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    WhiteMice
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    Posted: Jun. 29, 2010 - 4:09 PM ET #51

    You live and die by Gov't Bible studies...so I guess anything I post will be a joking manner.  Try searching the New England Journal of Medicine for aspartame.  Thousands of others...but they may not meet your FedGov't-Only taset results...even though 15 years of various documentation cites evidence after evidence.  I will link one, please take the time to read it.  Note the different agencies mentioned before you again call this Dr. out as a quack as you did Mercola..  And as far as all the EXPERT Gov't, never wrong--always correct studiesyou so defend...I think the FDA has been defending the safety of avandia for how long now?  7 years?  10 years?  All of a sudden they're shitting their pants...whoops..."we may have been mistaken"??
    Jeezus is right.  Guess Bookieassassin is too.
    Kindly read in it's entirety..
    https://www.janethull.com/newsletter/0808/the_spin_on_aspartame.php

    https://www.dldewey.com/columns/asparst2.htm
    I'm sure these are just jokes.  As avandia has been to FDA.

    Yes Game OVA.  If you want to keep arguing it, feel free. You're just trying to argue...change the topic..whatever...for arguements sake.  As I said drink it, put it on your cereal, your choice...
    I mean afterall, avandia will control type 2 diabetes safely.  Up until yesterday anyway...
    Pound your head on the wall.  Your subjectivity is obviously closed to any reason.
    As Bookie said.

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    You live and die by Gov't Bible studies...so I guess anything I post will be a joking manner.  Try searching the New England Journal of Medicine for aspartame.  Thousands of others...but they may not meet your FedGov't-Only taset results...even though 15 years of various documentation cites evidence after evidence.  I will link one, please take the time to read it.  Note the different agencies mentioned before you again call this Dr. out as a quack as you did Mercola..  And as far as all the EXPERT Gov't, never wrong--always correct studiesyou so defend...I think the FDA has been defending the safety of avandia for how long now?  7 years?  10 years?  All of a sudden they're shitting their pants...whoops..."we may have been mistaken"??
    Jeezus is right.  Guess Bookieassassin is too.
    Kindly read in it's entirety..
    https://www.janethull.com/newsletter/0808/the_spin_on_aspartame.php

    https://www.dldewey.com/columns/asparst2.htm
    I'm sure these are just jokes.  As avandia has been to FDA.

    Yes Game OVA.  If you want to keep arguing it, feel free. You're just trying to argue...change the topic..whatever...for arguements sake.  As I said drink it, put it on your cereal, your choice...
    I mean afterall, avandia will control type 2 diabetes safely.  Up until yesterday anyway...
    Pound your head on the wall.  Your subjectivity is obviously closed to any reason.
    As Bookie said.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 29, 2010 - 5:46 PM ET #52

    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteMice:

    You live and die by Gov't Bible studies...so I guess anything I post will be a joking manner.  Try searching the New England Journal of Medicine for aspartame.  Thousands of others...but they may not meet your FedGov't-Only taset results...even though 15 years of various documentation cites evidence after evidence.  I will link one, please take the time to read it.  Note the different agencies mentioned before you again call this Dr. out as a quack as you did Mercola..  And as far as all the EXPERT Gov't, never wrong--always correct studiesyou so defend...I think the FDA has been defending the safety of avandia for how long now?  7 years?  10 years?  All of a sudden they're shitting their pants...whoops..."we may have been mistaken"??
    Jeezus is right.  Guess Bookieassassin is too.
    Kindly read in it's entirety..
    https://www.janethull.com/newsletter/0808/the_spin_on_aspartame.php

    https://www.dldewey.com/columns/asparst2.htm
    I'm sure these are just jokes.  As avandia has been to FDA.

    Yes Game OVA.  If you want to keep arguing it, feel free. You're just trying to argue...change the topic..whatever...for arguements sake.  As I said drink it, put it on your cereal, your choice...
    I mean afterall, avandia will control type 2 diabetes safely.  Up until yesterday anyway...
    Pound your head on the wall.  Your subjectivity is obviously closed to any reason.
    As Bookie said.

    So basically you believe it is bad because you heard it was bad and have some articles that say its bad? Thats cool. Enjoy. To say that asparatame alone cuases all these side effects is simply ignorant.

    I will continue to enjoy my crystal light. You and me still have a roughly 1 in 4 chance of getting cancer regardless of our choice of beverages. So I dont know what you're eating or drinking, but you better check the label because whatever is in it is likely linked to side effects and cancer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteMice:

    You live and die by Gov't Bible studies...so I guess anything I post will be a joking manner.  Try searching the New England Journal of Medicine for aspartame.  Thousands of others...but they may not meet your FedGov't-Only taset results...even though 15 years of various documentation cites evidence after evidence.  I will link one, please take the time to read it.  Note the different agencies mentioned before you again call this Dr. out as a quack as you did Mercola..  And as far as all the EXPERT Gov't, never wrong--always correct studiesyou so defend...I think the FDA has been defending the safety of avandia for how long now?  7 years?  10 years?  All of a sudden they're shitting their pants...whoops..."we may have been mistaken"??
    Jeezus is right.  Guess Bookieassassin is too.
    Kindly read in it's entirety..
    https://www.janethull.com/newsletter/0808/the_spin_on_aspartame.php

    https://www.dldewey.com/columns/asparst2.htm
    I'm sure these are just jokes.  As avandia has been to FDA.

    Yes Game OVA.  If you want to keep arguing it, feel free. You're just trying to argue...change the topic..whatever...for arguements sake.  As I said drink it, put it on your cereal, your choice...
    I mean afterall, avandia will control type 2 diabetes safely.  Up until yesterday anyway...
    Pound your head on the wall.  Your subjectivity is obviously closed to any reason.
    As Bookie said.

    So basically you believe it is bad because you heard it was bad and have some articles that say its bad? Thats cool. Enjoy. To say that asparatame alone cuases all these side effects is simply ignorant.

    I will continue to enjoy my crystal light. You and me still have a roughly 1 in 4 chance of getting cancer regardless of our choice of beverages. So I dont know what you're eating or drinking, but you better check the label because whatever is in it is likely linked to side effects and cancer.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 29, 2010 - 10:26 PM ET #53

    To say that aspartame does not cause side effects...only because the NCI, FDA, and other "pay-me-off"  Gov't agencies dont have "sufficient evidence" is simply ignorant...
    Because all those publishing statistically proven cases in the New England Journal of Medicine...who practice at Mayo and Cleveland Clinics...and countless other "NON" gov't agencies are "quacks"...
    Hmmm...how much did Sen. Howard Metzenbaum pocket to turn his shoulder and zip his mouth regarding such studies...Hmmm???
    Ask all those taking FDA's "safe" avandia patients who have suffered heart attacks...and now get to hear the FDA say they may "have been mistaken" ...
    So basically...you are so full of yourself...that you STILL have no fricking clue what is fact and what is faction...only what you want to believe because of who did or did not state a certain fact...and only you will decide who is qualified to make that call...
    Maybe it's time you call Scalabrine and try to somehow interject racism, religion, or sexism into the discusiion...
    Check your labels, contact the FDA, and have a real spin-off
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    To say that aspartame does not cause side effects...only because the NCI, FDA, and other "pay-me-off"  Gov't agencies dont have "sufficient evidence" is simply ignorant...
    Because all those publishing statistically proven cases in the New England Journal of Medicine...who practice at Mayo and Cleveland Clinics...and countless other "NON" gov't agencies are "quacks"...
    Hmmm...how much did Sen. Howard Metzenbaum pocket to turn his shoulder and zip his mouth regarding such studies...Hmmm???
    Ask all those taking FDA's "safe" avandia patients who have suffered heart attacks...and now get to hear the FDA say they may "have been mistaken" ...
    So basically...you are so full of yourself...that you STILL have no fricking clue what is fact and what is faction...only what you want to believe because of who did or did not state a certain fact...and only you will decide who is qualified to make that call...
    Maybe it's time you call Scalabrine and try to somehow interject racism, religion, or sexism into the discusiion...
    Check your labels, contact the FDA, and have a real spin-off
     
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    Posted: Jun. 29, 2010 - 10:31 PM ET #54

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    Posted: Jun. 29, 2010 - 11:46 PM ET #55

    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteMice:

    To say that aspartame does not cause side effects...only because the NCI, FDA, and other "pay-me-off"  Gov't agencies dont have "sufficient evidence" is simply ignorant...
    Because all those publishing statistically proven cases in the New England Journal of Medicine...who practice at Mayo and Cleveland Clinics...and countless other "NON" gov't agencies are "quacks"...
    Hmmm...how much did Sen. Howard Metzenbaum pocket to turn his shoulder and zip his mouth regarding such studies...Hmmm???
    Ask all those taking FDA's "safe" avandia patients who have suffered heart attacks...and now get to hear the FDA say they may "have been mistaken" ...
    So basically...you are so full of yourself...that you STILL have no fricking clue what is fact and what is faction...only what you want to believe because of who did or did not state a certain fact...and only you will decide who is qualified to make that call...
    Maybe it's time you call Scalabrine and try to somehow interject racism, religion, or sexism into the discusiion...
    Check your labels, contact the FDA, and have a real spin-off

    So your paranoia is better? Who do you believe? Yep, crystal light is killin people by the thousands

    Still havent seen you prove your point....bunch of theories that have been disproven. Of course you find one case that the FDA was wrong and keep bringing that up. Are you 100% sure you are right....cuz I'm not 100% sure I am. I just know that delusional paranoia and unsubstaniated accusations are not the stuff I wanna put my hopes and beliefs on....

    GL being a sheep

    By the way....my raspberry lemonade CL is delicious!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteMice:

    To say that aspartame does not cause side effects...only because the NCI, FDA, and other "pay-me-off"  Gov't agencies dont have "sufficient evidence" is simply ignorant...
    Because all those publishing statistically proven cases in the New England Journal of Medicine...who practice at Mayo and Cleveland Clinics...and countless other "NON" gov't agencies are "quacks"...
    Hmmm...how much did Sen. Howard Metzenbaum pocket to turn his shoulder and zip his mouth regarding such studies...Hmmm???
    Ask all those taking FDA's "safe" avandia patients who have suffered heart attacks...and now get to hear the FDA say they may "have been mistaken" ...
    So basically...you are so full of yourself...that you STILL have no fricking clue what is fact and what is faction...only what you want to believe because of who did or did not state a certain fact...and only you will decide who is qualified to make that call...
    Maybe it's time you call Scalabrine and try to somehow interject racism, religion, or sexism into the discusiion...
    Check your labels, contact the FDA, and have a real spin-off

    So your paranoia is better? Who do you believe? Yep, crystal light is killin people by the thousands

    Still havent seen you prove your point....bunch of theories that have been disproven. Of course you find one case that the FDA was wrong and keep bringing that up. Are you 100% sure you are right....cuz I'm not 100% sure I am. I just know that delusional paranoia and unsubstaniated accusations are not the stuff I wanna put my hopes and beliefs on....

    GL being a sheep

    By the way....my raspberry lemonade CL is delicious!!!!

     
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    Posted: Jun. 30, 2010 - 4:14 PM ET #56

    ONE CASE that the FDA was wrong. LMAO... How long did the FDA warn us that cigarette smoking "may cause" heart attacks?  And never mention lung cancer?  How many politicians were getting stroked by Phillip Morris?  Avandia?  No dissertation for me on that one??  No retort for the Metzenbaum comment???  You're so on top of nothing it's pathetic. 
    New England Journal of Medicine.  "Unsubstantiated Claims"??  How can you prove if someone drinks a twelve-pack and runs of the road that alcohol caused it?  Maybe a bee flew up his nose?  How can you prove if a guy smokes two packs a day and gets lung cancer that it's not just hereditary?  You can't.  Every thing in life is "unsubstantiated"...that's your reasoning....
    Indeed...what a tool you are...as bookieassassin and the pb crew pointed out.
    Go talk to yourself in the mirror.  Better yet, o pound a wall.  You may win a debate against a non-thinking stack of bricks.  Don't think you fared too well here...
    You're the only jackass that doesn't realize it...

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    ONE CASE that the FDA was wrong. LMAO... How long did the FDA warn us that cigarette smoking "may cause" heart attacks?  And never mention lung cancer?  How many politicians were getting stroked by Phillip Morris?  Avandia?  No dissertation for me on that one??  No retort for the Metzenbaum comment???  You're so on top of nothing it's pathetic. 
    New England Journal of Medicine.  "Unsubstantiated Claims"??  How can you prove if someone drinks a twelve-pack and runs of the road that alcohol caused it?  Maybe a bee flew up his nose?  How can you prove if a guy smokes two packs a day and gets lung cancer that it's not just hereditary?  You can't.  Every thing in life is "unsubstantiated"...that's your reasoning....
    Indeed...what a tool you are...as bookieassassin and the pb crew pointed out.
    Go talk to yourself in the mirror.  Better yet, o pound a wall.  You may win a debate against a non-thinking stack of bricks.  Don't think you fared too well here...
    You're the only jackass that doesn't realize it...

     
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    Posted: Jun. 30, 2010 - 7:33 PM ET #57

    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteMice:

    ONE CASE that the FDA was wrong. LMAO... How long did the FDA warn us that cigarette smoking "may cause" heart attacks?  And never mention lung cancer?  How many politicians were getting stroked by Phillip Morris?  Avandia?  No dissertation for me on that one??  No retort for the Metzenbaum comment???  You're so on top of nothing it's pathetic. 
    New England Journal of Medicine.  "Unsubstantiated Claims"??  How can you prove if someone drinks a twelve-pack and runs of the road that alcohol caused it?  Maybe a bee flew up his nose?  How can you prove if a guy smokes two packs a day and gets lung cancer that it's not just hereditary?  You can't.  Every thing in life is "unsubstantiated"...that's your reasoning....
    Indeed...what a tool you are...as bookieassassin and the pb crew pointed out.
    Go talk to yourself in the mirror.  Better yet, o pound a wall.  You may win a debate against a non-thinking stack of bricks.  Don't think you fared too well here...
    You're the only jackass that doesn't realize it...

     didnt fare too well

    Yeah, you won.  

    If you are dumb enough to that someone has to tell you inhaling smoke for a long period of time is bad for then you deserve to die. Sounds like the sheep you hang out with....

    You cant link everything people getting cancer. Cancer is so prevelant now because people are living much longer and there are way more people. Shit happens. How do explain the people that live to be 90 and smoke and drink every day?

    Pretty sure you cant eat or drink anything anymore that isnt linked to side effects or cancer. Its never one thing, its a combo. But, you are so intelligent that i'm sure you dont eat anything carcinogous!! Good luck with your healthy life. Sounds like you have zero chance at getting cancer since you're sooooo on top of everything!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteMice:

    ONE CASE that the FDA was wrong. LMAO... How long did the FDA warn us that cigarette smoking "may cause" heart attacks?  And never mention lung cancer?  How many politicians were getting stroked by Phillip Morris?  Avandia?  No dissertation for me on that one??  No retort for the Metzenbaum comment???  You're so on top of nothing it's pathetic. 
    New England Journal of Medicine.  "Unsubstantiated Claims"??  How can you prove if someone drinks a twelve-pack and runs of the road that alcohol caused it?  Maybe a bee flew up his nose?  How can you prove if a guy smokes two packs a day and gets lung cancer that it's not just hereditary?  You can't.  Every thing in life is "unsubstantiated"...that's your reasoning....
    Indeed...what a tool you are...as bookieassassin and the pb crew pointed out.
    Go talk to yourself in the mirror.  Better yet, o pound a wall.  You may win a debate against a non-thinking stack of bricks.  Don't think you fared too well here...
    You're the only jackass that doesn't realize it...

     didnt fare too well

    Yeah, you won.  

    If you are dumb enough to that someone has to tell you inhaling smoke for a long period of time is bad for then you deserve to die. Sounds like the sheep you hang out with....

    You cant link everything people getting cancer. Cancer is so prevelant now because people are living much longer and there are way more people. Shit happens. How do explain the people that live to be 90 and smoke and drink every day?

    Pretty sure you cant eat or drink anything anymore that isnt linked to side effects or cancer. Its never one thing, its a combo. But, you are so intelligent that i'm sure you dont eat anything carcinogous!! Good luck with your healthy life. Sounds like you have zero chance at getting cancer since you're sooooo on top of everything!!

     
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    Posted: Jun. 30, 2010 - 9:13 PM ET #58

    I try...

    GL...Tool Time
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteMice:

    I try...

    GL...Tool Time

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    I try...

    GL...Tool Time

     
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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2010 - 8:10 PM ET #60

    I think I'm gonna quit drinking beer because I have heard alcohol in large quantities is bad for you ......
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    Posted: Jul. 13, 2010 - 9:49 PM ET #61

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    Posted: Jul. 14, 2010 - 9:17 AM ET #62

    Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

    Game Over

    I'd say Game was Over 2 weeks ago when you again failed to answer anything....by the way I see YOUR "FDA" and avandia back in the news...LOL..
    It won't hurt anybody anyway.  FDA said so.

    Yeah Game Over.  From your 1st uneducated post.

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    Game Over

    I'd say Game was Over 2 weeks ago when you again failed to answer anything....by the way I see YOUR "FDA" and avandia back in the news...LOL..
    It won't hurt anybody anyway.  FDA said so.

    Yeah Game Over.  From your 1st uneducated post.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

    Game Over
    Never realized how much of a beat off you are but i see you know everything about everything.. One of those im better then everyone  types and everyone else is a douche..You remind me alot of Golfandgamble do you guys touch eachothers dongs often?
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    Game Over
    Never realized how much of a beat off you are but i see you know everything about everything.. One of those im better then everyone  types and everyone else is a douche..You remind me alot of Golfandgamble do you guys touch eachothers dongs often?
     
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    Game, set, match grow the fuck up loser!

    Congrats on the big internet fight win

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    Congrats on the big internet fight win

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteMice:

    I'd say Game was Over 2 weeks ago when you again failed to answer anything....by the way I see YOUR "FDA" and avandia back in the news...LOL..
    It won't hurt anybody anyway.  FDA said so.

    Yeah Game Over.  From your 1st uneducated post.

    I proved my point. Asparatame doesnt cause cancer. You lost dude, admit it. You said it was a BIG difference. Neither does anything. And yes, Avandia has been cleared. Conspiracy over. Game over.

    I'll polish my trophy later

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    I'd say Game was Over 2 weeks ago when you again failed to answer anything....by the way I see YOUR "FDA" and avandia back in the news...LOL..
    It won't hurt anybody anyway.  FDA said so.

    Yeah Game Over.  From your 1st uneducated post.

    I proved my point. Asparatame doesnt cause cancer. You lost dude, admit it. You said it was a BIG difference. Neither does anything. And yes, Avandia has been cleared. Conspiracy over. Game over.

    I'll polish my trophy later

     
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    Posted: Jul. 14, 2010 - 11:55 PM ET #66

    Quote Originally Posted by tagsrock:

    Never realized how much of a beat off you are but i see you know everything about everything.. One of those im better then everyone  types and everyone else is a douche..You remind me alot of Golfandgamble do you guys touch eachothers dongs often?

    Sometimes when we tag team your mom they accidentally touch while we are double stuffing her.....

    Your moms screen name is : TagsCOCK

     

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    Never realized how much of a beat off you are but i see you know everything about everything.. One of those im better then everyone  types and everyone else is a douche..You remind me alot of Golfandgamble do you guys touch eachothers dongs often?

    Sometimes when we tag team your mom they accidentally touch while we are double stuffing her.....

    Your moms screen name is : TagsCOCK

     

    Game over

     
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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2010 - 1:47 AM ET #67

    Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

    Sometimes when we tag team your mom they accidentally touch while we are double stuffing her.....

    Your moms screen name is : TagsCOCK

     

    Game over

    Your a huge fucking geek,,Mom jokes?

    Everyones a DOUCHE to train..Speaking of moms and trains

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

    Sometimes when we tag team your mom they accidentally touch while we are double stuffing her.....

    Your moms screen name is : TagsCOCK

     

    Game over

    Your a huge fucking geek,,Mom jokes?

    Everyones a DOUCHE to train..Speaking of moms and trains

     
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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2010 - 1:48 AM ET #68

    Tagscock Thats original.
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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2010 - 1:51 AM ET #69

    Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

    I proved my point. Asparatame doesnt cause cancer. You lost dude, admit it. You said it was a BIG difference. Neither does anything. And yes, Avandia has been cleared. Conspiracy over. Game over.

    I'll polish my trophy later

    You cant be serious? You lost dudelost what you fucking beat off?

     

    You lost

    Bragging on winning an internet fight

    My hero

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

    I proved my point. Asparatame doesnt cause cancer. You lost dude, admit it. You said it was a BIG difference. Neither does anything. And yes, Avandia has been cleared. Conspiracy over. Game over.

    I'll polish my trophy later

    You cant be serious? You lost dudelost what you fucking beat off?

     

    You lost

    Bragging on winning an internet fight

    My hero

     
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    Game over

     

     

     

     

     

     

    You win

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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2010 - 9:18 AM ET #71

    Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

    I proved my point. Asparatame doesnt cause cancer. You lost dude, admit it. You said it was a BIG difference. Neither does anything. And yes, Avandia has been cleared. Conspiracy over. Game over.

    I'll polish my trophy later

    1) You proved your point:  That you are a bigger asshole than I originally thought.
    2) It is a BIG difference...read the molecular compositions and oh yeah...by the way...they're BOTH generic sweeteners as you claimed
    3) Avandia has certainly been cleared.  By the same GOVERTNMENT agency that ADMITS it increases chance of heart attacks.  And still won't ban it...when they admit it  can kill people.  That's YOUR agency...they know more than Cleveland Clinic's Dr Steven Nissen who has spent years PROVING it kills!  But the FDA gets the pharmaceutical kickback huh?  Interesting how you avoided the Meztenbaum issue, the Philip Morris statement, etc, etc.

    Anyone that has taken the time to read even half this thread can see what a joke...and ever-changing set of irrelevant uneducated statements you attempt to make.  And as bookieassassin pointed out earlier...what an ass you are to even think you've proven a thing.

    Yeah.  You won the trophy:
    1) Aspartame and Sucralose are the same.  BOTH generic sweeteners.  TRAIN SAID SO
    2) Beer and Bacardi the same.  BOTH alcohol. i.e., TRAINS argumental logic
    3) Heroin and LSD the same.  BOTH hallucinogens.  i.e. TRAINS argumental logic
    4) Smoking may cause heart attacks...FDA early 60's
    5) But NOT lung cancer...FDA early studies
    6) Avandia won't hurt you...FDA said so 7 years ago
    7) Avandia increases risk of heart attacks...FDA admits yesterday
    8) We'll keep Avandia on the market $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Keep it shiny.  Send a picture of it to your FDA.  Maybe they think your have a clue what you're talking about.   Nobody else in this thread does.
    Tool.

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    I proved my point. Asparatame doesnt cause cancer. You lost dude, admit it. You said it was a BIG difference. Neither does anything. And yes, Avandia has been cleared. Conspiracy over. Game over.

    I'll polish my trophy later

    1) You proved your point:  That you are a bigger asshole than I originally thought.
    2) It is a BIG difference...read the molecular compositions and oh yeah...by the way...they're BOTH generic sweeteners as you claimed
    3) Avandia has certainly been cleared.  By the same GOVERTNMENT agency that ADMITS it increases chance of heart attacks.  And still won't ban it...when they admit it  can kill people.  That's YOUR agency...they know more than Cleveland Clinic's Dr Steven Nissen who has spent years PROVING it kills!  But the FDA gets the pharmaceutical kickback huh?  Interesting how you avoided the Meztenbaum issue, the Philip Morris statement, etc, etc.

    Anyone that has taken the time to read even half this thread can see what a joke...and ever-changing set of irrelevant uneducated statements you attempt to make.  And as bookieassassin pointed out earlier...what an ass you are to even think you've proven a thing.

    Yeah.  You won the trophy:
    1) Aspartame and Sucralose are the same.  BOTH generic sweeteners.  TRAIN SAID SO
    2) Beer and Bacardi the same.  BOTH alcohol. i.e., TRAINS argumental logic
    3) Heroin and LSD the same.  BOTH hallucinogens.  i.e. TRAINS argumental logic
    4) Smoking may cause heart attacks...FDA early 60's
    5) But NOT lung cancer...FDA early studies
    6) Avandia won't hurt you...FDA said so 7 years ago
    7) Avandia increases risk of heart attacks...FDA admits yesterday
    8) We'll keep Avandia on the market $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Keep it shiny.  Send a picture of it to your FDA.  Maybe they think your have a clue what you're talking about.   Nobody else in this thread does.
    Tool.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2010 - 9:33 AM ET #72

    "And yes, Avandia has been cleared"
    It sure has!!  By a 20-12 vote...hmmmm....why such re$ervation I wonder?? 

    DALLAS, July 14, 2010 – After two days of hearings, an advisory committee to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) recommended that the FDA allow the type 2 diabetes drug rosiglitazone (brand name, Avandia), to stay on the market, but with most committee members suggesting that the label be revised to include increased warnings. Rosiglitazone is one in a class of drugs called thiazolidinediones (TZDs), used to treat type 2 diabetes.

    The advisory committee voted 20 to 12 (with one abstention) to keep rosiglitazone on the market and recommended 20 to 10 (with two abstentions) that the TIDE trial continue. This trial, requested by the FDA, is evaluating patients with type 2 diabetes and a history of or risk for cardiovascular disease, and comparing the cardiovascular effects of long-term treatment with rosiglitazone, pioglitazone or placebo when added to standard care. The trial will also compare the effects of long-term supplementation with vitamin D on death and cancer.

    The FDA will consider these recommendations and make a final ruling. “The advisory committee’s deliberations were difficult, since the available data were limited, controversial, and subject to multiple interpretations by seasoned investigators and reviewers,” said Ralph Sacco, M.D., president of the American Heart Association. “We agree with the committee that further research is necessary to answer the remaining questions, and we encourage the FDA to continue to evaluate and assess carefully all new clinical data as they become available.”

    For patients with diabetes, the most serious consequences are heart disease and stroke, and the risk of suffering from them is significantly increased when diabetes is present.

    “It’s especially important that patients not change or stop medications without consulting their healthcare provider,” said Sacco.

    For patients with diabetes, the American Heart Association recommends the following:

    • The cornerstone of prevention and treatment should be healthy lifestyle choices, such as not smoking, following a healthy diet and remaining physically active.
    • Because of the increased risk of heart disease and stroke, it is very important to achieve optimal control of your blood sugar, blood pressure and lipids (such as cholesterol and triglycerides) with lifestyle and medications when needed. For people with diabetes who are also at increased risk for heart disease, low-dose aspirin therapy is recommended as a reasonable way to prevent a first heart attack or stroke.
    • Focus on blood sugar control, keeping your HbA1c level below 7.0, is likely to reduce the risk of the “microvascular” complications of diabetes, such as kidney failure, painful nerve problems and decreased vision or even blindness.

    For healthcare providers, the American Heart Association offers the following guidance on glucose-lowering medications: 

    •  Metformin should generally be the first choice, particularly in obese patients. If it does not produce adequate HbA1c control, other medications can be considered, recognizing that knowledge is limited about the effect of other glucose-lowering agents on cardiovascular risk.
    • If a TZD (such as pioglitazone or rosiglitazone) is considered for lowering glucose, patients should not expect it to reduce the occurrence of heart attack or stroke. The rationale for choosing a TZD should be discussed with a physician. However, patients who have successfully achieved recommended HbA1c control on a TZD may consider remaining on their medication. If the treating physician and/or the patient are uncomfortable with using a TZD, another medication could be substituted.
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    It sure has!!  By a 20-12 vote...hmmmm....why such re$ervation I wonder?? 

    DALLAS, July 14, 2010 – After two days of hearings, an advisory committee to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) recommended that the FDA allow the type 2 diabetes drug rosiglitazone (brand name, Avandia), to stay on the market, but with most committee members suggesting that the label be revised to include increased warnings. Rosiglitazone is one in a class of drugs called thiazolidinediones (TZDs), used to treat type 2 diabetes.

    The advisory committee voted 20 to 12 (with one abstention) to keep rosiglitazone on the market and recommended 20 to 10 (with two abstentions) that the TIDE trial continue. This trial, requested by the FDA, is evaluating patients with type 2 diabetes and a history of or risk for cardiovascular disease, and comparing the cardiovascular effects of long-term treatment with rosiglitazone, pioglitazone or placebo when added to standard care. The trial will also compare the effects of long-term supplementation with vitamin D on death and cancer.

    The FDA will consider these recommendations and make a final ruling. “The advisory committee’s deliberations were difficult, since the available data were limited, controversial, and subject to multiple interpretations by seasoned investigators and reviewers,” said Ralph Sacco, M.D., president of the American Heart Association. “We agree with the committee that further research is necessary to answer the remaining questions, and we encourage the FDA to continue to evaluate and assess carefully all new clinical data as they become available.”

    For patients with diabetes, the most serious consequences are heart disease and stroke, and the risk of suffering from them is significantly increased when diabetes is present.

    “It’s especially important that patients not change or stop medications without consulting their healthcare provider,” said Sacco.

    For patients with diabetes, the American Heart Association recommends the following:

    • The cornerstone of prevention and treatment should be healthy lifestyle choices, such as not smoking, following a healthy diet and remaining physically active.
    • Because of the increased risk of heart disease and stroke, it is very important to achieve optimal control of your blood sugar, blood pressure and lipids (such as cholesterol and triglycerides) with lifestyle and medications when needed. For people with diabetes who are also at increased risk for heart disease, low-dose aspirin therapy is recommended as a reasonable way to prevent a first heart attack or stroke.
    • Focus on blood sugar control, keeping your HbA1c level below 7.0, is likely to reduce the risk of the “microvascular” complications of diabetes, such as kidney failure, painful nerve problems and decreased vision or even blindness.

    For healthcare providers, the American Heart Association offers the following guidance on glucose-lowering medications: 

    •  Metformin should generally be the first choice, particularly in obese patients. If it does not produce adequate HbA1c control, other medications can be considered, recognizing that knowledge is limited about the effect of other glucose-lowering agents on cardiovascular risk.
    • If a TZD (such as pioglitazone or rosiglitazone) is considered for lowering glucose, patients should not expect it to reduce the occurrence of heart attack or stroke. The rationale for choosing a TZD should be discussed with a physician. However, patients who have successfully achieved recommended HbA1c control on a TZD may consider remaining on their medication. If the treating physician and/or the patient are uncomfortable with using a TZD, another medication could be substituted.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteMice:

    1) You proved your point:  That you are a bigger asshole than I originally thought.
    2) It is a BIG difference...read the molecular compositions and oh yeah...by the way...they're BOTH generic sweeteners as you claimed
    3) Avandia has certainly been cleared.  By the same GOVERTNMENT agency that ADMITS it increases chance of heart attacks.  And still won't ban it...when they admit it  can kill people.  That's YOUR agency...they know more than Cleveland Clinic's Dr Steven Nissen who has spent years PROVING it kills!  But the FDA gets the pharmaceutical kickback huh?  Interesting how you avoided the Meztenbaum issue, the Philip Morris statement, etc, etc.

    Anyone that has taken the time to read even half this thread can see what a joke...and ever-changing set of irrelevant uneducated statements you attempt to make.  And as bookieassassin pointed out earlier...what an ass you are to even think you've proven a thing.

    Yeah.  You won the trophy:
    1) Aspartame and Sucralose are the same.  BOTH generic sweeteners.  TRAIN SAID SO
    2) Beer and Bacardi the same.  BOTH alcohol. i.e., TRAINS argumental logic
    3) Heroin and LSD the same.  BOTH hallucinogens.  i.e. TRAINS argumental logic
    4) Smoking may cause heart attacks...FDA early 60's
    5) But NOT lung cancer...FDA early studies
    6) Avandia won't hurt you...FDA said so 7 years ago
    7) Avandia increases risk of heart attacks...FDA admits yesterday
    8) We'll keep Avandia on the market $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Keep it shiny.  Send a picture of it to your FDA.  Maybe they think your have a clue what you're talking about.   Nobody else in this thread does.
    Tool.

     

    I stopped reading at "Cleveland Clinic".....

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    1) You proved your point:  That you are a bigger asshole than I originally thought.
    2) It is a BIG difference...read the molecular compositions and oh yeah...by the way...they're BOTH generic sweeteners as you claimed
    3) Avandia has certainly been cleared.  By the same GOVERTNMENT agency that ADMITS it increases chance of heart attacks.  And still won't ban it...when they admit it  can kill people.  That's YOUR agency...they know more than Cleveland Clinic's Dr Steven Nissen who has spent years PROVING it kills!  But the FDA gets the pharmaceutical kickback huh?  Interesting how you avoided the Meztenbaum issue, the Philip Morris statement, etc, etc.

    Anyone that has taken the time to read even half this thread can see what a joke...and ever-changing set of irrelevant uneducated statements you attempt to make.  And as bookieassassin pointed out earlier...what an ass you are to even think you've proven a thing.

    Yeah.  You won the trophy:
    1) Aspartame and Sucralose are the same.  BOTH generic sweeteners.  TRAIN SAID SO
    2) Beer and Bacardi the same.  BOTH alcohol. i.e., TRAINS argumental logic
    3) Heroin and LSD the same.  BOTH hallucinogens.  i.e. TRAINS argumental logic
    4) Smoking may cause heart attacks...FDA early 60's
    5) But NOT lung cancer...FDA early studies
    6) Avandia won't hurt you...FDA said so 7 years ago
    7) Avandia increases risk of heart attacks...FDA admits yesterday
    8) We'll keep Avandia on the market $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Keep it shiny.  Send a picture of it to your FDA.  Maybe they think your have a clue what you're talking about.   Nobody else in this thread does.
    Tool.

     

    I stopped reading at "Cleveland Clinic".....

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by tagsrock:

    Your a huge fucking geek,,Mom jokes?

    Everyones a DOUCHE to train..Speaking of moms and trains

    everyones not a douche....mainly people like you...mom jokes never go out of style....but your gay joke? that was horrible......

    and if you've heard tagscock before I must be on to something

     

    suck it loser

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    Your a huge fucking geek,,Mom jokes?

    Everyones a DOUCHE to train..Speaking of moms and trains

    everyones not a douche....mainly people like you...mom jokes never go out of style....but your gay joke? that was horrible......

    and if you've heard tagscock before I must be on to something

     

    suck it loser

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