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    Why Georgia HAS to be in over LSU and anyone who says otherwise is an idiot...

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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2007 - 9:10 AM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by BookieBandit:

    isnt winning your conference important? if you cant even win your own conference then how can you.....
     
     

     

    no in this case, it's not important at all.  The important thing is getting the next best team with Ohio State into the NC game....that's Georgia.  hands down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BookieBandit:

    isnt winning your conference important? if you cant even win your own conference then how can you.....
     
     

     

    no in this case, it's not important at all.  The important thing is getting the next best team with Ohio State into the NC game....that's Georgia.  hands down.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2007 - 9:20 AM ET #27

    Conference Championship losses don't hurt you as bad in the polls as do regular season losses.  Sucks being Kansas.  At the same time, a Conference Championship win will not help you jump from 7 (LSU) to 2.  It's when you lose that hurts, and Georgia hasn't lost in awhile in comparison to other Top 10 teams.  I look forward to OSU and GA in BCS title game.  I think OSU wins by 10.
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    Conference Championship losses don't hurt you as bad in the polls as do regular season losses.  Sucks being Kansas.  At the same time, a Conference Championship win will not help you jump from 7 (LSU) to 2.  It's when you lose that hurts, and Georgia hasn't lost in awhile in comparison to other Top 10 teams.  I look forward to OSU and GA in BCS title game.  I think OSU wins by 10.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2007 - 9:25 AM ET #28

    LSU will go to the BCS title game, enough said!
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    LSU will go to the BCS title game, enough said!
     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2007 - 9:29 AM ET #29

    Let me throw another angle out there.  Virginia Tech is one spot ahead of LSU in the BCS.  Their win against B.C. was more impressive than LSU winning against Tenn.  I don't care about LSU blowing out VT earlier in the season.  B.C. is 14th in the BCS.  Tenn is lower.  V.T. had the better win, and if LSU would jump them, it would be unjustified.  If voters are just going to put #2 whoever they think should be in the National Championship game, then why even have polls. 
     
    The problem here is if the season was still going on, OSU would be no. 1 Georgia no.2, VT no.3, and LSU 4th.  Since there are no more games, it becomes a pissing match on who has the better resume, in which you know how many biased coaches and writers there are going to be.  In the end, whoever gets left out, will be moaning and will just make a better case for a playoff format. 
       
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    Let me throw another angle out there.  Virginia Tech is one spot ahead of LSU in the BCS.  Their win against B.C. was more impressive than LSU winning against Tenn.  I don't care about LSU blowing out VT earlier in the season.  B.C. is 14th in the BCS.  Tenn is lower.  V.T. had the better win, and if LSU would jump them, it would be unjustified.  If voters are just going to put #2 whoever they think should be in the National Championship game, then why even have polls. 
     
    The problem here is if the season was still going on, OSU would be no. 1 Georgia no.2, VT no.3, and LSU 4th.  Since there are no more games, it becomes a pissing match on who has the better resume, in which you know how many biased coaches and writers there are going to be.  In the end, whoever gets left out, will be moaning and will just make a better case for a playoff format. 
       
     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2007 - 9:40 AM ET #30

    Shouldn't the only undefeated team in the country be in the BCS title game?
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    Shouldn't the only undefeated team in the country be in the BCS title game?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2007 - 9:42 AM ET #31

    And the same thing happened last year - Florida had an unimpressive victory over Arkansas, but still jumped Michigan.

    It'll probably be the same thing with Georgia and LSU.

    I'm sure FOX and ESPN will eat up the "Look, Miles just beat up on OSU, is this going to continue if he goes to Michigan?"
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    And the same thing happened last year - Florida had an unimpressive victory over Arkansas, but still jumped Michigan.

    It'll probably be the same thing with Georgia and LSU.

    I'm sure FOX and ESPN will eat up the "Look, Miles just beat up on OSU, is this going to continue if he goes to Michigan?"
     
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    If you are comparing the loses then why are you not bringing up the margin of victory of those losses? C'mon at least try to be impartial.
     
    LSU - 11 wins
    Georgia - 10 wins
     
    LSU has a better winning pct. over a harder schedule. Next.

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    If you are comparing the loses then why are you not bringing up the margin of victory of those losses? C'mon at least try to be impartial.
     
    LSU - 11 wins
    Georgia - 10 wins
     
    LSU has a better winning pct. over a harder schedule. Next.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2007 - 9:52 AM ET #33

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Here is another attempt to add rationality to an irrational structure.

    LSU will pass Georgia.  It has nothing to do with debates about results.
     
    It has to do with the voters who dont even watch the games, who dont understand football, and just follow the media.  When sportscenter says LSU is in the game, which they already did, they are in the game.

    Wow must be nice to have such influence over who goes to national championship game. No debate necessary in my book. Who lost last is that not the basis that the polls are used for, LSU has lost twice since UGA lost their last game, how does this say they are better,

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Here is another attempt to add rationality to an irrational structure.

    LSU will pass Georgia.  It has nothing to do with debates about results.
     
    It has to do with the voters who dont even watch the games, who dont understand football, and just follow the media.  When sportscenter says LSU is in the game, which they already did, they are in the game.

    Wow must be nice to have such influence over who goes to national championship game. No debate necessary in my book. Who lost last is that not the basis that the polls are used for, LSU has lost twice since UGA lost their last game, how does this say they are better,

     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2007 - 9:57 AM ET #34

    The same problem I had with Michigan/Florida and now I have with UGA/LSU.

    If LSU is the better team, why aren't they ranked ahead of UGA in the first place?

    Did beating UT unconvincingly all of a sudden make them the better team?

    LSU is only going to be punished for a week for losing to Arkansas?

    Why not Kansas? Or Oklahoma?

    LSU lost when they had to win.  They shouldn't be rewarded with a BCS championship bid.  Games later in the season ARE more important than those early on.
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    The same problem I had with Michigan/Florida and now I have with UGA/LSU.

    If LSU is the better team, why aren't they ranked ahead of UGA in the first place?

    Did beating UT unconvincingly all of a sudden make them the better team?

    LSU is only going to be punished for a week for losing to Arkansas?

    Why not Kansas? Or Oklahoma?

    LSU lost when they had to win.  They shouldn't be rewarded with a BCS championship bid.  Games later in the season ARE more important than those early on.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2007 - 9:59 AM ET #35

    Quote Originally Posted by accventures:

     

    no in this case, it's not important at all.  The important thing is getting the next best team with Ohio State into the NC game....that's Georgia.  hands down.

    ok this is getting ridiculous. The ranking prior to this week are useless, just like they were last year when Michigan was #2 then got jumped. The only reason Georgia was ranked higher in that poll was because it has been the longest time since they lost. I hate LSU with a bloddy passion, but what in the hell is the point of having a confereence if the team that can't even win their own division gets to play for the National Championship? What sense does that make? Tennessee was in the SEC title gme because they absolutely destroyed Georgia. Had UT not called off the dogs that would have been a 50-7 game. Georgia didn't show up. They lost at home to a SC team that was exposed as a fraud.

    You say that Georgia is "hands down" the second best team in the country? How in the hell do you know that? Are you Nostradamus? How do you know USC wouldn't beat the crap out of them? The fact is that LSU won the conference by beating the team that Georgia was embarrassed by. They have the same record. One is the champ, one is the chump(to put it bluntly..I don't think Georgia are a bunch of chumps). You've got fact on one side, wishcasting and creative opinion on the other. You can't pretend their shit performances didn't happen, they did, and having a team possibly win a national championship that couldn't even compete with Tennessee would be an utter joke.

      

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    no in this case, it's not important at all.  The important thing is getting the next best team with Ohio State into the NC game....that's Georgia.  hands down.

    ok this is getting ridiculous. The ranking prior to this week are useless, just like they were last year when Michigan was #2 then got jumped. The only reason Georgia was ranked higher in that poll was because it has been the longest time since they lost. I hate LSU with a bloddy passion, but what in the hell is the point of having a confereence if the team that can't even win their own division gets to play for the National Championship? What sense does that make? Tennessee was in the SEC title gme because they absolutely destroyed Georgia. Had UT not called off the dogs that would have been a 50-7 game. Georgia didn't show up. They lost at home to a SC team that was exposed as a fraud.

    You say that Georgia is "hands down" the second best team in the country? How in the hell do you know that? Are you Nostradamus? How do you know USC wouldn't beat the crap out of them? The fact is that LSU won the conference by beating the team that Georgia was embarrassed by. They have the same record. One is the champ, one is the chump(to put it bluntly..I don't think Georgia are a bunch of chumps). You've got fact on one side, wishcasting and creative opinion on the other. You can't pretend their shit performances didn't happen, they did, and having a team possibly win a national championship that couldn't even compete with Tennessee would be an utter joke.

      

     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2007 - 10:00 AM ET #36

    Quote Originally Posted by Yams:

    If you are comparing the loses then why are you not bringing up the margin of victory of those losses? C'mon at least try to be impartial.
     
    LSU - 11 wins
    Georgia - 10 wins
     
    LSU has a better winning pct. over a harder schedule. Next.

    Where do you get a tougher schedule? That game vs Tulane?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yams:

    If you are comparing the loses then why are you not bringing up the margin of victory of those losses? C'mon at least try to be impartial.
     
    LSU - 11 wins
    Georgia - 10 wins
     
    LSU has a better winning pct. over a harder schedule. Next.

    Where do you get a tougher schedule? That game vs Tulane?
     
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      v tech has to go before lsu . ranked higher in bcs plus won yesterday.
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      v tech has to go before lsu . ranked higher in bcs plus won yesterday.
     
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    First of all, if the regular season means anything at all, they you must win your conference in order to play for the title.  WVU is out after yesterday.  VT is out because LSU killed them.  Therefore, if OSU is a foregone conclusion, it comes down to LSU, OU, or USC.  To me, USC is the best team, but you could make legit arguments for all 3 teams.  I would like to see USC vs OSU so I could pound USC at anything less than -7.  Good chance of a split title this year.
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    First of all, if the regular season means anything at all, they you must win your conference in order to play for the title.  WVU is out after yesterday.  VT is out because LSU killed them.  Therefore, if OSU is a foregone conclusion, it comes down to LSU, OU, or USC.  To me, USC is the best team, but you could make legit arguments for all 3 teams.  I would like to see USC vs OSU so I could pound USC at anything less than -7.  Good chance of a split title this year.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2007 - 10:12 AM ET #39

    Personally, I think Hawaii deserves a shot.  It's a screwed up system, and they are the only undefeated team.  Their schedule isn't their fault as nobody wants to play them.  Michigan State paid them $250000 to cancel their game this year.  If everybody has 2 losses, why not give them a shot.  I would love to see Ohio State try to match up with their receivers.  Imagine the ML on Hawaii in that one?
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    Personally, I think Hawaii deserves a shot.  It's a screwed up system, and they are the only undefeated team.  Their schedule isn't their fault as nobody wants to play them.  Michigan State paid them $250000 to cancel their game this year.  If everybody has 2 losses, why not give them a shot.  I would love to see Ohio State try to match up with their receivers.  Imagine the ML on Hawaii in that one?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by t403:

       
      v tech has to go before lsu . ranked higher in bcs plus won yesterday.
      couldn't agree more there 2 losses were against the #1 and #2 teams at that time, with the 1 lost up 10 pts with 6 min left against bos. coll
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      v tech has to go before lsu . ranked higher in bcs plus won yesterday.
      couldn't agree more there 2 losses were against the #1 and #2 teams at that time, with the 1 lost up 10 pts with 6 min left against bos. coll
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBaylor:

    Ruskn your logic on how the rankings should be is one endless circle.
     
    "LSU beat a Tennessee team that rocked GA"
     
    Well GA rocked 2 teams that LSU barely beat
     
    This kind of logic would have you spinning circle for a while
     
     
     

     

    You're an idiot.  Georgia didn't play Arkansas this year.

    Get your facts straight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EBaylor:

    Ruskn your logic on how the rankings should be is one endless circle.
     
    "LSU beat a Tennessee team that rocked GA"
     
    Well GA rocked 2 teams that LSU barely beat
     
    This kind of logic would have you spinning circle for a while
     
     
     

     

    You're an idiot.  Georgia didn't play Arkansas this year.

    Get your facts straight.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2007 - 10:38 AM ET #42

    [Quote: Originally Posted by daveyt25]
    Let me throw another angle out there.  Virginia Tech is one spot ahead of LSU in the BCS.  Their win against B.C. was more impressive than LSU winning against Tenn.  I don't care about LSU blowing out VT earlier in the season.  B.C. is 14th in the BCS.  Tenn is lower.  V.T. had the better win, and if LSU would jump them, it would be unjustified.  If voters are just going to put #2 whoever they think should be in the National Championship game, then why even have polls. 
     
    IF you don't care about LSU beating VTech by 41 points earlier this year, I must assume you don't care about head-to-head matchups altogether.  Hell, why do teams even play head-to-head?  Your argument is based more on hypothetical, which doesn't make any sense, especially when you can look at the past results.
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    Let me throw another angle out there.  Virginia Tech is one spot ahead of LSU in the BCS.  Their win against B.C. was more impressive than LSU winning against Tenn.  I don't care about LSU blowing out VT earlier in the season.  B.C. is 14th in the BCS.  Tenn is lower.  V.T. had the better win, and if LSU would jump them, it would be unjustified.  If voters are just going to put #2 whoever they think should be in the National Championship game, then why even have polls. 
     
    IF you don't care about LSU beating VTech by 41 points earlier this year, I must assume you don't care about head-to-head matchups altogether.  Hell, why do teams even play head-to-head?  Your argument is based more on hypothetical, which doesn't make any sense, especially when you can look at the past results.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2007 - 10:40 AM ET #43

    2 best teams it would be
     
     
    Georgia vs. USC
     
     
    'nuff said
     
     
    but the game will be
     
     
    Ohio State vs. LSU
     
     
    just have to live with the system
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    2 best teams it would be
     
     
    Georgia vs. USC
     
     
    'nuff said
     
     
    but the game will be
     
     
    Ohio State vs. LSU
     
     
    just have to live with the system
     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2007 - 10:49 AM ET #44

    The Rose Bowl can step out of conference to grab Georgia, but the Sugar Bowl will probably block that move.
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    The Rose Bowl can step out of conference to grab Georgia, but the Sugar Bowl will probably block that move.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by RUSknFan:

    ny I'm sorry but your logic doesn't add up. Fact is, Georgia got rocked by a Tennessee team that LSU beat, and got totally outplayed on their home field by a mediocre, at best, South Carolina team. There is no way they can go in against a team that lost in a combined 6 OT's and won the SEC. You can try to make it make sense all you want, but it's ridiculous.
     
    LSU lost to two teams with legitimate Heisman candidates elevating their play tremendously in triple overtime games. Georgia got totally outplayed TWICE and couldn't even bother to give Tennessee a game. They had their shot, and they're not worthy. Sorry.

    No.. your logic doent add up.. yea.. LSU beat a team that Geo lost to.. but Geo beat a team LSU lost to.. Kentucky.. the only difference is Tennesee is a good team that made it to the Conf champ game and LSU squeeked by luckily.. AGAIN.. and Geo dominated Kentucky

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    ny I'm sorry but your logic doesn't add up. Fact is, Georgia got rocked by a Tennessee team that LSU beat, and got totally outplayed on their home field by a mediocre, at best, South Carolina team. There is no way they can go in against a team that lost in a combined 6 OT's and won the SEC. You can try to make it make sense all you want, but it's ridiculous.
     
    LSU lost to two teams with legitimate Heisman candidates elevating their play tremendously in triple overtime games. Georgia got totally outplayed TWICE and couldn't even bother to give Tennessee a game. They had their shot, and they're not worthy. Sorry.

    No.. your logic doent add up.. yea.. LSU beat a team that Geo lost to.. but Geo beat a team LSU lost to.. Kentucky.. the only difference is Tennesee is a good team that made it to the Conf champ game and LSU squeeked by luckily.. AGAIN.. and Geo dominated Kentucky

     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2007 - 1:19 PM ET #46

    Quote Originally Posted by Brassknux:

    ok this is getting ridiculous. The ranking prior to this week are useless, just like they were last year when Michigan was #2 then got jumped. The only reason Georgia was ranked higher in that poll was because it has been the longest time since they lost. I hate LSU with a bloddy passion, but what in the hell is the point of having a confereence if the team that can't even win their own division gets to play for the National Championship? What sense does that make? Tennessee was in the SEC title gme because they absolutely destroyed Georgia. Had UT not called off the dogs that would have been a 50-7 game. Georgia didn't show up. They lost at home to a SC team that was exposed as a fraud.

    You say that Georgia is "hands down" the second best team in the country? How in the hell do you know that? Are you Nostradamus? How do you know USC wouldn't beat the crap out of them? The fact is that LSU won the conference by beating the team that Georgia was embarrassed by. They have the same record. One is the champ, one is the chump(to put it bluntly..I don't think Georgia are a bunch of chumps). You've got fact on one side, wishcasting and creative opinion on the other. You can't pretend their shit performances didn't happen, they did, and having a team possibly win a national championship that couldn't even compete with Tennessee would be an utter joke.

      

    Dude, every thing you say just reeks of LSU fan.. either that or your just an idiot.. and prob didnt read the post at all...

    First of all this is NOTHING like last year.. Michigan got jumped because they lost the last game of their season and florida went on to win the SEC... Geo won the last 7 games of their season and LSU lost a week ago to a .500 team in conference..

    You call SC a fraud but say nothing about Kentucky going below .500 in conference.. and Ark having one good player on the whole team.. ok maybe two.. but no defense at all!!..

    Like I said.. LSU winning the conf. is a formality.. They lost to shittier teams and got rewarded for that.. If they lost to a good team like Tenn of Georgia they wouldnt have been in the conf. champ game.. If you add up the power rankings of Tennesee and SC against Kentucky and Arkansas.. Tennesee and SC dominates.. not to mention the fact that Geo hasnt lost in 2 months and are playing better than ever.. While LSU Lost a week ago.. squeeked by this week on a late Interception for a TD... and had more lucky wins than anyone in the nation.. Florida,Auburn and even Alabama..

    The fact that you look at one game against Tenn 2 months ago and and say that is why they cant be in is a "complete and utter joke".. To me losing to a good team 2 months ago is worse than a crappy team last week..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brassknux:

    ok this is getting ridiculous. The ranking prior to this week are useless, just like they were last year when Michigan was #2 then got jumped. The only reason Georgia was ranked higher in that poll was because it has been the longest time since they lost. I hate LSU with a bloddy passion, but what in the hell is the point of having a confereence if the team that can't even win their own division gets to play for the National Championship? What sense does that make? Tennessee was in the SEC title gme because they absolutely destroyed Georgia. Had UT not called off the dogs that would have been a 50-7 game. Georgia didn't show up. They lost at home to a SC team that was exposed as a fraud.

    You say that Georgia is "hands down" the second best team in the country? How in the hell do you know that? Are you Nostradamus? How do you know USC wouldn't beat the crap out of them? The fact is that LSU won the conference by beating the team that Georgia was embarrassed by. They have the same record. One is the champ, one is the chump(to put it bluntly..I don't think Georgia are a bunch of chumps). You've got fact on one side, wishcasting and creative opinion on the other. You can't pretend their shit performances didn't happen, they did, and having a team possibly win a national championship that couldn't even compete with Tennessee would be an utter joke.

      

    Dude, every thing you say just reeks of LSU fan.. either that or your just an idiot.. and prob didnt read the post at all...

    First of all this is NOTHING like last year.. Michigan got jumped because they lost the last game of their season and florida went on to win the SEC... Geo won the last 7 games of their season and LSU lost a week ago to a .500 team in conference..

    You call SC a fraud but say nothing about Kentucky going below .500 in conference.. and Ark having one good player on the whole team.. ok maybe two.. but no defense at all!!..

    Like I said.. LSU winning the conf. is a formality.. They lost to shittier teams and got rewarded for that.. If they lost to a good team like Tenn of Georgia they wouldnt have been in the conf. champ game.. If you add up the power rankings of Tennesee and SC against Kentucky and Arkansas.. Tennesee and SC dominates.. not to mention the fact that Geo hasnt lost in 2 months and are playing better than ever.. While LSU Lost a week ago.. squeeked by this week on a late Interception for a TD... and had more lucky wins than anyone in the nation.. Florida,Auburn and even Alabama..

    The fact that you look at one game against Tenn 2 months ago and and say that is why they cant be in is a "complete and utter joke".. To me losing to a good team 2 months ago is worse than a crappy team last week..

     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2007 - 2:14 PM ET #47

    Just call me "idiot".
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2007 - 2:45 PM ET #48

    Another idiot here. LSU vs OSU National Championship.
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    if your argument is that who has played a better second half of the season, you are probably right that Georgia deserves it over LSU.  However, this is selection is based upon the entire season.
     
    Because it is based upon the entire season, you have to take into account the way Georgia lost to UT & SC.  LSU's losses were both in 3OT and I believe one of those was on a missed 2-point try.
     
    RE:  last week's rankings....they mean nothing this week.  They are just a picture of how the voters/computers view the teams that week.  All polling is fluid from poll to poll so it shouldn't matter that LSU will jump from 7 to 2.
     
    I do respect your opinion and as Vanzack said whatever the result is, it will be flawed because the system is flawed.
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    if your argument is that who has played a better second half of the season, you are probably right that Georgia deserves it over LSU.  However, this is selection is based upon the entire season.
     
    Because it is based upon the entire season, you have to take into account the way Georgia lost to UT & SC.  LSU's losses were both in 3OT and I believe one of those was on a missed 2-point try.
     
    RE:  last week's rankings....they mean nothing this week.  They are just a picture of how the voters/computers view the teams that week.  All polling is fluid from poll to poll so it shouldn't matter that LSU will jump from 7 to 2.
     
    I do respect your opinion and as Vanzack said whatever the result is, it will be flawed because the system is flawed.
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by petelapot:

    Another idiot here. LSU vs OSU National Championship.
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    Another idiot here. LSU vs OSU National Championship.
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