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Quote Originally Posted by mainman11111:

1000 years from now will they be talkin about the bible?

i dont think so... neither will they care about football or obama... i think it will all be relative... even maybe 200 years from now.

a millennia ago  Saxon king was translating the bible to English. and the lords of England constructed the doomsday book, chausier spoke of the corruption in the church "if gold tarnishes what become of iron?"not much changes in 1,000 years in my humble. opinion
 
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is your exact definition of slavery when someone owns someone then reality everyone is owned . corporations own their employees government owns their citizens. choice and freedom are illusions given to masses to believe they are free ppl really none is entirely free if for the basic food we need water and organic material on a daily basis. we are enslaved to the never ending condition. 

Obama is government property the poor man cant simply walk out of the whitehouse go down to the store and buy a pack of smokes.
most men of wealth or fame couldn't it is not tolerated.

institute of slavery is evil by the nature of humans. mostly I see someone gets dumped on and in turn dumps on someone else.
but government enslaves the masses more subtly than to state you are owned. so we are slaves to our self our emotions and our wants desires dreams.

the bible contradicts itself.
the document wasn't written by one man at one time but a few men over hundreds of years facing different trials. Moses leading Hebrews from Egypt I don't believe anticipated Babylon destroying Jeruselem and leading the best tradesmen to  Babylon. Solomon didn't face the temples destruction in 70 ad when he planed to build the temple.
I believe these men saw what was there mostly what they were facing. They did what all societies do
what we face they face same they were poor humble servants of god became well off through blessings found they needed no god arrogant forgot where they came from and they lay destroyed to repeat the cycle.
The story really doesn't change that much. from any empire new or old.




Please stop with the semantics, you know damn well what I mean by slavery. A person that is bought and sold against their will, a person's possession. And I don't need to give you examples, just read your bible. It tells you how you can beat your slave and how long you can have your slave. I don't give me the bad apolologetics that it was a different time or that was the culture. If that is "gods word" it would be easy for "god" to say do not own slaves, do not rape...

A book that contradicts itself, condones slavery, rape, genocide, and murder, and devalues women is not a book I would hold in high regards... 
 
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Posted: #78
Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:


Forget about the bible for a second....is rape, slavery, genocide and murder wrong?

According to what standard are they wrong?

Thats all you are doing, whenever you make a moral claim, you are actually confirming Theism.

This has been answered numerous times in past threads, go back a read it again...
 
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Quote Originally Posted by don juan:


You may have read the Bible, maybe not. If you did, you didn't understand it.
   and you do...

 Overview.. The old testament speaks of the creation of the world, Give us the Law, the Ten Commandments. And predicts a Messiah.

The new testament fulfills the Messiah and the Trinity.

You're skipping a lot...

Who predicts his death ? Who teaches the law, suffers unspeakable cruelty, and gives up his life for others ?

Many people have suffered unspeakable cruelty, given their lives for others, and I'm sure have predicted their death...by the way, thats a story...

And, shows unconditional Love, and Hope ?  Who does that ?

Still waiting for how this is shown 

Only one.







 
 
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Please stop with the semantics, you know damn well what I mean by slavery. A person that is bought and sold against their will, a person's possession. And I don't need to give you examples, just read your bible. It tells you how you can beat your slave and how long you can have your slave. I don't give me the bad apolologetics that it was a different time or that was the culture. If that is "gods word" it would be easy for "god" to say do not own slaves, do not rape...

A book that contradicts itself, condones slavery, rape, genocide, and murder, and devalues women is not a book I would hold in high regards... 
ot.
slavery then be a yes in the bible it was allowed
and you are allowed to serve god or mammon.
guess you made your bed good luck with that.

rape was death by stoning Leviticus.
murder the ten commandments, Leviticus also
genocide. no it wasn't done but thought of
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now your turn how are you not a slave to basic want of food clothing shelter and how does death not free you of these wants.



 
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Posted: #81
Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:

Please stop with the semantics, you know damn well what I mean by slavery. A person that is bought and sold against their will, a person's possession. And I don't need to give you examples, just read your bible. It tells you how you can beat your slave and how long you can have your slave. I don't give me the bad apolologetics that it was a different time or that was the culture. If that is "gods word" it would be easy for "god" to say do not own slaves, do not rape...

A book that contradicts itself, condones slavery, rape, genocide, and murder, and devalues women is not a book I would hold in high regards... 
Again, what are your exact examples of slavery and rape being condoned?  Not how slavery was handled since it was already in place. Where are you implying that rape and slavery were condoned by any religion?
 
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Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


This has been answered numerous times in past threads, go back a read it again...

you read genesis got to part of lot in Sodom and gommorah and the two angels saw what lot said slammed the book and walked away did you read before the girls stepped out he blinded the town and sealed the door and because these ppl were going to have their way with angels destroyed the cities...... or was it at lots words you stopped reading. and went back to your wicca text.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

ot.
slavery then be a yes in the bible it was allowed

So you admit slavery was condoned and you're ok with it. That's about all I need to know about you and your morality. 

and you are allowed to serve god or mammon.
guess you made your bed good luck with that.

I don't serve either one, because I don't believe in fairytales...



rape was death by stoning Leviticus. Duet 20:10-14
murder the ten commandments  Exodus 22:17, Lev 20:13, Lev 20:10..., Leviticus also
genocide Noahs Ark. no it wasn't done but thought of
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now your turn how are you not a slave to basic want of food clothing shelter and how does death not free you of these wants.

My turn for what? That's not even part of the subject...



 
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you read genesis got to part of lot in Sodom and gommorah and the two angels saw what lot said slammed the book and walked away did you read before the girls stepped out he blinded the town and sealed the door and because these ppl were going to have their way with angels destroyed the cities...... or was it at lots words you stopped reading. and went back to your wicca text.



 
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no I am not okay with humans owning humans but I am not so nieve to feel I am not us property . and my god owns this soul.

 
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he owns me you and everything in creation my government owns me. is that a form of feudalism so be it. could be worse.
 
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well if you include noahs arc you will find 2 peter offensive.
but this is where I part ways in the discussion.
your soul is eternal your vessel temporal and 100 years is a blink to eternity.

2 peter ch 3 vs 7-18 this one comes to mind.
gives me hope. gives ungodly concern
science confirms when our star or a star nearby or our galaxy or a galaxy nearby  goes super nova 
this earth will be vaporized.
our star will its not if its when the he2 molecule constructed by fusion starts to become lithium our star will be a red giant the circumference expands to about the mars orbit if it can stabilize then it can remain at that state if it doesn't it will collapse and then destroy the solar system - astrophysics project eli.
 
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Peter  dictated this around 75 ad or so.
galleo didn't exist for hundreds of years.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


This has been answered numerous times in past threads, go back a read it again...

Uhm no....you cannot answer why in the absence of God, those things you mentioned above are wrong.
 
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If i sat on a park bench somewhere busy, Talking to my imaginary friend Timmy people would think i was nuts and report me, Yet when people are in Churches/Mosques and Synagogues, It's okay and accepted, That's religion for you right there.

How is God any different to my imaginary friend Timmy?
 
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System. you said

" Many people have suffered unspeakable cruelty, given their lives for others, and I'm sure have predicted their death...by the way, thats a story..."

Name one person who did that ! Name One !
 
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funny how the baseball gods induct two, and only two guys(new gods) into the hall this year. one a former first overall pick,the second a 62 rounder.
both religious.

the former #1 almost OD on 277 pills when he was 18 years old...
religious himself!

the 62th rounder said to have faith in the righteous man and never gave up hope he would make it big.

its always ironic... always...

one light skin, one dark skin man...

in modern day, theyre our "new gods"

we worship our sports... thats why we are on COVERS! yee

can i get a YEE or AMEN?
 
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Quote Originally Posted by don juan:

System. you said

" Many people have suffered unspeakable cruelty, given their lives for others, and I'm sure have predicted their death...by the way, thats a story..."

Name one person who did that ! Name One !

military give their lives daily for others, many people were crucified...
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:


Uhm no....you cannot answer why in the absence of God, those things you mentioned above are wrong.

yes, it has been answered many times, you just don't like the answer...
 
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Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

no I am not okay with humans owning humans but I am not so nieve to feel I am not us property . and my god owns this soul.


It's pretty simple, if you are ok with a book that tells you how you can beat another person with a rod as long as you don't kill them, then you are ok with treating other humans as less than human and you are a shitty person. And the book you follow is a shitty book to follow for morality...you can stop with all the other semantics of slavery...and no, I am not property of my government or job...
 
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It's pretty simple, if you are ok with a book that tells you how you can beat another person with a rod as long as you don't kill them, then you are ok with treating other humans as less than human and you are a shitty person. And the book you follow is a shitty book to follow for morality...you can stop with all the other semantics of slavery...and no, I am not property of my government or job...
yes I am cold person,
it reached a point what humans do to other humans is not even shocking
I seen it all.
my human condition made me this way.

but my lord is so much better than me in every way
 it makes him the  lord I gladly serve.
keeps my sanity for I will always have hope.
even unto death.
  
 
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yes I am cold person,
it reached a point what humans do to other humans is not even shocking
I seen it all.
my human condition made me this way.

but my lord is so much better than me in every way
 it makes him the  lord I gladly serve.
keeps my sanity for I will always have hope.
even unto death.
  

you are a perfect example why religion is harmful and why we would be better off without it...keep drinking the cool aid and believing in fairytales... 
 
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military give their lives daily for others, many people were crucified...

Come on Man, That is a lame answer.  You're losing this debate.

Name ONE person!  ONE.  ONE !
 
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you are a perfect example why religion is harmful and why we would be better off without it...keep drinking the cool aid and believing in fairytales... 

and your the perfect reason why athesist not enough proof could be given
to a beliver no proof is needed.

but to pick this one if its a fairy tale then why would you believe it was so important your emotion shows you do believe you just don't like the story.
for me its a happy ending for you well good luck with dat
 
 
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religion isn't harmful , humans are.
its like guns don't kill ppl bullets do.
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