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Rostos

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Posted: Dec. 4, 2011 - 5:44 AM ET #1476

Quote Originally Posted by Randisist:

Wording is everything... And yes I have absolute faith that at one time ,a man, who went by Jesus Christ existed. And I also believe that fate has afforded that mans propaganda to be propagated.

Fate afforded, the man, Jesus Christ the good fortune of having the right followers at the time, followers not only with the strongest faith, but also:
1. the intellect to know how to spread the faith.
2. money to spread the faith.
3. influence/high social placement to influence the lesser in status to become believers.

And when threatened with persecution and death, they maintained they saw and spoke with the risen Christ.

If i had death staring me in the face because of a lie, i would NOT maintain that lie.

If you were threatened with death, would you maintain a lie especally if you were trying to maintain something - someone that was already dead? Have a good think about it.

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Posted: Dec. 4, 2011 - 8:13 AM ET #1477

Ever notice that if a rich televangelist or a US president has spoken with God and know what Gods will is they are enlightened and respected... BUT if the homeless guy on the corner communicates with God he is crazy as a loon???

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Posted: Dec. 4, 2011 - 9:54 AM ET #1478

A link to some sympathetic web site doesn't count. My point being made, real knowledge is hard work, not a google link jack ass. If you think this is what passes as peer reviewed, scientific work you are a bigger idiot then I thought.

I'd rather be playing D&D.

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Posted: Dec. 4, 2011 - 9:57 AM ET #1479

Children are not punished for the sins committed by their parents; neither are parents punished for the sins of their children.

yet I am born WITH sin.. (according to your xian mythology)

the sins of others get transferred down to me..

and I have to go through life being sorry for it & beg every day to be forgiven and do as the dear leader(s) say or receive the highest degree of torture.

a sick and disgusting idea..

but that fits perfectly with the kind of being this yahweh character is.. a real fucking piece of shit.

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Posted: Dec. 4, 2011 - 9:59 AM ET #1480

the other jackass just said he'd be pissed if he had to pay for something his great grandfather did.. but has absolutely 0 problems with his psychotic skydaddy who is doing the exact same thing, pinning the blame on you.

lmfao.. typical brainwashed moron.

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Posted: Dec. 4, 2011 - 9:59 AM ET #1481

Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

And when threatened with persecution and death, they maintained they saw and spoke with the risen Christ.

If i had death staring me in the face because of a lie, i would NOT maintain that lie.

If you were threatened with death, would you maintain a lie especally if you were trying to maintain something - someone that was already dead? Have a good think about it.

This only proves people will die for their beliefs. A willingness to die for ones beliefs does not prove the fact of those same beliefs. It just shows you are willing to die for them. Being willing to do something, anything does not make the belief motivating the person/animal any more true. You are really stupid. This must be the attraction to this myth for you, relieving the burden of thinking for oneself.

I'd rather be playing D&D.

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Posted: Dec. 4, 2011 - 10:08 AM ET #1482

Their is a gripping interview on NPR with a woman who survived the genocide in RWanda. As a little girl, she lived for days, crawling on her belly avoiding capture, and protecting her even younger sister.

A very bright woman, and well versed in human behavior. When discussing the actual atrocities her anger at the adults who would do nothing but work hard at prayer for deliverence. Their attempts to pray right, to pray better, that there must be something wrong with the way they prayed that such horror was about to descend on them.

As a ten year old girl she could see through the nonsense of this shit amongst real life.

I also love how the christian faith has for hundreds of years killed, forced seperations of families, and cruelly stomped out any remnants of indigenious culture wherever "christ" has been brought.

England did not stop the forced removal of indiginous children from their parents until 1973. All run by the christian missions to breed the black out of them.

I'd rather be playing D&D.

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Posted: Dec. 4, 2011 - 10:12 AM ET #1483

Quote Originally Posted by matt4000:

jagerfury,

You stated "List them. Give me a list of current historical scholars, and cite their major, peer reviewed work that gives factual, historical information that an empty cave proves the reality of a super being walking amongst us (no not Tebow). I doubt out of the hundreds of thousands of historical scholars that you will end up with a higher number than would look at your statement as incorrect through, and through."

A simple search on the internet will give you hundreds of pages of scholars that believe in the historical account of Christ.

Interestingly doing a quick search I found this at cha-cha answers site...

QUESTION

What percentage of historical scholars believe Jesus Christ existed?

ANSWER

82 percent of historical scholars believe that Jesus Christ, the man, existed.

https://www.chacha.com/question/what-percentage-of-historical-scholars-believe-jesus-christ-existed

I found it on the internet, it must be true. You have got to be kidding me!

You mean it only takes the internet to get you to believe in utter nonsense? Wow! Good luck with your navel ga

I'd rather be playing D&D.

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Posted: Dec. 4, 2011 - 10:19 AM ET #1484

...and still none of this has addressed the original question, dying for others is common amongst humans beyond the protection instinct for your young. It happens routinely every day. There are people in Syria, and Egypt today being gunned down in the streets for desiring equal civil rights, even for something as grandious as "eternal life".

I mean, what isn't at the bottom of every advertisement but the promise of "eternal life". It is the oldest sales pitch in the book. And it is used for good reason, undisciplined minds suck it up like heroin.

I'd rather be playing D&D.

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Posted: Dec. 4, 2011 - 5:06 PM ET #1485

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Originally Posted by jagerfury:

A story. You even say it yourself, it's a story. You sir, are an idiot.
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Have you a lot of trouble in comprehending what you read?...lol

Those stories are the parables that Jesus used when speaking to the crowds or to his disciples.

In fact, he never spoke to the crowds without using such parables. They have a hidden meaning and I explained what the meanings were of the two stories or parables coming from Jesus in my last post.

Do you know what a parable is?

C'mon think before you call other people names that in actuality suits you better...lol

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Posted: Dec. 4, 2011 - 6:56 PM ET #1486

Quote Originally Posted by jagerfury:

A link to some sympathetic web site doesn't count. My point being made, real knowledge is hard work, not a google link jack ass. If you think this is what passes as peer reviewed, scientific work you are a bigger idiot then I thought.

SEARCH all yourself, you will FIND the majority of historical scholars believed the historicity of Jesus Christ and the emtpy tomb.

If the results dont suit your argument that is NOT my problem.

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Posted: Dec. 4, 2011 - 6:57 PM ET #1487

Quote Originally Posted by JasonBay:

Children are not punished for the sins committed by their parents; neither are parents punished for the sins of their children.

yet I am born WITH sin.. (according to your xian mythology)

the sins of others get transferred down to me..

and I have to go through life being sorry for it & beg every day to be forgiven and do as the dear leader(s) say or receive the highest degree of torture.

a sick and disgusting idea..

but that fits perfectly with the kind of being this yahweh character is.. a real fucking piece of shit.

You NEVER answered my question.

is it PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE for you NOT to sin?

Just a yes or no?

Dont blame others for your downfall.

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Posted: Dec. 4, 2011 - 7:02 PM ET #1488

Quote Originally Posted by jagerfury:

This only proves people will die for their beliefs. A willingness to die for ones beliefs does not prove the fact of those same beliefs. It just shows you are willing to die for them. Being willing to do something, anything does not make the belief motivating the person/animal any more true. You are really stupid. This must be the attraction to this myth for you, relieving the burden of thinking for oneself.

So if people KNOW for a FACT that what they are saying is a LIE, they are willing to die for that LIE especially when they are threatened at "gun point" to say a term? I dont think so.

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Posted: Dec. 4, 2011 - 7:05 PM ET #1489

If i was living around the time of Christ and NEVER saw, talked and touched the risen Christ, and i knew FOR A FACT that he never rose, ie, i knew that the body was stolen or something like that, there is no way i would die for a lie, i think you will find NO one will do it, unless they had some serious mental problems.

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Posted: Dec. 4, 2011 - 7:11 PM ET #1490

Quote Originally Posted by jagerfury:

Their is a gripping interview on NPR with a woman who survived the genocide in RWanda. As a little girl, she lived for days, crawling on her belly avoiding capture, and protecting her even younger sister.

A very bright woman, and well versed in human behavior. When discussing the actual atrocities her anger at the adults who would do nothing but work hard at prayer for deliverence. Their attempts to pray right, to pray better, that there must be something wrong with the way they prayed that such horror was about to descend on them.

As a ten year old girl she could see through the nonsense of this shit amongst real life.

What does this have to do with anything? All what this proves is that the little girl doesnt have faith. Big whoop. But what about the saints who have healed cancers, tunours etc etc. oh but wait, it wasnt God who did that, it just happened by medical chance. if it doesnt work, then you will say i told you, then if it did work, ie, healing of sick, you will say it was just a medical coincidence.

I also love how the christian faith has for hundreds of years killed, forced seperations of families, and cruelly stomped out any remnants of indigenious culture wherever "christ" has been brought.

England did not stop the forced removal of indiginous children from their parents until 1973. All run by the christian missions to breed the black out of them.

2 things,

1, where did i say Christians were sin free or perfect human beings? Where? As if the behaviour of modern Chrsitians proves / disproves wether God exists or not......

2. Atheists are the BIGGEST mass murders in the history of humanity by a MILE. Nothing comes close.

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Posted: Dec. 4, 2011 - 7:32 PM ET #1491

Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

For the last time, people do not kill in the name of atheism....you sound like a moron...

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Posted: Dec. 4, 2011 - 7:38 PM ET #1492

Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

It's because they are confused and yeah it's pretty funny indeed!...lol

sdj

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Posted: Dec. 4, 2011 - 8:09 PM ET #1493

A Christian does not pray or worship a cross. If you go to a Christian church you will never see a Cross anywhere. Just like we don't praise Jesus's mother Mary.

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Posted: Dec. 4, 2011 - 8:15 PM ET #1494

Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:

For the last time, people do not kill in the name of atheism....you sound like a moron...

And when Chrsitianity teaches "thou shall not kill", does NOT mean if a Christian kills it is because of their religion.

Morality is relative in atheism, so while atheism, obviously doesnt teach to murder like Christianity doesnt, it is NOT absolutely wrong to murder under atheism, it is under Christianity.

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Posted: Dec. 4, 2011 - 8:17 PM ET #1495

Quote Originally Posted by jeffmcle:

A Christian does not pray or worship a cross. If you go to a Christian church you will never see a Cross anywhere. Just like we don't praise Jesus's mother Mary.

Oh dear

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Posted: Dec. 4, 2011 - 8:19 PM ET #1496

Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:

sdj

rostos

Are you in grade 5?

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Posted: Dec. 4, 2011 - 8:41 PM ET #1497

Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

And when Chrsitianity teaches "thou shall not kill", does NOT mean if a Christian kills it is because of their religion.

No, but when people kill in the name of their religion, it is because of that religion...

Morality is relative in atheism, so while atheism, obviously doesnt teach to murder like Christianity doesnt, it is NOT absolutely wrong to murder under atheism, it is under Christianity.

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Posted: Dec. 4, 2011 - 8:43 PM ET #1498

Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

Are you in grade 5?

do you and sjd have to kiss each others butts all the time?

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Posted: Dec. 4, 2011 - 8:47 PM ET #1499

Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:

Christianity

"Thou shall not murder"

Jesus "Love one another"

Yeah, i really derive murdering others from those 2 central Christianity statements......

Under atheism, murder is NOT ABSOLUTELY WRONG.

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Posted: Dec. 4, 2011 - 8:56 PM ET #1500

Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

Christianity

"Thou shall not murder"

Jesus "Love one another"

Yeah, i really derive murdering others from those 2 central Christianity statements......

Under atheism, murder is NOT ABSOLUTELY WRONG.

Under "The bible", murder is NOT ABSOLUTELY WRONG...

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