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    If Christ died on the cross for all of humanity

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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2011 - 9:45 PM ET #1451

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


    So can I just live a shitty life and then repent on my death bed while I'm still alive?  Does that count??

    We arent the judge, we cant answer that. We know the rules, and you do YOUR BEST to abide by them. But dont get involved in judging others, because we arent the judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


    So can I just live a shitty life and then repent on my death bed while I'm still alive?  Does that count??

    We arent the judge, we cant answer that. We know the rules, and you do YOUR BEST to abide by them. But dont get involved in judging others, because we arent the judge.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2011 - 9:48 PM ET #1452

    Quote Originally Posted by JasonBay:

    we aren't talking about the death of your pretend savior.

    your fake skydaddy is putting the guilt on us from birth for the supposed wrong doings of members from some ancient foreign tribe.

    now again... if we could trace back a few generations and prove that your great grandfather murdered someone and this person had family members alive right now, should you have to pay them reparations? don't think you'd like that now would ya retard?

    a disgusting and ridiculous concept isn't it?

    and yet that's exactly what your not so loving fake skydaddy is doing.

    What ARE YOU talking about? What are you smoking, nothing you say is making sense, NOTHING.

    How are you relating if my great grandfather murdered someone that i am paying for it, how are you relating this to Jesus?

    I am totally confised with what you are trying to say...

    SJD, do you understand what he is trying to say?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonBay:

    we aren't talking about the death of your pretend savior.

    your fake skydaddy is putting the guilt on us from birth for the supposed wrong doings of members from some ancient foreign tribe.

    now again... if we could trace back a few generations and prove that your great grandfather murdered someone and this person had family members alive right now, should you have to pay them reparations? don't think you'd like that now would ya retard?

    a disgusting and ridiculous concept isn't it?

    and yet that's exactly what your not so loving fake skydaddy is doing.

    What ARE YOU talking about? What are you smoking, nothing you say is making sense, NOTHING.

    How are you relating if my great grandfather murdered someone that i am paying for it, how are you relating this to Jesus?

    I am totally confised with what you are trying to say...

    SJD, do you understand what he is trying to say?

     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2011 - 9:49 PM ET #1453

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:



    You're worse than Rostos.  Maybe what he did can be considered committing suicide.  He knew people would kill him if he continued on his path.  That's essentially euthanasia, no?  He basically asked to be killed...

    No, you are wrong because he didn't commit any crimes or any sins and so he was unjustly put to death so your argument that he basically asked to be killed is flawed.

    Remember now you are the atheist who don't know anything about the scripture and so how dare you challenge us Christians on the scripture.

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:



    You're worse than Rostos.  Maybe what he did can be considered committing suicide.  He knew people would kill him if he continued on his path.  That's essentially euthanasia, no?  He basically asked to be killed...

    No, you are wrong because he didn't commit any crimes or any sins and so he was unjustly put to death so your argument that he basically asked to be killed is flawed.

    Remember now you are the atheist who don't know anything about the scripture and so how dare you challenge us Christians on the scripture.

     

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2011 - 9:49 PM ET #1454

    uhhhh...

    what don't you get...

    i already said

    WE WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT YOUR PRETEND SAVIOR..

     

    WE ARE TALKING ABOUT YOUR PSYCHOTIC FATHER

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    uhhhh...

    what don't you get...

    i already said

    WE WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT YOUR PRETEND SAVIOR..

     

    WE ARE TALKING ABOUT YOUR PSYCHOTIC FATHER

     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2011 - 9:49 PM ET #1455

    of course you are confused... you are a brainwashed buffoon.
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    of course you are confused... you are a brainwashed buffoon.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2011 - 9:50 PM ET #1456

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    you went to a catholic schoool for 15 years? Looks like you didnt pay much attention.



    Kindergarten to high school senior is 15 years.  It's actually 16 because my preschool was Catholic as well...  I did pay attention.  Like I said, the more I learned, the more illogical it all became...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    you went to a catholic schoool for 15 years? Looks like you didnt pay much attention.



    Kindergarten to high school senior is 15 years.  It's actually 16 because my preschool was Catholic as well...  I did pay attention.  Like I said, the more I learned, the more illogical it all became...
     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2011 - 9:52 PM ET #1457

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    No, you are wrong because he didn't commit any crimes or any sins and so he was unjustly put to death so your argument that he basically asked to be killed is flawed.

    Remember now you are the atheist who don't know anything about the scripture and so how dare you challenge us Christians on the scripture.

     

     



    So if a person is atheist, it means they don't know anything about the scriptures?  Do you see how dumb you sound?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    No, you are wrong because he didn't commit any crimes or any sins and so he was unjustly put to death so your argument that he basically asked to be killed is flawed.

    Remember now you are the atheist who don't know anything about the scripture and so how dare you challenge us Christians on the scripture.

     

     



    So if a person is atheist, it means they don't know anything about the scriptures?  Do you see how dumb you sound?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2011 - 9:52 PM ET #1458

    hey if you call on his name you will be saved! lmfao.

    so if you just shouted it like 2 seconds before you die, you'd wind up in the same place as these morons who have wasted their whole lives kissing their asses.

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    hey if you call on his name you will be saved! lmfao.

    so if you just shouted it like 2 seconds before you die, you'd wind up in the same place as these morons who have wasted their whole lives kissing their asses.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2011 - 9:53 PM ET #1459

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    SJD, do you understand what he is trying to say?

    No, because he is posting a gibberish language...lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    SJD, do you understand what he is trying to say?

    No, because he is posting a gibberish language...lol

     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2011 - 9:54 PM ET #1460

    Quote Originally Posted by JasonBay:

    hey if you call on his name you will be saved! lmfao.

    so if you just shouted it like 2 seconds before you die, you'd wind up in the same place as these morons who have wasted their whole lives kissing their asses.

    I am not the judge, neither are you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonBay:

    hey if you call on his name you will be saved! lmfao.

    so if you just shouted it like 2 seconds before you die, you'd wind up in the same place as these morons who have wasted their whole lives kissing their asses.

    I am not the judge, neither are you.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2011 - 9:55 PM ET #1461

    funny,i start the discussion off with..

     'we aren't talking about your pretend savior'

    and then what do i get?

    how are you relating this to my jesus!?!?! i don't understand..

    lmfao... MORONS

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    funny,i start the discussion off with..

     'we aren't talking about your pretend savior'

    and then what do i get?

    how are you relating this to my jesus!?!?! i don't understand..

    lmfao... MORONS

     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2011 - 9:56 PM ET #1462

    your unholy book says if we call his name we'll be saved..

    is your unholy book lying?

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    your unholy book says if we call his name we'll be saved..

    is your unholy book lying?

     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2011 - 9:56 PM ET #1463

    Quote Originally Posted by JasonBay:

    uhhhh...

    what don't you get...

    i already said

    WE WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT YOUR PRETEND SAVIOR..

     

    WE ARE TALKING ABOUT YOUR PSYCHOTIC FATHER

    If a physocitc great grandfather did something and now i am paying for it, yes i would be upset and livid, what does that got to do with what we are discussing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonBay:

    uhhhh...

    what don't you get...

    i already said

    WE WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT YOUR PRETEND SAVIOR..

     

    WE ARE TALKING ABOUT YOUR PSYCHOTIC FATHER

    If a physocitc great grandfather did something and now i am paying for it, yes i would be upset and livid, what does that got to do with what we are discussing?

     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2011 - 9:57 PM ET #1464

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:



    So if a person is atheist, it means they don't know anything about the scriptures?  Do you see how dumb you sound?

    You already showed you don't know the scripture by what you said and so I my point is validated concerning you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:



    So if a person is atheist, it means they don't know anything about the scriptures?  Do you see how dumb you sound?

    You already showed you don't know the scripture by what you said and so I my point is validated concerning you.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2011 - 9:57 PM ET #1465

    I won't..because if this asshole father of yours exists and is exactly as described, then he's the biggest piece of shit to ever exist.

    wouldn't want anything to do with the fucking psycho...

    but just using it as an example for mikniks.

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    I won't..because if this asshole father of yours exists and is exactly as described, then he's the biggest piece of shit to ever exist.

    wouldn't want anything to do with the fucking psycho...

    but just using it as an example for mikniks.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2011 - 10:00 PM ET #1466

    um why the fuck do i have to lay this out again...

    we are talking about yahweh/jehovah whatever the fuck you want to call the original prick..

    he's the one that is holding us responsible for the actions of others and holding us 'guilty' from birth.

    now I asked if an ancestor of yours committed crimes, do you think you should have to pay reparations to their decendents right now? quit the fucking tapdance, i'm sick of it.

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    um why the fuck do i have to lay this out again...

    we are talking about yahweh/jehovah whatever the fuck you want to call the original prick..

    he's the one that is holding us responsible for the actions of others and holding us 'guilty' from birth.

    now I asked if an ancestor of yours committed crimes, do you think you should have to pay reparations to their decendents right now? quit the fucking tapdance, i'm sick of it.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2011 - 10:02 PM ET #1467

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    You already showed you don't know the scripture by what you said and so I my point is validated concerning you.


    What did I say that was false?  Jesus knew what was going to happen, did he not?  And I said he continued on the same path to death, which he did...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    You already showed you don't know the scripture by what you said and so I my point is validated concerning you.


    What did I say that was false?  Jesus knew what was going to happen, did he not?  And I said he continued on the same path to death, which he did...
     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2011 - 11:47 PM ET #1468

    Quote Originally Posted by Randisist:

    Drake,

    Specifically, what will heaven be like?

    Just curious, not judging...

    I would like to continue on what heaven is like in addition to what I've already said on post #1409 pg. 57.

    Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ, "The kingdom of heaven is like a treasure hidden in the field, which a man found and hid; and from joy over it he goes and sells all that he has, and buys that field. Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant seeking fine pearls, and upon finding one pearl of great value, he went and sold all that he had, and bought it" (Matt. 13:44-46).

    The kingdom of heaven is pictured as a treasure in these two parables.

    The first parable tells us that some stumble onto the treasure by chance. The second says some are prepared by training to find it and will actively seek it.

     Both stories agree that, when His kingdom is found, there is but one entrance, one key---sacrifice. Finder's Keepers only if the finder abandons all else.

    This means recognizing that the vital, transforming experience of Christ is worth more than anything else in the world. Further, it means relinquishing to Him ownership and control of our lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randisist:

    Drake,

    Specifically, what will heaven be like?

    Just curious, not judging...

    I would like to continue on what heaven is like in addition to what I've already said on post #1409 pg. 57.

    Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ, "The kingdom of heaven is like a treasure hidden in the field, which a man found and hid; and from joy over it he goes and sells all that he has, and buys that field. Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant seeking fine pearls, and upon finding one pearl of great value, he went and sold all that he had, and bought it" (Matt. 13:44-46).

    The kingdom of heaven is pictured as a treasure in these two parables.

    The first parable tells us that some stumble onto the treasure by chance. The second says some are prepared by training to find it and will actively seek it.

     Both stories agree that, when His kingdom is found, there is but one entrance, one key---sacrifice. Finder's Keepers only if the finder abandons all else.

    This means recognizing that the vital, transforming experience of Christ is worth more than anything else in the world. Further, it means relinquishing to Him ownership and control of our lives.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2011 - 12:34 AM ET #1469

    you're on your knees all day kissing the dear leaders asses, maybe even sucking their cocks and singing their praises non-stop and you are brainwashed to love every minute of it, while your friends and family are locked away in a fiery dungeon because they wouldn't do the same while on earth.
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    you're on your knees all day kissing the dear leaders asses, maybe even sucking their cocks and singing their praises non-stop and you are brainwashed to love every minute of it, while your friends and family are locked away in a fiery dungeon because they wouldn't do the same while on earth.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2011 - 1:04 AM ET #1470

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    The MAJORITY of historcial scholars confirm the historicity if Christ, the empty tomb, yet you seem to think you are beyond that.

    List them. Give me a list of current historical scholars, and cite their major, peer reviewed work that gives factual, historical information that an empty cave proves the reality of a super being walking amongst us (no not Tebow). I doubt out of the hundreds of thousands of historical scholars that you will end up with a higher number than would look at your statement as incorrect through, and through.


    I'd rather be playing D&D.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    The MAJORITY of historcial scholars confirm the historicity if Christ, the empty tomb, yet you seem to think you are beyond that.

    List them. Give me a list of current historical scholars, and cite their major, peer reviewed work that gives factual, historical information that an empty cave proves the reality of a super being walking amongst us (no not Tebow). I doubt out of the hundreds of thousands of historical scholars that you will end up with a higher number than would look at your statement as incorrect through, and through.


     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2011 - 1:19 AM ET #1471

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

     Both stories agree that, when His kingdom is found, there is but one entrance, one key---sacrifice.

    A story. You even say it yourself, it's a story. You sir, are an idiot.

    So far I've also noticed that at the end of it Rostos, and SJD can only offer "man just can't understand", or man can't comprehend" as their final proof of God.

    The utter complacency in these two, and arrogance that they have the "answer" is a timely example of when it is just better to jerk off in the tissue then risk inflicting the world with another fucktard.
    I'd rather be playing D&D.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

     Both stories agree that, when His kingdom is found, there is but one entrance, one key---sacrifice.

    A story. You even say it yourself, it's a story. You sir, are an idiot.

    So far I've also noticed that at the end of it Rostos, and SJD can only offer "man just can't understand", or man can't comprehend" as their final proof of God.

    The utter complacency in these two, and arrogance that they have the "answer" is a timely example of when it is just better to jerk off in the tissue then risk inflicting the world with another fucktard.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2011 - 2:08 AM ET #1472

    Quote Originally Posted by jagerfury:

    A story. You even say it yourself, it's a story. You sir, are an idiot.

    .

    Have you a lot of trouble in comprehending what you read?...lol

    Those stories are the parables that Jesus used when speaking to the crowds or to his disciples.

    In fact, he never spoke to the crowds without using such parables. They have a hidden meaning and I explained what the meanings were of the two stories or parables coming from Jesus in my last post.

    Do you know what a parable is?

    C'mon think before you call other people names that in actuality suits you better...lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by jagerfury:

    A story. You even say it yourself, it's a story. You sir, are an idiot.

    .

    Have you a lot of trouble in comprehending what you read?...lol

    Those stories are the parables that Jesus used when speaking to the crowds or to his disciples.

    In fact, he never spoke to the crowds without using such parables. They have a hidden meaning and I explained what the meanings were of the two stories or parables coming from Jesus in my last post.

    Do you know what a parable is?

    C'mon think before you call other people names that in actuality suits you better...lol

     
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    JasonBay,

    You said "um why the fuck do i have to lay this out again...

    we are talking about yahweh/jehovah whatever the fuck you want to call the original prick..

    he's the one that is holding us responsible for the actions of others and holding us 'guilty' from birth.

    now I asked if an ancestor of yours committed crimes, do you think you should have to pay reparations to their decendents right now? quit the fucking tapdance, i'm sick of it.

    Answer: 
    Children are not punished for the sins committed by their parents; neither are parents punished for the sins of their children.

    Each of us is responsible for our own sins.

    Ezekiel 18:20 tells us, “The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son.” 
    This verse clearly shows that punishment for one’s sins is borne by that person.

    There is a verse that has led some to believe the Bible teaches intergenerational punishment for sin, but this interpretation is incorrect.

    The verse in question is Exodus 20:5, which says in reference to idols, “You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me.” 

    This verse is speaking not so much of punishment, but of consequences.

    It is saying that the consequences of a man’s sins can be felt generations later. 

    God was telling the Israelites that their children would feel the impact of their parents’ generation as a natural consequence of their disobedience and hatred of God. 

    Children raised in such an environment would practice similar idolatry, thus falling into the established pattern of disobedience. The effect of a disobedient generation was to plant wickedness so deeply that it took several generations to reverse. 

    God does not hold us accountable for the sins of our parents, but we sometimes suffer as a result of the sins our parents committed, as Exodus 20:5 illustrates.

    As Ezekiel 18:20 shows, each of us is responsible for his own sins and we must bear the punishment for them.

    We cannot share our guilt with another, nor can another be held responsible for it. 

    There is, however, one exception to this rule, and it applies to all mankind.

    One man bore the sins of others and paid the penalty for them so sinners could become completely righteous and pure in the sight of God. 

    That man is Jesus Christ. 

    God sent Jesus into the world to exchange His perfection for our sin.

    “God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God” (2 Corinthians 5:21). 

    Jesus Christ takes away the punishment for sin for those who come to Him in faith.



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    JasonBay,

    You said "um why the fuck do i have to lay this out again...

    we are talking about yahweh/jehovah whatever the fuck you want to call the original prick..

    he's the one that is holding us responsible for the actions of others and holding us 'guilty' from birth.

    now I asked if an ancestor of yours committed crimes, do you think you should have to pay reparations to their decendents right now? quit the fucking tapdance, i'm sick of it.

    Answer: 
    Children are not punished for the sins committed by their parents; neither are parents punished for the sins of their children.

    Each of us is responsible for our own sins.

    Ezekiel 18:20 tells us, “The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son.” 
    This verse clearly shows that punishment for one’s sins is borne by that person.

    There is a verse that has led some to believe the Bible teaches intergenerational punishment for sin, but this interpretation is incorrect.

    The verse in question is Exodus 20:5, which says in reference to idols, “You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me.” 

    This verse is speaking not so much of punishment, but of consequences.

    It is saying that the consequences of a man’s sins can be felt generations later. 

    God was telling the Israelites that their children would feel the impact of their parents’ generation as a natural consequence of their disobedience and hatred of God. 

    Children raised in such an environment would practice similar idolatry, thus falling into the established pattern of disobedience. The effect of a disobedient generation was to plant wickedness so deeply that it took several generations to reverse. 

    God does not hold us accountable for the sins of our parents, but we sometimes suffer as a result of the sins our parents committed, as Exodus 20:5 illustrates.

    As Ezekiel 18:20 shows, each of us is responsible for his own sins and we must bear the punishment for them.

    We cannot share our guilt with another, nor can another be held responsible for it. 

    There is, however, one exception to this rule, and it applies to all mankind.

    One man bore the sins of others and paid the penalty for them so sinners could become completely righteous and pure in the sight of God. 

    That man is Jesus Christ. 

    God sent Jesus into the world to exchange His perfection for our sin.

    “God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God” (2 Corinthians 5:21). 

    Jesus Christ takes away the punishment for sin for those who come to Him in faith.



     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2011 - 3:45 AM ET #1474

    jagerfury,

    You stated "List them. Give me a list of current historical scholars, and cite their major, peer reviewed work that gives factual, historical information that an empty cave proves the reality of a super being walking amongst us (no not Tebow). I doubt out of the hundreds of thousands of historical scholars that you will end up with a higher number than would look at your statement as incorrect through, and through."


    A simple search on the internet will give you hundreds of pages of scholars that believe in the historical account of Christ.

    Interestingly doing a quick search I found this at cha-cha answers site...

    QUESTION
    What percentage of historical scholars believe Jesus Christ existed?

    ANSWER
    82 percent of historical scholars believe that Jesus Christ, the man, existed.

    https://www.chacha.com/question/what-percentage-of-historical-scholars-believe-jesus-christ-existed

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    jagerfury,

    You stated "List them. Give me a list of current historical scholars, and cite their major, peer reviewed work that gives factual, historical information that an empty cave proves the reality of a super being walking amongst us (no not Tebow). I doubt out of the hundreds of thousands of historical scholars that you will end up with a higher number than would look at your statement as incorrect through, and through."


    A simple search on the internet will give you hundreds of pages of scholars that believe in the historical account of Christ.

    Interestingly doing a quick search I found this at cha-cha answers site...

    QUESTION
    What percentage of historical scholars believe Jesus Christ existed?

    ANSWER
    82 percent of historical scholars believe that Jesus Christ, the man, existed.

    https://www.chacha.com/question/what-percentage-of-historical-scholars-believe-jesus-christ-existed

     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2011 - 4:30 AM ET #1475

    Quote Originally Posted by matt4000:



    QUESTION
    What percentage of historical scholars believe Jesus Christ existed?

    ANSWER
    82 percent of historical scholars believe that Jesus Christ, the man, existed.

    https://www.chacha.com/question/what-percentage-of-historical-scholars-believe-jesus-christ-existed



    Wording is everything... And yes I have absolute faith that at one time ,a man, who went by Jesus Christ existed. And I also believe that fate has afforded that mans propaganda to be propagated.

    Fate afforded, the man, Jesus Christ the good fortune of having the right followers at the time, followers not only with the strongest faith, but also:
    1. the intellect to know how to spread the faith.
    2. money to spread the faith.
    3. influence/high social placement to influence the lesser in status to become believers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matt4000:



    QUESTION
    What percentage of historical scholars believe Jesus Christ existed?

    ANSWER
    82 percent of historical scholars believe that Jesus Christ, the man, existed.

    https://www.chacha.com/question/what-percentage-of-historical-scholars-believe-jesus-christ-existed



    Wording is everything... And yes I have absolute faith that at one time ,a man, who went by Jesus Christ existed. And I also believe that fate has afforded that mans propaganda to be propagated.

    Fate afforded, the man, Jesus Christ the good fortune of having the right followers at the time, followers not only with the strongest faith, but also:
    1. the intellect to know how to spread the faith.
    2. money to spread the faith.
    3. influence/high social placement to influence the lesser in status to become believers.
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