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    If Christ died on the cross for all of humanity

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    Posted: Oct. 25, 2011 - 7:14 PM ET #751

    KK, so by saying morals are not absolute, you have admitted in saying that there is at least 1 time and place where raping and murdering a little girl is ok?

    Funny, becuase you leading atheists DISAGREE with you...

     

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    KK, so by saying morals are not absolute, you have admitted in saying that there is at least 1 time and place where raping and murdering a little girl is ok?

    Funny, becuase you leading atheists DISAGREE with you...

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 25, 2011 - 7:35 PM ET #752

    I am STILL WAITING FOR SOEMONE TO POINT OUT TO ME WHERE JESUS CHRIST TOLD US THAT YOU SHOULD KILL.

    Where is it?

    I might place a wager on the texas rangers tomorrow, why? Cause after reading the bible last night, i interpreted Gods message that i should be on the Rangers.........

    If we want to be consistent with the people that kill in the name of religion, well, i am only being consistent, because just like the murder, i somehow found a message in the bible that Jesus told me to bet the Rangers..........

    Oh and you know what, while we are equivocating, i am a manager at my workplace, there is one guy who comes in late often, I might just penalise the whole team because of him. No one else turns up late. I might just say that from covers members, i have learnt a new level of knowledge, just "put everyone" in the same boat for one persons behaviour....I am sure they will understand.

     

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    I am STILL WAITING FOR SOEMONE TO POINT OUT TO ME WHERE JESUS CHRIST TOLD US THAT YOU SHOULD KILL.

    Where is it?

    I might place a wager on the texas rangers tomorrow, why? Cause after reading the bible last night, i interpreted Gods message that i should be on the Rangers.........

    If we want to be consistent with the people that kill in the name of religion, well, i am only being consistent, because just like the murder, i somehow found a message in the bible that Jesus told me to bet the Rangers..........

    Oh and you know what, while we are equivocating, i am a manager at my workplace, there is one guy who comes in late often, I might just penalise the whole team because of him. No one else turns up late. I might just say that from covers members, i have learnt a new level of knowledge, just "put everyone" in the same boat for one persons behaviour....I am sure they will understand.

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 25, 2011 - 8:17 PM ET #753

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    How do you determine when a book is factually proven KK?...again you're too funny. By your standards to your liking and approval?...lol

    Even if I show you something that authenticates anything in the bible you're not going to believe it, you're the type that only going to believe something firsthand by seeing, smelling, touching, hearing etc...lol

    So what's the use in giving you evidence?...lol

    But beyond that, you haven't given one shred of evidence yourself that God doesn't exist? Because I repeat you are guilty of blind faith that God doesn't exist.

     


    YOU'RE SO FUCKING STUPID. I'M SICK OF IT. I ALREADY GAVE YOU A PIECE OF EVIDENCE. I'M FUCKING DONE WITH YOUR IDIOCY.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    How do you determine when a book is factually proven KK?...again you're too funny. By your standards to your liking and approval?...lol

    Even if I show you something that authenticates anything in the bible you're not going to believe it, you're the type that only going to believe something firsthand by seeing, smelling, touching, hearing etc...lol

    So what's the use in giving you evidence?...lol

    But beyond that, you haven't given one shred of evidence yourself that God doesn't exist? Because I repeat you are guilty of blind faith that God doesn't exist.

     


    YOU'RE SO FUCKING STUPID. I'M SICK OF IT. I ALREADY GAVE YOU A PIECE OF EVIDENCE. I'M FUCKING DONE WITH YOUR IDIOCY.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 26, 2011 - 12:10 AM ET #754

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    KK, so by saying morals are not absolute, you have admitted in saying that there is at least 1 time and place where raping and murdering a little girl is ok?

    Funny, becuase you leading atheists DISAGREE with you...

     


    Numbers 31:7-18 
    Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp.  But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle.  "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded.  "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor.  They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people.  Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man.  Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

    2 Samuel 12:11-14 

     Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house.  I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor.  He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight.  You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.'

        Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the Lord."  Nathan answered David: "The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die.  But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die."


    There are more...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    KK, so by saying morals are not absolute, you have admitted in saying that there is at least 1 time and place where raping and murdering a little girl is ok?

    Funny, becuase you leading atheists DISAGREE with you...

     


    Numbers 31:7-18 
    Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp.  But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle.  "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded.  "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor.  They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people.  Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man.  Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

    2 Samuel 12:11-14 

     Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house.  I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor.  He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight.  You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.'

        Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the Lord."  Nathan answered David: "The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die.  But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die."


    There are more...

     
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    Posted: Oct. 26, 2011 - 12:16 AM ET #755

    Silly System. You know not to interpret the entire bible literally! You only interpret literally the parts that don't conflict with christian beliefs. Duh!
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    Silly System. You know not to interpret the entire bible literally! You only interpret literally the parts that don't conflict with christian beliefs. Duh!
     
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    Posted: Oct. 26, 2011 - 12:27 AM ET #756

    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    Numbers 31:7-18 
    Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp.  But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle.  "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded.  "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor.  They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people.  Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man.  Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

    2 Samuel 12:11-14 

     Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house.  I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor.  He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight.  You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.'

        Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the Lord."  Nathan answered David: "The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die.  But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die."


    There are more...

    Where does Jesus condone rape? where does jesus condone murder? Where ? Where? Where? Where?

    I am waiting........

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    Numbers 31:7-18 
    Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp.  But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle.  "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded.  "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor.  They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people.  Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man.  Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

    2 Samuel 12:11-14 

     Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house.  I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor.  He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight.  You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.'

        Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the Lord."  Nathan answered David: "The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die.  But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die."


    There are more...

    Where does Jesus condone rape? where does jesus condone murder? Where ? Where? Where? Where?

    I am waiting........

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 26, 2011 - 12:28 AM ET #757

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    Silly System. You know not to interpret the entire bible literally! You only interpret literally the parts that don't conflict with christian beliefs. Duh!

    Oh shit! I forgot! Plus, that was in olden times, things were different back then. When they were talking about rape in the old testament, it meant something totally different than today. 

    Maybe sdj can give us some more evidence
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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    Silly System. You know not to interpret the entire bible literally! You only interpret literally the parts that don't conflict with christian beliefs. Duh!

    Oh shit! I forgot! Plus, that was in olden times, things were different back then. When they were talking about rape in the old testament, it meant something totally different than today. 

    Maybe sdj can give us some more evidence
     
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    Posted: Oct. 26, 2011 - 12:29 AM ET #758

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Where does Jesus condone rape? where does jesus condone murder? Where ? Where? Where? Where?

    I am waiting........

     


    I think god trumps jesus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Where does Jesus condone rape? where does jesus condone murder? Where ? Where? Where? Where?

    I am waiting........

     


    I think god trumps jesus
     
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    Posted: Oct. 26, 2011 - 12:34 AM ET #759

    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    I think god trumps jesus

    Jesus is God

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    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    I think god trumps jesus

    Jesus is God

     
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    Posted: Oct. 26, 2011 - 12:37 AM ET #760

    Jesus can't be god. He is the son of god.
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    Jesus can't be god. He is the son of god.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 26, 2011 - 12:39 AM ET #761

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Jesus is God


    Then go look at post 755 and that will answer your question  
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Jesus is God


    Then go look at post 755 and that will answer your question  
     
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    Posted: Oct. 26, 2011 - 12:47 AM ET #762

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    Jesus can't be god. He is the son of god.

    God in the human flesh is Jesus

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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    Jesus can't be god. He is the son of god.

    God in the human flesh is Jesus

     
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    Posted: Oct. 26, 2011 - 12:49 AM ET #763

    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    Then go look at post 755 and that will answer your question  
     

    Again, going to your fav atheistic websites and quoting things completely out of contect with no awareness of the background as to why things were said....

    God is SIMPLY making everyone aware of the GRAVITY of there sins. Just like when it is stated, you should cut off your right hand if it causes you to sin, does God want everyone to walk around with no right hand?

    Does he?

    No, these passages are making everyone fully aware of the gravity of sin

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    Then go look at post 755 and that will answer your question  
     

    Again, going to your fav atheistic websites and quoting things completely out of contect with no awareness of the background as to why things were said....

    God is SIMPLY making everyone aware of the GRAVITY of there sins. Just like when it is stated, you should cut off your right hand if it causes you to sin, does God want everyone to walk around with no right hand?

    Does he?

    No, these passages are making everyone fully aware of the gravity of sin

     
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    Posted: Oct. 26, 2011 - 12:54 AM ET #764

    YES! I WAS RIGHT! You don't interpret it literally! See.

    Maybe...JUST MAYBE...the entire bible is a metaphor?
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    YES! I WAS RIGHT! You don't interpret it literally! See.

    Maybe...JUST MAYBE...the entire bible is a metaphor?
     
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    Posted: Oct. 26, 2011 - 12:55 AM ET #765

    Quote Originally Posted by Drizle:

     

    Ok, I'll change my question and ask what makes you know this? Because it says that in the bible? So what of the other people on this planet who have different beliefs and follow different religions? They are all automatically cast into hell? Or do they go into what their version of heaven is?

    We obviously have different belief systems which is fine. It makes for interesting debate. Neither is right or wrong in my opinion because no one knows with absolute certainty because they are beliefs. In my mind, I choose to believe that a higher power isn't narrow minded to deem one religion or belief set to any more correct than any other. There are great aspects of the numerous religions out there and there are also ugly aspects of them. I refuse to believe that if a higher power did create the whole universe (I have no idea how it all came about) that is all powerful and all loving, that it would play favorites to people because they follow a certain religion belief.


    Yes, I know there are many different beliefs, choose or believe what ever you want that's out there, the choice is yours to make.

    Let me just leave you with a couple passages in the bible which should answer some of your questions:

    "When the Gentiles sin, they will be destroyed, even though they never had God's written law. And the person, who do have God's law, will be judged by that law when they fail to obey it. For merely listening to the law doesn't make us right with God. It is obeying the law that makes us right in His sight. Even Gentiles, who do not have God's written law, show that they know his law when they instinctively obey it, even without having heard it. They demonstrate that God's law is written in their hearts, for their own conscience and thoughts either accuse them or tell them they are doing right. And this is the message I proclaim---that the day is coming when God, through Christ Jesus, will judge everyone's secret life."----Romans 2:12-16

    After Jesus resurrection He appeared to His disciples, and then He told them, "Go into all the world and preach the Good News to everyone. Anyone who believes and is baptized will be saved. But anyone who refuses to believe will be condemned."---Mark 16:15-16

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    Ok, I'll change my question and ask what makes you know this? Because it says that in the bible? So what of the other people on this planet who have different beliefs and follow different religions? They are all automatically cast into hell? Or do they go into what their version of heaven is?

    We obviously have different belief systems which is fine. It makes for interesting debate. Neither is right or wrong in my opinion because no one knows with absolute certainty because they are beliefs. In my mind, I choose to believe that a higher power isn't narrow minded to deem one religion or belief set to any more correct than any other. There are great aspects of the numerous religions out there and there are also ugly aspects of them. I refuse to believe that if a higher power did create the whole universe (I have no idea how it all came about) that is all powerful and all loving, that it would play favorites to people because they follow a certain religion belief.


    Yes, I know there are many different beliefs, choose or believe what ever you want that's out there, the choice is yours to make.

    Let me just leave you with a couple passages in the bible which should answer some of your questions:

    "When the Gentiles sin, they will be destroyed, even though they never had God's written law. And the person, who do have God's law, will be judged by that law when they fail to obey it. For merely listening to the law doesn't make us right with God. It is obeying the law that makes us right in His sight. Even Gentiles, who do not have God's written law, show that they know his law when they instinctively obey it, even without having heard it. They demonstrate that God's law is written in their hearts, for their own conscience and thoughts either accuse them or tell them they are doing right. And this is the message I proclaim---that the day is coming when God, through Christ Jesus, will judge everyone's secret life."----Romans 2:12-16

    After Jesus resurrection He appeared to His disciples, and then He told them, "Go into all the world and preach the Good News to everyone. Anyone who believes and is baptized will be saved. But anyone who refuses to believe will be condemned."---Mark 16:15-16

     
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    Posted: Oct. 26, 2011 - 12:59 AM ET #766

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    YES! I WAS RIGHT! You don't interpret it literally! See.

    Maybe...JUST MAYBE...the entire bible is a metaphor?


     the thing needs an instruction manual with it
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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    YES! I WAS RIGHT! You don't interpret it literally! See.

    Maybe...JUST MAYBE...the entire bible is a metaphor?


     the thing needs an instruction manual with it
     
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    Posted: Oct. 26, 2011 - 1:00 AM ET #767

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


    YOU'RE SO bleeping STUPID. I'M SICK OF IT. I ALREADY GAVE YOU A PIECE OF EVIDENCE. I'M bleeping DONE WITH YOUR bleep.

     

     

     

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


    YOU'RE SO bleeping STUPID. I'M SICK OF IT. I ALREADY GAVE YOU A PIECE OF EVIDENCE. I'M bleeping DONE WITH YOUR bleep.

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 26, 2011 - 1:04 AM ET #768

    SJD - Let's take a hypothetical situation. There is a colony on an island. On this colony, there is no living person with any knowledge of god or the bible. These people have NO CLUE religion exists at all. These people all live good lives. They don't do anything heinous. No murders. No significant theft. Minimal lying. Etc.

    When these people die, what do you think happens to them?
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    SJD - Let's take a hypothetical situation. There is a colony on an island. On this colony, there is no living person with any knowledge of god or the bible. These people have NO CLUE religion exists at all. These people all live good lives. They don't do anything heinous. No murders. No significant theft. Minimal lying. Etc.

    When these people die, what do you think happens to them?
     
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    Posted: Oct. 26, 2011 - 1:04 AM ET #769

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    YES! I WAS RIGHT! You don't interpret it literally! See.

    Maybe...JUST MAYBE...the entire bible is a metaphor?

    Thou shall not murder is a metaphor

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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    YES! I WAS RIGHT! You don't interpret it literally! See.

    Maybe...JUST MAYBE...the entire bible is a metaphor?

    Thou shall not murder is a metaphor

     
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    Posted: Oct. 26, 2011 - 1:07 AM ET #770

    Gotcha...you interpret that part literally. Ok. I'm learning. Whenever it comes up, you just let me know whether the part being referred to is meant to be literal or a metaphor since it changes from section to section.
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    Gotcha...you interpret that part literally. Ok. I'm learning. Whenever it comes up, you just let me know whether the part being referred to is meant to be literal or a metaphor since it changes from section to section.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 26, 2011 - 1:08 AM ET #771

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    SJD - Let's take a hypothetical situation. There is a colony on an island. On this colony, there is no living person with any knowledge of god or the bible. These people have NO CLUE religion exists at all. These people all live good lives. They don't do anything heinous. No murders. No significant theft. Minimal lying. Etc.

    When these people die, what do you think happens to them?

    Ok, very very very good point...

    lets say these people as you said, never heard of God, bible etc etc etc....lets just say that they all of a sudden landed on that island at the age of 18.........

    Do you think one person would murder another person on that island? let me clarify more, do you think they would know murdering another human is wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    SJD - Let's take a hypothetical situation. There is a colony on an island. On this colony, there is no living person with any knowledge of god or the bible. These people have NO CLUE religion exists at all. These people all live good lives. They don't do anything heinous. No murders. No significant theft. Minimal lying. Etc.

    When these people die, what do you think happens to them?

    Ok, very very very good point...

    lets say these people as you said, never heard of God, bible etc etc etc....lets just say that they all of a sudden landed on that island at the age of 18.........

    Do you think one person would murder another person on that island? let me clarify more, do you think they would know murdering another human is wrong?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Again, going to your fav atheistic websites and quoting things completely out of contect with no awareness of the background as to why things were said....

    God is SIMPLY making everyone aware of the GRAVITY of there sins. Just like when it is stated, you should cut off your right hand if it causes you to sin, does God want everyone to walk around with no right hand?

    Does he?

    No, these passages are making everyone fully aware of the gravity of sin


    yea, making everyone aware of the gravity of their sins by having little girls raped great stuff

    by the way, some cultures do cut off peoples hands when they steal... you read it and see it one way, another person reads it and sees it another, see the problem with religion 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Again, going to your fav atheistic websites and quoting things completely out of contect with no awareness of the background as to why things were said....

    God is SIMPLY making everyone aware of the GRAVITY of there sins. Just like when it is stated, you should cut off your right hand if it causes you to sin, does God want everyone to walk around with no right hand?

    Does he?

    No, these passages are making everyone fully aware of the gravity of sin


    yea, making everyone aware of the gravity of their sins by having little girls raped great stuff

    by the way, some cultures do cut off peoples hands when they steal... you read it and see it one way, another person reads it and sees it another, see the problem with religion 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 26, 2011 - 1:10 AM ET #773

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    Gotcha...you interpret that part literally. Ok. I'm learning. Whenever it comes up, you just let me know whether the part being referred to is meant to be literal or a metaphor since it changes from section to section.

    if you dont know how to read a metaphor and what is literal in the context of what is being writtem then i dont know how you got past primary school

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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    Gotcha...you interpret that part literally. Ok. I'm learning. Whenever it comes up, you just let me know whether the part being referred to is meant to be literal or a metaphor since it changes from section to section.

    if you dont know how to read a metaphor and what is literal in the context of what is being writtem then i dont know how you got past primary school

     
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    Posted: Oct. 26, 2011 - 1:11 AM ET #774

    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    yea, making everyone aware of the gravity of their sins by having little girls raped great stuff

    by the way, some cultures do cut off peoples hands when they steal... you read it and see it one way, another person reads it and sees it another, see the problem with religion 

    Why are you equivocating ALL religions? Why?

    Based on your logic, one corrupt cop gets caught, then all are corrupt. Get rid of all cops.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    yea, making everyone aware of the gravity of their sins by having little girls raped great stuff

    by the way, some cultures do cut off peoples hands when they steal... you read it and see it one way, another person reads it and sees it another, see the problem with religion 

    Why are you equivocating ALL religions? Why?

    Based on your logic, one corrupt cop gets caught, then all are corrupt. Get rid of all cops.........

     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 26, 2011 - 1:11 AM ET #775

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Ok, very very very good point...

    lets say these people as you said, never heard of God, bible etc etc etc....lets just say that they all of a sudden landed on that island at the age of 18.........

    Do you think one person would murder another person on that island? let me clarify more, do you think they would know murdering another human is wrong?


    SJD. Can you please respond to this? Because obviously Rostos is incapable of doing so. IT'S MY FUCKING HYPO. DON'T FUCKING CHANGE THE FACTS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Ok, very very very good point...

    lets say these people as you said, never heard of God, bible etc etc etc....lets just say that they all of a sudden landed on that island at the age of 18.........

    Do you think one person would murder another person on that island? let me clarify more, do you think they would know murdering another human is wrong?


    SJD. Can you please respond to this? Because obviously Rostos is incapable of doing so. IT'S MY FUCKING HYPO. DON'T FUCKING CHANGE THE FACTS.
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