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    Paterno Not Guilty? Not So Fast My Friend

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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2011 - 7:51 PM ET #1

    Everyone is saying Paterno commited no crime.....Well folks....being complicit in a COVER-UP of sex crimes being commited by a Penn State deviat pedophile with knowledge of his activities for years while merely telling him to refrain from bringing young boys on campus is potentially punishable by decades in prison.

    Based on what evidence has been published thusfar.....how could there not have been a cover up and criminal obstruction of justice? Former Penn State All-American Mike Haynes was interviewed on ESPN last hour saying that his mother who worked at the university has been telling him about this scandal for years but that he never believed her because it was never in the news....There was a conspiracy to cover up this crime by University executives, Paterno, some coaches and who knows who else. I believe there will be many criminal charges filed against many more than just Sandusky. We know Paterno knew what happened. Did everyone else conduct the Cover-Up and Paterno just played along? Did he never have a conversation about this with anyone for nearly a decade after McQueary reports to Paterno he witnessed Sandusky having anal-intercourse with a 10 year old boy in a Penn State locker room shower?

    JoePa in handcuffs........don't think it can't happen.

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    Everyone is saying Paterno commited no crime.....Well folks....being complicit in a COVER-UP of sex crimes being commited by a Penn State deviat pedophile with knowledge of his activities for years while merely telling him to refrain from bringing young boys on campus is potentially punishable by decades in prison.

    Based on what evidence has been published thusfar.....how could there not have been a cover up and criminal obstruction of justice? Former Penn State All-American Mike Haynes was interviewed on ESPN last hour saying that his mother who worked at the university has been telling him about this scandal for years but that he never believed her because it was never in the news....There was a conspiracy to cover up this crime by University executives, Paterno, some coaches and who knows who else. I believe there will be many criminal charges filed against many more than just Sandusky. We know Paterno knew what happened. Did everyone else conduct the Cover-Up and Paterno just played along? Did he never have a conversation about this with anyone for nearly a decade after McQueary reports to Paterno he witnessed Sandusky having anal-intercourse with a 10 year old boy in a Penn State locker room shower?

    JoePa in handcuffs........don't think it can't happen.

     
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    Penn State scandal timeline:  https://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2011/11/09/penn-state-scandal-timeline-jerry-sandusky_n_1084204.html

    1998 – Victim 6 is taken into the locker rooms and showers when he is 11 years old. When Victim 6 is dropped off at home, his hair is wet from showering with Sandusky. His mother reports the incident to the university police, who investigate.

    Detective Ronald Schreffler testifies that he and State College Police Department Detective Ralph Ralston, with the consent of the mother of Victim 6, eavesdrop on two conversations the mother of Victim 6 has with Sandusky. Sandusky says he has showered with other boys and Victim 6's mother tries to make Sandusky promise never to shower with a boy again but he will not. At the end of the second conversation, after Sandusky is told he cannot see Victim 6 anymore, Schreffler testifies Sandusky says, "I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won't get it from you. I wish I were dead."

    Jerry Lauro, an investigator with the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare, testifies he and Schreffler interviewed Sandusky, and that Sandusky admits showering naked with Victim 6, admits to hugging Victim 6 while in the shower and admits that it was wrong.

    The case is closed after then-Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar decides there will be no criminal charge.

    June 1999 – Sandusky retires from Penn State but still holds emeritus status.

    Dec. 28, 1999 – Victim 4 is listed, along with Sandusky's wife, as a member of Sandusky's family party for the 1999 Alamo Bowl.

    Summer 2000 – Boy known as Victim 3 meets Sandusky through The Second Mile when he is between seventh and eighth grade.

    Fall 2000 – A janitor named James Calhoun observes Sandusky in the showers of the Lasch Football Building with a young boy, known as Victim 8, pinned up against the wall, performing oral sex on the boy. He tells other janitorial staff immediately. Fellow Office of Physical Plant employee Ronald Petrosky cleans the showers at Lasch and sees Sandusky and the boy, who he describes as being between the ages of 11 and 13.

    Calhoun tells other physical plant employees what he saw, including Jay Witherite, his immediate supervisor. Witherite tells him to whom he should report the incident. Calhoun was a temporary employee and never makes a report. Victim 8's identity is unknown.

    March 1, 2002 – A Penn State graduate assistant enters the locker room at the Lasch Football Building. In the showers, he sees a naked boy, known as Victim 2, whose age he estimates to be 10 years old, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky. The graduate assistant tells his father immediately.

    March 2, 2002 – In the morning, the graduate assistant calls Coach Joe Paterno and goes to Paterno's home, where he reports what he has seen.

    March 3, 2002 – Paterno calls Tim Curley, Penn State Athletic Director to his home the next day and reports a version of what the grad assistant had said.

    March 2002 – Later in the month the graduate assistant is called to a meeting with Curley and Senior Vice President for Finance and Business Gary Schultz. The grad assistant reports what he has seen and Curley and Schultz say they will look into it.

    March 27, 2002 (approximate) – The graduate assistant hears from Curley. He is told that Sandusky's locker room keys are taken away and that the incident has been reported to The Second Mile. The graduate assistant is never questioned by university police and no other entity conducts an investigation until the graduate assistant testifies in Grand Jury in December 2010.

    2005-2006 – Boy known as Victim 1 says that meets Sandusky through The Second Mile at age 11 or 12.

    Spring 2007 – During the 2007 track season, Sandusky begins spending time with Victim 1 weekly, having him stay overnight at his residence in College Township, Pa.

    Spring 2008 – Termination of contact with Victim 1 occurs when he is a freshman in a Clinton County high school. After the boy's mother calls the school to report sexual assault, Sandusky is barred from the school district attended by Victim 1 from that day forward and the matter is reported to authorities as mandated by law.

    Early 2009 – An investigation by the Pennsylvania attorney general begins when a Clinton County, Pa. teen boy tells authorities that Sandusky has inappropriately touched him several times over a four-year period.

    September 2010 – Sandusky retires from day-to-day involvement with The Second Mile, saying he wants to spend more time with family and handle personal matters.

    Nov. 5, 2011 – Sandusky is arrested and released on $100,000 bail after being arraigned on 40 criminal counts.

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    Penn State scandal timeline:  https://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2011/11/09/penn-state-scandal-timeline-jerry-sandusky_n_1084204.html

    1998 – Victim 6 is taken into the locker rooms and showers when he is 11 years old. When Victim 6 is dropped off at home, his hair is wet from showering with Sandusky. His mother reports the incident to the university police, who investigate.

    Detective Ronald Schreffler testifies that he and State College Police Department Detective Ralph Ralston, with the consent of the mother of Victim 6, eavesdrop on two conversations the mother of Victim 6 has with Sandusky. Sandusky says he has showered with other boys and Victim 6's mother tries to make Sandusky promise never to shower with a boy again but he will not. At the end of the second conversation, after Sandusky is told he cannot see Victim 6 anymore, Schreffler testifies Sandusky says, "I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won't get it from you. I wish I were dead."

    Jerry Lauro, an investigator with the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare, testifies he and Schreffler interviewed Sandusky, and that Sandusky admits showering naked with Victim 6, admits to hugging Victim 6 while in the shower and admits that it was wrong.

    The case is closed after then-Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar decides there will be no criminal charge.

    June 1999 – Sandusky retires from Penn State but still holds emeritus status.

    Dec. 28, 1999 – Victim 4 is listed, along with Sandusky's wife, as a member of Sandusky's family party for the 1999 Alamo Bowl.

    Summer 2000 – Boy known as Victim 3 meets Sandusky through The Second Mile when he is between seventh and eighth grade.

    Fall 2000 – A janitor named James Calhoun observes Sandusky in the showers of the Lasch Football Building with a young boy, known as Victim 8, pinned up against the wall, performing oral sex on the boy. He tells other janitorial staff immediately. Fellow Office of Physical Plant employee Ronald Petrosky cleans the showers at Lasch and sees Sandusky and the boy, who he describes as being between the ages of 11 and 13.

    Calhoun tells other physical plant employees what he saw, including Jay Witherite, his immediate supervisor. Witherite tells him to whom he should report the incident. Calhoun was a temporary employee and never makes a report. Victim 8's identity is unknown.

    March 1, 2002 – A Penn State graduate assistant enters the locker room at the Lasch Football Building. In the showers, he sees a naked boy, known as Victim 2, whose age he estimates to be 10 years old, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky. The graduate assistant tells his father immediately.

    March 2, 2002 – In the morning, the graduate assistant calls Coach Joe Paterno and goes to Paterno's home, where he reports what he has seen.

    March 3, 2002 – Paterno calls Tim Curley, Penn State Athletic Director to his home the next day and reports a version of what the grad assistant had said.

    March 2002 – Later in the month the graduate assistant is called to a meeting with Curley and Senior Vice President for Finance and Business Gary Schultz. The grad assistant reports what he has seen and Curley and Schultz say they will look into it.

    March 27, 2002 (approximate) – The graduate assistant hears from Curley. He is told that Sandusky's locker room keys are taken away and that the incident has been reported to The Second Mile. The graduate assistant is never questioned by university police and no other entity conducts an investigation until the graduate assistant testifies in Grand Jury in December 2010.

    2005-2006 – Boy known as Victim 1 says that meets Sandusky through The Second Mile at age 11 or 12.

    Spring 2007 – During the 2007 track season, Sandusky begins spending time with Victim 1 weekly, having him stay overnight at his residence in College Township, Pa.

    Spring 2008 – Termination of contact with Victim 1 occurs when he is a freshman in a Clinton County high school. After the boy's mother calls the school to report sexual assault, Sandusky is barred from the school district attended by Victim 1 from that day forward and the matter is reported to authorities as mandated by law.

    Early 2009 – An investigation by the Pennsylvania attorney general begins when a Clinton County, Pa. teen boy tells authorities that Sandusky has inappropriately touched him several times over a four-year period.

    September 2010 – Sandusky retires from day-to-day involvement with The Second Mile, saying he wants to spend more time with family and handle personal matters.

    Nov. 5, 2011 – Sandusky is arrested and released on $100,000 bail after being arraigned on 40 criminal counts.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2011 - 9:44 PM ET #4

    Paterno=Enabler
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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2011 - 9:47 PM ET #5

    Maybe Joe Pa is a pedophile himself.   It's no reason his last name starts with the "P" who easily could stand for Pedophile
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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2011 - 9:51 PM ET #6

    Fry all the scumbags involved directly or indirectly!!!
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    Fry all the scumbags involved directly or indirectly!!!
     
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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2011 - 9:53 PM ET #7

    Who gives a shit if he is guilty or not, this is a gambling forum so doubt most of us should be talking about morals. Either way, this crap don't need to be posted here.
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    Who gives a shit if he is guilty or not, this is a gambling forum so doubt most of us should be talking about morals. Either way, this crap don't need to be posted here.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2011 - 10:01 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by vegaslover:

    Who gives a shit if he is guilty or not, this is a gambling forum so doubt most of us should be talking about morals. Either way, this crap don't need to be posted here.

    So don't let the door hit you in the ass..............

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    Quote Originally Posted by vegaslover:

    Who gives a shit if he is guilty or not, this is a gambling forum so doubt most of us should be talking about morals. Either way, this crap don't need to be posted here.

    So don't let the door hit you in the ass..............

     
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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2011 - 10:17 PM ET #9

    Vegaslover what a ridculous opionion. We gamble on sports so we cant be disgusted about ten yr old boys being raped.

    How fucking dumb are you?
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    Vegaslover what a ridculous opionion. We gamble on sports so we cant be disgusted about ten yr old boys being raped.

    How fucking dumb are you?
     
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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2011 - 10:17 PM ET #10

    Ridiculous opinion
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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2011 - 10:19 PM ET #11

    We gamble on sports so we have no right to criticize a sixty yr old man for fucking a little boy

    Blown away by the stupidity of that, just fukn blown away
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    We gamble on sports so we have no right to criticize a sixty yr old man for fucking a little boy

    Blown away by the stupidity of that, just fukn blown away
     
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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2011 - 10:22 PM ET #12

    Paterno's firing is a prelude to his indictment......The charges against him won't be filed tonight or even tomorrow.....This investigation will drag on but ultimately he will be charged as complicit in this conspiracy to cover up criminal activity and obstruct justice.....

    His Seargent Schultz defense of "I know nothing".....will not fly.....

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    Paterno's firing is a prelude to his indictment......The charges against him won't be filed tonight or even tomorrow.....This investigation will drag on but ultimately he will be charged as complicit in this conspiracy to cover up criminal activity and obstruct justice.....

    His Seargent Schultz defense of "I know nothing".....will not fly.....

     
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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2011 - 10:33 PM ET #13

    nobody in their right mind mind thinks JoPa is not guilty
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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2011 - 11:02 PM ET #14

    Anybody believe that Paterno hasn't already hired a criminal defense attorney?
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    Anybody believe that Paterno hasn't already hired a criminal defense attorney?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by joewashington:

    Anybody believe that Paterno hasn't already hired a criminal defense attorney?


    Are you kidding?  PSU alum will be lining up by the hundreds to help him out pro bono.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joewashington:

    Anybody believe that Paterno hasn't already hired a criminal defense attorney?


    Are you kidding?  PSU alum will be lining up by the hundreds to help him out pro bono.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2011 - 12:48 AM ET #16

    This trial will no doubt get big ratings.....

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    This trial will no doubt get big ratings.....

     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2011 - 12:56 AM ET #17

    It's a sports forum not necessarily a gambling forum. When you see a post with Paterno's name in it you are able to not click your mouse right?
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    It's a sports forum not necessarily a gambling forum. When you see a post with Paterno's name in it you are able to not click your mouse right?
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2011 - 1:01 AM ET #18

    wether what JoePa did was criminal or not is moot and for the courts to decide.......that what he DID OR FAILED to do is MORALLY BANKRUPT in my book
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    wether what JoePa did was criminal or not is moot and for the courts to decide.......that what he DID OR FAILED to do is MORALLY BANKRUPT in my book
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2011 - 1:02 AM ET #19

    Quote Originally Posted by dg84:

    It's a sports forum not necessarily a gambling forum. When you see a post with Paterno's name in it you are able to not click your mouse right?

    It's called FREEDOM OF CHOICE 

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    Quote Originally Posted by dg84:

    It's a sports forum not necessarily a gambling forum. When you see a post with Paterno's name in it you are able to not click your mouse right?

    It's called FREEDOM OF CHOICE 

     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2011 - 10:42 AM ET #20

    Again, former Penn State All American Mike Haynes was interviewed last night saying his mother, who has worked at Penn St for years has been telling him about this scandal for the last few years. He said he never believed her because it was never in the news.

    This smells to high hell of a criminal COVER UP and conspiracy to obstruct justice which had to be conducted by many in the university including Paterno, simply because he knew.......I suspect there were several meetings/conversations over the years with all involved as to how to keep this all hush-hush......Well, the dirty little Happy Valley secret is out and Sandusky will not be the only one conviced of crimes here.

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    Again, former Penn State All American Mike Haynes was interviewed last night saying his mother, who has worked at Penn St for years has been telling him about this scandal for the last few years. He said he never believed her because it was never in the news.

    This smells to high hell of a criminal COVER UP and conspiracy to obstruct justice which had to be conducted by many in the university including Paterno, simply because he knew.......I suspect there were several meetings/conversations over the years with all involved as to how to keep this all hush-hush......Well, the dirty little Happy Valley secret is out and Sandusky will not be the only one conviced of crimes here.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2011 - 10:57 AM ET #21

    Listen to this Bullshit! 

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    I'd like to beat the living shit out of that prick! 
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    I'd like to beat the living shit out of that prick! 
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2011 - 11:04 AM ET #22

    Quote Originally Posted by joewashington:

    Everyone is saying Paterno commited no crime.....Well folks....being complicit in a COVER-UP of sex crimes being commited by a Penn State deviat pedophile with knowledge of his activities for years while merely telling him to refrain from bringing young boys on campus is potentially punishable by decades in prison.

    Based on what evidence has been published thusfar.....how could there not have been a cover up and criminal obstruction of justice? Former Penn State All-American Mike Haynes was interviewed on ESPN last hour saying that his mother who worked at the university has been telling him about this scandal for years but that he never believed her because it was never in the news....There was a conspiracy to cover up this crime by University executives, Paterno, some coaches and who knows who else. I believe there will be many criminal charges filed against many more than just Sandusky. We know Paterno knew what happened. Did everyone else conduct the Cover-Up and Paterno just played along? Did he never have a conversation about this with anyone for nearly a decade after McQueary reports to Paterno he witnessed Sandusky having anal-intercourse with a 10 year old boy in a Penn State locker room shower?

    JoePa in handcuffs........don't think it can't happen.

    Sounds like she had a failure to act also.  She never bothered at least making an anonymous phone call to child services or authorities herself.   I guess you can say that many are at fault to a certain degree.   Joe only 'heard' of the situation just like she 'heard' about a scandal.

    I'm sure Joe has seen many scandals and misbehaving during his tenure.  He made the smart decision to not try to get himself caught up in everything that goes around him.   It's unfortunate but most likely true. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by joewashington:

    Everyone is saying Paterno commited no crime.....Well folks....being complicit in a COVER-UP of sex crimes being commited by a Penn State deviat pedophile with knowledge of his activities for years while merely telling him to refrain from bringing young boys on campus is potentially punishable by decades in prison.

    Based on what evidence has been published thusfar.....how could there not have been a cover up and criminal obstruction of justice? Former Penn State All-American Mike Haynes was interviewed on ESPN last hour saying that his mother who worked at the university has been telling him about this scandal for years but that he never believed her because it was never in the news....There was a conspiracy to cover up this crime by University executives, Paterno, some coaches and who knows who else. I believe there will be many criminal charges filed against many more than just Sandusky. We know Paterno knew what happened. Did everyone else conduct the Cover-Up and Paterno just played along? Did he never have a conversation about this with anyone for nearly a decade after McQueary reports to Paterno he witnessed Sandusky having anal-intercourse with a 10 year old boy in a Penn State locker room shower?

    JoePa in handcuffs........don't think it can't happen.

    Sounds like she had a failure to act also.  She never bothered at least making an anonymous phone call to child services or authorities herself.   I guess you can say that many are at fault to a certain degree.   Joe only 'heard' of the situation just like she 'heard' about a scandal.

    I'm sure Joe has seen many scandals and misbehaving during his tenure.  He made the smart decision to not try to get himself caught up in everything that goes around him.   It's unfortunate but most likely true. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by tjohnsont:

    Sounds like she had a failure to act also.  She never bothered at least making an anonymous phone call to child services or authorities herself.   I guess you can say that many are at fault to a certain degree.   Joe only 'heard' of the situation just like she 'heard' about a scandal.

    I'm sure Joe has seen many scandals and misbehaving during his tenure.  He made the smart decision to not try to get himself caught up in everything that goes around him.   It's unfortunate but most likely true. 

    He made the smart decision? That is the most moronic statement I've heard yet......Not even my own 10 year old could make such a rediculous comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjohnsont:

    Sounds like she had a failure to act also.  She never bothered at least making an anonymous phone call to child services or authorities herself.   I guess you can say that many are at fault to a certain degree.   Joe only 'heard' of the situation just like she 'heard' about a scandal.

    I'm sure Joe has seen many scandals and misbehaving during his tenure.  He made the smart decision to not try to get himself caught up in everything that goes around him.   It's unfortunate but most likely true. 

    He made the smart decision? That is the most moronic statement I've heard yet......Not even my own 10 year old could make such a rediculous comment.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2011 - 11:43 AM ET #24

    Quote Originally Posted by joewashington:

    He made the smart decision? That is the most moronic statement I've heard yet......Not even my own 10 year old could make such a rediculous comment.

    What's up with all this hate on Joe.  Wasn't it Mcqueary that witnessed what happened.  Why is no one talking about him?

    Re: Joe- there are certain legalities and rules that an employee has to abide by.  Just because some guy told him something doesn't mean Joe has the right to make a firestorm out of it.  Supposedly Joe followed school protocol.  If so, that is up to the school or Joe's higher ups to make the report. 

    There is a chain of command for alot of things that are done in business. 

    If it's anyones fault, it's McQueary's.  He had first hand knowledge and witnessed the crime.  I'm sure he also reported to chain of command but if there is anyone that should be making reports, it would be the eyewitness.   What Joe heard is hearsay. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by joewashington:

    He made the smart decision? That is the most moronic statement I've heard yet......Not even my own 10 year old could make such a rediculous comment.

    What's up with all this hate on Joe.  Wasn't it Mcqueary that witnessed what happened.  Why is no one talking about him?

    Re: Joe- there are certain legalities and rules that an employee has to abide by.  Just because some guy told him something doesn't mean Joe has the right to make a firestorm out of it.  Supposedly Joe followed school protocol.  If so, that is up to the school or Joe's higher ups to make the report. 

    There is a chain of command for alot of things that are done in business. 

    If it's anyones fault, it's McQueary's.  He had first hand knowledge and witnessed the crime.  I'm sure he also reported to chain of command but if there is anyone that should be making reports, it would be the eyewitness.   What Joe heard is hearsay. 

     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2011 - 11:51 AM ET #25

    Paterno ignored the fact that his coach was raping a child in a Penn State locker room shower.....McQueary is a slime-ball......He is complicit no doubt but he was not the leader of the Penn State football team and many would argue of the university.

    He had a responsibility to follow up......and follow up.....and follow up to make sure this was acted upon and Sandusky turned into the authorities and eliminated from the university and the community for the continued safety of the university and the community moving forward.......If he knew was told that Sandusky had been observed stealing money from the athletic department petty cash box......should or would he have followed up on that? Of course...

    Don't see how Paterno can look himself in the mirror......maybe it's the dementia that keeps him from realizing what he has done........I don't know what your excuse is.....

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    Paterno ignored the fact that his coach was raping a child in a Penn State locker room shower.....McQueary is a slime-ball......He is complicit no doubt but he was not the leader of the Penn State football team and many would argue of the university.

    He had a responsibility to follow up......and follow up.....and follow up to make sure this was acted upon and Sandusky turned into the authorities and eliminated from the university and the community for the continued safety of the university and the community moving forward.......If he knew was told that Sandusky had been observed stealing money from the athletic department petty cash box......should or would he have followed up on that? Of course...

    Don't see how Paterno can look himself in the mirror......maybe it's the dementia that keeps him from realizing what he has done........I don't know what your excuse is.....

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