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scalabrine

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Posted: Mar. 25, 2015 - 10:58 PM ET #26

Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:

I also want to add that the ending to Raw was the weakest setup to any PPV main event that I have ever seen. And to add that it's the setup to the main event at Wrestlemania involving the 2 baddest dudes in the company is a complete joke.

Another line I'm sure we can expect is "Will Rollins cash in." That's a tough one. Could be possible but I don't think they'd do that at a WM. Everyone thought Ziggler would cash his in at WM but he ended up doing it at the Raw show after. Lesnar can't hold the title until next WM, can he? And if he wins, Rollins will have to cash it in against him soon as his clock is running out. Dare they do a screwjob and have the entire authority come out and beat up the champ to have Rollins win? So many possibilities and I can't just read that situation.

A big harsh Spark.

They were trying to reenact Punk Cena where Punk actually became the face by raising the title over Cena. It worked to perfection (I just didn't like that Rollins grabbed it from him, or tried to at least).

I would have wanted more but what can ya do.

The ending where sting attacked the Authority with Orton the week prior more than made up for it.

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Posted: Mar. 25, 2015 - 11:13 PM ET #27

I've come across an interesting piece of news guys. Depending on the quality of Sting's match with triple H and Undertaker's match with Bray Wyatt. If both have great matches Monday Night on Raw we may have Sting and Undertaker face to face setting up a match for Wrestlemania 32 in Dallas

scalabrine

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Posted: Mar. 26, 2015 - 12:56 AM ET #28

Cena is now -450 over Rusev (AWFUL odds) but if there ever was a lock after Sting beating Triple H, that is the one.

Cena has been squashed countless times (the worst being to Brock in the most embarrassing squash he'll even succumb to), pushed out of the title picture, is fighting for America (always a pro wrestling angle where the 'hero' wins), and has already laid down to Rusev. Plus they need to get the belt off Rusev to possibly put him into the World Title picture (vs. Brock)?

I see no way Cena loses this match.

Maybe the odds can come down but I doubt it.

scalabrine

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Posted: Mar. 26, 2015 - 12:56 AM ET #29

Quote Originally Posted by packers1992:

I've come across an interesting piece of news guys. Depending on the quality of Sting's match with triple H and Undertaker's match with Bray Wyatt. If both have great matches Monday Night on Raw we may have Sting and Undertaker face to face setting up a match for Wrestlemania 32 in Dallas

Not sure...both men are very, very....old...

Sparky10191

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Posted: Mar. 27, 2015 - 11:33 AM ET #30

Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

A big harsh Spark.

I would have wanted more but what can ya do.

The ending where sting attacked the Authority with Orton the week prior more than made up for it.

I liked when Reigns ripped the title from him. But when they both held on to it and it went off air...I thought that was a joke. Punk v Cena wasn't the 2 baddest guys in the business going at it. I don't know...it just seemed like it made Brock look weak without making Reigns look strong and I thought the point was to NEVER make Brock look weak. That's just my opinion.

I agree that the Orton/Sting ending was awesome.

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Posted: Mar. 27, 2015 - 11:42 AM ET #31

Taker puts everything into these matches. I would love for some sort of Taker v Sting tease at WM or Taker v Lesnar Part 2 tease (not unfathomable). Could you imagine Lesnar winning and then Taker's music hitting to either end the show or distract him with Rollins cashing in? That would be crazy. But to do that, you would need a guarantee that Taker is in for next year's WM and that's never the case. However...Taker is from Texas so it would be awesome to have him involved in that WM that wants to break attendance records.

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Posted: Mar. 27, 2015 - 12:02 PM ET #32

Lesnar's new deal is for 3 years and apparently his promos directing at Rock, Taker and Cena are all set up for potentially matches at WM next year with him v Rock as the first choice.

Rock -120 now on whether he'll be in the ring at WM. I think it can happen as he celebrates with Reigns following a win or comes out to console him after a loss and maybe set up a match with Brock at next year's WM. I think Brock would love to face Rock at WM next year as well so it's possible. But I'm just hesitant because they did that for the Royal Rumble and it didn't help Reigns at all.

Reigns -180

Sting -825

Mizdow -140

DB -320

Taker -460

How does Taker lose this? That's a solid line for parlays, imo.

Rollins -195

mikeyv31

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Posted: Mar. 27, 2015 - 4:29 PM ET #33

what books are offering these bets?

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Posted: Mar. 27, 2015 - 11:07 PM ET #34

I am starting to get interested in this main event.. they could do anything with it now that lesnar is back... but the future showstopper seth rollins may cash in.. the rock could interfere somehow or vince himself is rumored to make an appearance sunday..

scalabrine

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Posted: Mar. 27, 2015 - 11:27 PM ET #35

Here's an interesting point I heard someone bring up on a podcast that may take a little wind out of the Taker appearance (that virtually every fan is on edge for since he didn't make a Raw appearance).

WrestleMania 31 will be the thirty-first annual WrestleMania professional wrestling pay-per-view (PPV) event produced by WWE. It is scheduled to take place on March 29, 2015, at Levi's Stadium in Santa Clara, California.^[2]

The show ENDS at 8PM and the main event is not Taker/Wyatt or Sting/HHH obviously.

That means that for one of the two if not both of the two, the best they can ask for is the sun going down during their entrance. So I'm pretty positive Taker will be the second to last match to get full druid effect with the torches and what not (if they even do that again).

That means Sting will enter into a somewhat lit stadium, if not fully lit.

I just found the logistics of two guys entrances, who's benchmark is a dark arena (and that includes Bray Wyatt come to think of it), having to deal with the sun and an open stadium. I'm not a fan of open stadiums for wrestling events.

If they don't make Taker Wyatt second to last, they will be making a huge mistake.

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Posted: Mar. 27, 2015 - 11:40 PM ET #36

Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

The show ENDS at 8PM and the main event is not Taker/Wyatt or Sting/HHH obviously.

That means Sting will enter into a somewhat lit stadium, if not fully lit.

If they don't make Taker Wyatt second to last, they will be making a huge mistake.

That is some cool info, Scal. I didn't think of that before. Something else to watch.

I do remember WM 19 (2003) when Undertaker fought in the second match of the night in Seattle. Before even the women and some tag team title match took place.This was obviously before "the streak" became a huge thing. LOL it sounds weird now. And it was vs A-Train and Big Show. Talk about making Show look weak. Anyway, good info on your part.

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Posted: Mar. 28, 2015 - 10:37 AM ET #37

Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:

Taker puts everything into these matches. I would love for some sort of Taker v Sting tease at WM or Taker v Lesnar Part 2 tease (not unfathomable). Could you imagine Lesnar winning and then Taker's music hitting to either end the show or distract him with Rollins cashing in? That would be crazy. But to do that, you would need a guarantee that Taker is in for next year's WM and that's never the case. However...Taker is from Texas so it would be awesome to have him involved in that WM that wants to break attendance records.

Even with the words 'not unfathomable' you give the WWE writers WAY too much credit.

But come to think of it, that would be a PERFECT way to distract Lesnar for a cash-in.

I'd love to see Rollings cash-in on Reigns if he won it but the cash-in is now a Raw moment it seems and I don't mind that. When Ziggler cashed in on Del Rio he got one of the biggest pops on Raw ever.

Ya know what I find funny though? Will the cash-in ever result in the title NOT changing hands EVER again??? Probably not.

Sparky10191

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Posted: Mar. 28, 2015 - 12:03 PM ET #38

Scal,

And an interesting number to put into perspective for Taker is the new bet that just popped up...

Undertaker Entrance Over 285 Seconds -350

Under +250

I'd lean on the over because holding him off TV is to make this moment that much more surprising. Nearly 5 minutes is a lot but it's from the opening gong to the opening bell and more can happen considering Bray is his own character and may extend the opening before the bell.

Also...I can see the cash-in not resulting in a title change because, I get that we had Sandow lose his chance but if they keep making the success rate 100%, it takes away from it. However...the anticipation of WHEN they cash it in has become a spectacle in it's own right so maybe the 100% rate isn't an issue.

Rollins v Reigns is the expected post-WM feud, which can happen whether Reigns wins or loses so that's why predicting the winner of that match is more difficult. Like nikki said in the earlier post, with the re-signing of Lesnar, the outcome is completely up in the air, which is why they wanted Lesnar to announce this on Raw. With that said...it also guarantees that the crowd will be pro-Lesnar and anti-Reigns.

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Posted: Mar. 28, 2015 - 12:14 PM ET #39

Updates Lines (Initial/End of Broadcast)

Rock in ring -150

NO +110

Lesnar -110/-105

Reigns -135/-135

Sting -825

HHH +475

DB -380

Field +260

Rusev +400

Cena -600

AJ/Paige -380

Bellas +260

Taker -460

Bray +320

Orton +120

Rollins -160

Kidd/Cesaro -270

Field +190 (Usos/New Day/Los Matadores)

Battle Royal

Mizdow -125/Field -115

Sheamus +175/Field -245

I see value in taking Sheamus against Mizdow. Mizdow can get over simply by eliminating Miz and doesn't need to win this to get a push because it'll lead to a singles feud with Miz. The 2 ways to have Sheamus turn heel at WM would be to eliminate Mizdow or beat Daniel Bryan in the ladder match.

The other 2 closest lines are Ryback +700 and Hideo Itami +900. I could see a case being made for each to win because winning this match gives a new storyline for anyone who wins it without having to put too much effort into it. Lets not forget that an NXT star got a huge push immediately following WM last year with Paige but she wasn't at WM like Itami is.

Axel is +2500. I've loved this Axel schtick since I was watching the RR and kept saying that he's still in the match and they made that his thing but, unfortunately, he'll be done after this match. #AxelMania

packers1992

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Posted: Mar. 28, 2015 - 3:33 PM ET #40

I like the Bellas value. What's the point of having them lose to AJ and Paige?

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Posted: Mar. 28, 2015 - 6:00 PM ET #41

Quote Originally Posted by packers1992:

I like the Bellas value. What's the point of having them lose to AJ and Paige?

I dont get it as well. Bella's are heels but......who gives a fukk about the Diva's division? I dont understand why the others are favored.

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Posted: Mar. 28, 2015 - 6:02 PM ET #42

I think the Sheamus play at + money is a good play.

Also, why not Orton? dont get that one.

scalabrine

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Posted: Mar. 28, 2015 - 10:40 PM ET #43

Come on, we still have no consensus on Lesnar Rollins in this thread?

This is the question...

Is the WWE going to give THREE STRAIGHT PPV wins to Rollins including WM??!!! All while he was getting booed for one of two and half of the other?

Are they really going to shove him down our throats like this, even after the Lesnar contract was signed???

Can we take Lesnar???

P.S. Spark - I don't want to touch that Undertaker prop. 5 minutes is a damn long time to come to a ring....

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Posted: Mar. 29, 2015 - 2:10 AM ET #44

Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

Come on, we still have no consensus on Lesnar Rollins in this thread?

This is the question...

Is the WWE going to give THREE STRAIGHT PPV wins to Rollins including WM??!!! All while he was getting booed for one of two and half of the other?

Are they really going to shove him down our throats like this, even after the Lesnar contract was signed???

Can we take Lesnar???

P.S. Spark - I don't want to touch that Undertaker prop. 5 minutes is a damn long time to come to a ring....

What consensus you blithering idiot? Only way Rollins and Lesnar get in the ring together is if Rollins cashes his MITB contract.

Rollins hasn't won three straight PPV's either. He lost against Lesnar at Royal Rumble two events back....

Get your head out of your behind

scalabrine

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Posted: Mar. 29, 2015 - 10:29 AM ET #45

Quote Originally Posted by SidePiece:

What consensus you blithering idiot? Only way Rollins and Lesnar get in the ring together is if Rollins cashes his MITB contract.

Rollins hasn't won three straight PPV's either. He lost against Lesnar at Royal Rumble two events back....

Get your head out of your behind

Rollins is a typo you fool. It's Reigns.

("All while getting booed" doesn't give that away you idiot???)

Now GTFO here. You already ruined one thread and you're here to ruin another.

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Posted: Mar. 29, 2015 - 11:46 AM ET #46

Since the Bellas match is not for the title,and we've seen AJ and Paige scuffle on Raw,this would be a good opportunity for Brie to turn on Nikki,setting up a 4-way for the Divas title at some point.

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Posted: Mar. 29, 2015 - 11:55 AM ET #47

Apparently Sting and Undertaker are booked for Raw. That doesn't mean that they will appear but they're expected to be there.

Sting was asked about his future and while he thinks this is his last match...he said he'd consider another match at Survivor Series or WM depending on the reaction and how this all goes over.

Hideo Itami used the GTS for the first time on Friday. All the "smart" fans at WM know about the connection between that him and Punk using that move so I wonder if they'll let him use it in the battle royal. I think that would be awesome to get a reaction.

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Posted: Mar. 29, 2015 - 12:17 PM ET #48

Sparky, I also thought about the GTS in the BR. That will get a big reaction from the crowd.

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Posted: Mar. 29, 2015 - 12:21 PM ET #49

If they are going to turn Brock full babyface (which is rumored) having Heyman turn on him or having the Authority interfere so Seth cashes in would be the two options I see for doing that

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Posted: Mar. 29, 2015 - 12:23 PM ET #50

I actually want to enjoy WM tonight and, since Lesnar v Reigns is so up in the air, I'm going to steer clear from this thread and the lines the rest of the day because once those lines jump, we will know the winners.

However...if anyone plans on checking...I'm interested to know at what time the lines do jump for each match. So if you could post them, that would be great. There have been instances where there were a few lines that didn't jump and I wonder if Lesnar/Reigns will be one like that because I think they're keeping that outcome as close to the vest as Lesnar/Taker last year.

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