STOP USING THE BIBLE AS PROOF OF ANYTHING!!! Until you prove god exists, you can NOT consider the bible to be proof of anything... I'm not being stubborn at all... I want to believe in god, but there is 0 evidence, so why would I?
I have never mentioned proof, nor have I ever come to this thread expressing that I have proved that God exist because of the Holy Bible. If you seek definite proof you will never find it as long as you live on earth...get that through your stubborn mind!
The closest thing you can get to the proof you seek would be to look at it in a logical, philosophical way...beyond that you are not getting the definite proof you seek like in the sense that God oneday will appear to you and show you physical proof that He indeed exist...forget that proof.
I mean what do you want, do you want Him to visit you one night before you go to bed and have him show you a few miracles to prove it's Him, then have some hot milk and oreo cookies and have Him tell you old biblical true stories from the past?...lol
You must have faith that He exist but all I see from you is your faith that He doesn't exist. If you continue that path, don't come here because we, who do have faith, will tell you like it is and if you can't take it and get angry over what we say then just move on for you will not get any definite proof here....does that stubborn mind of yours understand?
Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:
STOP USING THE BIBLE AS PROOF OF ANYTHING!!! Until you prove god exists, you can NOT consider the bible to be proof of anything... I'm not being stubborn at all... I want to believe in god, but there is 0 evidence, so why would I?
I have never mentioned proof, nor have I ever come to this thread expressing that I have proved that God exist because of the Holy Bible. If you seek definite proof you will never find it as long as you live on earth...get that through your stubborn mind!
The closest thing you can get to the proof you seek would be to look at it in a logical, philosophical way...beyond that you are not getting the definite proof you seek like in the sense that God oneday will appear to you and show you physical proof that He indeed exist...forget that proof.
I mean what do you want, do you want Him to visit you one night before you go to bed and have him show you a few miracles to prove it's Him, then have some hot milk and oreo cookies and have Him tell you old biblical true stories from the past?...lol
You must have faith that He exist but all I see from you is your faith that He doesn't exist. If you continue that path, don't come here because we, who do have faith, will tell you like it is and if you can't take it and get angry over what we say then just move on for you will not get any definite proof here....does that stubborn mind of yours understand?
I have never mentioned proof, nor have I ever come to this thread expressing that I have proved that God exist because of the Holy Bible. If you seek definite proof you will never find it as long as you live on earth...get that through your stubborn mind!
You use the bible as proof ALL the time in this thread.
The closest thing you can get to the proof you seek would be to look at it in a logical, philosophical way...beyond that you are not getting the definite proof you seek like in the sense that God oneday will appear to you and show you physical proof that He indeed exist...forget that proof.
Exactly. There is no proof. There is also ZERO evidence, so why should I believe?
I mean what do you want, do you want Him to visit you one night before you go to bed and have him show you a few miracles to prove it's Him, then have some hot milk and oreo cookies and have Him tell you old biblical true stories from the past?...lol
At least provide some evidence!! I don't need 100% proof, but at least provide some shred of evidence.
You must have faith that He exist but all I see from you is your faith that He doesn't exist. If you continue that path, don't come here because we, who do have faith, will tell you like it is and if you can't take it and get angry over what we say then just move on for you will not get any definite proof here....does that stubborn mind of yours understand?
Tell me like it is? Tell me like what is? You have no idea how it is. You know nothing. Keep being stubborn instead of having an open mind.
Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:
I have never mentioned proof, nor have I ever come to this thread expressing that I have proved that God exist because of the Holy Bible. If you seek definite proof you will never find it as long as you live on earth...get that through your stubborn mind!
You use the bible as proof ALL the time in this thread.
The closest thing you can get to the proof you seek would be to look at it in a logical, philosophical way...beyond that you are not getting the definite proof you seek like in the sense that God oneday will appear to you and show you physical proof that He indeed exist...forget that proof.
Exactly. There is no proof. There is also ZERO evidence, so why should I believe?
I mean what do you want, do you want Him to visit you one night before you go to bed and have him show you a few miracles to prove it's Him, then have some hot milk and oreo cookies and have Him tell you old biblical true stories from the past?...lol
At least provide some evidence!! I don't need 100% proof, but at least provide some shred of evidence.
You must have faith that He exist but all I see from you is your faith that He doesn't exist. If you continue that path, don't come here because we, who do have faith, will tell you like it is and if you can't take it and get angry over what we say then just move on for you will not get any definite proof here....does that stubborn mind of yours understand?
Tell me like it is? Tell me like what is? You have no idea how it is. You know nothing. Keep being stubborn instead of having an open mind.
Then don't believe and don't come to this thread anymore...simple as that.
I mean what is the sense you coming here?...you won't get the proof you seek.
This thread is listed under "General Discussion". This is meant to be a discussion, but all you keep doing is preaching nonsense.
You are only going to get frustrated when I keep telling you if you don't change your ways you will go to hell for all eternity!
I'm not frustrated with this at all... Are you the judge? NO, you certainly are not... Maybe I'll go to heaven and you ill go to hell... You have no idea, and you can't have any idea, so stop acting like you know anything at all...
Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:
Then don't believe and don't come to this thread anymore...simple as that.
I mean what is the sense you coming here?...you won't get the proof you seek.
This thread is listed under "General Discussion". This is meant to be a discussion, but all you keep doing is preaching nonsense.
You are only going to get frustrated when I keep telling you if you don't change your ways you will go to hell for all eternity!
I'm not frustrated with this at all... Are you the judge? NO, you certainly are not... Maybe I'll go to heaven and you ill go to hell... You have no idea, and you can't have any idea, so stop acting like you know anything at all...
I'm not frustrated with this at all... Are you the judge? NO, you certainly are not... Maybe I'll go to heaven and you ill go to hell... You have no idea, and you can't have any idea, so stop acting like you know anything at all...
The Holy Bible is from God which is His word.
I'm just stating what is in the bible. I'm not judging just stating what the bible says.
You are confused that is for sure, I see you want to have reason to believe but at the same time something is holding you back. Maybe it's some sin you are doing and can't let it go...I just don't know what it is only you know.
You can't have it your way...look there are many other religions out there go see what they preach because obviously you don't like the Christian faith. Maybe you'll find something you like that's out there.
I know one thing...guys like you are not going to change my belief in God and His only begotten Son Jesus Christ our Lord Savior and what the Holy Bible says...that's for sure!
Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:
I'm not frustrated with this at all... Are you the judge? NO, you certainly are not... Maybe I'll go to heaven and you ill go to hell... You have no idea, and you can't have any idea, so stop acting like you know anything at all...
The Holy Bible is from God which is His word.
I'm just stating what is in the bible. I'm not judging just stating what the bible says.
You are confused that is for sure, I see you want to have reason to believe but at the same time something is holding you back. Maybe it's some sin you are doing and can't let it go...I just don't know what it is only you know.
You can't have it your way...look there are many other religions out there go see what they preach because obviously you don't like the Christian faith. Maybe you'll find something you like that's out there.
I know one thing...guys like you are not going to change my belief in God and His only begotten Son Jesus Christ our Lord Savior and what the Holy Bible says...that's for sure!
The Holy Bible is maybe from God which is maybe His word.
I'm just stating what is in the bible. I'm not judging just stating what the bible says.
You are confused that is for sure, I see you want to have reason to believe but at the same time something is holding you back. Maybe it's some sin you are doing and can't let it go...I just don't know what it is only you know.
You can't have it your way...look there are many other religions out there go see what they preach because obviously you don't like the Christian faith. Maybe you'll find something you like that's out there.
I know one thing...guys like you are not going to change my belief in God and His only begotten Son Jesus Christ our Lord Savior and what the Holy Bible says...that's for sure!
Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:
The Holy Bible is maybe from God which is maybe His word.
I'm just stating what is in the bible. I'm not judging just stating what the bible says.
You are confused that is for sure, I see you want to have reason to believe but at the same time something is holding you back. Maybe it's some sin you are doing and can't let it go...I just don't know what it is only you know.
You can't have it your way...look there are many other religions out there go see what they preach because obviously you don't like the Christian faith. Maybe you'll find something you like that's out there.
I know one thing...guys like you are not going to change my belief in God and His only begotten Son Jesus Christ our Lord Savior and what the Holy Bible says...that's for sure!
The Cosmological argument in isolation does not prove the Christian God but it certainly renders atheism false.
LOLOLOL, you are listing a number of supposed flaws in my logic, but nothing beats the atheists mantra -
"things pop into existence out of nothing, by nothing, for nothing".
Atheists
Why dont you go and debunk my cosmological argument bit by bit instead of going to a philosophy website, grabbing a bunch of words you dont understand and listing them as if they are relevant to my argument. The fact that you did PROVES you dont even know what they mean. Cmon, why dont you apply those terms against the cosmological argument??? Because you cant.
Thats all what you have done, tapped around the argument because you have no answer....
Here Rostos dutifully rolls into 10. Illogical inferences and non sequitur. Your avatar is truly an apt image. Drooling, apish, gasping breath, dim light of flickering comprehension.
I'd rather be playing D&D.
Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:
The Cosmological argument in isolation does not prove the Christian God but it certainly renders atheism false.
LOLOLOL, you are listing a number of supposed flaws in my logic, but nothing beats the atheists mantra -
"things pop into existence out of nothing, by nothing, for nothing".
Atheists
Why dont you go and debunk my cosmological argument bit by bit instead of going to a philosophy website, grabbing a bunch of words you dont understand and listing them as if they are relevant to my argument. The fact that you did PROVES you dont even know what they mean. Cmon, why dont you apply those terms against the cosmological argument??? Because you cant.
Thats all what you have done, tapped around the argument because you have no answer....
Here Rostos dutifully rolls into 10. Illogical inferences and non sequitur. Your avatar is truly an apt image. Drooling, apish, gasping breath, dim light of flickering comprehension.
Here Rostos dutifully rolls into 10. Illogical inferences and non sequitur. Your avatar is truly an apt image. Drooling, apish, gasping breath, dim light of flickering comprehension.
Why do you keep on pitching around me?
Quote Originally Posted by jagerfury:
Here Rostos dutifully rolls into 10. Illogical inferences and non sequitur. Your avatar is truly an apt image. Drooling, apish, gasping breath, dim light of flickering comprehension.
It would be like me saying well Harry Potter is real because I read it in a book...
Not even remotely the same...lol
Harry Potter would be your argument as being equivalent to people who believe in God...lol
Go ahead tell everyone you believe in Harry Potter...lol
First off, the book of Harry Potter does not make a claim that is a true story...that's why they have no problem that it is located in the fictional section of book stores...lol
It will just convince everyone how confused you are...lol
Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:
It would be like me saying well Harry Potter is real because I read it in a book...
Not even remotely the same...lol
Harry Potter would be your argument as being equivalent to people who believe in God...lol
Go ahead tell everyone you believe in Harry Potter...lol
First off, the book of Harry Potter does not make a claim that is a true story...that's why they have no problem that it is located in the fictional section of book stores...lol
It will just convince everyone how confused you are...lol
Harry Potter would be your argument as being equivalent to people who believe in God...lol
Go ahead tell everyone you believe in Harry Potter...lol
First off, the book of Harry Potter does not make a claim that is a true story...that's why they have no problem that it is located in the fictional section of book stores...lol
It will just convince everyone how confused you are...lol
It's almost exactly the same... So if Harry Potter claimed to be true it would be okay for me to believe in it??? There is no more evidence that god exists as opposed to Harry Potter...
Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:
Not even remotely the same...lol
Harry Potter would be your argument as being equivalent to people who believe in God...lol
Go ahead tell everyone you believe in Harry Potter...lol
First off, the book of Harry Potter does not make a claim that is a true story...that's why they have no problem that it is located in the fictional section of book stores...lol
It will just convince everyone how confused you are...lol
It's almost exactly the same... So if Harry Potter claimed to be true it would be okay for me to believe in it??? There is no more evidence that god exists as opposed to Harry Potter...
Are you kidding me?!? Even Rostos will agree with me here, you are no position to judge. You have no idea how god, if he exists, would judge anyone...
AND DON'T USE THE BIBLE TO MAKE YOUR POINT!! You are not allowed to do that since it can not be used as proof...
You are indeed confused. Seems like you want to believe in God but you don't like His rules that are found in the bible to be the word of God.
You want so much to believe in God but you just don't like what the bible says.
Well sorry buster, you just can't have it your way. The Holy Bible is the word of God.
Furthermore I know I'm not the judge but the bible tells me flat out what happens to people who accept or reject Jesus Christ as their Lord Savior and God will indeed know who these people are when He judges everyone.
Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:
Are you kidding me?!? Even Rostos will agree with me here, you are no position to judge. You have no idea how god, if he exists, would judge anyone...
AND DON'T USE THE BIBLE TO MAKE YOUR POINT!! You are not allowed to do that since it can not be used as proof...
You are indeed confused. Seems like you want to believe in God but you don't like His rules that are found in the bible to be the word of God.
You want so much to believe in God but you just don't like what the bible says.
Well sorry buster, you just can't have it your way. The Holy Bible is the word of God.
Furthermore I know I'm not the judge but the bible tells me flat out what happens to people who accept or reject Jesus Christ as their Lord Savior and God will indeed know who these people are when He judges everyone.
You are indeed confused. Seems like you want to believe in God but you don't like His rules that are found in the bible to be the word of God.
You want so much to believe in God but you just don't like what the bible says.
Well sorry buster, you just can't have it your way. The Holy Bible is the word of God.
Furthermore I know I'm not the judge but the bible tells me flat out what happens to people who accept or reject Jesus Christ as their Lord Savior and God will indeed know who these people are when He judges everyone.
My point has absolutely nothing to do with what is in the bible. The point is you cannot consider the bible to be the word of god until god is proven first...
STOP SAYING THE BIBLE IS THE WORD OF GOD!! YOU DON'T KNOW THAT!! THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF THAT!! YOU JUST SOUND DUMBER AND DUMBER EVERY TIME YOU SPEAK!!!
I'm glad the bible says not to reject Jesus... That means NOTHING since the bible can not be proven to be the word of god... What are you having trouble grasping??
It's so ironic that you call me stubborn and confused...
Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:
You are indeed confused. Seems like you want to believe in God but you don't like His rules that are found in the bible to be the word of God.
You want so much to believe in God but you just don't like what the bible says.
Well sorry buster, you just can't have it your way. The Holy Bible is the word of God.
Furthermore I know I'm not the judge but the bible tells me flat out what happens to people who accept or reject Jesus Christ as their Lord Savior and God will indeed know who these people are when He judges everyone.
My point has absolutely nothing to do with what is in the bible. The point is you cannot consider the bible to be the word of god until god is proven first...
STOP SAYING THE BIBLE IS THE WORD OF GOD!! YOU DON'T KNOW THAT!! THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF THAT!! YOU JUST SOUND DUMBER AND DUMBER EVERY TIME YOU SPEAK!!!
I'm glad the bible says not to reject Jesus... That means NOTHING since the bible can not be proven to be the word of god... What are you having trouble grasping??
It's so ironic that you call me stubborn and confused...
It's almost exactly the same... So if Harry Potter claimed to be true it would be okay for me to believe in it??? There is no more evidence that god exists as opposed to Harry Potter...
Harry Potter is testable, God isnt....
Cmon, you have to better than that.
Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:
It's almost exactly the same... So if Harry Potter claimed to be true it would be okay for me to believe in it??? There is no more evidence that god exists as opposed to Harry Potter...
You are only going to get frustrated when I keep telling you if you don't change your ways you will go to hell for all eternity!
Do you really believe that everyone who believes different from what you believe is going to hell? Its beyond arrogant on your part to think you know what will happen.
Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:
You are only going to get frustrated when I keep telling you if you don't change your ways you will go to hell for all eternity!
Do you really believe that everyone who believes different from what you believe is going to hell? Its beyond arrogant on your part to think you know what will happen.
I don't agree with SJD or Rostos in their religious beliefs. I have my own. But I give both of them credit for coming into this thread and sharing their beliefs. I can fully respect that.
I don't agree with SJD or Rostos in their religious beliefs. I have my own. But I give both of them credit for coming into this thread and sharing their beliefs. I can fully respect that.
When the universe began to exist, space, time and matter began to exist. Prior to this The cause of the universe logically must be spaceless, timeless and immaterial. Hence the atheists dillemna, they have now been cornered because they dont believe in anything that spaceless, timeless and immaterial.
The most logical cause of the universe is a spaceless, timeless and immaterial mind UNLESS you believe the universe popped into existence out of NOTHING, BY NOTHING , FOR NOTHING.
You see the implications of athestic beliefs....?
Here is Rostos post 1605 he keeps refering to, as if there is something important here. Here we have unfounded assertions, and false equivalency. Notice the either or proposition. It can only be a spaceless, timeless, immaterial mind, or it can be only existence out of nothing. Ahhh, no, it could be a multiple of things. The field of science attempts to narrow the answer down through empircile method. The same process which created the computer you are typing on you total fucktard. Or did you just pray for it into existance. So is this your working definition of god, that she is a spaceless, timeless, imaterial mind?
Once again dipshit, current gaps in human knowledge does not prove god exists.
I'd rather be playing D&D.
Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:
LOLOLOL,
WHAT CAUSED the universe to come into existence?
The universe BEGAN to exist.
When the universe began to exist, space, time and matter began to exist. Prior to this The cause of the universe logically must be spaceless, timeless and immaterial. Hence the atheists dillemna, they have now been cornered because they dont believe in anything that spaceless, timeless and immaterial.
The most logical cause of the universe is a spaceless, timeless and immaterial mind UNLESS you believe the universe popped into existence out of NOTHING, BY NOTHING , FOR NOTHING.
You see the implications of athestic beliefs....?
Here is Rostos post 1605 he keeps refering to, as if there is something important here. Here we have unfounded assertions, and false equivalency. Notice the either or proposition. It can only be a spaceless, timeless, immaterial mind, or it can be only existence out of nothing. Ahhh, no, it could be a multiple of things. The field of science attempts to narrow the answer down through empircile method. The same process which created the computer you are typing on you total fucktard. Or did you just pray for it into existance. So is this your working definition of god, that she is a spaceless, timeless, imaterial mind?
Once again dipshit, current gaps in human knowledge does not prove god exists.
My faith tells me the Holy Bible is the word of God.
Also, the life and resurrection of Jesus Christ our Lord Savior reinforces my unyielding faith and belief in Almighty God!
What don't you understand about those statements I made?
Stop being like a stubborn child.
This is the hand wave off proof of god; don't bother me with logic, I believe what I believe so it must be true. What passes for thought among the automatons is laughable. Once again using the bible to prove the truth of the bible is not considered proving anything. It is one hand clapping. You can believe this, no one here is saying you can't be your own brand of idiot. Just don't get upset when you don't get a seat at the big kids table.
If your only contribution is I believe because it is the way I want it to be then you are not making any contribution whatsoever. Like any argument brought before any civil body in western civilization, the creationists claims have been thrown out on their asses.
You only have belief, while science costantly provides proof of its validity. Other wise you would be sitting in the dark with a life expectency of about twenty.
I'd rather be playing D&D.
Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:
I already told you, you won't get any proof.
My faith tells me the Holy Bible is the word of God.
Also, the life and resurrection of Jesus Christ our Lord Savior reinforces my unyielding faith and belief in Almighty God!
What don't you understand about those statements I made?
Stop being like a stubborn child.
This is the hand wave off proof of god; don't bother me with logic, I believe what I believe so it must be true. What passes for thought among the automatons is laughable. Once again using the bible to prove the truth of the bible is not considered proving anything. It is one hand clapping. You can believe this, no one here is saying you can't be your own brand of idiot. Just don't get upset when you don't get a seat at the big kids table.
If your only contribution is I believe because it is the way I want it to be then you are not making any contribution whatsoever. Like any argument brought before any civil body in western civilization, the creationists claims have been thrown out on their asses.
You only have belief, while science costantly provides proof of its validity. Other wise you would be sitting in the dark with a life expectency of about twenty.
I still wonder what there was before God came into existence? And if there was nothing before God, how did Gods existence occur? What triggered the existance of God? There had to be a beginning, what was it that caused the universe to blink into existence? Could it be a memeber of the Q continuum was bored one day and the Milky Way Galaxy was the result?
The real question is how old is matter?
I still wonder what there was before God came into existence? And if there was nothing before God, how did Gods existence occur? What triggered the existance of God? There had to be a beginning, what was it that caused the universe to blink into existence? Could it be a memeber of the Q continuum was bored one day and the Milky Way Galaxy was the result?
i bet in real life rostos is one annoying jagoff...one of those last word freaks who never shuts the fuck up and always thinks he is right...he accomplishes nothing except the endless flapping of his womanly lips....give it a rest already....
i bet in real life rostos is one annoying jagoff...one of those last word freaks who never shuts the fuck up and always thinks he is right...he accomplishes nothing except the endless flapping of his womanly lips....give it a rest already....
Do you really believe that everyone who believes different from what you believe is going to hell? Its beyond arrogant on your part to think you know what will happen.
Yes.
Quote Originally Posted by Drizle:
Do you really believe that everyone who believes different from what you believe is going to hell? Its beyond arrogant on your part to think you know what will happen.
This is meant to be a discussion, but all you keep doing is preaching nonsense. 
Atheists
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