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    Bowl season and thoughts on the playoff selections

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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2017 - 11:07 AM ET #51

    I get . a kick . about . all the bama talk . winning it all
     all we . hear . IF thay bet clemson  thay win it all
    pleace .  keep telling us that .

      can you  guys . tell me last time bama . beat . oklahoma

    most . of you . where not even born then        

     so babe .   baker .  be .   lookin . for u .   lmao
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    I get . a kick . about . all the bama talk . winning it all
     all we . hear . IF thay bet clemson  thay win it all
    pleace .  keep telling us that .

      can you  guys . tell me last time bama . beat . oklahoma

    most . of you . where not even born then        

     so babe .   baker .  be .   lookin . for u .   lmao
     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2017 - 11:10 AM ET #52

    Boom_boom .   you hit nail on the head 

      bama . one an . done
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    Boom_boom .   you hit nail on the head 

      bama . one an . done
     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2017 - 11:47 AM ET #53

    I hoped we would see this thread. Thanks for the entertainment BOOM 

    You really know how to get them riled up 
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    I hoped we would see this thread. Thanks for the entertainment BOOM 

    You really know how to get them riled up 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2017 - 2:46 PM ET #54

    Alabama is one of the 4 best teams in the country . This is non debatable its a fact. Is there any team ( take away the Auburn GAME ) that was as consistent all four quarters all year long? Also look at the record of opponents the week after they play Alabama. The beat you up. I honestly think the better QB is on the bench and has been all year. Now take in they are now favored to win the entire thing by Vegas. I know x and o's pretty well and offense , defense, special teams this is easily one of the 4 best teams . Would Alabama ever loose by 30 to any non ranked team yet alone one that lost 5 games ? 

    As much as I may disagree on this with Boom and trust me I do I could debate this all day I want everyone to give him credit. years back I remember reading one of his post . he was arguing ( shocker) about a quarterback from Houston named Case Keenum. He was just coming out of college and Boom took the position that if given the chance he would thrive in the NFL. I don't know why but when I saw him doing well I thought of that so kudos to you .. 
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    Alabama is one of the 4 best teams in the country . This is non debatable its a fact. Is there any team ( take away the Auburn GAME ) that was as consistent all four quarters all year long? Also look at the record of opponents the week after they play Alabama. The beat you up. I honestly think the better QB is on the bench and has been all year. Now take in they are now favored to win the entire thing by Vegas. I know x and o's pretty well and offense , defense, special teams this is easily one of the 4 best teams . Would Alabama ever loose by 30 to any non ranked team yet alone one that lost 5 games ? 

    As much as I may disagree on this with Boom and trust me I do I could debate this all day I want everyone to give him credit. years back I remember reading one of his post . he was arguing ( shocker) about a quarterback from Houston named Case Keenum. He was just coming out of college and Boom took the position that if given the chance he would thrive in the NFL. I don't know why but when I saw him doing well I thought of that so kudos to you .. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2017 - 3:55 PM ET #55

    The Clemson blowout vs Miami was fools gold.  It should have been a lot closer than the final score indicated. Miami shot themselves in the foot....They had a ton of dropped passes in the 1st half. They had 2 turnovers where the ball goes off of the WR's hands for an INT and the Wr's fumbles after the catch in the 2nd half..  Clemson get stripped for a fumble and they recover their own the ball 20 yards down field.  Lot of thing went right and were fortunate.   That won't happen vs Bama. Bryant is no Deshaun Watson...  There is a reason why Bams is favored. 
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    The Clemson blowout vs Miami was fools gold.  It should have been a lot closer than the final score indicated. Miami shot themselves in the foot....They had a ton of dropped passes in the 1st half. They had 2 turnovers where the ball goes off of the WR's hands for an INT and the Wr's fumbles after the catch in the 2nd half..  Clemson get stripped for a fumble and they recover their own the ball 20 yards down field.  Lot of thing went right and were fortunate.   That won't happen vs Bama. Bryant is no Deshaun Watson...  There is a reason why Bams is favored. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2017 - 4:42 PM ET #56

    Winning your conference should be a requirement.  


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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2017 - 4:46 PM ET #57

    Quote Originally Posted by docpj72:

    Boom-thanks again for posting-I totally agree that the line is based on biased perception-it should be Clemson -2.5 but it never will be! After watching the Clemson/Auburn game in September, I realized the Clemson D was even better this year and it will bode well and force Hurts to go downfield where he is less effective....I agree-though they are obviously a elite program and defending champions. for some reason "the experts" do not consider them an Alabama which is fine for betting!
    should be a great game....I look forward to your upcoming bowl posts


    Thank you.....

    Bowl season is the best!
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    Quote Originally Posted by docpj72:

    Boom-thanks again for posting-I totally agree that the line is based on biased perception-it should be Clemson -2.5 but it never will be! After watching the Clemson/Auburn game in September, I realized the Clemson D was even better this year and it will bode well and force Hurts to go downfield where he is less effective....I agree-though they are obviously a elite program and defending champions. for some reason "the experts" do not consider them an Alabama which is fine for betting!
    should be a great game....I look forward to your upcoming bowl posts


    Thank you.....

    Bowl season is the best!
     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2017 - 4:49 PM ET #58

    Quote Originally Posted by THE-KID:

    Boom.

    Glad to see you back on for bowls.
    I gotta say, I disagree with you on Alabama. 

    If the CFP were just going to select the 4 most deserving teams, then their one and only poll would be the one we saw Sunday. 
    Unlike last year, the poll should use the previous week's poll as a starting point for the next poll. 
    I think they did a better job of that this year.

    NeXt to last CFP poll(next game result)(reasonable final ranking):

    1.Clemson(Pounded Miami)(1)
    2. Auburn(lost badly to UGA)(6-8)
    3. Oklahoma(Pounded TCU)(2)
    4.Wisconsin(lost to OSU)(6-9)
    5. Alabama (dnp)(4-5)
    6. UGA(Pounded Auburn)(2-3)
    7. Miami(lost badly to Clemson)(10+)
    8.Ohio St.(beat Wisconsin)(4-5)

    Clemson and Oklahoma took care of business.
    UGA stepped up and beat the #2 team, so they are in.

    That leaves one spot. The choice is move Ohio St up from 8 to 4, or move Alabama up from 5 to 4. 

    For me, it's all about 2 losses, on horrifically, for OSU. 
    Alabama didn't get to play UGA due to the idiotic divisions within conferences. 

    Being a Clemson fan, you would have to agree that the #2 team from the ACC Atlantic division is almost always stronger than the winner of the Coastal division.

    Regardless of what Auburn and USC fans think, it really came down to Alabama or OSU. 
    As much as everyone has blasted Alabama's weak schedule, OSU didn't exactly play a murders row of opponents.

    They let Oklahoma spank them by 15 in their building.
    They lost by 31 at Iowa St! 

    Alabama lost at Auburn, but played them better than UGA did the first time.

    As we saw with Clemson, the CFP is more lenient on close road losses. However, you can't lose at home by 15 and get steam rolled by Iowa in the same season, and still expect to be considered a top 4 team. 

    Most folks, including Vegas knew Wisky was overrated. Therefore, a close win wasn't going to result in a 4 spot jump. 

    Can someone please show me where the CFP said winners of power 5 conferences are in? Everyone says it like it was listed in the bylaws. I don't recall ever reading that. 

    Regardless, this is still soooo much better than the BCS.

    Did previous performances by OSU factor into the discussion? Wouldn't be hard to believe, but that won't ever be said. 

    Clemson 24
    Alabama 21

    UGA 34
    OKL 31

    Clemson 27
    UGA 24

    Why? Because I'm biased! 

    Good luck on your bets!





    I just feel like teams should earn there place in the playoff.... IMO Bama didn't do that... it was granted.


    What is the one thing SEC homers like to hang their hats on????

    Strength of schedule.....

    And Bama played a horrible schedule...

    Whats there best win? LSU..... the team beat by Troy...or Miss st.... the team for some reason the media is in love with and accomplished absolutely nothing.... They didn't even a OOC power 5 opponent.

    Now none of that means Alabama isn't a good team.... I'm just pointing out the facts.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by THE-KID:

    Boom.

    Glad to see you back on for bowls.
    I gotta say, I disagree with you on Alabama. 

    If the CFP were just going to select the 4 most deserving teams, then their one and only poll would be the one we saw Sunday. 
    Unlike last year, the poll should use the previous week's poll as a starting point for the next poll. 
    I think they did a better job of that this year.

    NeXt to last CFP poll(next game result)(reasonable final ranking):

    1.Clemson(Pounded Miami)(1)
    2. Auburn(lost badly to UGA)(6-8)
    3. Oklahoma(Pounded TCU)(2)
    4.Wisconsin(lost to OSU)(6-9)
    5. Alabama (dnp)(4-5)
    6. UGA(Pounded Auburn)(2-3)
    7. Miami(lost badly to Clemson)(10+)
    8.Ohio St.(beat Wisconsin)(4-5)

    Clemson and Oklahoma took care of business.
    UGA stepped up and beat the #2 team, so they are in.

    That leaves one spot. The choice is move Ohio St up from 8 to 4, or move Alabama up from 5 to 4. 

    For me, it's all about 2 losses, on horrifically, for OSU. 
    Alabama didn't get to play UGA due to the idiotic divisions within conferences. 

    Being a Clemson fan, you would have to agree that the #2 team from the ACC Atlantic division is almost always stronger than the winner of the Coastal division.

    Regardless of what Auburn and USC fans think, it really came down to Alabama or OSU. 
    As much as everyone has blasted Alabama's weak schedule, OSU didn't exactly play a murders row of opponents.

    They let Oklahoma spank them by 15 in their building.
    They lost by 31 at Iowa St! 

    Alabama lost at Auburn, but played them better than UGA did the first time.

    As we saw with Clemson, the CFP is more lenient on close road losses. However, you can't lose at home by 15 and get steam rolled by Iowa in the same season, and still expect to be considered a top 4 team. 

    Most folks, including Vegas knew Wisky was overrated. Therefore, a close win wasn't going to result in a 4 spot jump. 

    Can someone please show me where the CFP said winners of power 5 conferences are in? Everyone says it like it was listed in the bylaws. I don't recall ever reading that. 

    Regardless, this is still soooo much better than the BCS.

    Did previous performances by OSU factor into the discussion? Wouldn't be hard to believe, but that won't ever be said. 

    Clemson 24
    Alabama 21

    UGA 34
    OKL 31

    Clemson 27
    UGA 24

    Why? Because I'm biased! 

    Good luck on your bets!





    I just feel like teams should earn there place in the playoff.... IMO Bama didn't do that... it was granted.


    What is the one thing SEC homers like to hang their hats on????

    Strength of schedule.....

    And Bama played a horrible schedule...

    Whats there best win? LSU..... the team beat by Troy...or Miss st.... the team for some reason the media is in love with and accomplished absolutely nothing.... They didn't even a OOC power 5 opponent.

    Now none of that means Alabama isn't a good team.... I'm just pointing out the facts.  
     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2017 - 4:51 PM ET #59

    Quote Originally Posted by PerfectStorm:

    Boom. 
    1st good to see you back. Been a big fan of your for a long time. You and wahoo. Are the my 1st choice to read when ever had a chance to get on line. Learn so much from you guys. Anyway I use to live in Spartanburg not to fat from Clemson, just move away tho. I also know Clemson a little bit. You are right. We have the best D. Especially on big game, when we beat the crap out of any top 10 team in the nation.I don’t think many people agree to that. 2nd .. they had ALA in the playoffs is very simple but no one will see, ITS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY. To Vegas it will draw a lot more money if ALA are in. 3rd , we were all dogs in dose 5 games because no one believes we can win, PUBLIC will always think SEC.. OKL.. OHO ST.. ALA.. all big boys and we’re not . Boys let me tell you, soon they will find out who’s the BIG boys are. 
    Anyway looking forward to see your play and analysis on bowls game


    Thanks



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    Boom. 
    1st good to see you back. Been a big fan of your for a long time. You and wahoo. Are the my 1st choice to read when ever had a chance to get on line. Learn so much from you guys. Anyway I use to live in Spartanburg not to fat from Clemson, just move away tho. I also know Clemson a little bit. You are right. We have the best D. Especially on big game, when we beat the crap out of any top 10 team in the nation.I don’t think many people agree to that. 2nd .. they had ALA in the playoffs is very simple but no one will see, ITS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY. To Vegas it will draw a lot more money if ALA are in. 3rd , we were all dogs in dose 5 games because no one believes we can win, PUBLIC will always think SEC.. OKL.. OHO ST.. ALA.. all big boys and we’re not . Boys let me tell you, soon they will find out who’s the BIG boys are. 
    Anyway looking forward to see your play and analysis on bowls game


    Thanks



     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2017 - 4:52 PM ET #60

    Quote Originally Posted by shiek:

    Boom

    Great insight as always.  From my perspective, only 3 teams deserved in as neither Alabama nor OSU deserved in. If I was on committee probably would have taken CFU just to make point.   Best answer would be to reduce power 5 to 4 and allow those conferences to pick rep.    Good luck w bowl picks 


    Hello Shiek...

    Could agree with you on that.. Both Bama and OSU both not being deserving.
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    Boom

    Great insight as always.  From my perspective, only 3 teams deserved in as neither Alabama nor OSU deserved in. If I was on committee probably would have taken CFU just to make point.   Best answer would be to reduce power 5 to 4 and allow those conferences to pick rep.    Good luck w bowl picks 


    Hello Shiek...

    Could agree with you on that.. Both Bama and OSU both not being deserving.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2017 - 4:54 PM ET #61

    Quote Originally Posted by charles1911:

    Alabama is one of the 4 best teams in the country . This is non debatable its a fact. Is there any team ( take away the Auburn GAME ) that was as consistent all four quarters all year long? Also look at the record of opponents the week after they play Alabama. The beat you up. I honestly think the better QB is on the bench and has been all year. Now take in they are now favored to win the entire thing by Vegas. I know x and o's pretty well and offense , defense, special teams this is easily one of the 4 best teams . Would Alabama ever loose by 30 to any non ranked team yet alone one that lost 5 games ? 

    As much as I may disagree on this with Boom and trust me I do I could debate this all day I want everyone to give him credit. years back I remember reading one of his post . he was arguing ( shocker) about a quarterback from Houston named Case Keenum. He was just coming out of college and Boom took the position that if given the chance he would thrive in the NFL. I don't know why but when I saw him doing well I thought of that so kudos to you .. 



    Proved by what? What ESPN told you? There among the 4 because of what they accomplished? No....


    Forgot all about that.... Yeah...
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    Alabama is one of the 4 best teams in the country . This is non debatable its a fact. Is there any team ( take away the Auburn GAME ) that was as consistent all four quarters all year long? Also look at the record of opponents the week after they play Alabama. The beat you up. I honestly think the better QB is on the bench and has been all year. Now take in they are now favored to win the entire thing by Vegas. I know x and o's pretty well and offense , defense, special teams this is easily one of the 4 best teams . Would Alabama ever loose by 30 to any non ranked team yet alone one that lost 5 games ? 

    As much as I may disagree on this with Boom and trust me I do I could debate this all day I want everyone to give him credit. years back I remember reading one of his post . he was arguing ( shocker) about a quarterback from Houston named Case Keenum. He was just coming out of college and Boom took the position that if given the chance he would thrive in the NFL. I don't know why but when I saw him doing well I thought of that so kudos to you .. 



    Proved by what? What ESPN told you? There among the 4 because of what they accomplished? No....


    Forgot all about that.... Yeah...
     
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    Alabama was a clear choice over Ohio State.  It's laughable to hear the arguement that OSU's conference wins were so much better than Alabama's to excuse losing by 15 at home and 31 on the road to IOWA.  The Big 10 was the only conference to not have an out of conference top 25 win.  The Big 10 lost by a combined score of 69-0 in their last 2 playoff games.  The Big 10 went 3-7 last year in bowls, 0-3 in games decided by 14 or more points. 

    The Big 10 has won 42% of their bowl games the last 5 years, 28% winning percentage in bowls games decided by 14 or more.

    The Big 10 has won 39% of their bowl games the last 10 years, 23% winning percentage in bowl games decided by 14 or more.

    The SEC has won 64% of their bowl games the last 5 years, 73% winning percentage in bowl games decided by 14 or more.

    The SEC has won 64% of their bowl games the last 10 years, 72% winning percentage in bowl games decided by 14 or more.

    Those numbers are more than just a small trend, it's reality. You can tell me previous years shouldn't matter, but what else do we have to go by?  Schedules are made years in advance.  Most teams will play 1 big out of conference game in September and then another in a bowl game.  The Big 10 has been over rated for a decade.  They are basically a 1 team conference (Ohio State).  It's just crazy for me to hear that OSU deserved that 4th spot because of all their great conference wins.  I agree that Bama's schedule wasn't great, but to me that FSU win was a really good win.  There just aren't enough games played in college football to ever have a clear picture at the end of the regular season.  A lot of years 1 team or conference is going to get the benefit of the doubt over another.  It's easy for me to give bama(sec) the benefit of the doubt over osu(big 10).

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    Alabama was a clear choice over Ohio State.  It's laughable to hear the arguement that OSU's conference wins were so much better than Alabama's to excuse losing by 15 at home and 31 on the road to IOWA.  The Big 10 was the only conference to not have an out of conference top 25 win.  The Big 10 lost by a combined score of 69-0 in their last 2 playoff games.  The Big 10 went 3-7 last year in bowls, 0-3 in games decided by 14 or more points. 

    The Big 10 has won 42% of their bowl games the last 5 years, 28% winning percentage in bowls games decided by 14 or more.

    The Big 10 has won 39% of their bowl games the last 10 years, 23% winning percentage in bowl games decided by 14 or more.

    The SEC has won 64% of their bowl games the last 5 years, 73% winning percentage in bowl games decided by 14 or more.

    The SEC has won 64% of their bowl games the last 10 years, 72% winning percentage in bowl games decided by 14 or more.

    Those numbers are more than just a small trend, it's reality. You can tell me previous years shouldn't matter, but what else do we have to go by?  Schedules are made years in advance.  Most teams will play 1 big out of conference game in September and then another in a bowl game.  The Big 10 has been over rated for a decade.  They are basically a 1 team conference (Ohio State).  It's just crazy for me to hear that OSU deserved that 4th spot because of all their great conference wins.  I agree that Bama's schedule wasn't great, but to me that FSU win was a really good win.  There just aren't enough games played in college football to ever have a clear picture at the end of the regular season.  A lot of years 1 team or conference is going to get the benefit of the doubt over another.  It's easy for me to give bama(sec) the benefit of the doubt over osu(big 10).

     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2017 - 6:57 PM ET #63

    Quote Originally Posted by Boom_Boom:




    Proved by what? What ESPN told you? There among the 4 because of what they accomplished? No....


    Forgot all about that.... Yeah...

    Dude in all seriousness you act like you are the only guy who has ever watched football come on man .. I played it m coached it , did sports radio for a while.. Yet I also know there are a lot of people who know the game just as good as I do. Want to see a pic of my basement ? I have 5 large screen tv; s I watch over 30 games on any given Saturday . I live the game just like you do.  So please give respect if you want respect .  You expect people to believe you because you talk over them ? You need to realize that you are not the smartest guy in the world or you wouldn't be on covers talking you would be getting paid for your opinion.. I do not like trying too put someone down and that was not my intention. But I cant believe you think your opinion is the only right one 
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    Proved by what? What ESPN told you? There among the 4 because of what they accomplished? No....


    Forgot all about that.... Yeah...

    Dude in all seriousness you act like you are the only guy who has ever watched football come on man .. I played it m coached it , did sports radio for a while.. Yet I also know there are a lot of people who know the game just as good as I do. Want to see a pic of my basement ? I have 5 large screen tv; s I watch over 30 games on any given Saturday . I live the game just like you do.  So please give respect if you want respect .  You expect people to believe you because you talk over them ? You need to realize that you are not the smartest guy in the world or you wouldn't be on covers talking you would be getting paid for your opinion.. I do not like trying too put someone down and that was not my intention. But I cant believe you think your opinion is the only right one 
     
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    But I cant believe you think your opinion is the only right one 

    Everyone thinks their opinion is the right one, that's what makes it their opinion. 

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    But I cant believe you think your opinion is the only right one 

    Everyone thinks their opinion is the right one, that's what makes it their opinion. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boom_Boom:

     Hello all....

     I haven't posted since before the Louisville Clemson game....Just haven't cared to post much anymore honestly. I told you all exactly how that game would go down and im here to talk about a few things now since the season is over.

    Last season when the season was over I was VERY outspoken on why I thought the committee made a huge injustice putting Ohio st in over Penn st. At the time I was called crazy and how Ohio st was clearly the better team by MANY on here...I thought the committee learned from their mistakes.... I really did. Let's talk a little about this selection shall we.....


    Before the season started I created a thread on here stating the facts about how I thought Clemson and Alabama were just heads and shoulders above the rest of college football....and I still stand behind that statement. Many on here said I was crazy for thinking Clemson would be back and dominate like they have after losing sooooo many players.... But I understand why so many would think that....just like I have come to understand why Vegas was built... ( you following me )...

    What im about to say is not a smack in the face to Alabama.... it's really not, it's about what I believe the truth is.

    Alabama DID NOT deserve the 4th spot of the playoffs.... they simply didn't. Do I think they're among the 4 best teams in the country? Maybe... But did the committee get it right??? Absolutely not.  

    For years you all have heard my complaints about ESPN and how I think they control sports...I think they brainwash most of you. They repeat the same thing over and over and over and over....and then most of you will just believe it. We have to STOP letting ESPN control things, honestly.... I'm glad they're crumbling.


    The biggest lie about the college football playoffs is the myth called " 4 best vs 4 most deserving ".... This is not even up for debate with me.... It should always be about the 4 most deserving.... Every time. Let me explain why............... for every 100 people in this forum what will you have 100% of the time? A different opinion. I don't care who you are....we will all disagree on who we " think " should be the top 4....and that's where this whole mess has started IMO. ESPN and alot of the talking heads say this one thing over and over.... I think Alabama is better. I think. I think Alabama is better.. I think.... you keep hearing it over and over.

    I'm not here to debate whether Alabama is or isn't better than Ohio st. We will never know.... they didn't play each other, so we will never know the truth. I can't tell you who's better......Now if the game is played and one beats the other then we would know. But this notion of " best vs deserving " is the worst debate.

    Let me use this example.... or two examples. If we went by that notion then Alabama would be exempt from any type of scrutiny. They are favored in EVERY game they play....They're even favored against Clemson right now. They're favored because that's what " we/vegas " say they should be.... We say that ( us people )...DID you know that Clemson has now been the dog every playoff game they have ever played in??? Did you know that? Why is that? Cause that was our perception..... we have this problem with perception in this country. Clemson's 5 playoff games have been like this:

    2015 Clemson vs Oklahoma -4.5
    2015 Clemson vs Bama -6.5
    2016 Clemson vs Ohio st -4.5
    2016 Clemson vs Bama -7
    2017 Clemson vs Bama -1.5


    Why is that you think? Cause so many " experts "...." ESPN propaganda experts " anoint teams by what???? By what you think?

    By what they THINK to be true...not based on what this team has proved or deserved....but by what they THINK.... It drives one of my favorite sayings of all time.....perception is reality. It doesn't have to be true.... You just have to make the sheep believe it. 

    So getting back to point here...... The committee is granting teams by who they believe are the " best "....and that wrong.


    Another analogy..... a little league basketball tournament takes place... The best overall #1 seed goes down  early in the tournament... The team that beat them played wonderful, could they beat that #1 team again if they tried 3 more times? Maybe not..... But then the tournament director comes in and says guys.... we know you " EARNED it on the floor ".... But all of our members really believe that this #1 team is better..... we just believe there better... Why? you say??? We just believe that.

    Alabama did not EARN anything..... not this season they didn't... they sat at home Saturday and watched everybody else play and did nothing to EARN it..... Again... im not telling you Ohio st is better then Bama.... im not. I'm just stating the facts that this committee/ESPN/TALKING heads keeps influencing sports.

    Alabama is a tremendous program/dynasty...whatever.... but this time, they didn't deserve it. Who did??? Im not sure.... but it wasn't them.



    Keep this thought in mind when it comes to all phases of life....


    It's not about what you think should happen or what you think is owed to you that will make you successful....it will ALWAYS be about what you did to earn it.           



    Haven't posted any plays this season.... Nor did I during the regular season last season as well... But I did post a play on every bowl game last year and racked up.... I'll do the same this year



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    Quote Originally Posted by Boom_Boom:

     Hello all....

     I haven't posted since before the Louisville Clemson game....Just haven't cared to post much anymore honestly. I told you all exactly how that game would go down and im here to talk about a few things now since the season is over.

    Last season when the season was over I was VERY outspoken on why I thought the committee made a huge injustice putting Ohio st in over Penn st. At the time I was called crazy and how Ohio st was clearly the better team by MANY on here...I thought the committee learned from their mistakes.... I really did. Let's talk a little about this selection shall we.....


    Before the season started I created a thread on here stating the facts about how I thought Clemson and Alabama were just heads and shoulders above the rest of college football....and I still stand behind that statement. Many on here said I was crazy for thinking Clemson would be back and dominate like they have after losing sooooo many players.... But I understand why so many would think that....just like I have come to understand why Vegas was built... ( you following me )...

    What im about to say is not a smack in the face to Alabama.... it's really not, it's about what I believe the truth is.

    Alabama DID NOT deserve the 4th spot of the playoffs.... they simply didn't. Do I think they're among the 4 best teams in the country? Maybe... But did the committee get it right??? Absolutely not.  

    For years you all have heard my complaints about ESPN and how I think they control sports...I think they brainwash most of you. They repeat the same thing over and over and over and over....and then most of you will just believe it. We have to STOP letting ESPN control things, honestly.... I'm glad they're crumbling.


    The biggest lie about the college football playoffs is the myth called " 4 best vs 4 most deserving ".... This is not even up for debate with me.... It should always be about the 4 most deserving.... Every time. Let me explain why............... for every 100 people in this forum what will you have 100% of the time? A different opinion. I don't care who you are....we will all disagree on who we " think " should be the top 4....and that's where this whole mess has started IMO. ESPN and alot of the talking heads say this one thing over and over.... I think Alabama is better. I think. I think Alabama is better.. I think.... you keep hearing it over and over.

    I'm not here to debate whether Alabama is or isn't better than Ohio st. We will never know.... they didn't play each other, so we will never know the truth. I can't tell you who's better......Now if the game is played and one beats the other then we would know. But this notion of " best vs deserving " is the worst debate.

    Let me use this example.... or two examples. If we went by that notion then Alabama would be exempt from any type of scrutiny. They are favored in EVERY game they play....They're even favored against Clemson right now. They're favored because that's what " we/vegas " say they should be.... We say that ( us people )...DID you know that Clemson has now been the dog every playoff game they have ever played in??? Did you know that? Why is that? Cause that was our perception..... we have this problem with perception in this country. Clemson's 5 playoff games have been like this:

    2015 Clemson vs Oklahoma -4.5
    2015 Clemson vs Bama -6.5
    2016 Clemson vs Ohio st -4.5
    2016 Clemson vs Bama -7
    2017 Clemson vs Bama -1.5


    Why is that you think? Cause so many " experts "...." ESPN propaganda experts " anoint teams by what???? By what you think?

    By what they THINK to be true...not based on what this team has proved or deserved....but by what they THINK.... It drives one of my favorite sayings of all time.....perception is reality. It doesn't have to be true.... You just have to make the sheep believe it. 

    So getting back to point here...... The committee is granting teams by who they believe are the " best "....and that wrong.


    Another analogy..... a little league basketball tournament takes place... The best overall #1 seed goes down  early in the tournament... The team that beat them played wonderful, could they beat that #1 team again if they tried 3 more times? Maybe not..... But then the tournament director comes in and says guys.... we know you " EARNED it on the floor ".... But all of our members really believe that this #1 team is better..... we just believe there better... Why? you say??? We just believe that.

    Alabama did not EARN anything..... not this season they didn't... they sat at home Saturday and watched everybody else play and did nothing to EARN it..... Again... im not telling you Ohio st is better then Bama.... im not. I'm just stating the facts that this committee/ESPN/TALKING heads keeps influencing sports.

    Alabama is a tremendous program/dynasty...whatever.... but this time, they didn't deserve it. Who did??? Im not sure.... but it wasn't them.



    Keep this thought in mind when it comes to all phases of life....


    It's not about what you think should happen or what you think is owed to you that will make you successful....it will ALWAYS be about what you did to earn it.           



    Haven't posted any plays this season.... Nor did I during the regular season last season as well... But I did post a play on every bowl game last year and racked up.... I'll do the same this year



    GL men


     
     
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    You are a great capper and have tremendous insight to college football, however, your rant on Alabama not being the 4th best team in the country lacks credibility without you telling who you "think" is the 4th best team.  Just to say "anybody but Alabama" is ridiculous.  If Alabama is not the 4th best team then who is?
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    You are a great capper and have tremendous insight to college football, however, your rant on Alabama not being the 4th best team in the country lacks credibility without you telling who you "think" is the 4th best team.  Just to say "anybody but Alabama" is ridiculous.  If Alabama is not the 4th best team then who is?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by davemsh:

    The Clemson blowout vs Miami was fools gold.  It should have been a lot closer than the final score indicated. Miami shot themselves in the foot....They had a ton of dropped passes in the 1st half. They had 2 turnovers where the ball goes off of the WR's hands for an INT and the Wr's fumbles after the catch in the 2nd half..  Clemson get stripped for a fumble and they recover their own the ball 20 yards down field.  Lot of thing went right and were fortunate.   That won't happen vs Bama. Bryant is no Deshaun Watson...  There is a reason why Bams is favored. 

    Like last year??? Sure......

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    The Clemson blowout vs Miami was fools gold.  It should have been a lot closer than the final score indicated. Miami shot themselves in the foot....They had a ton of dropped passes in the 1st half. They had 2 turnovers where the ball goes off of the WR's hands for an INT and the Wr's fumbles after the catch in the 2nd half..  Clemson get stripped for a fumble and they recover their own the ball 20 yards down field.  Lot of thing went right and were fortunate.   That won't happen vs Bama. Bryant is no Deshaun Watson...  There is a reason why Bams is favored. 

    Like last year??? Sure......

    Some people never learn.
     
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    we all have our opinions and that is what makes this sport watchable

    I think the idea is to get the 4 best teams in the playoff the best you can

    I really believe Auburn is one of the 4 best but they have 3 losses and lost their last game badly so I can see why they aren't in

    take Auburn out and you have to put

    Clem, OU, UGA, Bama

    Ohio St couldn't beat any of those 4, OU smashed them already, Clem dismantled them in the playoff last year, Iowa beat them by 175 points, I don't see the argument for Ohio St personally

    who cares if  you win the Big10, those teams suck this year

    USC won the pac12 and nobody is arguing for them, how is their schedule not better than Ohio St? or at least as good? 

    no way USC or Ohio ST is better than Bama so put Bama in and lets see who wins

    Clemson can stop the Bama storyline fast, they have the chance, lets see if they can do it 

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    we all have our opinions and that is what makes this sport watchable

    I think the idea is to get the 4 best teams in the playoff the best you can

    I really believe Auburn is one of the 4 best but they have 3 losses and lost their last game badly so I can see why they aren't in

    take Auburn out and you have to put

    Clem, OU, UGA, Bama

    Ohio St couldn't beat any of those 4, OU smashed them already, Clem dismantled them in the playoff last year, Iowa beat them by 175 points, I don't see the argument for Ohio St personally

    who cares if  you win the Big10, those teams suck this year

    USC won the pac12 and nobody is arguing for them, how is their schedule not better than Ohio St? or at least as good? 

    no way USC or Ohio ST is better than Bama so put Bama in and lets see who wins

    Clemson can stop the Bama storyline fast, they have the chance, lets see if they can do it 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by WahooS:

    we all have our opinions and that is what makes this sport watchable

    I think the idea is to get the 4 best teams in the playoff the best you can

    I really believe Auburn is one of the 4 best but they have 3 losses and lost their last game badly so I can see why they aren't in

    take Auburn out and you have to put

    Clem, OU, UGA, Bama

    Ohio St couldn't beat any of those 4, OU smashed them already, Clem dismantled them in the playoff last year, Iowa beat them by 175 points, I don't see the argument for Ohio St personally

    who cares if  you win the Big10, those teams suck this year

    USC won the pac12 and nobody is arguing for them, how is their schedule not better than Ohio St? or at least as good? 

    no way USC or Ohio ST is better than Bama so put Bama in and lets see who wins

    Clemson can stop the Bama storyline fast, they have the chance, lets see if they can do it 


    Nicely stated.  I agree 100% with your top 5 teams.  
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    we all have our opinions and that is what makes this sport watchable

    I think the idea is to get the 4 best teams in the playoff the best you can

    I really believe Auburn is one of the 4 best but they have 3 losses and lost their last game badly so I can see why they aren't in

    take Auburn out and you have to put

    Clem, OU, UGA, Bama

    Ohio St couldn't beat any of those 4, OU smashed them already, Clem dismantled them in the playoff last year, Iowa beat them by 175 points, I don't see the argument for Ohio St personally

    who cares if  you win the Big10, those teams suck this year

    USC won the pac12 and nobody is arguing for them, how is their schedule not better than Ohio St? or at least as good? 

    no way USC or Ohio ST is better than Bama so put Bama in and lets see who wins

    Clemson can stop the Bama storyline fast, they have the chance, lets see if they can do it 


    Nicely stated.  I agree 100% with your top 5 teams.  
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by WahooS:

    we all have our opinions and that is what makes this sport watchable

    I think the idea is to get the 4 best teams in the playoff the best you can

    I really believe Auburn is one of the 4 best but they have 3 losses and lost their last game badly so I can see why they aren't in

    take Auburn out and you have to put

    Clem, OU, UGA, Bama

    Ohio St couldn't beat any of those 4, OU smashed them already, Clem dismantled them in the playoff last year, Iowa beat them by 175 points, I don't see the argument for Ohio St personally

    who cares if  you win the Big10, those teams suck this year

    USC won the pac12 and nobody is arguing for them, how is their schedule not better than Ohio St? or at least as good? 

    no way USC or Ohio ST is better than Bama so put Bama in and lets see who wins

    Clemson can stop the Bama storyline fast, they have the chance, lets see if they can do it 


    The most sensible post here. Thanks Wahoo.

    Need to look at the BIG picture. Michigan State loses 38-0 and then last year Ohio State loses 31-0. Ohio State gets in last year because they were considered "better" than 2-loss Penn State even though they lost to Penn State. No way in hell OSU gets in this year unless a total domination of Wisconsin, then .......maybe.

    If Wisconsin wins BIG10 undefeated they're in even if perceived undeserving. They would have been undefeated against FBS teams.
     
    Now if last years Clemson/Ohio State was a close game that would change the perception for this year. But it wasn't. Ohio State had a hill to climb after that lose and didn't get there.

    Alabama is in and it does make me sick that they play Mercer in November and still make the playoffs. Nothing more than rewarding bad behavior with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WahooS:

    we all have our opinions and that is what makes this sport watchable

    I think the idea is to get the 4 best teams in the playoff the best you can

    I really believe Auburn is one of the 4 best but they have 3 losses and lost their last game badly so I can see why they aren't in

    take Auburn out and you have to put

    Clem, OU, UGA, Bama

    Ohio St couldn't beat any of those 4, OU smashed them already, Clem dismantled them in the playoff last year, Iowa beat them by 175 points, I don't see the argument for Ohio St personally

    who cares if  you win the Big10, those teams suck this year

    USC won the pac12 and nobody is arguing for them, how is their schedule not better than Ohio St? or at least as good? 

    no way USC or Ohio ST is better than Bama so put Bama in and lets see who wins

    Clemson can stop the Bama storyline fast, they have the chance, lets see if they can do it 


    The most sensible post here. Thanks Wahoo.

    Need to look at the BIG picture. Michigan State loses 38-0 and then last year Ohio State loses 31-0. Ohio State gets in last year because they were considered "better" than 2-loss Penn State even though they lost to Penn State. No way in hell OSU gets in this year unless a total domination of Wisconsin, then .......maybe.

    If Wisconsin wins BIG10 undefeated they're in even if perceived undeserving. They would have been undefeated against FBS teams.
     
    Now if last years Clemson/Ohio State was a close game that would change the perception for this year. But it wasn't. Ohio State had a hill to climb after that lose and didn't get there.

    Alabama is in and it does make me sick that they play Mercer in November and still make the playoffs. Nothing more than rewarding bad behavior with that.

     
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    Hi boom, covers website is vert difficult to use , their search doesnt work, so its hard to find you here, have you ever thought about posting on twitter?, Thks for all your work   Pete

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    Hi boom, covers website is vert difficult to use , their search doesnt work, so its hard to find you here, have you ever thought about posting on twitter?, Thks for all your work   Pete

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by charles1911:

    Alabama is one of the 4 best teams in the country . This is non debatable its a fact. Is there any team ( take away the Auburn GAME ) that was as consistent all four quarters all year long? Also look at the record of opponents the week after they play Alabama. The beat you up. I honestly think the better QB is on the bench and has been all year. Now take in they are now favored to win the entire thing by Vegas. I know x and o's pretty well and offense , defense, special teams this is easily one of the 4 best teams . Would Alabama ever loose by 30 to any non ranked team yet alone one that lost 5 games ?


    Of course, it's debatable.  You're debating it right now. 

    Eleven days ago, Alabama faced a team that is better than Alabama.  Yet that team is left out of the playoff, while Bama is in because that other team played FOUR games against playoff teams and lost two of the them.  But Auburn also won two of them, which is two more wins than Alabama has against teams in the top sixteen of the final CFP Committee rankings.

    Sorry, this thing about "the four best teams" is bullsh*t.
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    Quote Originally Posted by charles1911:

    Alabama is one of the 4 best teams in the country . This is non debatable its a fact. Is there any team ( take away the Auburn GAME ) that was as consistent all four quarters all year long? Also look at the record of opponents the week after they play Alabama. The beat you up. I honestly think the better QB is on the bench and has been all year. Now take in they are now favored to win the entire thing by Vegas. I know x and o's pretty well and offense , defense, special teams this is easily one of the 4 best teams . Would Alabama ever loose by 30 to any non ranked team yet alone one that lost 5 games ?


    Of course, it's debatable.  You're debating it right now. 

    Eleven days ago, Alabama faced a team that is better than Alabama.  Yet that team is left out of the playoff, while Bama is in because that other team played FOUR games against playoff teams and lost two of the them.  But Auburn also won two of them, which is two more wins than Alabama has against teams in the top sixteen of the final CFP Committee rankings.

    Sorry, this thing about "the four best teams" is bullsh*t.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 6, 2017 - 4:34 PM ET #73

    Boom_boom... There are very few cappers I follow. You are one of them. As I have posted before "A smart man knows what he doesn't know". I know I cannot handicap. So I follow those who can, like yourself, Wahoos, and blowoutgm etc. Thank you for the hard work, insights, and picks you give out. It is appreciated and I look forward as you do to crushing the books this bowl season. Oh... and happy holidays.
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    Boom_boom... There are very few cappers I follow. You are one of them. As I have posted before "A smart man knows what he doesn't know". I know I cannot handicap. So I follow those who can, like yourself, Wahoos, and blowoutgm etc. Thank you for the hard work, insights, and picks you give out. It is appreciated and I look forward as you do to crushing the books this bowl season. Oh... and happy holidays.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 6, 2017 - 5:42 PM ET #74

    Best 4 teams are in, Fuckeyes barely beat my team(Michigan) with no offense, got beat by 30 by Iowaand the worst lost to Okie AT FUCKIN HOME.  
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    Best 4 teams are in, Fuckeyes barely beat my team(Michigan) with no offense, got beat by 30 by Iowaand the worst lost to Okie AT FUCKIN HOME.  
     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 6, 2017 - 5:46 PM ET #75

    Boom post 73 is ridiculous, Auburn at home is different animal.  Bama played bad but neutral site Bama beats then probably 8 out 10 as does Georgia.
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    Boom post 73 is ridiculous, Auburn at home is different animal.  Bama played bad but neutral site Bama beats then probably 8 out 10 as does Georgia.
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