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    Posted: Oct. 17, 2011 - 2:07 PM ET #26

       I'm torn on this one, bad spot for Sparty as it will be hard for them to get up emotionally 110% after the Michigan game, but as dominant as Wiscy has looked this will be there first Big Ten road test test this season. I love MSU's defense and Baker and Bell in the back field but I do agree that Cousins is the key. Will he have enough time and accuracy to hit Cunningham and Martin when they do get open? If Wiscy finds a way  to take Cunningham out of the game then the Spartans are in trouble.

        Bottom line: I think if Mich st can avoid the early knock out punch by Wisconsin then they have a shot to stick around all game. They need to have long sustained drives by pounding the rock and taking an occasional shot or two with the play action passing game. If they are close at half time they will gain confidence as the game goes on and crowd will be in it from start to finish. However, Wilson is an absolute stud and is obviously playing at an unbelievable level. If the Badgers come out early and march right down the field to grab an early lead it could be a long day Dantonio and co. When this Badger offense gets on a roll they are basically unstoppable and they wear opposing defenses down with there physical o-line and running game. I'm probably sitting this one out depending on what happens with the number, but good luck to you guys that are playing it.
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       I'm torn on this one, bad spot for Sparty as it will be hard for them to get up emotionally 110% after the Michigan game, but as dominant as Wiscy has looked this will be there first Big Ten road test test this season. I love MSU's defense and Baker and Bell in the back field but I do agree that Cousins is the key. Will he have enough time and accuracy to hit Cunningham and Martin when they do get open? If Wiscy finds a way  to take Cunningham out of the game then the Spartans are in trouble.

        Bottom line: I think if Mich st can avoid the early knock out punch by Wisconsin then they have a shot to stick around all game. They need to have long sustained drives by pounding the rock and taking an occasional shot or two with the play action passing game. If they are close at half time they will gain confidence as the game goes on and crowd will be in it from start to finish. However, Wilson is an absolute stud and is obviously playing at an unbelievable level. If the Badgers come out early and march right down the field to grab an early lead it could be a long day Dantonio and co. When this Badger offense gets on a roll they are basically unstoppable and they wear opposing defenses down with there physical o-line and running game. I'm probably sitting this one out depending on what happens with the number, but good luck to you guys that are playing it.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 17, 2011 - 2:17 PM ET #27

    East Lansing

    8 pm start

    Sparty's from far and wide fully lathered

    Potentially one of the best environments we see all year in college football

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    East Lansing

    8 pm start

    Sparty's from far and wide fully lathered

    Potentially one of the best environments we see all year in college football

     
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    Posted: Oct. 17, 2011 - 2:19 PM ET #28

    Is Toon supposed to be back this week? Does anyone have an early update on his status? thx
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    Is Toon supposed to be back this week? Does anyone have an early update on his status? thx
     
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    Posted: Oct. 17, 2011 - 3:10 PM ET #29

    First real game wisconsin has played so will be interesting. All I know is with wilson as qb, they are in a totally different mindset then any other time since I started school there in 1973. He can be compared to cam newton in the fact he is a 1 yr phenom
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    First real game wisconsin has played so will be interesting. All I know is with wilson as qb, they are in a totally different mindset then any other time since I started school there in 1973. He can be compared to cam newton in the fact he is a 1 yr phenom
     
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    Posted: Oct. 17, 2011 - 3:13 PM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by badgerboy:

    First real game wisconsin has played so will be interesting. All I know is with wilson as qb, they are in a totally different mindset then any other time since I started school there in 1973. He can be compared to cam newton in the fact he is a 1 yr phenom


    I think you can count Nebraska as a real game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by badgerboy:

    First real game wisconsin has played so will be interesting. All I know is with wilson as qb, they are in a totally different mindset then any other time since I started school there in 1973. He can be compared to cam newton in the fact he is a 1 yr phenom


    I think you can count Nebraska as a real game.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 17, 2011 - 3:17 PM ET #31

    Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

    The Badgers destroyed Nebraska, a team thats really close to Sparty imo.







    i find it hilarious that so many MSU backers keep using the "Wisconsin hasn't played anyone" argument... considering:

    1. Wisconsin beat (by 30 points) a team that is better than anyone MSU has played so far...
    2. MSU lost to fucking Notre Dame, a team that is no better than Nebraska...
    3. MSU would struggle to beat Nebraska at home or on the road...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

    The Badgers destroyed Nebraska, a team thats really close to Sparty imo.







    i find it hilarious that so many MSU backers keep using the "Wisconsin hasn't played anyone" argument... considering:

    1. Wisconsin beat (by 30 points) a team that is better than anyone MSU has played so far...
    2. MSU lost to fucking Notre Dame, a team that is no better than Nebraska...
    3. MSU would struggle to beat Nebraska at home or on the road...
     
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    Posted: Oct. 17, 2011 - 3:58 PM ET #32

    Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

    Comparing last years game to this is completely worthless.

    2 words: Russell Wilson

    If you think Cousins is a better passer than Wilson than I can't have a real conversation about this game.

    While its true Wisky has played cupcakes, Sparty hasnt played a physical team on both sides of the ball against a team that can run AND pass and doesnt shoot themselves in the foot. The Badgers destroyed Nebraska, a team thats really close to Sparty imo. The Huskers are at least as good on defense, and Wilson carved them up like a Thanksgiving turkey.


    Damn Train, you stole my thunder again...Russell Wilson is one of the BEST College football players in the past few years. It may not translate to the pro level, but he is one poised qb who does not get rattled. He does it all. I had Michigan St as my big play last week, Wisconsin is legit and they have never had a talent at qb like this...I have Wisconsin playing in the national championship before the season started, I stand by that..

    Also if Michigan St is as undisciplined as they were last week against Michigan they will get taken behind the woodshed. The penalties were fucking terrible. Michigan just shit the bed like I predicted.

    GL dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

    Comparing last years game to this is completely worthless.

    2 words: Russell Wilson

    If you think Cousins is a better passer than Wilson than I can't have a real conversation about this game.

    While its true Wisky has played cupcakes, Sparty hasnt played a physical team on both sides of the ball against a team that can run AND pass and doesnt shoot themselves in the foot. The Badgers destroyed Nebraska, a team thats really close to Sparty imo. The Huskers are at least as good on defense, and Wilson carved them up like a Thanksgiving turkey.


    Damn Train, you stole my thunder again...Russell Wilson is one of the BEST College football players in the past few years. It may not translate to the pro level, but he is one poised qb who does not get rattled. He does it all. I had Michigan St as my big play last week, Wisconsin is legit and they have never had a talent at qb like this...I have Wisconsin playing in the national championship before the season started, I stand by that..

    Also if Michigan St is as undisciplined as they were last week against Michigan they will get taken behind the woodshed. The penalties were fucking terrible. Michigan just shit the bed like I predicted.

    GL dude.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 17, 2011 - 4:04 PM ET #33

    Quote Originally Posted by phark:

    Damn Train, you stole my thunder again...Russell Wilson is one of the BEST College football players in the past few years. It may not translate to the pro level, but he is one poised qb who does not get rattled. He does it all. I had Michigan St as my big play last week, Wisconsin is legit and they have never had a talent at qb like this...I have Wisconsin playing in the national championship before the season started, I stand by that..

    Also if Michigan St is as undisciplined as they were last week against Michigan they will get taken behind the woodshed. The penalties were fucking terrible. Michigan just shit the bed like I predicted.

    GL dude.



    Even if they crush everyone on the road, they will most likely get left out of the NC. Winner of Alabama/LSU will be in the NC and the winner of Oklahoma/Oklahoma State will be in the NC assuming they don't lose ( doubt any of them will lose before they play on Dec 3, in Stillwater).
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    Quote Originally Posted by phark:

    Damn Train, you stole my thunder again...Russell Wilson is one of the BEST College football players in the past few years. It may not translate to the pro level, but he is one poised qb who does not get rattled. He does it all. I had Michigan St as my big play last week, Wisconsin is legit and they have never had a talent at qb like this...I have Wisconsin playing in the national championship before the season started, I stand by that..

    Also if Michigan St is as undisciplined as they were last week against Michigan they will get taken behind the woodshed. The penalties were fucking terrible. Michigan just shit the bed like I predicted.

    GL dude.



    Even if they crush everyone on the road, they will most likely get left out of the NC. Winner of Alabama/LSU will be in the NC and the winner of Oklahoma/Oklahoma State will be in the NC assuming they don't lose ( doubt any of them will lose before they play on Dec 3, in Stillwater).
     
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    Posted: Oct. 17, 2011 - 4:12 PM ET #34

    If Wisky had a Big Ten type QB, then MSU would have a great chance to win this. But the footballs gods dropped a real QB in Wisky's lap and even a Big Ten style coach had to recognize the benefit of having an explosive passing attack along with a crushing ground game... That is something the Big Ten just does not understand, and that's why a Big Ten team, even a good one, is so discounted when it comes to the National Championship game.
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    If Wisky had a Big Ten type QB, then MSU would have a great chance to win this. But the footballs gods dropped a real QB in Wisky's lap and even a Big Ten style coach had to recognize the benefit of having an explosive passing attack along with a crushing ground game... That is something the Big Ten just does not understand, and that's why a Big Ten team, even a good one, is so discounted when it comes to the National Championship game.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by AtlFader:

    If Wisky had a Big Ten type QB, then MSU would have a great chance to win this. But the footballs gods dropped a real QB in Wisky's lap and even a Big Ten style coach had to recognize the benefit of having an explosive passing attack along with a crushing ground game... That is something the Big Ten just does not understand, and that's why a Big Ten team, even a good one, is so discounted when it comes to the National Championship game.




    great post!  i am a perennial Big 10 basher... but i can't wait for bowl season to bet on Wisconsin... this is not a typical Big 10 team... this is a legit NC contender right here, and MSU is in for a rude awakening this weekend!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AtlFader:

    If Wisky had a Big Ten type QB, then MSU would have a great chance to win this. But the footballs gods dropped a real QB in Wisky's lap and even a Big Ten style coach had to recognize the benefit of having an explosive passing attack along with a crushing ground game... That is something the Big Ten just does not understand, and that's why a Big Ten team, even a good one, is so discounted when it comes to the National Championship game.




    great post!  i am a perennial Big 10 basher... but i can't wait for bowl season to bet on Wisconsin... this is not a typical Big 10 team... this is a legit NC contender right here, and MSU is in for a rude awakening this weekend!
     
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    Posted: Oct. 17, 2011 - 5:25 PM ET #36

    Quote Originally Posted by Ice4Blood:


    Wisconsin beat (by 30 points) a team that is better than anyone MSU has played so far...
    1. MSU lost to fucking Notre Dame, a team that is no better than Nebraska...
    2. MSU would struggle to beat Nebraska at home or on the road...


    Ice, you know I love you, but cmon..

    Wisky like most CFB teams,play well better at home.. that Neb game was a great situation for the Badgers- home night game (where Wisky almost never loses).. Now going on road..

    MSU, again, plays much better at home, lost at a desparate 0-2 ND squad (but actually held them 200 yards below ND's current O average)

    I'm just saying.. I'm not on MSU, but to think Wisky's just going to steamroll because they've looked good and have 1 good home night win over Neb is crazy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ice4Blood:


    Wisconsin beat (by 30 points) a team that is better than anyone MSU has played so far...
    1. MSU lost to fucking Notre Dame, a team that is no better than Nebraska...
    2. MSU would struggle to beat Nebraska at home or on the road...


    Ice, you know I love you, but cmon..

    Wisky like most CFB teams,play well better at home.. that Neb game was a great situation for the Badgers- home night game (where Wisky almost never loses).. Now going on road..

    MSU, again, plays much better at home, lost at a desparate 0-2 ND squad (but actually held them 200 yards below ND's current O average)

    I'm just saying.. I'm not on MSU, but to think Wisky's just going to steamroll because they've looked good and have 1 good home night win over Neb is crazy
     
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    Posted: Oct. 17, 2011 - 5:27 PM ET #37

    Lol @ comparing Neb to MSU.
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    Lol @ comparing Neb to MSU.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SatNightFever05:



    I'm just saying.. I'm not on MSU, but to think Wisky's just going to steamroll because they've looked good and have 1 good home night win over Neb is crazy



    you know me well enough to know that statement you just made is incredibly insulting!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SatNightFever05:



    I'm just saying.. I'm not on MSU, but to think Wisky's just going to steamroll because they've looked good and have 1 good home night win over Neb is crazy



    you know me well enough to know that statement you just made is incredibly insulting!
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ice4Blood:




    you know me well enough to know that statement you just made is incredibly insulting!




    What I meant was yes, they've looked real good EVERY week..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ice4Blood:




    you know me well enough to know that statement you just made is incredibly insulting!




    What I meant was yes, they've looked real good EVERY week..
     
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    Posted: Oct. 17, 2011 - 5:42 PM ET #40

    Quote Originally Posted by Laroja:

    Lol @ comparing Neb to MSU.


    You're right. Neutral field I take Nebraska all day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laroja:

    Lol @ comparing Neb to MSU.


    You're right. Neutral field I take Nebraska all day.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 17, 2011 - 5:46 PM ET #41

    IMO this is wasted discussion.

    Locked in Wiscy -7 in a 2 team 6 pt teaser last night during SNF for 1K. Second slot is open. Wisconsin is not losing this game. Teaser bettors need to lock this in before it gets to -10.

    I was not impressed AT ALL by State on Saturday against UM. Russel Wilson will not miss those throws that Shoelace missed over and over again.

    Wisconsin will not turn the ball over like ND did to even keep that game respectable. And Wisconsin is not offensively inept like The Ohio State University is and was in that matchup. There is a reason MSU starts the season off 5-0 and 6-0 only to crumble in the second half of the season...thats all

    Carry on people...there are closer matchups this week then this game.
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    IMO this is wasted discussion.

    Locked in Wiscy -7 in a 2 team 6 pt teaser last night during SNF for 1K. Second slot is open. Wisconsin is not losing this game. Teaser bettors need to lock this in before it gets to -10.

    I was not impressed AT ALL by State on Saturday against UM. Russel Wilson will not miss those throws that Shoelace missed over and over again.

    Wisconsin will not turn the ball over like ND did to even keep that game respectable. And Wisconsin is not offensively inept like The Ohio State University is and was in that matchup. There is a reason MSU starts the season off 5-0 and 6-0 only to crumble in the second half of the season...thats all

    Carry on people...there are closer matchups this week then this game.
     
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    I laugh at the people who consider ND a bad team.... this was a projected potential BCS team preseason and contains alot of athleticism and talent. Only reason they started off 0-2 was because of the gazillion turnovers in the red zone. I wouldn't be shocked to see them run the table including Stanford.

    MSU held ND offense down...but turned the ball over a ton in the game. Also it was a bad spot for MSU.... first road game against a talented home team in desperate need of a win.

    Is Michigan State a top team? No   

    Has Michigan State beaten more talented teams at home/night before? Yes

    The best team doesn't always win folks... crowd noise will be a factor for Wilson... weather could be windy and cold again as well

    Not saying Wisky isn't the play at 6 or 7... just am not quick to say this will be a blowout...I will take 10 or 11

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    I laugh at the people who consider ND a bad team.... this was a projected potential BCS team preseason and contains alot of athleticism and talent. Only reason they started off 0-2 was because of the gazillion turnovers in the red zone. I wouldn't be shocked to see them run the table including Stanford.

    MSU held ND offense down...but turned the ball over a ton in the game. Also it was a bad spot for MSU.... first road game against a talented home team in desperate need of a win.

    Is Michigan State a top team? No   

    Has Michigan State beaten more talented teams at home/night before? Yes

    The best team doesn't always win folks... crowd noise will be a factor for Wilson... weather could be windy and cold again as well

    Not saying Wisky isn't the play at 6 or 7... just am not quick to say this will be a blowout...I will take 10 or 11

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sparty444:

    I laugh at the people who consider ND a bad team.... this was a projected potential BCS team preseason and contains alot of athleticism and talent.




    this sorry-ass program is projected to be a potential BCS team every fucking year, and every fucking year they lay a big fat egg!  i wish they would make a BCS game, because the last couple BCS games they did get into i won a shitload of money betting against them...

    Notre Dame is arguably the most overrated team in any type of sport in the world...
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    Quote Originally Posted by sparty444:

    I laugh at the people who consider ND a bad team.... this was a projected potential BCS team preseason and contains alot of athleticism and talent.




    this sorry-ass program is projected to be a potential BCS team every fucking year, and every fucking year they lay a big fat egg!  i wish they would make a BCS game, because the last couple BCS games they did get into i won a shitload of money betting against them...

    Notre Dame is arguably the most overrated team in any type of sport in the world...
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by gcnmoo:

    wisconsin alum here and I would definitely lean with the spartans in this game.  Michigan st is quietly becoming one of most underrated teams in the country.  Their defense has been just as good as LSU's




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    Quote Originally Posted by gcnmoo:

    wisconsin alum here and I would definitely lean with the spartans in this game.  Michigan st is quietly becoming one of most underrated teams in the country.  Their defense has been just as good as LSU's




     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sparty444:

    I laugh at the people who consider ND a bad team.... this was a projected potential BCS team preseason and contains alot of athleticism and talent. Only reason they started off 0-2 was because of the gazillion turnovers in the red zone. I wouldn't be shocked to see them run the table including Stanford.

    MSU held ND offense down...but turned the ball over a ton in the game. Also it was a bad spot for MSU.... first road game against a talented home team in desperate need of a win.

    Is Michigan State a top team? No   

    Has Michigan State beaten more talented teams at home/night before? Yes

    The best team doesn't always win folks... crowd noise will be a factor for Wilson... weather could be windy and cold again as well

    Not saying Wisky isn't the play at 6 or 7... just am not quick to say this will be a blowout...I will take 10 or 11



    when? Honestly this Wisconsin team looks like one of the best I've seen in recent memory
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    Quote Originally Posted by sparty444:

    I laugh at the people who consider ND a bad team.... this was a projected potential BCS team preseason and contains alot of athleticism and talent. Only reason they started off 0-2 was because of the gazillion turnovers in the red zone. I wouldn't be shocked to see them run the table including Stanford.

    MSU held ND offense down...but turned the ball over a ton in the game. Also it was a bad spot for MSU.... first road game against a talented home team in desperate need of a win.

    Is Michigan State a top team? No   

    Has Michigan State beaten more talented teams at home/night before? Yes

    The best team doesn't always win folks... crowd noise will be a factor for Wilson... weather could be windy and cold again as well

    Not saying Wisky isn't the play at 6 or 7... just am not quick to say this will be a blowout...I will take 10 or 11



    when? Honestly this Wisconsin team looks like one of the best I've seen in recent memory
     
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    Posted: Oct. 17, 2011 - 7:19 PM ET #46

    Quote Originally Posted by Laroja:



    lol. It's called "play to win".


    It's called synopsis. When you're up 28 in the 4th quarter, you can take a knee ever down and still win. That's what SEC teams do. Teams like Stanford and Oregon actually play the game regardless of scoreboard. They don't let teams march down the field and score either.

    Stanford stopped Wash-St late in the 4th quarter on 4 downs at their own 7 yards line, up by 24. Then they scored because they played every down in the most optimal way possible. LSU would have allowed a girl's scout team to march down the endzone and then "rush it up the middle for a 3 and out" to shave 3 minutes off the clock and punt the ball back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laroja:



    lol. It's called "play to win".


    It's called synopsis. When you're up 28 in the 4th quarter, you can take a knee ever down and still win. That's what SEC teams do. Teams like Stanford and Oregon actually play the game regardless of scoreboard. They don't let teams march down the field and score either.

    Stanford stopped Wash-St late in the 4th quarter on 4 downs at their own 7 yards line, up by 24. Then they scored because they played every down in the most optimal way possible. LSU would have allowed a girl's scout team to march down the endzone and then "rush it up the middle for a 3 and out" to shave 3 minutes off the clock and punt the ball back.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 17, 2011 - 7:21 PM ET #47

    Oh and, when Wash-St scored on the following drive, Stanford returned one to the house.

    Oregon stopped Cal 7 times from scoring on a 1st and Goal for a scoreless half. No defense my ass.
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    Oh and, when Wash-St scored on the following drive, Stanford returned one to the house.

    Oregon stopped Cal 7 times from scoring on a 1st and Goal for a scoreless half. No defense my ass.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 17, 2011 - 7:42 PM ET #48

    Quote Originally Posted by Ice4Blood:








    i find it hilarious that so many MSU backers keep using the "Wisconsin hasn't played anyone" argument... considering:

    1. Wisconsin beat (by 30 points) a team that is better than anyone MSU has played so far...
    2. MSU lost to fucking Notre Dame, a team that is no better than Nebraska...
    3. MSU would struggle to beat Nebraska at home or on the road...

     

    this logic worked great for you last week.. who else do you like this week? i need to make some more money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ice4Blood:








    i find it hilarious that so many MSU backers keep using the "Wisconsin hasn't played anyone" argument... considering:

    1. Wisconsin beat (by 30 points) a team that is better than anyone MSU has played so far...
    2. MSU lost to fucking Notre Dame, a team that is no better than Nebraska...
    3. MSU would struggle to beat Nebraska at home or on the road...

     

    this logic worked great for you last week.. who else do you like this week? i need to make some more money.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 17, 2011 - 7:44 PM ET #49

    Quote Originally Posted by GWarner27:



    when? Honestly this Wisconsin team looks like one of the best I've seen in recent memory

    last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GWarner27:



    when? Honestly this Wisconsin team looks like one of the best I've seen in recent memory

    last year.

     
     
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    I think the Badgers cover this won, Really as good as LSU defense??????? we saw what happened when Mich. St. played against a SEC team last year in the Citrus Bowl, they got smoked by Bama 49-7...no way this Defense is remotely close to LSU defense. 

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    I think the Badgers cover this won, Really as good as LSU defense??????? we saw what happened when Mich. St. played against a SEC team last year in the Citrus Bowl, they got smoked by Bama 49-7...no way this Defense is remotely close to LSU defense. 

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