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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2011 - 9:13 PM ET #1501

    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    Under "The bible", murder is NOT ABSOLUTELY WRONG...


    Oh here we go, under the old testament, the murder of the caanaties.....

    Are you trying to compare Gods judgement on people as the same when a man decides to take the life of another for any reason?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    Under "The bible", murder is NOT ABSOLUTELY WRONG...


    Oh here we go, under the old testament, the murder of the caanaties.....

    Are you trying to compare Gods judgement on people as the same when a man decides to take the life of another for any reason?

     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2011 - 9:25 PM ET #1502

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Oh here we go, under the old testament, the murder of the caanaties.....

    Are you trying to compare Gods judgement on people as the same when a man decides to take the life of another for any reason?


    I can't, because there is no such thing as god...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Oh here we go, under the old testament, the murder of the caanaties.....

    Are you trying to compare Gods judgement on people as the same when a man decides to take the life of another for any reason?


    I can't, because there is no such thing as god...


     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2011 - 10:07 PM ET #1503

    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    I can't, because there is no such thing as god...


    So why have you brought it up in the past?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    I can't, because there is no such thing as god...


    So why have you brought it up in the past?

     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2011 - 10:29 PM ET #1504

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    So why have you brought it up in the past?


    to make a point
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    So why have you brought it up in the past?


    to make a point
     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2011 - 12:23 AM ET #1505

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Oh here we go, under the old testament, the murder of the caanaties.....

    Are you trying to compare Gods judgement on people as the same when a man decides to take the life of another for any reason?



    Bible also says to kill people...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Oh here we go, under the old testament, the murder of the caanaties.....

    Are you trying to compare Gods judgement on people as the same when a man decides to take the life of another for any reason?



    Bible also says to kill people...
     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2011 - 3:00 AM ET #1506

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:



    Bible also says to kill people...

    You should be ashamed of yourself. Somewhere I read that you had 15 years of attending a Catholic school and so you should know the scriptures well enough that it can be misinterpreted but on the otherhand maybe you just weren't paying close attention in your studies and your parents wasted their hard earned money on you to be properly educated.

    A few posts ago I did answer your question concerning punishments during the time of Moses and the answer I'm going to give you here is pretty similar to the one I gave you earlier. So let me explain again and please don't keep asking similar questions concerning the Old Testament when I have already given you an answer that covers punishments in the Old Testament, it makes me think that you don't have a good memory and are not very bright.

    Jesus Christ said, "Don't misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not even the smallest detail of God's law will disappear until its purpose is achieved. So if you ignore the least commandment and teach others to do the same, you will be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But anyone who obeys God's laws and teaches them will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven." ---Matthew 5:17-19

    So in otherwords Jesus didn't come to us to amend or change any laws that were written in the Old Testament. All of the laws that God handed down to Moses which includes the Ten Commandments and laws like forbidden sexual practices still stands. However the punishments for disobedience were direct instructions to Moses to carry out when God spoke directly to him and should not be confused by one thinking God wants us to carry out those punishments today too...no, no, no!!! This is how people can get in serious trouble today by misinterpreting the bible.

    It is like a military commander who gives a direct order to a subordinate to carry out. If someone else sees the order it is not for them to carry out. Only the subordinate who received the order has the authority to carry it out. And yes God said thou shalt not kill but when He gives a direct order that is the only time where killing is permitted and this killing by the authority of God is justified because it is a killing or punishment for disobedience which to God is a serious capital offense.

    So there is your answer. The bible is not telling people who are currently living in the 21st century to round up homosexuals and kill them...you got it? They will get their punishments directly from Him because homosexuality is and will always be a sin to God as written in the Holy Bible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:



    Bible also says to kill people...

    You should be ashamed of yourself. Somewhere I read that you had 15 years of attending a Catholic school and so you should know the scriptures well enough that it can be misinterpreted but on the otherhand maybe you just weren't paying close attention in your studies and your parents wasted their hard earned money on you to be properly educated.

    A few posts ago I did answer your question concerning punishments during the time of Moses and the answer I'm going to give you here is pretty similar to the one I gave you earlier. So let me explain again and please don't keep asking similar questions concerning the Old Testament when I have already given you an answer that covers punishments in the Old Testament, it makes me think that you don't have a good memory and are not very bright.

    Jesus Christ said, "Don't misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not even the smallest detail of God's law will disappear until its purpose is achieved. So if you ignore the least commandment and teach others to do the same, you will be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But anyone who obeys God's laws and teaches them will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven." ---Matthew 5:17-19

    So in otherwords Jesus didn't come to us to amend or change any laws that were written in the Old Testament. All of the laws that God handed down to Moses which includes the Ten Commandments and laws like forbidden sexual practices still stands. However the punishments for disobedience were direct instructions to Moses to carry out when God spoke directly to him and should not be confused by one thinking God wants us to carry out those punishments today too...no, no, no!!! This is how people can get in serious trouble today by misinterpreting the bible.

    It is like a military commander who gives a direct order to a subordinate to carry out. If someone else sees the order it is not for them to carry out. Only the subordinate who received the order has the authority to carry it out. And yes God said thou shalt not kill but when He gives a direct order that is the only time where killing is permitted and this killing by the authority of God is justified because it is a killing or punishment for disobedience which to God is a serious capital offense.

    So there is your answer. The bible is not telling people who are currently living in the 21st century to round up homosexuals and kill them...you got it? They will get their punishments directly from Him because homosexuality is and will always be a sin to God as written in the Holy Bible.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2011 - 3:46 AM ET #1507

    oh i get it so ur saying god doesn't exist so the person's can run rampant in the streets. just great
    it says in the bible the person's will face gods wrath
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    oh i get it so ur saying god doesn't exist so the person's can run rampant in the streets. just great
    it says in the bible the person's will face gods wrath
     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2011 - 3:53 AM ET #1508

    That is your interpretation. Theres nothing in the verse that says we shouldnt kill people anymore... You think youre giving an answer, but youre not. It's just what you THINK is the answer... And you don't even understand what i meant by the post, which makes me think youre not too bright (as if that was up for debate)... Earlier someone said that the bible is not completely against murder. Rostos disagreed, so i posted that. So you see, the bible was at least AT SOME POINT okay with murder... But I know youll spin it any way you want and say that it doesnt count so whatever...
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    That is your interpretation. Theres nothing in the verse that says we shouldnt kill people anymore... You think youre giving an answer, but youre not. It's just what you THINK is the answer... And you don't even understand what i meant by the post, which makes me think youre not too bright (as if that was up for debate)... Earlier someone said that the bible is not completely against murder. Rostos disagreed, so i posted that. So you see, the bible was at least AT SOME POINT okay with murder... But I know youll spin it any way you want and say that it doesnt count so whatever...
     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2011 - 6:09 PM ET #1509

    Quote Originally Posted by Randisist:

    Drake,

    Specifically, what will heaven be like? Just curious, not judging...

     

     

    I would like to further continue on what heaven will be like in addition to what I've already said on pg. 57 post #1409 and on pg. 59 post #1469.

    Paradise is in God's kingdom of heaven. God is the light of heaven, the joy of heaven.

    The bible says, "The wall was made of jasper, and the city was pure gold, as clear as glass. The wall of the city ws built on foundation stones inlaid with twelve precious stones. The first was jasper, the second sapphire, the third agate, the fourth emerald, the fifth onyx, the sixth carnelian, the seventh erald, the eight beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth chrysoprase, the eleventh jacinth, the twelve amethyst. The twelve gates were made of pearls---each gate from a single pearl! And the main street was pure gold, as clear as glass" (Rev. 21:18-21

    All sorts of beautiful images come to mind when we mention heaven. More than anything else, heaven is a spiritual world where one spiritual being is in touch with another spiritual being and there is total communication and fellowship. Whatever we consider to be a joy here on earth will be heightened millions of times beyond anything we can conceive when we get to heaven. "No eye has seen no ear has heard, and no mind has imagined what God has prepared for those who love Him" (1 Cor. 2:9).

    In the Middle Ages philosophers talked about the "ultimate good." The ultimate good to them was being in the presence of God. That will be the greatest aspect of heaven. Those who are there will be in His immediate presence, in a way no one can possibly know this side of eternity.

    Being in God's presence will bring an intensity of delight that will far exceed anything we could know here on earth.

    "I heard a loud shout from the throne, saying, "Look, God's home is now among His people! He will live with them, and they will be His people. God Himself will be with them" (Rev. 21:3).

    The Bible says that those human beings who are fortunate enough to enter into heaven will actually judge angels (see I Corinthians 6:3). The fallen angels -- or demons -- will come before us and we will decide their fates. We do not know for certain what tasks we will be performing in heaven, but there will obviously be an ongoing, functioning universe. We will be God's messenger-agents in ordering and running it.

    We do know that we will be able to recognize our loved ones in heaven, and we will experience great joy over being reunited with them (see Luke 23:42-43, Hebrews 12:22-23). Your real self will live on in heaven, not some shadowy part of you. You will never feel so alive as when you enter into the heavenly city, the New Jerusalem God has prepared for the saints.

    There is also going to be an extension of man's mind beyond anything we could begin to understand now. There will be an opening of understanding into the secrets and mysteries of the universe. Furthermore, in heaven there will be no fear of any kind of evil, and God will provide magnificently for His people.

    What is heaven like? It is better than anything any human being could ever imagine when he tries to picture the best thing that could ever happen to him.

    God is good!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randisist:

    Drake,

    Specifically, what will heaven be like? Just curious, not judging...

     

     

    I would like to further continue on what heaven will be like in addition to what I've already said on pg. 57 post #1409 and on pg. 59 post #1469.

    Paradise is in God's kingdom of heaven. God is the light of heaven, the joy of heaven.

    The bible says, "The wall was made of jasper, and the city was pure gold, as clear as glass. The wall of the city ws built on foundation stones inlaid with twelve precious stones. The first was jasper, the second sapphire, the third agate, the fourth emerald, the fifth onyx, the sixth carnelian, the seventh erald, the eight beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth chrysoprase, the eleventh jacinth, the twelve amethyst. The twelve gates were made of pearls---each gate from a single pearl! And the main street was pure gold, as clear as glass" (Rev. 21:18-21

    All sorts of beautiful images come to mind when we mention heaven. More than anything else, heaven is a spiritual world where one spiritual being is in touch with another spiritual being and there is total communication and fellowship. Whatever we consider to be a joy here on earth will be heightened millions of times beyond anything we can conceive when we get to heaven. "No eye has seen no ear has heard, and no mind has imagined what God has prepared for those who love Him" (1 Cor. 2:9).

    In the Middle Ages philosophers talked about the "ultimate good." The ultimate good to them was being in the presence of God. That will be the greatest aspect of heaven. Those who are there will be in His immediate presence, in a way no one can possibly know this side of eternity.

    Being in God's presence will bring an intensity of delight that will far exceed anything we could know here on earth.

    "I heard a loud shout from the throne, saying, "Look, God's home is now among His people! He will live with them, and they will be His people. God Himself will be with them" (Rev. 21:3).

    The Bible says that those human beings who are fortunate enough to enter into heaven will actually judge angels (see I Corinthians 6:3). The fallen angels -- or demons -- will come before us and we will decide their fates. We do not know for certain what tasks we will be performing in heaven, but there will obviously be an ongoing, functioning universe. We will be God's messenger-agents in ordering and running it.

    We do know that we will be able to recognize our loved ones in heaven, and we will experience great joy over being reunited with them (see Luke 23:42-43, Hebrews 12:22-23). Your real self will live on in heaven, not some shadowy part of you. You will never feel so alive as when you enter into the heavenly city, the New Jerusalem God has prepared for the saints.

    There is also going to be an extension of man's mind beyond anything we could begin to understand now. There will be an opening of understanding into the secrets and mysteries of the universe. Furthermore, in heaven there will be no fear of any kind of evil, and God will provide magnificently for His people.

    What is heaven like? It is better than anything any human being could ever imagine when he tries to picture the best thing that could ever happen to him.

    God is good!!

     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2011 - 6:26 PM ET #1510

    Mikniks,

    You said "That is your interpretation. Theres nothing in the verse that says we shouldnt kill people anymore... You think youre giving an answer, but youre not. It's just what you THINK is the answer... And you don't even understand what i meant by the post, which makes me think youre not too bright (as if that was up for debate)... Earlier someone said that the bible is not completely against murder. Rostos disagreed, so i posted that. So you see, the bible was at least AT SOME POINT okay with murder... But I know youll spin it any way you want and say that it doesnt count so whatever..."

    This clearly isn't just SirJohnDrake's interpretation, but the ENTIRE evangelical Christians position "to not kill homosexuals or any human being for that matter".
    There is no legit, authentic evangelical Christian that has ever killed one homosexual or that carries out this practice in the 21st century.
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    Mikniks,

    You said "That is your interpretation. Theres nothing in the verse that says we shouldnt kill people anymore... You think youre giving an answer, but youre not. It's just what you THINK is the answer... And you don't even understand what i meant by the post, which makes me think youre not too bright (as if that was up for debate)... Earlier someone said that the bible is not completely against murder. Rostos disagreed, so i posted that. So you see, the bible was at least AT SOME POINT okay with murder... But I know youll spin it any way you want and say that it doesnt count so whatever..."

    This clearly isn't just SirJohnDrake's interpretation, but the ENTIRE evangelical Christians position "to not kill homosexuals or any human being for that matter".
    There is no legit, authentic evangelical Christian that has ever killed one homosexual or that carries out this practice in the 21st century.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

     

    I would like to further continue on what heaven will be like in addition to what I've already said on pg. 57 post #1409 and on pg. 59 post #1469.

    Paradise is in God's kingdom of heaven. God is the light of heaven, the joy of heaven. 

    The bible says, "The wall was made of jasper, and the city was pure gold, as clear as glass. The wall of the city ws built on foundation stones inlaid with twelve precious stones. The first was jasper, the second sapphire, the third agate, the fourth emerald, the fifth onyx, the sixth carnelian, the seventh erald, the eight beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth chrysoprase, the eleventh jacinth, the twelve amethyst. The twelve gates were made of pearls---each gate from a single pearl! And the main street was pure gold, as clear as glass" (Rev. 21:18-21

    All sorts of beautiful images come to mind when we mention heaven. More than anything else, heaven is a spiritual world where one spiritual being is in touch with another spiritual being and there is total communication and fellowship. Whatever we consider to be a joy here on earth will be heightened millions of times beyond anything we can conceive when we get to heaven. "No eye has seen no ear has heard, and no mind has imagined what God has prepared for those who love Him" (1 Cor. 2:9).

    In the Middle Ages philosophers talked about the "ultimate good." The ultimate good to them was being in the presence of God. That will be the greatest aspect of heaven. Those who are there will be in His immediate presence, in a way no one can possibly know this side of eternity.

    Being in God's presence will bring an intensity of delight that will far exceed anything we could know here on earth.

    "I heard a loud shout from the throne, saying, "Look, God's home is now among His people! He will live with them, and they will be His people. God Himself will be with them" (Rev. 21:3).

    The Bible says that those human beings who are fortunate enough to enter into heaven will actually judge angels

    (see I Corinthians 6:3). The fallen angels -- or demons -- will come before us and we will decide their fates. We do not know for certain what tasks we will be performing in heaven, but there will obviously be an ongoing, functioning universe. We will be God's messenger-agents in ordering and running it.

    We do know that we will be able to recognize our loved ones in heaven

    , and we will experience great joy over being reunited with them (see Luke 23:42-43, Hebrews 12:22-23). Your real self will live on in heaven, not some shadowy part of you. You will never feel so alive as when you enter into the heavenly city, the New Jerusalem God has prepared for the saints.

    There is also going to be an extension of man's mind beyond anything we could begin to understand now. There will be an opening of understanding into the secrets and mysteries of the universe. 

    Furthermore, in heaven there will be no fear of any kind of evil, and God will provide magnificently for His people.

    What is heaven like? It is better than anything any human being could ever imagine when he tries to picture the best thing that could ever happen to him.

    God is good!!


    sounds like something man made up...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

     

    I would like to further continue on what heaven will be like in addition to what I've already said on pg. 57 post #1409 and on pg. 59 post #1469.

    Paradise is in God's kingdom of heaven. God is the light of heaven, the joy of heaven. 

    The bible says, "The wall was made of jasper, and the city was pure gold, as clear as glass. The wall of the city ws built on foundation stones inlaid with twelve precious stones. The first was jasper, the second sapphire, the third agate, the fourth emerald, the fifth onyx, the sixth carnelian, the seventh erald, the eight beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth chrysoprase, the eleventh jacinth, the twelve amethyst. The twelve gates were made of pearls---each gate from a single pearl! And the main street was pure gold, as clear as glass" (Rev. 21:18-21

    All sorts of beautiful images come to mind when we mention heaven. More than anything else, heaven is a spiritual world where one spiritual being is in touch with another spiritual being and there is total communication and fellowship. Whatever we consider to be a joy here on earth will be heightened millions of times beyond anything we can conceive when we get to heaven. "No eye has seen no ear has heard, and no mind has imagined what God has prepared for those who love Him" (1 Cor. 2:9).

    In the Middle Ages philosophers talked about the "ultimate good." The ultimate good to them was being in the presence of God. That will be the greatest aspect of heaven. Those who are there will be in His immediate presence, in a way no one can possibly know this side of eternity.

    Being in God's presence will bring an intensity of delight that will far exceed anything we could know here on earth.

    "I heard a loud shout from the throne, saying, "Look, God's home is now among His people! He will live with them, and they will be His people. God Himself will be with them" (Rev. 21:3).

    The Bible says that those human beings who are fortunate enough to enter into heaven will actually judge angels

    (see I Corinthians 6:3). The fallen angels -- or demons -- will come before us and we will decide their fates. We do not know for certain what tasks we will be performing in heaven, but there will obviously be an ongoing, functioning universe. We will be God's messenger-agents in ordering and running it.

    We do know that we will be able to recognize our loved ones in heaven

    , and we will experience great joy over being reunited with them (see Luke 23:42-43, Hebrews 12:22-23). Your real self will live on in heaven, not some shadowy part of you. You will never feel so alive as when you enter into the heavenly city, the New Jerusalem God has prepared for the saints.

    There is also going to be an extension of man's mind beyond anything we could begin to understand now. There will be an opening of understanding into the secrets and mysteries of the universe. 

    Furthermore, in heaven there will be no fear of any kind of evil, and God will provide magnificently for His people.

    What is heaven like? It is better than anything any human being could ever imagine when he tries to picture the best thing that could ever happen to him.

    God is good!!


    sounds like something man made up...

     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2011 - 7:36 PM ET #1512

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


    So can I just live a shitty life and then repent on my death bed while I'm still alive?  Does that count??

    Can you determine the hour of your death? Nothing is so uncertain as life.

    "In a moment they die. In the middle of the night they pass away; the mighty are removed without human hand" (Job 34:20).

    God warns of presumption.

    "Look here, you who say, "Today or tomorrow we are going to a certain town and will stay there a year. We will do business there and make a profit." How do you know what your life will be like tomorrow? Your life is like the morning fog---it's here a little while, then it's gone. What you ought to say is, "If the Lord wants us to, we will live and do this or that" Otherwise you are boasting about your own plans, and all such boasting is evil. Remember, it is sin to know what you ought to do and then not do it" (James 4:13-17).

    "Not everyone who calls out to me, "Lord! Lord! will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter. On judgment day many will say to me, "Lord! Lord! We prophesized in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name. But I will reply, I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God's laws." ---Matthew 7:21-23

    So after all these passages I have given you, one would think it will be too late to repent on your death bed and besides as I have said nothing is so uncertain as life, here today but gone tomorrow, the point is the sooner you repent the better off you are to be saved....understand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


    So can I just live a shitty life and then repent on my death bed while I'm still alive?  Does that count??

    Can you determine the hour of your death? Nothing is so uncertain as life.

    "In a moment they die. In the middle of the night they pass away; the mighty are removed without human hand" (Job 34:20).

    God warns of presumption.

    "Look here, you who say, "Today or tomorrow we are going to a certain town and will stay there a year. We will do business there and make a profit." How do you know what your life will be like tomorrow? Your life is like the morning fog---it's here a little while, then it's gone. What you ought to say is, "If the Lord wants us to, we will live and do this or that" Otherwise you are boasting about your own plans, and all such boasting is evil. Remember, it is sin to know what you ought to do and then not do it" (James 4:13-17).

    "Not everyone who calls out to me, "Lord! Lord! will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter. On judgment day many will say to me, "Lord! Lord! We prophesized in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name. But I will reply, I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God's laws." ---Matthew 7:21-23

    So after all these passages I have given you, one would think it will be too late to repent on your death bed and besides as I have said nothing is so uncertain as life, here today but gone tomorrow, the point is the sooner you repent the better off you are to be saved....understand?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by matt4000:

    Mikniks,

    You said "That is your interpretation. Theres nothing in the verse that says we shouldnt kill people anymore... You think youre giving an answer, but youre not. It's just what you THINK is the answer... And you don't even understand what i meant by the post, which makes me think youre not too bright (as if that was up for debate)... Earlier someone said that the bible is not completely against murder. Rostos disagreed, so i posted that. So you see, the bible was at least AT SOME POINT okay with murder... But I know youll spin it any way you want and say that it doesnt count so whatever..."

    This clearly isn't just SirJohnDrake's interpretation, but the ENTIRE evangelical Christians position "to not kill homosexuals or any human being for that matter".
    There is no legit, authentic evangelical Christian that has ever killed one homosexual or that carries out this practice in the 21st century.

    A lot of people think something so it must be true...
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    Quote Originally Posted by matt4000:

    Mikniks,

    You said "That is your interpretation. Theres nothing in the verse that says we shouldnt kill people anymore... You think youre giving an answer, but youre not. It's just what you THINK is the answer... And you don't even understand what i meant by the post, which makes me think youre not too bright (as if that was up for debate)... Earlier someone said that the bible is not completely against murder. Rostos disagreed, so i posted that. So you see, the bible was at least AT SOME POINT okay with murder... But I know youll spin it any way you want and say that it doesnt count so whatever..."

    This clearly isn't just SirJohnDrake's interpretation, but the ENTIRE evangelical Christians position "to not kill homosexuals or any human being for that matter".
    There is no legit, authentic evangelical Christian that has ever killed one homosexual or that carries out this practice in the 21st century.

    A lot of people think something so it must be true...
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by matt4000:

    Mikniks,

    You said "That is your interpretation. Theres nothing in the verse that says we shouldnt kill people anymore... You think youre giving an answer, but youre not. It's just what you THINK is the answer... And you don't even understand what i meant by the post, which makes me think youre not too bright (as if that was up for debate)... Earlier someone said that the bible is not completely against murder. Rostos disagreed, so i posted that. So you see, the bible was at least AT SOME POINT okay with murder... But I know youll spin it any way you want and say that it doesnt count so whatever..."

    This clearly isn't just SirJohnDrake's interpretation, but the ENTIRE evangelical Christians position "to not kill homosexuals or any human being for that matter".
    There is no legit, authentic evangelical Christian that has ever killed one homosexual or that carries out this practice in the 21st century.

    Reply
    Quote Originally Posted by matt4000:

    Mikniks,

    You said "That is your interpretation. Theres nothing in the verse that says we shouldnt kill people anymore... You think youre giving an answer, but youre not. It's just what you THINK is the answer... And you don't even understand what i meant by the post, which makes me think youre not too bright (as if that was up for debate)... Earlier someone said that the bible is not completely against murder. Rostos disagreed, so i posted that. So you see, the bible was at least AT SOME POINT okay with murder... But I know youll spin it any way you want and say that it doesnt count so whatever..."

    This clearly isn't just SirJohnDrake's interpretation, but the ENTIRE evangelical Christians position "to not kill homosexuals or any human being for that matter".
    There is no legit, authentic evangelical Christian that has ever killed one homosexual or that carries out this practice in the 21st century.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2011 - 8:22 PM ET #1515

    QUOTE Originally Posted by Mikniks:

    So can I just live a shitty life and then repent on my death bed while I'm still alive?  Does that count??

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    What were you doing while attending Catholic school for those 15 years? Seems like you didn't retain anything you learned. You should know the answers to the questions you ask.

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    QUOTE Originally Posted by Mikniks:

    So can I just live a shitty life and then repent on my death bed while I'm still alive?  Does that count??

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    What were you doing while attending Catholic school for those 15 years? Seems like you didn't retain anything you learned. You should know the answers to the questions you ask.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2011 - 9:04 PM ET #1516

    since there is no such thing as sin, and it's just a silly concept that your idiotic religion made up.. no I can't sin.

    Ihave done good things and some bad i'm sure.. what does this have to do with BEING BORN GUILTY?!@?!?!?!?!?!?

    remember 'original sin' dumbass?

     

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    since there is no such thing as sin, and it's just a silly concept that your idiotic religion made up.. no I can't sin.

    Ihave done good things and some bad i'm sure.. what does this have to do with BEING BORN GUILTY?!@?!?!?!?!?!?

    remember 'original sin' dumbass?

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2011 - 9:07 PM ET #1517

    and does it not say that whoever calls his name will be saved?

    another bible contradiction? nooooo... say it ain't so!

     

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    and does it not say that whoever calls his name will be saved?

    another bible contradiction? nooooo... say it ain't so!

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 6, 2011 - 9:14 AM ET #1518

    Christianity is a self-involved, self-congratulatory parasitic belief which finds it easy to substitute ritual, and endless self-reflection, in place of practical action to address the needs of us all.
    I'd rather be playing D&D.
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    Christianity is a self-involved, self-congratulatory parasitic belief which finds it easy to substitute ritual, and endless self-reflection, in place of practical action to address the needs of us all.
     
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    If you don't accept Jesus Christ as your Lor and Saviour and repent of the sins you have committed you will go to HELL and be my guest if you want to go there or spend eternity in the Kingom of God in heaven.Hell is not where you want to spend eternity,trust me.live it up on earth while you can idiots
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    If you don't accept Jesus Christ as your Lor and Saviour and repent of the sins you have committed you will go to HELL and be my guest if you want to go there or spend eternity in the Kingom of God in heaven.Hell is not where you want to spend eternity,trust me.live it up on earth while you can idiots
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by pardo3:

    If you don't accept Jesus Christ as your Lor and Saviour and repent of the sins you have committed you will go to HELL and be my guest if you want to go there or spend eternity in the Kingom of God in heaven.Hell is not where you want to spend eternity,trust me.live it up on earth while you can idiots


    What happens in heaven? Does the soul simply exist without task and accomplishment?

    If heaven is the ultimate accomplishment... Is there a reward that we as mere mortals can understand?

    We as mere mortals strive for accomplishment and the satisfaction of that accomplishment is the greatest feeling of all. It is hard for me to wrap my mind around an existence that does not have challenges and rewards. Does heaven have challenges and rewards are is there just existence of soul and if so how is that a reward? 
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    Quote Originally Posted by pardo3:

    If you don't accept Jesus Christ as your Lor and Saviour and repent of the sins you have committed you will go to HELL and be my guest if you want to go there or spend eternity in the Kingom of God in heaven.Hell is not where you want to spend eternity,trust me.live it up on earth while you can idiots


    What happens in heaven? Does the soul simply exist without task and accomplishment?

    If heaven is the ultimate accomplishment... Is there a reward that we as mere mortals can understand?

    We as mere mortals strive for accomplishment and the satisfaction of that accomplishment is the greatest feeling of all. It is hard for me to wrap my mind around an existence that does not have challenges and rewards. Does heaven have challenges and rewards are is there just existence of soul and if so how is that a reward? 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 6, 2011 - 12:13 PM ET #1521

    Quote Originally Posted by Randisist:



    What happens in heaven? Does the soul simply exist without task and accomplishment?

    If heaven is the ultimate accomplishment... Is there a reward that we as mere mortals can understand?

    We as mere mortals strive for accomplishment and the satisfaction of that accomplishment is the greatest feeling of all. It is hard for me to wrap my mind around an existence that does not have challenges and rewards. Does heaven have challenges and rewards are is there just existence of soul and if so how is that a reward? 
    ? about heaven I know that is where my soul is going for eternity and I know that it is not the streets of gold and mansions like people believe, it is being with God ffor eternity in a wonderful place and this is not mythology you sayiong you are a mortal, you are ahuman being whom God made in his liking, it is up to you how you live on this earth for him and follow what the word says=the Bible...read it and see what it says. You sound like the Christian way is like the Mormon way of believing=doing tasks onearth to earn your way into heaven which is not the case in Christianity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randisist:



    What happens in heaven? Does the soul simply exist without task and accomplishment?

    If heaven is the ultimate accomplishment... Is there a reward that we as mere mortals can understand?

    We as mere mortals strive for accomplishment and the satisfaction of that accomplishment is the greatest feeling of all. It is hard for me to wrap my mind around an existence that does not have challenges and rewards. Does heaven have challenges and rewards are is there just existence of soul and if so how is that a reward? 
    ? about heaven I know that is where my soul is going for eternity and I know that it is not the streets of gold and mansions like people believe, it is being with God ffor eternity in a wonderful place and this is not mythology you sayiong you are a mortal, you are ahuman being whom God made in his liking, it is up to you how you live on this earth for him and follow what the word says=the Bible...read it and see what it says. You sound like the Christian way is like the Mormon way of believing=doing tasks onearth to earn your way into heaven which is not the case in Christianity.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 6, 2011 - 1:54 PM ET #1522

    Quote Originally Posted by pardo3:

    ? about heaven I know that is where my soul is going for eternity and I know that it is not the streets of gold and mansions like people believe, it is being with God ffor eternity in a wonderful place and this is not mythology you sayiong you are a mortal, you are ahuman being whom God made in his liking, it is up to you how you live on this earth for him and follow what the word says=the Bible...read it and see what it says. You sound like the Christian way is like the Mormon way of believing=doing tasks onearth to earn your way into heaven which is not the case in Christianity.


    You stated two two things:

    1. your soul goes to heaven for eternity
    2. you spend eternity in the presence of God

    I am trying to understand... What does the soul do in heaven other than exist in the presence of God?

    Two thoughts come to mind:

    1. Boring beyond conception...
    2. Torture... What gives me and most people I know existence is mental stimulation...

    For someone to know they are in the presence of God implies a presence of mind. And to exist for eternity just existing locked in your own mind with no stimulation is not what I would term as heaven.

    Heaven is a Very Major part of why people are religious. Heaven is the carrot used to control behavior. If you want to go to heaven you will do this, this and this...

    I am not disputing heaven and hell exist. I am not belittling your beliefs. Your right to practice your religion is something Americans have fought and died for.

    My curiosity is simple: What does the soul do in heaven other than exist in the presence of God?



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    Quote Originally Posted by pardo3:

    ? about heaven I know that is where my soul is going for eternity and I know that it is not the streets of gold and mansions like people believe, it is being with God ffor eternity in a wonderful place and this is not mythology you sayiong you are a mortal, you are ahuman being whom God made in his liking, it is up to you how you live on this earth for him and follow what the word says=the Bible...read it and see what it says. You sound like the Christian way is like the Mormon way of believing=doing tasks onearth to earn your way into heaven which is not the case in Christianity.


    You stated two two things:

    1. your soul goes to heaven for eternity
    2. you spend eternity in the presence of God

    I am trying to understand... What does the soul do in heaven other than exist in the presence of God?

    Two thoughts come to mind:

    1. Boring beyond conception...
    2. Torture... What gives me and most people I know existence is mental stimulation...

    For someone to know they are in the presence of God implies a presence of mind. And to exist for eternity just existing locked in your own mind with no stimulation is not what I would term as heaven.

    Heaven is a Very Major part of why people are religious. Heaven is the carrot used to control behavior. If you want to go to heaven you will do this, this and this...

    I am not disputing heaven and hell exist. I am not belittling your beliefs. Your right to practice your religion is something Americans have fought and died for.

    My curiosity is simple: What does the soul do in heaven other than exist in the presence of God?



     
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    Posted: Dec. 6, 2011 - 2:59 PM ET #1523

    Quote Originally Posted by pardo3:

    ? about heaven I know that is where my soul is going for eternity and I know that it is not the streets of gold and mansions like people believe, it is being with God ffor eternity in a wonderful place and this is not mythology you sayiong you are a mortal, you are ahuman being whom God made in his liking, it is up to you how you live on this earth for him and follow what the word says=the Bible...read it and see what it says. You sound like the Christian way is like the Mormon way of believing=doing tasks onearth to earn your way into heaven which is not the case in Christianity.


    You KNOW youre going there??  No you don't.  You BELIEVE you're going there, which is fine...  Just dont mix up KNOW and BELIEVE...  No one KNOWS that heaven exists...
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    Quote Originally Posted by pardo3:

    ? about heaven I know that is where my soul is going for eternity and I know that it is not the streets of gold and mansions like people believe, it is being with God ffor eternity in a wonderful place and this is not mythology you sayiong you are a mortal, you are ahuman being whom God made in his liking, it is up to you how you live on this earth for him and follow what the word says=the Bible...read it and see what it says. You sound like the Christian way is like the Mormon way of believing=doing tasks onearth to earn your way into heaven which is not the case in Christianity.


    You KNOW youre going there??  No you don't.  You BELIEVE you're going there, which is fine...  Just dont mix up KNOW and BELIEVE...  No one KNOWS that heaven exists...
     
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    Posted: Dec. 6, 2011 - 4:07 PM ET #1524

    Glad I could give you all something to get pissed off about today
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    Glad I could give you all something to get pissed off about today
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by pardo3:

    Glad I could give you all something to get pissed off about today


    I'm not pissed off at all...  Just want to make sure you're using the correct verbiage, because no one can KNOW anything...
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    Quote Originally Posted by pardo3:

    Glad I could give you all something to get pissed off about today


    I'm not pissed off at all...  Just want to make sure you're using the correct verbiage, because no one can KNOW anything...
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