Christians today who believe in God.
If you don't want to believe...well fine, move on then, don't come to this thread because I notice you and your buddies always seem to be in a foul mood.
All the cussing and put downs shows frustration. You don't see Rostos or I getting frustrated. We are Christians who believe in Almighty God!
You all get angry because you just hate that hell deal...well sorry I didn't make that up. The Holy Bible which is God's Word is telling us that.
But if there is no God then how will anybody know anything after they die?...lol
How would I be able to look back and say oh why did I waste my time for nothing?...lol
When he dies and if there is no God, how is he going to know he is right?
However, if he is wrong.........
But if there is no God then how will anybody know anything after they die?...lol
How would I be able to look back and say oh why did I waste my time for nothing?...lol
When he dies and if there is no God, how is he going to know he is right?
However, if he is wrong.........
I didn't make anything up. The first book in the Holy Bible was written close to 3,400 years ago by Moses who was inspired by God to write it. The Holy Bible is the word of God and I believe it.
I would like to add that I am only one of a little over 2 billion Christians today who believe in God.
If you don't want to believe...well fine, move on then, don't come to this thread because I notice you and your buddies always seem to be in a foul mood.
All the cussing and put downs shows frustration. You don't see Rostos or I getting frustrated. We are Christians who believe in Almighty God!
You all get angry because you just hate that hell deal...well sorry I didn't make that up. The Holy Bible which is God's Word is telling us that.
I didn't make anything up. The first book in the Holy Bible was written close to 3,400 years ago by Moses who was inspired by God to write it. The Holy Bible is the word of God and I believe it.
I would like to add that I am only one of a little over 2 billion Christians today who believe in God.
If you don't want to believe...well fine, move on then, don't come to this thread because I notice you and your buddies always seem to be in a foul mood.
All the cussing and put downs shows frustration. You don't see Rostos or I getting frustrated. We are Christians who believe in Almighty God!
You all get angry because you just hate that hell deal...well sorry I didn't make that up. The Holy Bible which is God's Word is telling us that.
The majority of cosmologists and physicists AGREE the universe began to exist.
The second law of thermodynamics also backs this claim up.
This points to a beginning of a universe....
"With the proof now in place, cosmologists can no longer hide behind the possibility of a past-eternal universe. There is no escape: they have to face the problem of a cosmic beginning."
- Alexander Vilenkin
Atheists can no longer hide behind a eternal past universe. Eisnteins special relativity also confirms the universe began to exist.
I just sit back here and laugh at the atheists who have no where to go and cornered into a wall since this discovery.
**Again, no where have i said this discovery in isolation proves the Christian God. However it certainly renders atheism false unless you want to believe things can pop into existence uncaused like KK seems to think.
Then you go on and commit a fallacy of equivocation by comparing God to santa, etc etc....Not only have you commited this fallacy but you have also compared something that is testable to something that is not...
You are embarrassing your atheist friends...
The majority of cosmologists and physicists AGREE the universe began to exist.
The second law of thermodynamics also backs this claim up.
This points to a beginning of a universe....
"With the proof now in place, cosmologists can no longer hide behind the possibility of a past-eternal universe. There is no escape: they have to face the problem of a cosmic beginning."
- Alexander Vilenkin
Atheists can no longer hide behind a eternal past universe. Eisnteins special relativity also confirms the universe began to exist.
I just sit back here and laugh at the atheists who have no where to go and cornered into a wall since this discovery.
**Again, no where have i said this discovery in isolation proves the Christian God. However it certainly renders atheism false unless you want to believe things can pop into existence uncaused like KK seems to think.
Then you go on and commit a fallacy of equivocation by comparing God to santa, etc etc....Not only have you commited this fallacy but you have also compared something that is testable to something that is not...
You are embarrassing your atheist friends...
Did somebody say they believe in Santa Claus?...lol
Ok...fine...but believe me I'm not going to want you to prove it to me that he exist...lol
So, please don't ask me to prove that he doesn't exist...because frankly I just don't care if he does exist or doesn't...lol
Did somebody say they believe in Santa Claus?...lol
Ok...fine...but believe me I'm not going to want you to prove it to me that he exist...lol
So, please don't ask me to prove that he doesn't exist...because frankly I just don't care if he does exist or doesn't...lol
Did somebody say they believe in Santa Claus?...lol
Ok...fine...but believe me I'm not going to want you to prove it to me that he exist...lol
So, please don't ask me to prove that he doesn't exist...because frankly I just don't care if he does exist or doesn't...lol
Did somebody say they believe in Santa Claus?...lol
Ok...fine...but believe me I'm not going to want you to prove it to me that he exist...lol
So, please don't ask me to prove that he doesn't exist...because frankly I just don't care if he does exist or doesn't...lol
Did somebody say they believe in Santa Claus?...lol
Ok...fine...but believe me I'm not going to want you to prove it to me that he exist...lol
So, please don't ask me to prove that he doesn't exist...because frankly I just don't care if he does exist or doesn't...lol
Did somebody say they believe in Santa Claus?...lol
Ok...fine...but believe me I'm not going to want you to prove it to me that he exist...lol
So, please don't ask me to prove that he doesn't exist...because frankly I just don't care if he does exist or doesn't...lol
Did somebody say they believe in Santa Claus?...lol
Ok...fine...but believe me I'm not going to want you to prove it to me that he exist...lol
So, please don't ask me to prove that he doesn't exist...because frankly I just don't care if he does exist or doesn't...lol
Did somebody say they believe in GOD?...lol
Ok...fine...but believe me I'm not going to want you to prove it to me that he exist...lol
So, please don't ask me to prove that he doesn't exist...because frankly I just don't care if he does exist or doesn't...lol
Interesting... we feel the same way about how insane the premise is that either one of them is real
Did somebody say they believe in Santa Claus?...lol
Ok...fine...but believe me I'm not going to want you to prove it to me that he exist...lol
So, please don't ask me to prove that he doesn't exist...because frankly I just don't care if he does exist or doesn't...lol
Did somebody say they believe in GOD?...lol
Ok...fine...but believe me I'm not going to want you to prove it to me that he exist...lol
So, please don't ask me to prove that he doesn't exist...because frankly I just don't care if he does exist or doesn't...lol
Interesting... we feel the same way about how insane the premise is that either one of them is real
Yes because he is not going to punish me for not believing in him...get it?
So let's stick with God ok fellas?
Any wise man would fear the Lord and not Santa....you get it now?
Yes because he is not going to punish me for not believing in him...get it?
So let's stick with God ok fellas?
Any wise man would fear the Lord and not Santa....you get it now?
Did somebody say they believe in GOD?...lol
Ok...fine...but believe me I'm not going to want you to prove it to me that he exist...lol
So, please don't ask me to prove that he doesn't exist...because frankly I just don't care if he does exist or doesn't...lol
Interesting... we feel the same way about how insane the premise is that either one of them is real
Did somebody say they believe in GOD?...lol
Ok...fine...but believe me I'm not going to want you to prove it to me that he exist...lol
So, please don't ask me to prove that he doesn't exist...because frankly I just don't care if he does exist or doesn't...lol
Interesting... we feel the same way about how insane the premise is that either one of them is real
Yes because he is not going to punish me for not believing in him...get it?
So let's stick with God ok fellas?
Any wise man would fear the Lord and not Santa....you get it now?
Yes because he is not going to punish me for not believing in him...get it?
So let's stick with God ok fellas?
Any wise man would fear the Lord and not Santa....you get it now?
Let me address the Santa Claus, tooth fairy, big foot and why it is a fallacy to compare it with God....
What is the hypothesis of Santa Claus?
Santa is based in the north pole, making presents all year, then around Christmas, hops on his reindeers, goes down chimnies, delivers presents, eats carrots and cookies left at the door etc etc.
Has Santa been ever seen in the north pole?
Has ANY present ever not been accounted for?
Has anyone ever seen Santa flying around on his reindeers?
Now, the important thing here is NOT the answers to the questions above, rather the fact is, it would be possible to test the above hypothesis.
It will be possible to test if a present has never been accounted for, it will be possible to test a witness if they have seen santa flying around....
You will be able to see, that the hypothesis of santa is TESTABLE. As i said, it is not important what the answers are to the above, the fact is, they are testable.
Look at another example, what if i said there are kangaroos playing baseball on Mars? The important thing here is not if what i am saying is true, but that it is testable. It is physically possible to test my claim.
How is God testable?
Is the hypothesis of God that there will be a cross in the sky showing that he exists? If there is a God there is no evil? If there is a God, will he be down at the local mall on Sundays?
Cmon, i want to hear it, how is he testable?
This is clear that Santa, big foot etc are all TESTABLE, God isnt.
Let me address the Santa Claus, tooth fairy, big foot and why it is a fallacy to compare it with God....
What is the hypothesis of Santa Claus?
Santa is based in the north pole, making presents all year, then around Christmas, hops on his reindeers, goes down chimnies, delivers presents, eats carrots and cookies left at the door etc etc.
Has Santa been ever seen in the north pole?
Has ANY present ever not been accounted for?
Has anyone ever seen Santa flying around on his reindeers?
Now, the important thing here is NOT the answers to the questions above, rather the fact is, it would be possible to test the above hypothesis.
It will be possible to test if a present has never been accounted for, it will be possible to test a witness if they have seen santa flying around....
You will be able to see, that the hypothesis of santa is TESTABLE. As i said, it is not important what the answers are to the above, the fact is, they are testable.
Look at another example, what if i said there are kangaroos playing baseball on Mars? The important thing here is not if what i am saying is true, but that it is testable. It is physically possible to test my claim.
How is God testable?
Is the hypothesis of God that there will be a cross in the sky showing that he exists? If there is a God there is no evil? If there is a God, will he be down at the local mall on Sundays?
Cmon, i want to hear it, how is he testable?
This is clear that Santa, big foot etc are all TESTABLE, God isnt.
Oh dear....
So SJD cannot use the bible because it presupposes theism, BUT,your rejection of the KCA is ok because in this case you are allowed to presuppose atheism?
I never said that the KCA in isolation proves the Christian God, but it renders atheism false.
On one hand, you say you dont know, ok , fine, then at the same time you say its not God?
Which one is it? Either you are an agnostic or an atheist that has a belief.
I am only stating my mind here, but the atheists on here are really stupid, they dont even know the implications of there statement.
The ducking in and out between atheism and agnostocism is astounding by you, and Mikniks....
On one hand, they duck and hide behind, "i dont know", then when pushed they say God doesnt exist because i only believe in emprical evidence even though one cant disprove God with emprical evidence....
Oh dear....
So SJD cannot use the bible because it presupposes theism, BUT,your rejection of the KCA is ok because in this case you are allowed to presuppose atheism?
I never said that the KCA in isolation proves the Christian God, but it renders atheism false.
On one hand, you say you dont know, ok , fine, then at the same time you say its not God?
Which one is it? Either you are an agnostic or an atheist that has a belief.
I am only stating my mind here, but the atheists on here are really stupid, they dont even know the implications of there statement.
The ducking in and out between atheism and agnostocism is astounding by you, and Mikniks....
On one hand, they duck and hide behind, "i dont know", then when pushed they say God doesnt exist because i only believe in emprical evidence even though one cant disprove God with emprical evidence....
The second law of thermodynamics in lamens terms is pretty much that the universe has a certain amount of non renewable energy which is being consumed at a certain rate..Ie, your gas tank, as you drive, gas is being used, however you are not allowed to re-fill your tank, what will eventually happen if you keep on driving it? You will stall.
Now, assuming it was never possible to refill your tank, and your tank size is an average tank size, is it possible and logical for you to say, for the infinite past, my car was getting driven every day? Of course not, it would have stopped a long long time because you would have used up all your petrol......
Exactly the same with the universe, if the universe had an eternal past, the universe would have been consumed a long long long time ago........
The second law of thermodynamics in lamens terms is pretty much that the universe has a certain amount of non renewable energy which is being consumed at a certain rate..Ie, your gas tank, as you drive, gas is being used, however you are not allowed to re-fill your tank, what will eventually happen if you keep on driving it? You will stall.
Now, assuming it was never possible to refill your tank, and your tank size is an average tank size, is it possible and logical for you to say, for the infinite past, my car was getting driven every day? Of course not, it would have stopped a long long time because you would have used up all your petrol......
Exactly the same with the universe, if the universe had an eternal past, the universe would have been consumed a long long long time ago........
Oh dear....
So SJD cannot use the bible because it presupposes theism, BUT,your rejection of the KCA is ok because in this case you are allowed to presuppose atheism?
I never said that the KCA in isolation proves the Christian God, but it renders atheism false.
On one hand, you say you dont know, ok , fine, then at the same time you say its not God?
Which one is it? Either you are an agnostic or an atheist that has a belief.
I am only stating my mind here, but the atheists on here are really stupid, they dont even know the implications of there statement.
The ducking in and out between atheism and agnostocism is astounding by you, and Mikniks....
On one hand, they duck and hide behind, "i dont know", then when pushed they say God doesnt exist because i only believe in emprical evidence even though one cant disprove God with emprical evidence....
Oh dear....
So SJD cannot use the bible because it presupposes theism, BUT,your rejection of the KCA is ok because in this case you are allowed to presuppose atheism?
I never said that the KCA in isolation proves the Christian God, but it renders atheism false.
On one hand, you say you dont know, ok , fine, then at the same time you say its not God?
Which one is it? Either you are an agnostic or an atheist that has a belief.
I am only stating my mind here, but the atheists on here are really stupid, they dont even know the implications of there statement.
The ducking in and out between atheism and agnostocism is astounding by you, and Mikniks....
On one hand, they duck and hide behind, "i dont know", then when pushed they say God doesnt exist because i only believe in emprical evidence even though one cant disprove God with emprical evidence....
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