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    Paterno Not Guilty? Not So Fast My Friend

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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2011 - 12:58 PM ET #51

    Just so tjohnsont doesn't get confused, when I say whistleblowers, I don't mean the refs in the game.

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    Just so tjohnsont doesn't get confused, when I say whistleblowers, I don't mean the refs in the game.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2011 - 12:59 PM ET #52

    How many children that we don't even know about yet were molested and violated over the years by Sandusky because as you say "Joe didn't do anything wrong"???

    Because "Joe" didn't want his athletic department tarnished by these child rape allegations he and many others stayed quiet......and put many more children in danger...

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    How many children that we don't even know about yet were molested and violated over the years by Sandusky because as you say "Joe didn't do anything wrong"???

    Because "Joe" didn't want his athletic department tarnished by these child rape allegations he and many others stayed quiet......and put many more children in danger...

     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2011 - 12:59 PM ET #53

    Quote Originally Posted by PokeSmot13:

    you obviously don't have any education, because then you'd know about the laws that protect whistleblowers. 

    I don't know about the whistleblower law and therfore I don't have an education.  

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    Quote Originally Posted by PokeSmot13:

    you obviously don't have any education, because then you'd know about the laws that protect whistleblowers. 

    I don't know about the whistleblower law and therfore I don't have an education.  

     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2011 - 1:00 PM ET #54

    Quote Originally Posted by tjohnsont:

    So you are telling me anyone that has any sort of education knows about the 'whistleblower law'?  

    yes like an Adult.  Someone who reads a newspaper or a book every once in a while.  Education isn't over after high school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjohnsont:

    So you are telling me anyone that has any sort of education knows about the 'whistleblower law'?  

    yes like an Adult.  Someone who reads a newspaper or a book every once in a while.  Education isn't over after high school.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2011 - 1:02 PM ET #55

    https://www.whistleblowers.org/

    https://www.whistleblowers.gov/

     

     

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    https://www.whistleblowers.org/

    https://www.whistleblowers.gov/

     

     

     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2011 - 1:04 PM ET #56

    Quote Originally Posted by joewashington:

    How many children that we don't even know about yet were molested and violated over the years by Sandusky because as you say "Joe didn't do anything wrong"???

    Because "Joe" didn't want his athletic department tarnished by these child rape allegations he and many others stayed quiet......and put many more children in danger...

    Why are you blaming everything on Joe?   What about Joe's wife that probably heard about it?  How about Sandusky's wife.  How about other co-workers and McCreary?  How about other students that heard about it?

    There's more to this than a guy named Joe that only 'heard' about what happened and reported to his superiors which is required by him. 

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by joewashington:

    How many children that we don't even know about yet were molested and violated over the years by Sandusky because as you say "Joe didn't do anything wrong"???

    Because "Joe" didn't want his athletic department tarnished by these child rape allegations he and many others stayed quiet......and put many more children in danger...

    Why are you blaming everything on Joe?   What about Joe's wife that probably heard about it?  How about Sandusky's wife.  How about other co-workers and McCreary?  How about other students that heard about it?

    There's more to this than a guy named Joe that only 'heard' about what happened and reported to his superiors which is required by him. 

     

     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2011 - 1:05 PM ET #57

    Assuming you have sufficient education Johnson.....read this

    Penn State scandal timeline:  https://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2011/11/09/penn-state-scandal-timeline-jerry-sandusky_n_1084204.html

    1998 – Victim 6 is taken into the locker rooms and showers when he is 11 years old. When Victim 6 is dropped off at home, his hair is wet from showering with Sandusky. His mother reports the incident to the university police, who investigate.

    Detective Ronald Schreffler testifies that he and State College Police Department Detective Ralph Ralston, with the consent of the mother of Victim 6, eavesdrop on two conversations the mother of Victim 6 has with Sandusky. Sandusky says he has showered with other boys and Victim 6's mother tries to make Sandusky promise never to shower with a boy again but he will not. At the end of the second conversation, after Sandusky is told he cannot see Victim 6 anymore, Schreffler testifies Sandusky says, "I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won't get it from you. I wish I were dead."

    Jerry Lauro, an investigator with the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare, testifies he and Schreffler interviewed Sandusky, and that Sandusky admits showering naked with Victim 6, admits to hugging Victim 6 while in the shower and admits that it was wrong.

    The case is closed after then-Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar decides there will be no criminal charge.

    June 1999 – Sandusky retires from Penn State but still holds emeritus status.

    Dec. 28, 1999 – Victim 4 is listed, along with Sandusky's wife, as a member of Sandusky's family party for the 1999 Alamo Bowl.

    Summer 2000 – Boy known as Victim 3 meets Sandusky through The Second Mile when he is between seventh and eighth grade.

    Fall 2000 – A janitor named James Calhoun observes Sandusky in the showers of the Lasch Football Building with a young boy, known as Victim 8, pinned up against the wall, performing oral sex on the boy. He tells other janitorial staff immediately. Fellow Office of Physical Plant employee Ronald Petrosky cleans the showers at Lasch and sees Sandusky and the boy, who he describes as being between the ages of 11 and 13.

    Calhoun tells other physical plant employees what he saw, including Jay Witherite, his immediate supervisor. Witherite tells him to whom he should report the incident. Calhoun was a temporary employee and never makes a report. Victim 8's identity is unknown.

    March 1, 2002 – A Penn State graduate assistant enters the locker room at the Lasch Football Building. In the showers, he sees a naked boy, known as Victim 2, whose age he estimates to be 10 years old, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky. The graduate assistant tells his father immediately.

    March 2, 2002 – In the morning, the graduate assistant calls Coach Joe Paterno and goes to Paterno's home, where he reports what he has seen.

    March 3, 2002 – Paterno calls Tim Curley, Penn State Athletic Director to his home the next day and reports a version of what the grad assistant had said.

    March 2002 – Later in the month the graduate assistant is called to a meeting with Curley and Senior Vice President for Finance and Business Gary Schultz. The grad assistant reports what he has seen and Curley and Schultz say they will look into it.

    March 27, 2002 (approximate) – The graduate assistant hears from Curley. He is told that Sandusky's locker room keys are taken away and that the incident has been reported to The Second Mile. The graduate assistant is never questioned by university police and no other entity conducts an investigation until the graduate assistant testifies in Grand Jury in December 2010.

    2005-2006 – Boy known as Victim 1 says that meets Sandusky through The Second Mile at age 11 or 12.

    Spring 2007 – During the 2007 track season, Sandusky begins spending time with Victim 1 weekly, having him stay overnight at his residence in College Township, Pa.

    Spring 2008 – Termination of contact with Victim 1 occurs when he is a freshman in a Clinton County high school. After the boy's mother calls the school to report sexual assault, Sandusky is barred from the school district attended by Victim 1 from that day forward and the matter is reported to authorities as mandated by law.

    Early 2009 – An investigation by the Pennsylvania attorney general begins when a Clinton County, Pa. teen boy tells authorities that Sandusky has inappropriately touched him several times over a four-year period.

    September 2010 – Sandusky retires from day-to-day involvement with The Second Mile, saying he wants to spend more time with family and handle personal matters.

    Nov. 5, 2011 – Sandusky is arrested and released on $100,000 bail after being arraigned on 40 criminal counts.

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    Assuming you have sufficient education Johnson.....read this

    Penn State scandal timeline:  https://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2011/11/09/penn-state-scandal-timeline-jerry-sandusky_n_1084204.html

    1998 – Victim 6 is taken into the locker rooms and showers when he is 11 years old. When Victim 6 is dropped off at home, his hair is wet from showering with Sandusky. His mother reports the incident to the university police, who investigate.

    Detective Ronald Schreffler testifies that he and State College Police Department Detective Ralph Ralston, with the consent of the mother of Victim 6, eavesdrop on two conversations the mother of Victim 6 has with Sandusky. Sandusky says he has showered with other boys and Victim 6's mother tries to make Sandusky promise never to shower with a boy again but he will not. At the end of the second conversation, after Sandusky is told he cannot see Victim 6 anymore, Schreffler testifies Sandusky says, "I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won't get it from you. I wish I were dead."

    Jerry Lauro, an investigator with the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare, testifies he and Schreffler interviewed Sandusky, and that Sandusky admits showering naked with Victim 6, admits to hugging Victim 6 while in the shower and admits that it was wrong.

    The case is closed after then-Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar decides there will be no criminal charge.

    June 1999 – Sandusky retires from Penn State but still holds emeritus status.

    Dec. 28, 1999 – Victim 4 is listed, along with Sandusky's wife, as a member of Sandusky's family party for the 1999 Alamo Bowl.

    Summer 2000 – Boy known as Victim 3 meets Sandusky through The Second Mile when he is between seventh and eighth grade.

    Fall 2000 – A janitor named James Calhoun observes Sandusky in the showers of the Lasch Football Building with a young boy, known as Victim 8, pinned up against the wall, performing oral sex on the boy. He tells other janitorial staff immediately. Fellow Office of Physical Plant employee Ronald Petrosky cleans the showers at Lasch and sees Sandusky and the boy, who he describes as being between the ages of 11 and 13.

    Calhoun tells other physical plant employees what he saw, including Jay Witherite, his immediate supervisor. Witherite tells him to whom he should report the incident. Calhoun was a temporary employee and never makes a report. Victim 8's identity is unknown.

    March 1, 2002 – A Penn State graduate assistant enters the locker room at the Lasch Football Building. In the showers, he sees a naked boy, known as Victim 2, whose age he estimates to be 10 years old, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky. The graduate assistant tells his father immediately.

    March 2, 2002 – In the morning, the graduate assistant calls Coach Joe Paterno and goes to Paterno's home, where he reports what he has seen.

    March 3, 2002 – Paterno calls Tim Curley, Penn State Athletic Director to his home the next day and reports a version of what the grad assistant had said.

    March 2002 – Later in the month the graduate assistant is called to a meeting with Curley and Senior Vice President for Finance and Business Gary Schultz. The grad assistant reports what he has seen and Curley and Schultz say they will look into it.

    March 27, 2002 (approximate) – The graduate assistant hears from Curley. He is told that Sandusky's locker room keys are taken away and that the incident has been reported to The Second Mile. The graduate assistant is never questioned by university police and no other entity conducts an investigation until the graduate assistant testifies in Grand Jury in December 2010.

    2005-2006 – Boy known as Victim 1 says that meets Sandusky through The Second Mile at age 11 or 12.

    Spring 2007 – During the 2007 track season, Sandusky begins spending time with Victim 1 weekly, having him stay overnight at his residence in College Township, Pa.

    Spring 2008 – Termination of contact with Victim 1 occurs when he is a freshman in a Clinton County high school. After the boy's mother calls the school to report sexual assault, Sandusky is barred from the school district attended by Victim 1 from that day forward and the matter is reported to authorities as mandated by law.

    Early 2009 – An investigation by the Pennsylvania attorney general begins when a Clinton County, Pa. teen boy tells authorities that Sandusky has inappropriately touched him several times over a four-year period.

    September 2010 – Sandusky retires from day-to-day involvement with The Second Mile, saying he wants to spend more time with family and handle personal matters.

    Nov. 5, 2011 – Sandusky is arrested and released on $100,000 bail after being arraigned on 40 criminal counts.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2011 - 1:07 PM ET #58

    Quote Originally Posted by joewashington:

    Assuming you have sufficient education Johnson.....read this

    Penn State scandal timeline:  https://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2011/11/09/penn-state-scandal-timeline-jerry-sandusky_n_1084204.html

    1998 – Victim 6 is taken into the locker rooms and showers when he is 11 years old. When Victim 6 is dropped off at home, his hair is wet from showering with Sandusky. His mother reports the incident to the university police, who investigate.

    Detective Ronald Schreffler testifies that he and State College Police Department Detective Ralph Ralston, with the consent of the mother of Victim 6, eavesdrop on two conversations the mother of Victim 6 has with Sandusky. Sandusky says he has showered with other boys and Victim 6's mother tries to make Sandusky promise never to shower with a boy again but he will not. At the end of the second conversation, after Sandusky is told he cannot see Victim 6 anymore, Schreffler testifies Sandusky says, "I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won't get it from you. I wish I were dead."

    Jerry Lauro, an investigator with the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare, testifies he and Schreffler interviewed Sandusky, and that Sandusky admits showering naked with Victim 6, admits to hugging Victim 6 while in the shower and admits that it was wrong.

    The case is closed after then-Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar decides there will be no criminal charge.

    June 1999 – Sandusky retires from Penn State but still holds emeritus status.

    Dec. 28, 1999 – Victim 4 is listed, along with Sandusky's wife, as a member of Sandusky's family party for the 1999 Alamo Bowl.

    Summer 2000 – Boy known as Victim 3 meets Sandusky through The Second Mile when he is between seventh and eighth grade.

    Fall 2000 – A janitor named James Calhoun observes Sandusky in the showers of the Lasch Football Building with a young boy, known as Victim 8, pinned up against the wall, performing oral sex on the boy. He tells other janitorial staff immediately. Fellow Office of Physical Plant employee Ronald Petrosky cleans the showers at Lasch and sees Sandusky and the boy, who he describes as being between the ages of 11 and 13.

    Calhoun tells other physical plant employees what he saw, including Jay Witherite, his immediate supervisor. Witherite tells him to whom he should report the incident. Calhoun was a temporary employee and never makes a report. Victim 8's identity is unknown.

    March 1, 2002 – A Penn State graduate assistant enters the locker room at the Lasch Football Building. In the showers, he sees a naked boy, known as Victim 2, whose age he estimates to be 10 years old, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky. The graduate assistant tells his father immediately.

    March 2, 2002 – In the morning, the graduate assistant calls Coach Joe Paterno ...

     

    he probably needs pictures and sounds to keep his attention

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    Quote Originally Posted by joewashington:

    Assuming you have sufficient education Johnson.....read this

    Penn State scandal timeline:  https://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2011/11/09/penn-state-scandal-timeline-jerry-sandusky_n_1084204.html

    1998 – Victim 6 is taken into the locker rooms and showers when he is 11 years old. When Victim 6 is dropped off at home, his hair is wet from showering with Sandusky. His mother reports the incident to the university police, who investigate.

    Detective Ronald Schreffler testifies that he and State College Police Department Detective Ralph Ralston, with the consent of the mother of Victim 6, eavesdrop on two conversations the mother of Victim 6 has with Sandusky. Sandusky says he has showered with other boys and Victim 6's mother tries to make Sandusky promise never to shower with a boy again but he will not. At the end of the second conversation, after Sandusky is told he cannot see Victim 6 anymore, Schreffler testifies Sandusky says, "I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won't get it from you. I wish I were dead."

    Jerry Lauro, an investigator with the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare, testifies he and Schreffler interviewed Sandusky, and that Sandusky admits showering naked with Victim 6, admits to hugging Victim 6 while in the shower and admits that it was wrong.

    The case is closed after then-Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar decides there will be no criminal charge.

    June 1999 – Sandusky retires from Penn State but still holds emeritus status.

    Dec. 28, 1999 – Victim 4 is listed, along with Sandusky's wife, as a member of Sandusky's family party for the 1999 Alamo Bowl.

    Summer 2000 – Boy known as Victim 3 meets Sandusky through The Second Mile when he is between seventh and eighth grade.

    Fall 2000 – A janitor named James Calhoun observes Sandusky in the showers of the Lasch Football Building with a young boy, known as Victim 8, pinned up against the wall, performing oral sex on the boy. He tells other janitorial staff immediately. Fellow Office of Physical Plant employee Ronald Petrosky cleans the showers at Lasch and sees Sandusky and the boy, who he describes as being between the ages of 11 and 13.

    Calhoun tells other physical plant employees what he saw, including Jay Witherite, his immediate supervisor. Witherite tells him to whom he should report the incident. Calhoun was a temporary employee and never makes a report. Victim 8's identity is unknown.

    March 1, 2002 – A Penn State graduate assistant enters the locker room at the Lasch Football Building. In the showers, he sees a naked boy, known as Victim 2, whose age he estimates to be 10 years old, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky. The graduate assistant tells his father immediately.

    March 2, 2002 – In the morning, the graduate assistant calls Coach Joe Paterno ...

     

    he probably needs pictures and sounds to keep his attention

     
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    https://www.whistleblowers.org/

    https://www.whistleblowers.gov/

     

     

    So now that I am aware of it, can I consider myself a person that has an education? 

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    https://www.whistleblowers.gov/

     

     

    So now that I am aware of it, can I consider myself a person that has an education? 

     
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    Not risk losing your job or stick your neck out? I am almost sure those young boys really appreciate that.  Who are they to expect you (an adult) to go above and beyond for them.

    If someone comes to you and tells you the story that Mcreary did and it involves a person you have known for 35 years and almost considered family, I would think the reaction to hearing something like this would be total outrage to at least the situation. The thought wouldnt cross anyones mind to put mcreary and sandusky in the same room and put some shit on the table? I would completely lose it over what was said they saw and who was being accused. I would have needed to light this shit up like a roman candle and push to find some answers especially since this had already been brought up in the past as an issue! And everytime Sandusky shows up with 1 boy at a penn state practice, Doesn't the question even come to your mind? Doesn't faze your mind when your own children are around him?  Following the letter of the law to protect an institutaion or an individual because you don't want to destroy their lives is an instant choice some one makes the minute that it happens.  I just dont see any regard for the boys here at all. its all talk about whether or not Joe Pa followed the moral or legal steps neccesary and should he have been fired.

    I guess even with the information that all of us has seen and heard about all this, can you look those certain individuals in the eyes and look at them the same way again.  I cannot.

     

    Tjohnson i am just making a point not starting an arguement

    excuse all grammer and spelling (typing this in a training session and non considering important)

     

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    Not risk losing your job or stick your neck out? I am almost sure those young boys really appreciate that.  Who are they to expect you (an adult) to go above and beyond for them.

    If someone comes to you and tells you the story that Mcreary did and it involves a person you have known for 35 years and almost considered family, I would think the reaction to hearing something like this would be total outrage to at least the situation. The thought wouldnt cross anyones mind to put mcreary and sandusky in the same room and put some shit on the table? I would completely lose it over what was said they saw and who was being accused. I would have needed to light this shit up like a roman candle and push to find some answers especially since this had already been brought up in the past as an issue! And everytime Sandusky shows up with 1 boy at a penn state practice, Doesn't the question even come to your mind? Doesn't faze your mind when your own children are around him?  Following the letter of the law to protect an institutaion or an individual because you don't want to destroy their lives is an instant choice some one makes the minute that it happens.  I just dont see any regard for the boys here at all. its all talk about whether or not Joe Pa followed the moral or legal steps neccesary and should he have been fired.

    I guess even with the information that all of us has seen and heard about all this, can you look those certain individuals in the eyes and look at them the same way again.  I cannot.

     

    Tjohnson i am just making a point not starting an arguement

    excuse all grammer and spelling (typing this in a training session and non considering important)

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by joewashington:

    Assuming you have sufficient education Johnson.....read this

    Penn State scandal timeline:  https://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2011/11/09/penn-state-scandal-timeline-jerry-sandusky_n_1084204.html

    1998 – Victim 6 is taken into the locker rooms and showers when he is 11 years old. When Victim 6 is dropped off at home, his hair is wet from showering with Sandusky. His mother reports the incident to the university police, who investigate.

    Detective Ronald Schreffler testifies that he and State College Police Department Detective Ralph Ralston, with the consent of the mother of Victim 6, eavesdrop on two conversations the mother of Victim 6 has with Sandusky. Sandusky says he has showered with other boys and Victim 6's mother tries to make Sandusky promise never to shower with a boy again but he will not. At the end of the second conversation, after Sandusky is told he cannot see Victim 6 anymore, Schreffler testifies Sandusky says, "I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won't get it from you. I wish I were dead."

    Jerry Lauro, an investigator with the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare, testifies he and Schreffler interviewed Sandusky, and that Sandusky admits showering naked with Victim 6, admits to hugging Victim 6 while in the shower and admits that it was wrong.

    The case is closed after then-Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar decides there will be no criminal charge.

    June 1999 – Sandusky retires from Penn State but still holds emeritus status.

    Dec. 28, 1999 – Victim 4 is listed, along with Sandusky's wife, as a member of Sandusky's family party for the 1999 Alamo Bowl.

    Summer 2000 – Boy known as Victim 3 meets Sandusky through The Second Mile when he is between seventh and eighth grade.

    Fall 2000 – A janitor named James Calhoun observes Sandusky in the showers of the Lasch Football Building with a young boy, known as Victim 8, pinned up against the wall, performing oral sex on the boy. He tells other janitorial staff immediately. Fellow Office of Physical Plant employee Ronald Petrosky cleans the showers at Lasch and sees Sandusky and the boy, who he describes as being between the ages of 11 and 13.

    Calhoun tells other physical plant employees what he saw, including Jay Witherite, his immediate supervisor. Witherite tells him to whom he should report the incident. Calhoun was a temporary employee and never makes a report. Victim 8's identity is unknown.

    March 1, 2002 – A Penn State graduate assistant enters the locker room at the Lasch Football Building. In the showers, he sees a naked boy, known as Victim 2, whose age he estimates to be 10 years old, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky. The graduate assistant tells his father immediately.

    March 2, 2002 – In the morning, the graduate assistant calls Coach Joe Paterno and goes to Paterno's home, where he reports what he has seen.

    March 3, 2002 – Paterno calls Tim Curley, Penn State Athletic Director to his home the next day and reports a version of what the grad assistant had said.

    March 2002 – Later in the month the graduate assistant is called to a meeting with Curley and Senior Vice President for Finance and Business Gary Schultz. The grad assistant reports what he has seen and Curley and Schultz say they will look into it.

    March 27, 2002 (approximate) – The graduate assistant hears from Curley. He is told that Sandusky's locker room keys are taken away and that the incident has been reported to The Second Mile. The graduate assistant is never questioned by university police and no other entity conducts an investigation until the graduate assistant testifies in Grand Jury in December 2010.

    2005-2006 – Boy known as Victim 1 says that meets Sandusky through The Second Mile at age 11 or 12.

    Spring 2007 – During the 2007 track season, Sandusky begins spending time with Victim 1 weekly, having him stay overnight at his residence in College Township, Pa.

    Had to shorten your timeling.

    So are you telling me the police knew about this years ago?

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    Assuming you have sufficient education Johnson.....read this

    Penn State scandal timeline:  https://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2011/11/09/penn-state-scandal-timeline-jerry-sandusky_n_1084204.html

    1998 – Victim 6 is taken into the locker rooms and showers when he is 11 years old. When Victim 6 is dropped off at home, his hair is wet from showering with Sandusky. His mother reports the incident to the university police, who investigate.

    Detective Ronald Schreffler testifies that he and State College Police Department Detective Ralph Ralston, with the consent of the mother of Victim 6, eavesdrop on two conversations the mother of Victim 6 has with Sandusky. Sandusky says he has showered with other boys and Victim 6's mother tries to make Sandusky promise never to shower with a boy again but he will not. At the end of the second conversation, after Sandusky is told he cannot see Victim 6 anymore, Schreffler testifies Sandusky says, "I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won't get it from you. I wish I were dead."

    Jerry Lauro, an investigator with the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare, testifies he and Schreffler interviewed Sandusky, and that Sandusky admits showering naked with Victim 6, admits to hugging Victim 6 while in the shower and admits that it was wrong.

    The case is closed after then-Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar decides there will be no criminal charge.

    June 1999 – Sandusky retires from Penn State but still holds emeritus status.

    Dec. 28, 1999 – Victim 4 is listed, along with Sandusky's wife, as a member of Sandusky's family party for the 1999 Alamo Bowl.

    Summer 2000 – Boy known as Victim 3 meets Sandusky through The Second Mile when he is between seventh and eighth grade.

    Fall 2000 – A janitor named James Calhoun observes Sandusky in the showers of the Lasch Football Building with a young boy, known as Victim 8, pinned up against the wall, performing oral sex on the boy. He tells other janitorial staff immediately. Fellow Office of Physical Plant employee Ronald Petrosky cleans the showers at Lasch and sees Sandusky and the boy, who he describes as being between the ages of 11 and 13.

    Calhoun tells other physical plant employees what he saw, including Jay Witherite, his immediate supervisor. Witherite tells him to whom he should report the incident. Calhoun was a temporary employee and never makes a report. Victim 8's identity is unknown.

    March 1, 2002 – A Penn State graduate assistant enters the locker room at the Lasch Football Building. In the showers, he sees a naked boy, known as Victim 2, whose age he estimates to be 10 years old, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky. The graduate assistant tells his father immediately.

    March 2, 2002 – In the morning, the graduate assistant calls Coach Joe Paterno and goes to Paterno's home, where he reports what he has seen.

    March 3, 2002 – Paterno calls Tim Curley, Penn State Athletic Director to his home the next day and reports a version of what the grad assistant had said.

    March 2002 – Later in the month the graduate assistant is called to a meeting with Curley and Senior Vice President for Finance and Business Gary Schultz. The grad assistant reports what he has seen and Curley and Schultz say they will look into it.

    March 27, 2002 (approximate) – The graduate assistant hears from Curley. He is told that Sandusky's locker room keys are taken away and that the incident has been reported to The Second Mile. The graduate assistant is never questioned by university police and no other entity conducts an investigation until the graduate assistant testifies in Grand Jury in December 2010.

    2005-2006 – Boy known as Victim 1 says that meets Sandusky through The Second Mile at age 11 or 12.

    Spring 2007 – During the 2007 track season, Sandusky begins spending time with Victim 1 weekly, having him stay overnight at his residence in College Township, Pa.

    Had to shorten your timeling.

    So are you telling me the police knew about this years ago?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by tjohnsont:

    Why are you blaming everything on Joe?   What about Joe's wife that probably heard about it?  How about Sandusky's wife.  How about other co-workers and McCreary?  How about other students that heard about it?

    There's more to this than a guy named Joe that only 'heard' about what happened and reported to his superiors which is required by him. 

     

    Because of this https://deadspin.com/5857629/joe-paternos-annual-compensation-is-200000-higher-than-the-psu-presidents-and-other-grotesqueries  .  He made himself to be more important than the President of the school

     

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    Why are you blaming everything on Joe?   What about Joe's wife that probably heard about it?  How about Sandusky's wife.  How about other co-workers and McCreary?  How about other students that heard about it?

    There's more to this than a guy named Joe that only 'heard' about what happened and reported to his superiors which is required by him. 

     

    Because of this https://deadspin.com/5857629/joe-paternos-annual-compensation-is-200000-higher-than-the-psu-presidents-and-other-grotesqueries  .  He made himself to be more important than the President of the school

     

     
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    Anybody remember Watergate??  The burglary wasn't the real crime.....the COVER UP was the real crime.....Paterno isn't the only one involved in this COVER UP......but he is at the heart of it because of his continued silence about this crime.....I can't be sure that the university police....and I use that term loosely.....weren't involved in this COVER UP  as well and were nfluenced to keep quiet by Paterno's kingly status......

    Perhaps it's time for the FBI to become involved.....

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    Anybody remember Watergate??  The burglary wasn't the real crime.....the COVER UP was the real crime.....Paterno isn't the only one involved in this COVER UP......but he is at the heart of it because of his continued silence about this crime.....I can't be sure that the university police....and I use that term loosely.....weren't involved in this COVER UP  as well and were nfluenced to keep quiet by Paterno's kingly status......

    Perhaps it's time for the FBI to become involved.....

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by joewashington:

    Anybody remember Watergate??  The burglary wasn't the real crime.....the COVER UP was the real crime.....Paterno isn't the only one involved in this COVER UP......but he is at the heart of it because of his continued silence about this crime.....I can't be sure that the university police....and I use that term loosely.....weren't involved in this COVER UP  as well and were nfluenced to keep quiet by Paterno's kingly status......

    Perhaps it's time for the FBI to become involved.....

    The authorities will get to the bottom of this.  This is what needs to happen.   But until then it would be smarter to not assume.

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    Anybody remember Watergate??  The burglary wasn't the real crime.....the COVER UP was the real crime.....Paterno isn't the only one involved in this COVER UP......but he is at the heart of it because of his continued silence about this crime.....I can't be sure that the university police....and I use that term loosely.....weren't involved in this COVER UP  as well and were nfluenced to keep quiet by Paterno's kingly status......

    Perhaps it's time for the FBI to become involved.....

    The authorities will get to the bottom of this.  This is what needs to happen.   But until then it would be smarter to not assume.

     
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    After 2002, Did Sandusky ever go to away games with the team? 

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    After 2002, Did Sandusky ever go to away games with the team? 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by PokeSmot13:

    Because of this https://deadspin.com/5857629/joe-paternos-annual-compensation-is-200000-higher-than-the-psu-presidents-and-other-grotesqueries  .  He made himself to be more important than the President of the school

     

    So you are jealous that Joe gets paid alot and so he deserves to be blamed for something he didn't even witness?

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    Because of this https://deadspin.com/5857629/joe-paternos-annual-compensation-is-200000-higher-than-the-psu-presidents-and-other-grotesqueries  .  He made himself to be more important than the President of the school

     

    So you are jealous that Joe gets paid alot and so he deserves to be blamed for something he didn't even witness?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by PokeSmot13:

    After 2002, Did Sandusky ever go to away games with the team? 

    Yes.....he had children from this sham foundation listed as his guests when Penn State went to the Outback Bowl......last time I checked...Paterno was coach at that game too.....

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    After 2002, Did Sandusky ever go to away games with the team? 

    Yes.....he had children from this sham foundation listed as his guests when Penn State went to the Outback Bowl......last time I checked...Paterno was coach at that game too.....

     
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    https://www.nesn.com/2011/11/jerry-sandusky-rumored-to-have-been-pimping-out-young-boys-to-rich-donors-says-mark-madden.html

    so long Penn State, hope you have money left over for electricity

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    https://www.nesn.com/2011/11/jerry-sandusky-rumored-to-have-been-pimping-out-young-boys-to-rich-donors-says-mark-madden.html

    so long Penn State, hope you have money left over for electricity

     
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    Tjohnson, you really should just shut up, you're embarrassing yourself
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    So you are jealous that Joe gets paid alot and so he deserves to be blamed for something he didn't even witness?

    no, I was showing you he wasn't just a "staff member". He HAD authority.

    https://www.nesn.com/2011/11/jerry-sandusky-rumored-to-have-been-pimping-out-young-boys-to-rich-donors-says-mark-madden.html 

    that link should be the end of you. Shut up already. Penn State is done

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    So you are jealous that Joe gets paid alot and so he deserves to be blamed for something he didn't even witness?

    no, I was showing you he wasn't just a "staff member". He HAD authority.

    https://www.nesn.com/2011/11/jerry-sandusky-rumored-to-have-been-pimping-out-young-boys-to-rich-donors-says-mark-madden.html 

    that link should be the end of you. Shut up already. Penn State is done

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by tjohnsont:

    So you are jealous that Joe gets paid alot and so he deserves to be blamed for something he didn't even witness?

    Joe can admit that he didn't do enough (which he did).  Why can't you.

    You can argue that many others were complicit in keeping this covered up....and they were.  Some even more so than Joe (hence the reason for the charges for others).  But that doesn't take Joe off the hook for not doing something.

    Joe admitted that McQueary told him he witnessed something "sexually inappropriate and fondling" in the shower.

    And all Joe did was report it and just forget about it forever....and you think that's OK?  Never asked McQueary for details.  In fact, I don't think he was ever involved in a discussion about what should be done after he pawned the responsibility off on the AD.

    It's unforgiveable. 

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    So you are jealous that Joe gets paid alot and so he deserves to be blamed for something he didn't even witness?

    Joe can admit that he didn't do enough (which he did).  Why can't you.

    You can argue that many others were complicit in keeping this covered up....and they were.  Some even more so than Joe (hence the reason for the charges for others).  But that doesn't take Joe off the hook for not doing something.

    Joe admitted that McQueary told him he witnessed something "sexually inappropriate and fondling" in the shower.

    And all Joe did was report it and just forget about it forever....and you think that's OK?  Never asked McQueary for details.  In fact, I don't think he was ever involved in a discussion about what should be done after he pawned the responsibility off on the AD.

    It's unforgiveable. 

     
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    I completely agree with you.  And no one will disagree that Sandusky deserves to burn in hell and live the rest of his life behind bars.  

    Could Joe have done more about it?   Most likely.  But he did do what was required of him by his employer and even the police said at this time Joe had no legal responsibility.   Police seemed to have prior knowledge also.    For all we know, it could have been real tough for Joe to go to work and see that pedophile, but Joe has a job to do also- he has to feed his family and do what he had to do.  It's just a fact of life.  We don't live in a perfect world.   Joe could only do so much besides crossing the line and beating or taking Sandusky's life or breaking all the rules in the book.  All around the world there are many other stories like this if not worse.  It's unfortunate but this is not new.   

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    I completely agree with you.  And no one will disagree that Sandusky deserves to burn in hell and live the rest of his life behind bars.  

    Could Joe have done more about it?   Most likely.  But he did do what was required of him by his employer and even the police said at this time Joe had no legal responsibility.   Police seemed to have prior knowledge also.    For all we know, it could have been real tough for Joe to go to work and see that pedophile, but Joe has a job to do also- he has to feed his family and do what he had to do.  It's just a fact of life.  We don't live in a perfect world.   Joe could only do so much besides crossing the line and beating or taking Sandusky's life or breaking all the rules in the book.  All around the world there are many other stories like this if not worse.  It's unfortunate but this is not new.   

     
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    ESPN poll:  43% say Joe shouldn't have been fired.  Over 200,000 votes.

    A lot of stupid people in this country. 

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    A lot of stupid people in this country. 

     
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    Its hard to imagine that if Joe pa decided at that time to light up some shit about sandusky even with a media blitz that Penn Stae would have fired him for doing so.  You can't have a reputation and admiration from the world and decide to do the right thing and get ousted for it.

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    Its hard to imagine that if Joe pa decided at that time to light up some shit about sandusky even with a media blitz that Penn Stae would have fired him for doing so.  You can't have a reputation and admiration from the world and decide to do the right thing and get ousted for it.

     
     
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    has a job to do also- he has to feed his family and do what he had to do. 

    ________

    So he can't do his job or feed his family if he reports some alleged illegal activity at his school?

    Are you really this dumb?

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    Are you really this dumb?

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