Of course you yawn, because you know that the implications of your beliefs are absurd...
You say one thing in this thread, then completely contradict it in when you visit other threads.......
What were your views on Casey Anthony?
Was it WRONG what she did? Or is it the same as discussing if Chris Paul is a better point guard than D Will..
Atheism = Absurdity.......
Morals are subjective. My subjective morals say that murder is wrong.
But because morality is subjective, it allows me to judge that murdering Hitler is different than murdering a random person.
READ THAT AGAIN BEFORE GIVING ME ANOTHER STRAWMAN.
You on the other hand, dont have the ability to think. You cant tell me if it is OK in your la la land world of morality to steal food if you are starving, or if it is OK to disobey mom and dad by lying about murdering Hitler. These things blow your mind because your mind cannot think because your morals are prescribed and absolute.
Problem is - they dont work - because they cannot work because they contradict each other.
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:
Of course you yawn, because you know that the implications of your beliefs are absurd...
You say one thing in this thread, then completely contradict it in when you visit other threads.......
What were your views on Casey Anthony?
Was it WRONG what she did? Or is it the same as discussing if Chris Paul is a better point guard than D Will..
Atheism = Absurdity.......
Morals are subjective. My subjective morals say that murder is wrong.
But because morality is subjective, it allows me to judge that murdering Hitler is different than murdering a random person.
READ THAT AGAIN BEFORE GIVING ME ANOTHER STRAWMAN.
You on the other hand, dont have the ability to think. You cant tell me if it is OK in your la la land world of morality to steal food if you are starving, or if it is OK to disobey mom and dad by lying about murdering Hitler. These things blow your mind because your mind cannot think because your morals are prescribed and absolute.
Problem is - they dont work - because they cannot work because they contradict each other.
I'm sure Dr. Collins and all fellow Christians would agree with me that you are guilty of blasphemous babble...a misconception!
The God we worship and love, we know loves everyone, no matter who you are. He loves everyone so much that He sent His only begotten Son Jesus Christ our Lord Savior to pay for the sins of mankind, so that anyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life ---John 3:16
He is a holy and just God! The Creator of the universe and everything else that exists.
That is an absolute truth.
He loves everyone so much that he sent this son that nobody asked for, and if we dont love him back, or are born in another part of the world, we go to hell.
Thats makes god a sick asshole.
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Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:
I'm sure Dr. Collins and all fellow Christians would agree with me that you are guilty of blasphemous babble...a misconception!
The God we worship and love, we know loves everyone, no matter who you are. He loves everyone so much that He sent His only begotten Son Jesus Christ our Lord Savior to pay for the sins of mankind, so that anyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life ---John 3:16
He is a holy and just God! The Creator of the universe and everything else that exists.
That is an absolute truth.
He loves everyone so much that he sent this son that nobody asked for, and if we dont love him back, or are born in another part of the world, we go to hell.
Again we yet another example of atheist logic. How can someone that doesn't exit be a racist or misogynist. But in the atheist world this is just another gambit to keep the game going. Yeah that makes perfect sense. Meanwhile we're the ones that are crazy.
Again we yet another example of atheist logic. How can someone that doesn't exit be a racist or misogynist. But in the atheist world this is just another gambit to keep the game going. Yeah that makes perfect sense. Meanwhile we're the ones that are crazy.
BTW, i don't believe in the enternal suffering aspect. That was made up by a controlling religion based on fear. I do believe in a higher power that is beyond our comprehension.
BTW, i don't believe in the enternal suffering aspect. That was made up by a controlling religion based on fear. I do believe in a higher power that is beyond our comprehension.
Again we yet another example of atheist logic. How can someone that doesn't exit be a racist or misogynist. But in the atheist world this is just another gambit to keep the game going. Yeah that makes perfect sense. Meanwhile we're the ones that are crazy.
The ironic thing is atheist like Bill Maher who are all things against religion are the same exact people who push their agenda. Resitance fighting resitance. Oh the irony.
Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:
Again we yet another example of atheist logic. How can someone that doesn't exit be a racist or misogynist. But in the atheist world this is just another gambit to keep the game going. Yeah that makes perfect sense. Meanwhile we're the ones that are crazy.
The ironic thing is atheist like Bill Maher who are all things against religion are the same exact people who push their agenda. Resitance fighting resitance. Oh the irony.
CRRE: How is God racist? How is he a misogynist? Give specific examples of where this idea came from.
Corninthians 11:
But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a woman is her husband, and the head of Christ is God. Any man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head, but any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled dishonors her head--it is the same as if her head were shaven. For if a woman will not veil herself, then she should cut off her hair; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her wear a veil. For a man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. (For man was not made from woman, but woman from man. Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.) That is why a woman ought to have a veil on her head, because of the angels.
Timothy 1 chapter 2:
Also that women should adorn themselves modestly and sensibly in seemly apparel, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly attire but by good deeds, as befits women who profess religion. Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent.
Ephesians 5:22
Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
Exodus 21:
If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.
Leviticus 24:
Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
Is that enough specific examples for you?
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Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:
CRRE: How is God racist? How is he a misogynist? Give specific examples of where this idea came from.
Corninthians 11:
But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a woman is her husband, and the head of Christ is God. Any man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head, but any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled dishonors her head--it is the same as if her head were shaven. For if a woman will not veil herself, then she should cut off her hair; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her wear a veil. For a man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. (For man was not made from woman, but woman from man. Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.) That is why a woman ought to have a veil on her head, because of the angels.
Timothy 1 chapter 2:
Also that women should adorn themselves modestly and sensibly in seemly apparel, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly attire but by good deeds, as befits women who profess religion. Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent.
Ephesians 5:22
Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
Exodus 21:
If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.
Leviticus 24:
Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
BTW, i don't believe in the enternal suffering aspect. That was made up by a controlling religion based on fear. I do believe in a higher power that is beyond our comprehension.
Just another flavor of crazy.
Cant you guys all get together and decide on a unified version of crazy? Cant you all just agree to the same rules with your imaginary friend, and be unified?
If your brand of crazy is so obvious to you, why isnt obvious to everyone? Why is your imaginary friend different than the imaginary friend of people who were born in other countries?
Its all so silly.
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Quote Originally Posted by D_Unit:
BTW, i don't believe in the enternal suffering aspect. That was made up by a controlling religion based on fear. I do believe in a higher power that is beyond our comprehension.
Just another flavor of crazy.
Cant you guys all get together and decide on a unified version of crazy? Cant you all just agree to the same rules with your imaginary friend, and be unified?
If your brand of crazy is so obvious to you, why isnt obvious to everyone? Why is your imaginary friend different than the imaginary friend of people who were born in other countries?
If you don't love your child will he/she have your best interests? Not complicated.
Uhhhh, this is god we are talking about. All loving. All knowing. Merciful.
But somehow he is also a jealous fuck who is desperate for attention and praise, and if you dont love him back or keep telling him how great he is - you go to eternal suffering.
Makes perfect sense.
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Quote Originally Posted by D_Unit:
If you don't love your child will he/she have your best interests? Not complicated.
Uhhhh, this is god we are talking about. All loving. All knowing. Merciful.
But somehow he is also a jealous fuck who is desperate for attention and praise, and if you dont love him back or keep telling him how great he is - you go to eternal suffering.
Uhhhh, this is god we are talking about. All loving. All knowing. Merciful.
But somehow he is also a jealous fuck who is desperate for attention and praise, and if you dont love him back or keep telling him how great he is - you go to eternal suffering.
Makes perfect sense.
Why do you keep using the word "He" to explain God? God is not He or She but an everflowing energy not in human form. If you really think God is and old whiteman sitting on a throne then your vision of God is way off.
Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:
Uhhhh, this is god we are talking about. All loving. All knowing. Merciful.
But somehow he is also a jealous fuck who is desperate for attention and praise, and if you dont love him back or keep telling him how great he is - you go to eternal suffering.
Makes perfect sense.
Why do you keep using the word "He" to explain God? God is not He or She but an everflowing energy not in human form. If you really think God is and old whiteman sitting on a throne then your vision of God is way off.
Why do you keep using the word "He" to explain God? God is not He or She but an everflowing energy not in human form. If you really think God is and old whiteman sitting on a throne then your vision of God is way off.
Once again, get together with the other nutjobs talking to imaginary friends and get it straight. I get confused. You say this, but the others say somehting different.
It would seem that a god so apparant would be plainly identifiable.
Let me know when you all get together with a unified fairy tale. It would be much easier to discuss.
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Quote Originally Posted by D_Unit:
Why do you keep using the word "He" to explain God? God is not He or She but an everflowing energy not in human form. If you really think God is and old whiteman sitting on a throne then your vision of God is way off.
Once again, get together with the other nutjobs talking to imaginary friends and get it straight. I get confused. You say this, but the others say somehting different.
It would seem that a god so apparant would be plainly identifiable.
Let me know when you all get together with a unified fairy tale. It would be much easier to discuss.
By rejecting God, you are not rejecting God as a being, but you are rejecting what he REPRESENTS - ALL GOODNESS.
If you reject all goodness, then what is left?
You are totally correct, but it's a waste of energy trying to enlighten people who are so set in their own beliefs. God is pure positive energy, yet i find who most against a belief in God are cynical depressed souls. Coincidence? Hardly.
Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:
This is where you have it WRONG.
You are acting as if God is a human being.....
By rejecting God, you are not rejecting God as a being, but you are rejecting what he REPRESENTS - ALL GOODNESS.
If you reject all goodness, then what is left?
You are totally correct, but it's a waste of energy trying to enlighten people who are so set in their own beliefs. God is pure positive energy, yet i find who most against a belief in God are cynical depressed souls. Coincidence? Hardly.
By rejecting God, you are not rejecting God as a being, but you are rejecting what he REPRESENTS - ALL GOODNESS.
If you reject all goodness, then what is left?
Rostos -
I do you the courtesy of answering you in post 4758 and you ignore it.
You see - you do this all the time. Anytime you see an answer to one of your own questions you dont like, you ignore it. How can we have this discussion that way? I am not willing to participate with you if we cant have some ground rules.
Its up to you.
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:
This is where you have it WRONG.
You are acting as if God is a human being.....
By rejecting God, you are not rejecting God as a being, but you are rejecting what he REPRESENTS - ALL GOODNESS.
If you reject all goodness, then what is left?
Rostos -
I do you the courtesy of answering you in post 4758 and you ignore it.
You see - you do this all the time. Anytime you see an answer to one of your own questions you dont like, you ignore it. How can we have this discussion that way? I am not willing to participate with you if we cant have some ground rules.
Morals are subjective. My subjective morals say that murder is wrong.
But because morality is subjective, it allows me to judge that murdering Hitler is different than murdering a random person.
Do you even KNOW WHAT SUBJECTIVISM even means? It means it is your PERSONAL PREFERENCE / CHOICE.....DOES NOT MEAN YOU ARE RIGHT. If you like chocolate over vanilla, that is your PERSONAL TASTE / PREFERENCE, does that mean if someone else likes vanilla over chocolate they ARE WRONG?
If you think what Hitler did was wrong, then that is your view, but if i say good on hitler for what he did, then YOU CANNOT SAY I AM WRONG.....
ATHEISM = ABSURDITY
READ THAT AGAIN BEFORE GIVING ME ANOTHER STRAWMAN.
You on the other hand, dont have the ability to think. You cant tell me if it is OK in your la la land world of morality to steal food if you are starving, or if it is OK to disobey mom and dad by lying about murdering Hitler. These things blow your mind because your mind cannot think because your morals are prescribed and absolute.
You are now telling me what is right or wrong in a world of moral relativisim?
You act like you think you know soooooo much, the reality is you know sh##t......If you gave that response to a philosophy professor he will laugh at it and tear it up......
Problem is - they dont work - because they cannot work because they contradict each other.
I tell you what doesnt work, that you cannot tell me that i am wrong in thinking what Casey Anthony did was good, and i completely agree with her.......
Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:
Morals are subjective. My subjective morals say that murder is wrong.
But because morality is subjective, it allows me to judge that murdering Hitler is different than murdering a random person.
Do you even KNOW WHAT SUBJECTIVISM even means? It means it is your PERSONAL PREFERENCE / CHOICE.....DOES NOT MEAN YOU ARE RIGHT. If you like chocolate over vanilla, that is your PERSONAL TASTE / PREFERENCE, does that mean if someone else likes vanilla over chocolate they ARE WRONG?
If you think what Hitler did was wrong, then that is your view, but if i say good on hitler for what he did, then YOU CANNOT SAY I AM WRONG.....
ATHEISM = ABSURDITY
READ THAT AGAIN BEFORE GIVING ME ANOTHER STRAWMAN.
You on the other hand, dont have the ability to think. You cant tell me if it is OK in your la la land world of morality to steal food if you are starving, or if it is OK to disobey mom and dad by lying about murdering Hitler. These things blow your mind because your mind cannot think because your morals are prescribed and absolute.
You are now telling me what is right or wrong in a world of moral relativisim?
You act like you think you know soooooo much, the reality is you know sh##t......If you gave that response to a philosophy professor he will laugh at it and tear it up......
Problem is - they dont work - because they cannot work because they contradict each other.
I tell you what doesnt work, that you cannot tell me that i am wrong in thinking what Casey Anthony did was good, and i completely agree with her.......
It's pretty sad actually that most don't know the true message Jesus was trying to speak, but the democratic powers used it to their own selfish intentions for power and corruption. Most people are in the dark, and will never know the true intentions of Jesus because they fail to research it for themselves rather than to listen to what their atheist and religion counterparts lead you to believe.
It's pretty sad actually that most don't know the true message Jesus was trying to speak, but the democratic powers used it to their own selfish intentions for power and corruption. Most people are in the dark, and will never know the true intentions of Jesus because they fail to research it for themselves rather than to listen to what their atheist and religion counterparts lead you to believe.
But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a woman is her husband, and the head of Christ is God. Any man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head, but any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled dishonors her head--it is the same as if her head were shaven. For if a woman will not veil herself, then she should cut off her hair; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her wear a veil. For a man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. (For man was not made from woman, but woman from man. Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.) That is why a woman ought to have a veil on her head, because of the angels.
Timothy 1 chapter 2:
Also that women should adorn themselves modestly and sensibly in seemly apparel, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly attire but by good deeds, as befits women who profess religion. Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent.
Ephesians 5:22
Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
Exodus 21:
If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.
Leviticus 24:
Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
Is that enough specific examples for you?
Do you even know what a theocracy is?
Do you know what the implications of Christ fulfilling the Mosaic law means?
Cutting and pasting quotes of the bible out of context from an atheistic website?
Not knowing anything about Christianity yet bagging it out?
Bagging out the characteristics of a being that you dont believe exists?
Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:
Corninthians 11:
But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a woman is her husband, and the head of Christ is God. Any man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head, but any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled dishonors her head--it is the same as if her head were shaven. For if a woman will not veil herself, then she should cut off her hair; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her wear a veil. For a man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. (For man was not made from woman, but woman from man. Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.) That is why a woman ought to have a veil on her head, because of the angels.
Timothy 1 chapter 2:
Also that women should adorn themselves modestly and sensibly in seemly apparel, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly attire but by good deeds, as befits women who profess religion. Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent.
Ephesians 5:22
Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
Exodus 21:
If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.
Leviticus 24:
Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
Is that enough specific examples for you?
Do you even know what a theocracy is?
Do you know what the implications of Christ fulfilling the Mosaic law means?
Cutting and pasting quotes of the bible out of context from an atheistic website?
Not knowing anything about Christianity yet bagging it out?
Bagging out the characteristics of a being that you dont believe exists?
Agreed. Subjective means that it is not always right. No argument.
The reason I can say you are wrong if you think Hitler was just - is because society judges you to be incorrect. Simple. There is no absolute right or wrong. Why is this so hard for you to comprehend, and what about that makes my view of subjective morals wrong?
Once again - because there is no absolute wrongs or rights doesnt mean society cant use its collective subjective morality to judge you.
Read that again. No strawmans please.
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Agreed. Subjective means that it is not always right. No argument.
The reason I can say you are wrong if you think Hitler was just - is because society judges you to be incorrect. Simple. There is no absolute right or wrong. Why is this so hard for you to comprehend, and what about that makes my view of subjective morals wrong?
Once again - because there is no absolute wrongs or rights doesnt mean society cant use its collective subjective morality to judge you.
Not knowing anything about Christianity yet bagging it out? 
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