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Posted: #251
Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1:

This might have been asked, i dont feel like reading the whole thread again, forgive me. But just as you are not willing to accept big bang as to the start of all creation, cant you see how plausible it is that alot of people cant accept a god creator.I mean he/she/it/ had to come from something also.I do recall the bible as stating he created us in his image.

Logically you can believe in god and the big bang. They aren't logical contradictions. 

Also there is a new theory pre big bang now called inflationary theory 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1:

This might have been asked, i dont feel like reading the whole thread again, forgive me. But just as you are not willing to accept big bang as to the start of all creation, cant you see how plausible it is that alot of people cant accept a god creator.I mean he/she/it/ had to come from something also.I do recall the bible as stating he created us in his image.

This is a technical semantic problem and i can see why some people get confused. God by definition is a supreme being, not a mortal being, as a supreme being he has the ability to create a universe 

Nothing by definition cannot create something 
 
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Posted: #253
Supreme being had to come from something, as you said nothing from nothing leaves nothing.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1:

History shows that plane A so far has been perfectly safe and i assume it will continue to be, and yes the evidence supports this assumption.

So you have 100% proof and evidence the plane wont crash?

I am sorry Biscuit, but you don't have any evidence, you have faith and trust that the airline will continue its good record.

You don't know for a fact the pilot wont make an error, have a heart attack, one of the mechanics makes a fatal mistake, a couple of birds wont hit the engines etc etc

You draw from evidences around you , however, you don't know for a fact it wont crash.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

So you have 100% proof and evidence the plane wont crash?

I am sorry Biscuit, but you don't have any evidence, you have faith and trust that the airline will continue its good record.

You don't know for a fact the pilot wont make an error, have a heart attack, one of the mechanics makes a fatal mistake, a couple of birds wont hit the engines etc etc

You draw from evidences around you , however, you don't know for a fact it wont crash.

Your last sentence says it all brother, and it has nothing to do with faith.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1:

Your last sentence says it all brother, and it has nothing to do with faith.

People have flown before and survived. Therefore, you can look to past flights and come up with a % chance you have of surviving a flight and base your decision on that.

Please explain to me how this same process applies to faith in a supreme being.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


People have flown before and survived. Therefore, you can look to past flights and come up with a % chance you have of surviving a flight and base your decision on that.

Please explain to me how this same process applies to faith in a supreme being.

Because he can look at past instances where there have been supreme beings...oh wait, he can't 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1:

Supreme being had to come from something, as you said nothing from nothing leaves nothing.

A Supreme being is eternal, not having a beginning or an ending.  A being which is everlasting, not needing anything or relying on anything for its existence. That is the definition of a Supreme being.

God the Supreme being is an uncaused being that caused everything else to come into existence.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

A Supreme being is eternal, not having a beginning or an ending.  A being which is everlasting, not needing anything or relying on anything for its existence. That is the definition of a Supreme being.

God the Supreme being is an uncaused being that caused everything else to come into existence.


What if the universe itself or whatever came before this particular universe is eternal?
 
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Posted: #261
Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

A Supreme being is eternal, not having a beginning or an ending.  A being which is everlasting, not needing anything or relying on anything for its existence. That is the definition of a Supreme being.

God the Supreme being is an uncaused being that caused everything else to come into existence.

To believe that does indeed require faith, more power to ya Myself, i aint buying it.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

A Supreme being is eternal, not having a beginning or an ending.  A being which is everlasting, not needing anything or relying on anything for its existence. That is the definition of a Supreme being.

God the Supreme being is an uncaused being that caused everything else to come into existence.


Yes this is the definition and characteristics of God 

 
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KittyKat -IF the universe itself can't come into being, if you accept the universe had a beginning. If you go with the view the universe has always existed, then God is the universe itself. Whatever laws of physics and, space, time and energy is GOD. If there is something before the universe the best word to fit the definition is GOD (unless you can think of a better word to fit the bill?).

Biscuiter - You don't have to believe in anything, you are stuck with no inference to any explanation. Athiests do not have any explanation how the universe began. The big bang, inflationary theory etc, there was already energy, space, time, law of physics, where did all the above come from? 

It all comes back to the question why is there something , rather than nothing?


 
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KittyKat -IF the universe itself can't come into being, if you accept the universe had a beginning. If you go with the view the universe has always existed, then God is the universe itself. Whatever laws of physics and, space, time and energy is GOD. If there is something before the universe the best word to fit the definition is GOD (unless you can think of a better word to fit the bill?).

Biscuiter - You don't have to believe in anything, you are stuck with no inference to any explanation. Athiests do not have any explanation how the universe began. The big bang, inflationary theory etc, there was already energy, space, time, law of physics, where did all the above come from? 

It all comes back to the question why is there something , rather than nothing?



If we call the universe "god," that doesn't change anything. All it does is assign a name for the universe. It doesn't give god the characteristics of your god. Labeling the universe with the name "god" and saying god exists does not mean the same thing as believing in god.
 
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I believe in Spinoza's God 
 
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BTW kitty what is your view? Did the universe begin to exist, or is it eternal?
 
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Quote Originally Posted by GSP10:

BTW kitty what is your view? Did the universe begin to exist, or is it eternal?

I don't know.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1:

Your last sentence says it all brother, and it has nothing to do with faith.

Do you know how to read bud?

Plane A has a 100% safety record.

Plane B has a 60% safety record.

You are deciding which plane to fly in. It requires less faith to fly in Plane A than Plane B. You come to this conclusion simply by looking at the evidences of both planes.

Nevertheless, if you choose to fly in Plane A, you still require faith as you do not know for certain 100% evidence that plane A will not crash.

If you think you know for a fact that plane A will not crash, then you are lying, NO ONE KNOWS THE FUTURE. to say you do is a  plain lie.

We apply the same methodology to our every day life.

We are on a gambling forum, when you place a bet on the Atlanta Hawks to beat a team, you do not know for a fact 100% proof that the team will come out with energy, motivation etc etc. You have faith that they will come out with energy etc etc, so much so, that you put your hard earned on them. If you didn't have faith in them, you wouldn't put $$ on them.

Everyday in our lives, we exercise faith, not blind faith, but faith based on deductive reasoning from the evidences around us.

Here is another example. Science has shown that the universe began to exist, space, time and matter began to exist. This is the evidence we have. What deductive reasoning can we draw from this? Space, time and energy created itself out of nothing for nothing, by nothing? Nothing in our everyday life and reasoning shows us that nothing can produce something, let alone a universe, yet atheists believe this. Their is no other alternative for atheists, They realise this and hide behind "I don't know", simply because they realise how ridiculous believing that something can come from nothing sounds.

everyone has faith bud, everyone....different people put there faith in different things...

This site is full of people who put there faith daily in professional athletes turning up and playing well....No one knows who is gonna win for a fact on any given night

 
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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


What if the universe itself or whatever came before this particular universe is eternal?

1.Everything that begins to exist has a cause.

2.The universe began to exist

3.God is the cause of the universe

God did not begin to exist, He is eternal in the past. The definition is "everything that begins to exist has a cause"

space, time and matter began to exist, including the point of singularity from which the space, time continuam began to from.

This is a big problem for Atheists, so much so they posit a multiverse (which we have no evidence for). Atheists in the past used to believe in an eternal universe, simply because they know the problems a beginning of a universe creates for atheism.

 
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Posted: #270
Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

1.Everything that begins to exist has a cause.

2.The universe began to exist

3.God is the cause of the universe

God did not begin to exist, He is eternal in the past. The definition is "everything that begins to exist has a cause"

space, time and matter began to exist, including the point of singularity from which the space, time continuam began to from.

This is a big problem for Atheists, so much so they posit a multiverse (which we have no evidence for). Atheists in the past used to believe in an eternal universe, simply because they know the problems a beginning of a universe creates for atheism.


You have said absolutely nothing. My original question still remains a possibility.
 
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Posted: #271
Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


I don't know.
Nor does anyone.Good day my friends.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

Do you know how to read bud?

Plane A has a 100% safety record.

Plane B has a 60% safety record.

You are deciding which plane to fly in. It requires less faith to fly in Plane A than Plane B. You come to this conclusion simply by looking at the evidences of both planes.

Nevertheless, if you choose to fly in Plane A, you still require faith as you do not know for certain 100% evidence that plane A will not crash.

If you think you know for a fact that plane A will not crash, then you are lying, NO ONE KNOWS THE FUTURE. to say you do is a  plain lie.

We apply the same methodology to our every day life.

We are on a gambling forum, when you place a bet on the Atlanta Hawks to beat a team, you do not know for a fact 100% proof that the team will come out with energy, motivation etc etc. You have faith that they will come out with energy etc etc, so much so, that you put your hard earned on them. If you didn't have faith in them, you wouldn't put $$ on them.

Everyday in our lives, we exercise faith, not blind faith, but faith based on deductive reasoning from the evidences around us.

Here is another example. Science has shown that the universe began to exist, space, time and matter began to exist. This is the evidence we have. What deductive reasoning can we draw from this? Space, time and energy created itself out of nothing for nothing, by nothing? Nothing in our everyday life and reasoning shows us that nothing can produce something, let alone a universe, yet atheists believe this. Their is no other alternative for atheists, They realise this and hide behind "I don't know", simply because they realise how ridiculous believing that something can come from nothing sounds.

everyone has faith bud, everyone....different people put there faith in different things...

This site is full of people who put there faith daily in professional athletes turning up and playing well....No one knows who is gonna win for a fact on any given night

No it requires less brains and more balls to fly in plane B.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

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that certainly qualifies in the new and improved crazy christians thread with stricter standards.

if i was the judge, these two pieces of garbage would never see the light of day again.  that has to be an extremely painful (and of course completely avoidable) way to go.  not sure how they avoided jail time.  damn liberal judges.  
 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

https://i.imgur.com/zxK2ARg.png

He would have been better off in plane B. At least if it crashed he would have gone much more quickly and in less pain. 

Good thing his parents had "faith" and God heard their answer. 

Honestly, if there was a God and that was his response to prayer, I think we would all be better off with God not in our lives. 


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