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Posted: #4701
Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

Or why not take a passive stance on others who die who are going to heavan??  Like abortion, starvation in Africa, missionaries who are murdered etc - just dont do anything to help those poor starving kids in Africa because a milisecond of suffering on earth equals eternity of paradise.

Why are these Christians so cruel to these children by stopping their death?  Christians should celebrate every time a child starves, every time there is an abortion - they should all take a passive approach to this and do nothing - because by helping those kids in Africa - you are really prolonging their suffering.


I feel an answer along the lines of "we'll never completely understand God's way" coming. Which would be fitting because that is where it usually ends up anyway.  

Our family has this debate a few times a year (usually at holidays). I got into it with my sister in law at Christmas and this is where it ended (a lot of unanswered questions but a still the "I still know what I know and I know God exists" approach).  I'm OK with that. It's her life.  But I can't just dismiss the things that don't make sense to me.  


 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

So now you are attacking my education level....What have you got? I suppose thats an angle you need to take when you have no answers for arguments put forward.

I finished in the top 15% of my state in my higher school education.

I also hold a bachelor degree majoring in accounting and finance from macquarie university.

I also hold a post graguate degree in Finance as well?

What do you hold? A masters in bullshit?

Education level and belief in God go hand in hand huh? I will mention him again, Is Dr Francis Collins owner of the Genome project a drop out?

And if you dont know, English spelling is different in Australia compared to other English speaking countries....

Uhm, Americans spell Organization, we spell it Organisation.....

Did you even finish school?



Grades in school are arbitrary, which renders degrees useless in determining a person's intelligence.  Intelligent people know this.

Now please answer the question: Are you happy for the aborted baby?  If not, then you sir are an asshole...
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

So now you are attacking my education level....What have you got? I suppose thats an angle you need to take when you have no answers for arguments put forward.

I finished in the top 15% of my state in my higher school education.

I also hold a bachelor degree majoring in accounting and finance from macquarie university.

I also hold a post graguate degree in Finance as well?

What do you hold? A masters in bullshit?

Education level and belief in God go hand in hand huh? I will mention him again, Is Dr Francis Collins owner of the Genome project a drop out?

And if you dont know, English spelling is different in Australia compared to other English speaking countries....

Uhm, Americans spell Organization, we spell it Organisation.....

Did you even finish school?

I tried to explain that to these Einsteins but of course they know everything and System rejected that idea because according to him all English words are spelled the same in English speaking countries. The stupidity that comes from the atheist on this thread is nothing short of astonishing. Seriously. They press you on answering a question and yet they have NEVER answered any of my questions or challenges. When they have been pressed they give one word answers that make no sense and then of course they start their usual bag of bullshit about circular fallacies and so forth. 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by DiscoD69:



Yea those pesky things....

Your ignorance and lack of reason is a good indication of why the world is no longer run according to such stupidity and blind faith.

Otherwise the judicial system would still be convicting women of witchcraft and burning them at the steak. Instead, we need require "bullshit" like 'proof and evidence.'


Not surprisingly, this concept continues to escape you and your simpleminded friends. 
This isn't a criminal trial my brother we're talking about God here. The days of burning women at the stake are long gone thank goodness. But there is still no excuse for you to keep hiding behind the lies that atheism has created. So if you want to continue to chase your tail like some confused dog go right ahead. I stand behind the words I speak. You ideology is one that is created to waste your life on bullshit. A never ending quest for information, evidence and proof that doesn't exist. That's why it's called faith. You're like the guy studying about business but never doing anything about it or making any progress. While theists are growing spiritually and learning. At the end of the day what do you have? A bunch of theories which if proven do nothing more than validate the idea of a Higher Power but because you're so caught up in the ego world you're too stubborn or stupid (take your pick) to recognize it. Meanwhile you have done absolutely nothing for your spiritual development because you don't even believe you have a spirit because there is no proof or evidence that will satisfy you of such. But yet in your warped mind we are the ones that's crazy.  
 
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So here have atheists asking for Christians to pray for the deaths of children, commit suicide in the name of getting to heaven faster. Wow and that makes sense to you guys. Is there anybody else that even questions why I am saying that the atheist movement has become a hate group. When you can sit there and justify killing and suicides based on some bizarre notion that that will get you to heaven and that God will forgive you no matter what. What is the next step? Why don't we just go on a killing spree and take everybody to heaven. WTF is wrong with you people. Have you just lost all sense of compassion and love. Oh let me guess. There is no proof or evidence that love exist only our perception so there is no such thing as love. There is a special place for you guys that insist on following this path of lies. 
 
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Now please answer the question: Are you happy for the aborted baby?  If not, then you sir are an asshole... 
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This isn't a criminal trial my brother we're talking about God here. The days of burning women at the stake are long gone thank goodness.
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Yes, that is good.  It's also good that they don't still punch holes in peoples' heads to let the demons out when they are ill.  

Isn't it at least possible that some of the things people believe today are equivalent in absurdity to some of the things we did in the past?

At the time, burning people at the stake and punching holes in heads was seen as normal.  
 
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Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

So here have atheists asking for Christians to pray for the deaths of children, commit suicide in the name of getting to heaven faster. Wow and that makes sense to you guys. Is there anybody else that even questions why I am saying that the atheist movement has become a hate group. When you can sit there and justify killing and suicides based on some bizarre notion that that will get you to heaven and that God will forgive you no matter what. What is the next step? Why don't we just go on a killing spree and take everybody to heaven. WTF is wrong with you people. Have you just lost all sense of compassion and love. Oh let me guess. There is no proof or evidence that love exist only our perception so there is no such thing as love. There is a special place for you guys that insist on following this path of lies. 

Two scenarios:  1.  Fetus is aborted and goes to heaven and has forever lasting life in peace and tranquility.  2.  Child is born to a crack mom.  Has a disability and isn't even able to graduate high school.  He lives a life without a job (can't get one) and deals with years and years of health problems.  Gets cancer at age 18 and ends up suffering for 2 years, dies a terribly painful death, and ends up in heaven and has forever lasting life in peace and tranquility.

1 or 2?

There is no proof or evidence that love exist

Love is a feeling.  And it's open to interpretation.  It's not an entity. Love may or may not be "true" depending on who you talk to.  
 
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Meanwhile you have done absolutely nothing for your spiritual development because you don't even believe you have a spirit because there is no proof or evidence that will satisfy you of such. 
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Send me $1,000 and I will turn it into $5,000 and send you back half.  Have faith.  I can't prove it to you (doesn't sound like you need proof to believe something is true though), but I can promise you it will happen.  Let me know if you'd like to send me the $1,000 and I'll PM you my address.  

 
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God/Christ/Jesus/Allah/Indian Elephant Dude/Women With Four Arms and any and all other deities are all simply imaginary friends for growns ups goddamnit.
 
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P.S.

I do not beleive everything just randomly started to you religious jobs. I realize that everything is because of our sun, it's energy and our distance from it. If you want a 'god', go back tens of thousands of years and worship like the first monkies that began to reason. Worship the one god you can see....the sun. It is indeed the giver of all.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

Why don't you just post something that is an original coming from yourself? I can honestly tell you that I just don't click on any links of yours or your buddy van. That is the truth and nothing but the truth because if I lie that is a sin.

So as far as I am concerned you are wasting your time on this thread with this believer of Almighty God!


good thing you aren't the only one on here
and nobody cares if you open them or not, but we all know you do...
 
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This thread is taking a definite turn to the bizarre. Hutch you have repeatedly asked me money as if that is to prove my faith in God. I believe in that pea brain of mine that the 2 are mutually exclusive, so no there will be no money forth coming to you for said purpose. I have never said that aborted fetuses go to heaven. That is your argument with someone else. As I have stated before not all Christians share the same beliefs. So we can stop with the never ending hypotheticals. 
Since you are so deeply involved in this conversation now why don't you take on my challenge to the atheist. I will repeat once more for the late arrivals. Find an atheist who has converted to some sort of theism and asked them why and what made them changed their way of thinking. I think you might be surprised as to what they say. After you have done that come back here and report your findings. I am not asking you to agree with them, simply report what they say. That's all. To prevent the counter argument of finding atheists who were once Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist or some other theist religion. I have already covered that their answer would be something related to the religion. 
Since I have stated numerous times that atheist are cowards this is your chance to take the atheist mantle, prove to us that you really aren't cowards and seek out an ex atheist for their answer. We are anxiously awaiting for one brave atheist to take the challenge. Will it  be you or will you just stand cowardly behind these lies you have constructed your life around in fear of finding out that you're wrong. Who knows maybe I will be the one standing in shock with your findings. There's the challenge lets see if there are any atheist on this thread with the cajones to take it up. 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

You cant answer the question.  You just cant.  Because you know the answer makes your belief contradictory.

Oh well.

Why dont you ask God what he thinks? I am sure that matters more than what i think.....

Again, the ends do not justify the means.......Any rational unbiased person will tell you this.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

So now you are attacking my education level....What have you got? I suppose thats an angle you need to take when you have no answers for arguments put forward.

I finished in the top 15% of my state in my higher school education.

I also hold a bachelor degree majoring in accounting and finance from macquarie university.

I also hold a post graguate degree in Finance as well?

What do you hold? A masters in bullshit?

Education level and belief in God go hand in hand huh? I will mention him again, Is Dr Francis Collins owner of the Genome project a drop out?

And if you dont know, English spelling is different in Australia compared to other English speaking countries....

Uhm, Americans spell Organization, we spell it Organisation.....

Did you even finish school?


really? maybe you can show me some proof (although proof isn't a high priority for you), as I'm having a hard time finding it spelled your way anywhere...

I think you have a masters in making shit up...

don't see it here

Australian and American differences in spelling, vocabulary, syntax, grammar, expression and meaning

and there is a direct correlation with low education and a belief in god....

 
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Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

This isn't a criminal trial my brother we're talking about God here. The days of burning women at the stake are long gone thank goodness.
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Yes, that is good.  It's also good that they don't still punch holes in peoples' heads to let the demons out when they are ill.  

Isn't it at least possible that some of the things people believe today are equivalent in absurdity to some of the things we did in the past?

At the time, burning people at the stake and punching holes in heads was seen as normal.  
There are many instances of man not being able to comprehend or interpret information properly. When John the Apostle wrote the book of Revelation. He couldn't understand everything he was seeing. He could only write based on his present day understanding. Just like if you were to peer into the future 500 years from now. There would be things that you wouldn't understand but you would write about it in 2012 words. All of these primitive practices are based on their present understanding. Sure when alien life forms came to Earth many people thought they were Gods and worshiped them as such. Many of our legends and stories of today can be traced back to alien visitors. Who knows where the fiction ends and facts begin, hard to tell. We know that different events happened but we still don't know what it all means. But to say that because men of 2000 years ago believed that the Earth was flat, demons could be cut of your head, aliens were Gods means that there is no God because of their beliefs is ridiculous. God is over all. Yes you have Christians that believe that life on other planets doesn't exist. Does that mean that all life in the known and unknown Universe ceases to exist because of this thought? Of course not. Something doesn't exist or not exist based on your opinion. There are Truths and there are facts. God is a Truth whether you accept it or not. Doesn't matter. Some people want facts to back up the existence of God. Whether you find those facts is irrelevant to his existence. Of course to you hard core atheist this makes no sense and you will twist it around because that's what you do. Good for you. Carry on with this fantasy that you have created. One day the Truth will hit you as it has many former atheist and the question you will ask is "Why did I waste my life on an endless journey of nothingness when all that there is within me." That is my point!  
 
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Hey hey atheists.....

You werent upset at what Casey Anthony did and got away with it were you?

Why were you all upset? What did she do wrong? The baby is in heaven isnt it....? Why are you upset?

 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

Hey hey atheists.....

You werent upset at what Casey Anthony did and got away with it were you?

Why were you all upset? What did she do wrong? The baby is in heaven isnt it....? Why are you upset?

 


no it's not in heaven, there's no such place. try to keep up. I see you're spelling heaven correctly now.
 
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Once and for all.....

I am happy that after what happened to the baby, it ended up in heaven...

So let me ask you a question....

Do the ends of the baby ending up in heaven justify the means to get there?

Let me know, when one of your partners is pregnant, i might just come around and stab her in the gut, just enough for the partner to survive, but the baby will die and get to heaven...

You wont be upset will you?

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

Once and for all.....

I am happy that after what happened to the baby, it ended up in heaven...

So let me ask you a question....

Do the ends of the baby ending up in heaven justify the means to get there?

Let me know, when one of your partners is pregnant, i might just come around and stab her in the gut, just enough for the partner to survive, but the baby will die and get to heaven...

You wont be upset will you?


You just don't get it do you. It doesn't have the same meaning for us. We DON'T BELIEVE IN HEAVEN!!!!!!! Why don't you just answer the question instead of trying to change the question.
 
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Two scenarios:  1.  Fetus is aborted and goes to heaven and has forever lasting life in peace and tranquility.  2.  Child is born to a crack mom.  Has a disability and isn't even able to graduate high school.  He lives a life without a job (can't get one) and deals with years and years of health problems.  Gets cancer at age 18 and ends up suffering for 2 years, dies a terribly painful death, and ends up in heaven and has forever lasting life in peace and tranquility.

1 or 2?

There is no proof or evidence that love exist

Love is a feeling.  And it's open to interpretation.  It's not an entity. Love may or may not be "true" depending on who you talk to.  

Aha, so you are determing who is better to live?

Depending on the scenario, you are making a claim as to who deserves to live and who doesnt?

Dont look at the afterlife..........Why are you trying to determine what scenarios are better to live in?

why are you trying to determine who should live this life and who would be better off going straight to a afterlife....

Who are you to determine this?

Love? Did you tell your partner that love is bullshit? or did you curl up into a little ball and didnt have the balls to tell her that it is all bullshit?

 

 
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really? maybe you can show me some proof (although proof isn't a high priority for you), as I'm having a hard time finding it spelled your way anywhere...

I think you have a masters in making shit up...

don't see it here

Australian and American differences in spelling, vocabulary, syntax, grammar, expression and meaning

and there is a direct correlation with low education and a belief in god....

I will say that I have known people from Australia and even though I don't know how they may have spelled heaven. I will say just like we have in the United States where different regions and different ethnic groups speak different. Who are we to say how all Australians spell heaven.  I have known people from Jamaica and Belize and even though these people speak English sometimes I can't understand a word they're saying. Point is how can you tell somebody from another country how to speak or spell a word that they say they're spelling correctly based on their culture. I do believe that that is being pompous and arrogant at best and severely intolerant at worst. We as Americans have got to stop thinking that we are the only ones with all the right answers. There is a whole world out there and people know their culture and society better than we do.
 
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You just don't get it do you. It doesn't have the same meaning for us. We DON'T BELIEVE IN HEAVEN!!!!!!! Why don't you just answer the question instead of trying to change the question.

Perfect, just the rope i was hoping to extend for you to hang yourself....

so you dont believe, so we are just a random lucky collection of dust......WHICH IMPLES WE HAVE NO INSTRINSIC VALUE......If we have no instrinsic value, then why do you care what happens to other people? If we have no intrinsic value then why care about anything? But, no, i have seen many atheists post about Casey Anthony? Why? Who cares what she did?

In the world of atheism, she did nothing wrong........

Atheism = moral relativism...

 
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really? maybe you can show me some proof (although proof isn't a high priority for you), as I'm having a hard time finding it spelled your way anywhere...

I think you have a masters in making shit up...

don't see it here

Australian and American differences in spelling, vocabulary, syntax, grammar, expression and meaning

and there is a direct correlation with low education and a belief in god....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_and_British_English_spelling_differences

Oh and people that believe in a higher being have a lower education?

Dr Francis Collins

Gregor Mendel

Galileo

Blaise Pascal

Isaac newton

Albert Einstein.....

These are JUST some of the most brilliant minds that have ever lived....

But i suppose you are smarter then them.......

 

 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

I will say that I have known people from Australia and even though I don't know how they may have spelled heaven. I will say just like we have in the United States where different regions and different ethnic groups speak different. Who are we to say how all Australians spell heaven.  I have known people from Jamaica and Belize and even though these people speak English sometimes I can't understand a word they're saying. Point is how can you tell somebody from another country how to speak or spell a word that they say they're spelling correctly based on their culture. I do believe that that is being pompous and arrogant at best and severely intolerant at worst. We as Americans have got to stop thinking that we are the only ones with all the right answers. There is a whole world out there and people know their culture and society better than we do.

so then it shouldn't be hard to give me some proof that they spell it that way...I am not telling anyone how they should spell something, I just don't think it's spelled that way...prove me wrong...
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