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    Why Georgia HAS to be in over LSU and anyone who says otherwise is an idiot...

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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2007 - 3:06 PM ET #51

    Question........
     
    So based on LSU's performance yesterday, they should jump from #7 to #2? LOL!!!!!!
     
    Ridiculous system.  Bottom line is OSU and UGA should move up and play for the NC.  If USC, Notre Dame, OK, Michigan or Ost was in UGA's position, there would be a HUGE media push to get them in the NC game.
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    Question........
     
    So based on LSU's performance yesterday, they should jump from #7 to #2? LOL!!!!!!
     
    Ridiculous system.  Bottom line is OSU and UGA should move up and play for the NC.  If USC, Notre Dame, OK, Michigan or Ost was in UGA's position, there would be a HUGE media push to get them in the NC game.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2007 - 3:08 PM ET #52

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Here is another attempt to add rationality to an irrational structure.

    LSU will pass Georgia.  It has nothing to do with debates about results.
     
    It has to do with the voters who dont even watch the games, who dont understand football, and just follow the media.  When sportscenter says LSU is in the game, which they already did, they are in the game.
     
    Its a self fulfilling prophecy based on a tremendously misguided system.

    I thought it was based on the computers idea.  I know voters half one half, but that bigger half goes to an f'n Hewlett Packard somewhere making picks based on schedules and when you lost last.

    Aye the BCS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Here is another attempt to add rationality to an irrational structure.

    LSU will pass Georgia.  It has nothing to do with debates about results.
     
    It has to do with the voters who dont even watch the games, who dont understand football, and just follow the media.  When sportscenter says LSU is in the game, which they already did, they are in the game.
     
    Its a self fulfilling prophecy based on a tremendously misguided system.

    I thought it was based on the computers idea.  I know voters half one half, but that bigger half goes to an f'n Hewlett Packard somewhere making picks based on schedules and when you lost last.

    Aye the BCS.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2007 - 3:12 PM ET #53

    AP and Coaches polls both have OSU 1  LSU 2.
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2007 - 3:12 PM ET #54

    Quote Originally Posted by nyduccie:

    Dude, every thing you say just reeks of LSU fan.. either that or your just an idiot.. and prob didnt read the post at all...

    First of all this is NOTHING like last year.. Michigan got jumped because they lost the last game of their season and florida went on to win the SEC... Geo won the last 7 games of their season and LSU lost a week ago to a .500 team in conference..

    You call SC a fraud but say nothing about Kentucky going below .500 in conference.. and Ark having one good player on the whole team.. ok maybe two.. but no defense at all!!..

    Like I said.. LSU winning the conf. is a formality.. They lost to shittier teams and got rewarded for that.. If they lost to a good team like Tenn of Georgia they wouldnt have been in the conf. champ game.. If you add up the power rankings of Tennesee and SC against Kentucky and Arkansas.. Tennesee and SC dominates.. not to mention the fact that Geo hasnt lost in 2 months and are playing better than ever.. While LSU Lost a week ago.. squeeked by this week on a late Interception for a TD... and had more lucky wins than anyone in the nation.. Florida,Auburn and even Alabama..

    The fact that you look at one game against Tenn 2 months ago and and say that is why they cant be in is a "complete and utter joke".. To me losing to a good team 2 months ago is worse than a crappy team last week..

    First of all, I am anything but an LSU fan. Check out collegefootballmadcapper.blogspot.com, which I write for a bunch of my buddies, and you'll be able to see that. Les Miles is borderline retarded, they've been overrated all year, and I'm absolutely sic of ESPN wishcasting them to the #1 spot all year. They are probably my least favorite team in the country. If Georgia does go ahead of them, I'll take a measure of pleasure from it knowing that they got shut out, but I'll still disagree with it.

    Second, I can't remember the last time I've been called an idiot, but you've managed to pull the trick twice within the same thread. By the way, even though you disagree with me, I'm not about to call you an idiot. The fundamental difference between the opinions is that you think winning the conference is meaningless, and I think it means quite a lot. How can LSU be the champion of the SEC while Georgia, who did not even win the SEC East because of their play, has the chance to win the National Title? It doesn't make logical sense. Just like Kansas shouldn't be in the MNC game. That's the root of my contention, as well as the fact that Georgia was soundly thrashed in one of their losses while LSU lost their games in triple overtime. In my opinion, you have two teams with similar resumes, but one's the champ of the conference and one isn't. If you think it means something you're on LSU's side, if you think it means nothing, you're on Georgia's side. That's the difference. You, as well as ACC have a different view, and there's nothing idiotic about your view. I think you should see it my way, but hey, that's your opinion.

    Last thing: Here's an example of what I wrote previously on LSU, before this week's games:

    2. Tennessee +7 1/2 v LSU: Ok, can someone please explain to me why I keep hearing people on the radio say variations of the following: "I realize that LSU has lost two games, but in my opinion, if they had a playoff, they would walk right through it." Must we continue to listen to people continue to say that LSU is he best team in the country? Based on what? The Virginia Tech game? After that game, we assumed that this was what we could expect from LSU. Then the Tulane game happened, where they trailed at halftime. We all figured that was an anomaly. Then the should have lost to Florida. Then they definitely should have lost at home to a decent Auburn team. Then they should really definitely have lost to a .500 Alabama squad. Another anomaly. Then they gav up 465 yards and got outgained by 100 against Ole Miss with their backup QB in there. Fluke. Then they lost at home to a ho hum Arkansas team(lost to Kentucky at home, hammered by Tennessee, etc) when they were playing for the right to go to the National Championship as a 2 TD favorite. So what game was the anomaly? Yeah, the Va Tech game. Conclusion: As much as we all want LSU to be the best team in the country, they just aren't, ok? They're coached by a moron, and they just arent the best team in the country. Deal with it America, and move on. ok.....so now they get Tennessee. They've been carved up by just about everyone in their last 8 games, and you can make a case that this is the best offense they have faced since Florida. Very balanced. LSU does do a couple things well: put pressure on the QB, and get turnovers. However, Erik Ainge does a great job of holding on to the ball, and he's only been sacked 4 times ALL SEASON. LSU is bummed out because their chances to play for the MNC are gone. I think it shapes up for a good opportunity for UT. Their defense is not good, but LSU has not exactly lit it up on offense lately either

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyduccie:

    Dude, every thing you say just reeks of LSU fan.. either that or your just an idiot.. and prob didnt read the post at all...

    First of all this is NOTHING like last year.. Michigan got jumped because they lost the last game of their season and florida went on to win the SEC... Geo won the last 7 games of their season and LSU lost a week ago to a .500 team in conference..

    You call SC a fraud but say nothing about Kentucky going below .500 in conference.. and Ark having one good player on the whole team.. ok maybe two.. but no defense at all!!..

    Like I said.. LSU winning the conf. is a formality.. They lost to shittier teams and got rewarded for that.. If they lost to a good team like Tenn of Georgia they wouldnt have been in the conf. champ game.. If you add up the power rankings of Tennesee and SC against Kentucky and Arkansas.. Tennesee and SC dominates.. not to mention the fact that Geo hasnt lost in 2 months and are playing better than ever.. While LSU Lost a week ago.. squeeked by this week on a late Interception for a TD... and had more lucky wins than anyone in the nation.. Florida,Auburn and even Alabama..

    The fact that you look at one game against Tenn 2 months ago and and say that is why they cant be in is a "complete and utter joke".. To me losing to a good team 2 months ago is worse than a crappy team last week..

    First of all, I am anything but an LSU fan. Check out collegefootballmadcapper.blogspot.com, which I write for a bunch of my buddies, and you'll be able to see that. Les Miles is borderline retarded, they've been overrated all year, and I'm absolutely sic of ESPN wishcasting them to the #1 spot all year. They are probably my least favorite team in the country. If Georgia does go ahead of them, I'll take a measure of pleasure from it knowing that they got shut out, but I'll still disagree with it.

    Second, I can't remember the last time I've been called an idiot, but you've managed to pull the trick twice within the same thread. By the way, even though you disagree with me, I'm not about to call you an idiot. The fundamental difference between the opinions is that you think winning the conference is meaningless, and I think it means quite a lot. How can LSU be the champion of the SEC while Georgia, who did not even win the SEC East because of their play, has the chance to win the National Title? It doesn't make logical sense. Just like Kansas shouldn't be in the MNC game. That's the root of my contention, as well as the fact that Georgia was soundly thrashed in one of their losses while LSU lost their games in triple overtime. In my opinion, you have two teams with similar resumes, but one's the champ of the conference and one isn't. If you think it means something you're on LSU's side, if you think it means nothing, you're on Georgia's side. That's the difference. You, as well as ACC have a different view, and there's nothing idiotic about your view. I think you should see it my way, but hey, that's your opinion.

    Last thing: Here's an example of what I wrote previously on LSU, before this week's games:

    2. Tennessee +7 1/2 v LSU: Ok, can someone please explain to me why I keep hearing people on the radio say variations of the following: "I realize that LSU has lost two games, but in my opinion, if they had a playoff, they would walk right through it." Must we continue to listen to people continue to say that LSU is he best team in the country? Based on what? The Virginia Tech game? After that game, we assumed that this was what we could expect from LSU. Then the Tulane game happened, where they trailed at halftime. We all figured that was an anomaly. Then the should have lost to Florida. Then they definitely should have lost at home to a decent Auburn team. Then they should really definitely have lost to a .500 Alabama squad. Another anomaly. Then they gav up 465 yards and got outgained by 100 against Ole Miss with their backup QB in there. Fluke. Then they lost at home to a ho hum Arkansas team(lost to Kentucky at home, hammered by Tennessee, etc) when they were playing for the right to go to the National Championship as a 2 TD favorite. So what game was the anomaly? Yeah, the Va Tech game. Conclusion: As much as we all want LSU to be the best team in the country, they just aren't, ok? They're coached by a moron, and they just arent the best team in the country. Deal with it America, and move on. ok.....so now they get Tennessee. They've been carved up by just about everyone in their last 8 games, and you can make a case that this is the best offense they have faced since Florida. Very balanced. LSU does do a couple things well: put pressure on the QB, and get turnovers. However, Erik Ainge does a great job of holding on to the ball, and he's only been sacked 4 times ALL SEASON. LSU is bummed out because their chances to play for the MNC are gone. I think it shapes up for a good opportunity for UT. Their defense is not good, but LSU has not exactly lit it up on offense lately either

     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2007 - 3:23 PM ET #55

    Quote Originally Posted by ugadog99:

    Question........
     
    So based on LSU's performance yesterday, they should jump from #7 to #2? LOL!!!!!!
     
    Ridiculous system.  Bottom line is OSU and UGA should move up and play for the NC.  If USC, Notre Dame, OK, Michigan or Ost was in UGA's position, there would be a HUGE media push to get them in the NC game.

    If LSU jumps everyone, it's a function of voters looking at the situation, deciphering who they think has the best argument for playing in the MNC game, and then voting as such. It doesn't have anything to do with how impressive they think LSU was yesterday.

    I'd disagree that there's some sort of media bias against UGA...do you really believe that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ugadog99:

    Question........
     
    So based on LSU's performance yesterday, they should jump from #7 to #2? LOL!!!!!!
     
    Ridiculous system.  Bottom line is OSU and UGA should move up and play for the NC.  If USC, Notre Dame, OK, Michigan or Ost was in UGA's position, there would be a HUGE media push to get them in the NC game.

    If LSU jumps everyone, it's a function of voters looking at the situation, deciphering who they think has the best argument for playing in the MNC game, and then voting as such. It doesn't have anything to do with how impressive they think LSU was yesterday.

    I'd disagree that there's some sort of media bias against UGA...do you really believe that?

     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2007 - 3:40 PM ET #56

    I guess you can count all the NCAA coaches idiots too, since they just voted LSU #2.
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2007 - 3:54 PM ET #57

    Ohio St. would beat UGA by 40. If you're an UGA fan, be glad they're not going. At least UH is a team they could beat......


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    Quote Originally Posted by Matador:

    Ohio St. would beat UGA by 40. If you're an UGA fan, be glad they're not going. At least UH is a team they could beat......


     

    Lol!!!!  That is ridiculous.  You of all the posters on this board should know that statement is ludicrous.  I'm certain you've watched college football this year.  Guess like WV should've beaten Pitt by 30 huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matador:

    Ohio St. would beat UGA by 40. If you're an UGA fan, be glad they're not going. At least UH is a team they could beat......


     

    Lol!!!!  That is ridiculous.  You of all the posters on this board should know that statement is ludicrous.  I'm certain you've watched college football this year.  Guess like WV should've beaten Pitt by 30 huh?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brassknux:

    If LSU jumps everyone, it's a function of voters looking at the situation, deciphering who they think has the best argument for playing in the MNC game, and then voting as such. It doesn't have anything to do with how impressive they think LSU was yesterday.

    I'd disagree that there's some sort of media bias against UGA...do you really believe that?

    Didn't mean to infer there was a media bias against UGA.  Just saying that those teams mentioned above would get the benefit of the doubt as they are prone to be the media "darlings".  Didn't we just have this debate about Michigan last year and pretty much all of the media was hyping the Wolverines to get a re-match vs. OSU.    I just think if you go by the system and where OSU and UGA were ranked before this week......those teams should move up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brassknux:

    If LSU jumps everyone, it's a function of voters looking at the situation, deciphering who they think has the best argument for playing in the MNC game, and then voting as such. It doesn't have anything to do with how impressive they think LSU was yesterday.

    I'd disagree that there's some sort of media bias against UGA...do you really believe that?

    Didn't mean to infer there was a media bias against UGA.  Just saying that those teams mentioned above would get the benefit of the doubt as they are prone to be the media "darlings".  Didn't we just have this debate about Michigan last year and pretty much all of the media was hyping the Wolverines to get a re-match vs. OSU.    I just think if you go by the system and where OSU and UGA were ranked before this week......those teams should move up.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2007 - 4:22 PM ET #60

    Quote Originally Posted by ugadog99:

     

    Lol!!!!  That is ridiculous.  You of all the posters on this board should know that statement is ludicrous.  I'm certain you've watched college football this year.  Guess like WV should've beaten Pitt by 30 huh?



    You want Todd Boeckman? You want Todd Boeckman? You can't handle Todd Boeckman!

    Ridiculous? You mean, like a thread title that says anyone that disagrees with me is an idiot?

    If you want serious, then UGA simply doesn't deserve to go ahead of the champions in their own conference. Pretty simple. Kansas actually has a better case, because they have one loss fewer that the champion in their conference, a claim UGA can't make.

    Finally, to justify your argument that a poll is invalid by referencing the previous week's edition of the same poll isn't very convincing. Who's to say last weeks poll wasn't wrong if this week's is so messed up? Well, me. Last week's poll was the joke. No way UGA should have been ahead of LSU in the first place. Makes about as much sense as putting VaTech ahead of LSU.
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    Lol!!!!  That is ridiculous.  You of all the posters on this board should know that statement is ludicrous.  I'm certain you've watched college football this year.  Guess like WV should've beaten Pitt by 30 huh?



    You want Todd Boeckman? You want Todd Boeckman? You can't handle Todd Boeckman!

    Ridiculous? You mean, like a thread title that says anyone that disagrees with me is an idiot?

    If you want serious, then UGA simply doesn't deserve to go ahead of the champions in their own conference. Pretty simple. Kansas actually has a better case, because they have one loss fewer that the champion in their conference, a claim UGA can't make.

    Finally, to justify your argument that a poll is invalid by referencing the previous week's edition of the same poll isn't very convincing. Who's to say last weeks poll wasn't wrong if this week's is so messed up? Well, me. Last week's poll was the joke. No way UGA should have been ahead of LSU in the first place. Makes about as much sense as putting VaTech ahead of LSU.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2007 - 4:25 PM ET #61

    How about why neither of them should be in the game.  Let Hawaii beat OSU.
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    How about why neither of them should be in the game.  Let Hawaii beat OSU.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2007 - 4:27 PM ET #62

    Quote Originally Posted by Godfather16:

    screw both of these teams, give Oklahoma a shot, move them up from #9 to 2, I feel they are the best all around team of the 2 loss teams.

    I agree OU is better than both.  But no 2 loss team should play for the title.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfather16:

    screw both of these teams, give Oklahoma a shot, move them up from #9 to 2, I feel they are the best all around team of the 2 loss teams.

    I agree OU is better than both.  But no 2 loss team should play for the title.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2007 - 4:31 PM ET #63

    Quote Originally Posted by Brent Musburger:

    Shouldn't the only undefeated team in the country be in the BCS title game?

    Without question. UH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brent Musburger:

    Shouldn't the only undefeated team in the country be in the BCS title game?

    Without question. UH.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2007 - 3:21 PM ET #64

    It doesn't even bother me that UGA didn't win their division and the conference. I just think when you compare two teams that are 10-2 in LSU and UGA...there is no comparison. Comparing their losses...

    -Georgia lost by 4 at home to a 6-6 South Carolina team and was blown-out at Tennessee by 21.
    -LSU lost @Kentucky by 6 in 3OT, and v. Arkansas by 2 in 3OT.

    Comparing their wins...

    -LSU has 6 wins over top-20 teams, compared to 4 by UGA. LSU defeated 4 teams with at least 8 wins, compared to just 2 by UGA

    LSU has better wins and better losses and is the more deserving team.
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    It doesn't even bother me that UGA didn't win their division and the conference. I just think when you compare two teams that are 10-2 in LSU and UGA...there is no comparison. Comparing their losses...

    -Georgia lost by 4 at home to a 6-6 South Carolina team and was blown-out at Tennessee by 21.
    -LSU lost @Kentucky by 6 in 3OT, and v. Arkansas by 2 in 3OT.

    Comparing their wins...

    -LSU has 6 wins over top-20 teams, compared to 4 by UGA. LSU defeated 4 teams with at least 8 wins, compared to just 2 by UGA

    LSU has better wins and better losses and is the more deserving team.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2007 - 4:47 PM ET #65

    On the possibility that this starts another controversy (and does not matter in the long run) my thought is that LSU should have never dropped to #7 and I thought so at the time.  Oh, well, it does not matter now.  Here's to a good game and a big LSU win.
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    On the possibility that this starts another controversy (and does not matter in the long run) my thought is that LSU should have never dropped to #7 and I thought so at the time.  Oh, well, it does not matter now.  Here's to a good game and a big LSU win.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2007 - 5:30 PM ET #66

    I hope and pray UH can somehow beat UGA so the only undefeated team in the nation is NOT the national champ.  That would be fantastic. 
     
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    I hope and pray UH can somehow beat UGA so the only undefeated team in the nation is NOT the national champ.  That would be fantastic. 
     
    Blow this whole thing up.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2007 - 6:07 PM ET #67

    Why Georgia HAS to be in over LSU and anyone who says otherwise is an idiot...


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    Why Georgia HAS to be in over LSU and anyone who says otherwise is an idiot...


     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2007 - 6:33 PM ET #68

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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2007 - 7:05 PM ET #69

    Lets make this simple here.
     
    You first need to win your DIVISION to play in your CONFERENCE Title game. 
     
    If you win your conference title, then you have a legitimate right to play in the NATIONAL Championship game.
     
    With a playoff, only conference champions should be allowed to compete for the right to play for the national title because they proved their worth on the FIELD.  These stupid polls are nothing more than opinions and wishes.
     
    So Georgia, you may be playing great ball now, but it is too little too late. 
     
    Kansas, you lost deal with it.
     
    Any Questions????
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    Lets make this simple here.
     
    You first need to win your DIVISION to play in your CONFERENCE Title game. 
     
    If you win your conference title, then you have a legitimate right to play in the NATIONAL Championship game.
     
    With a playoff, only conference champions should be allowed to compete for the right to play for the national title because they proved their worth on the FIELD.  These stupid polls are nothing more than opinions and wishes.
     
    So Georgia, you may be playing great ball now, but it is too little too late. 
     
    Kansas, you lost deal with it.
     
    Any Questions????
     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2007 - 12:39 AM ET #70

    BCS it's all about the money
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2007 - 2:20 AM ET #71

    It's all politics.  The BCS would've looked like dumbasses had UGA got the invite to the Championship Game.
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    It's all politics.  The BCS would've looked like dumbasses had UGA got the invite to the Championship Game.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2007 - 8:53 PM ET #72

    For all the jack asses that think VT should be in need to just sit back and refer to this...
     
    LSU 48
    VT 7
     
     
    For the Georgia supporters...your team gets screwed by not winning the SEC championship...or heck...even it's own division.  You might not like it, but that's just how it is.  If WVU or Mizzou would have won, then there wouldn't even be this useless post.
     
    Not other argument is needed. 
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    For all the jack asses that think VT should be in need to just sit back and refer to this...
     
    LSU 48
    VT 7
     
     
    For the Georgia supporters...your team gets screwed by not winning the SEC championship...or heck...even it's own division.  You might not like it, but that's just how it is.  If WVU or Mizzou would have won, then there wouldn't even be this useless post.
     
    Not other argument is needed. 
     
     
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