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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2017 - 2:27 AM ET #1

    Xavier is a hot public favorite after stealing an upset win against two-seeded Arizona. The line opened at 8.5 and was quickly bet down to 8. What the public does not understand is the matchup difference.  Xavier had matched up very well with Arizona as they had their way around the rim against the 134th best two point % defense.  Arizona lacks a strong interior presence around the rim and Bluiett more than anybody else was able to take advantage of that by wracking up 25 points. On the offensive side, Zona got very little production out of their big man, just 9 points from Markkanen. Gonzaga is a different beast from Arizona. They have a dominant interior presence and I think this will be decisive against Xavier whose size and strength inside pales in comparison with that of Gonzaga. Gonzaga is 4th in 2 point % on offense while Xavier is one of the worst teams at protecting the rim and Gonzaga is 2nd in 2 point % on defense. I therefore expect Karnowski to have a big game for the Zags. While Xavier will do all it can to contain his size and strength, Williams-Goss should profit from the lack of attention placed upon him. In this sense, it is all the better for Zags backers that he only managed 10 points against West Virginia. Whenever Williams-Goss has scored 10 points or fewer, he has scored 20 or more all but one time in the following game. His „worst“ performance after scoring 10 or less was 14 against Florida’s elite defense in non-conference play. Xavier’s defense is strong, but their vulnerability inside will allow Gonzaga’s other weapons to have strong performances. On the flipside, Xavier will have trouble driving into the interior, but they are only ranked 170th in 3 point %. That won’t be good enough to keep up with Gonzaga. Xavier is fortunate to have advanced this far--  Zona went scoreless the last few minutes of the game, surrendering a big lead due to a mental lapse that almost also cost Florida tonight. I think Gonzaga is too good on both sides of the ball for this Xavier team to keep up with and I think they win by double digits.  Expect a letdown after an emotional upset win. Expect Gonzaga to start playing like the final four team that they were hyped up to be. Take Gonzaga -8.

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    Xavier is a hot public favorite after stealing an upset win against two-seeded Arizona. The line opened at 8.5 and was quickly bet down to 8. What the public does not understand is the matchup difference.  Xavier had matched up very well with Arizona as they had their way around the rim against the 134th best two point % defense.  Arizona lacks a strong interior presence around the rim and Bluiett more than anybody else was able to take advantage of that by wracking up 25 points. On the offensive side, Zona got very little production out of their big man, just 9 points from Markkanen. Gonzaga is a different beast from Arizona. They have a dominant interior presence and I think this will be decisive against Xavier whose size and strength inside pales in comparison with that of Gonzaga. Gonzaga is 4th in 2 point % on offense while Xavier is one of the worst teams at protecting the rim and Gonzaga is 2nd in 2 point % on defense. I therefore expect Karnowski to have a big game for the Zags. While Xavier will do all it can to contain his size and strength, Williams-Goss should profit from the lack of attention placed upon him. In this sense, it is all the better for Zags backers that he only managed 10 points against West Virginia. Whenever Williams-Goss has scored 10 points or fewer, he has scored 20 or more all but one time in the following game. His „worst“ performance after scoring 10 or less was 14 against Florida’s elite defense in non-conference play. Xavier’s defense is strong, but their vulnerability inside will allow Gonzaga’s other weapons to have strong performances. On the flipside, Xavier will have trouble driving into the interior, but they are only ranked 170th in 3 point %. That won’t be good enough to keep up with Gonzaga. Xavier is fortunate to have advanced this far--  Zona went scoreless the last few minutes of the game, surrendering a big lead due to a mental lapse that almost also cost Florida tonight. I think Gonzaga is too good on both sides of the ball for this Xavier team to keep up with and I think they win by double digits.  Expect a letdown after an emotional upset win. Expect Gonzaga to start playing like the final four team that they were hyped up to be. Take Gonzaga -8.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2017 - 2:31 AM ET #2

    Write-up for Gonzaga -8
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2017 - 3:07 AM ET #3

    Agree with this write-up @ProudJagsFan. 

    I actually think Xavier might keep it closer than previously thought. Just because Blueitt is so darn hot right now. But the Zags haven't even played their best ball yet. When they decide to bust that team out, hopefully tomorrow, the world will finally understand why they are one of the best College Basketball Teams of all time. 

    I'm hoping the line drops
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    Agree with this write-up @ProudJagsFan. 

    I actually think Xavier might keep it closer than previously thought. Just because Blueitt is so darn hot right now. But the Zags haven't even played their best ball yet. When they decide to bust that team out, hopefully tomorrow, the world will finally understand why they are one of the best College Basketball Teams of all time. 

    I'm hoping the line drops
     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2017 - 3:19 AM ET #4

    West Virginia didnt have the size to match up with Gonzaga, instead they used their speed and shifty guards to make up for it. No big men is playing better in the tournament right now then Sean O'Mara. He's a very smart post defender and has developed a beautiful drop step right hook over the last month or so. 

    My issue with taking Xavier is that the lack of depth on this team might finally catch up to them here. I expect the first half to be air tight, both teams nervous, trying to find their footing in the game. But the 2nd half is when the Zags should be able to put their stamp on the game. Nigel Williams Goss should bounce back, and Perkins certainly wont play that bad again. I just can't see myself laying 8 points against a Xavier team that has something special to them, especially with Blueitt in peak form right now. 
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    West Virginia didnt have the size to match up with Gonzaga, instead they used their speed and shifty guards to make up for it. No big men is playing better in the tournament right now then Sean O'Mara. He's a very smart post defender and has developed a beautiful drop step right hook over the last month or so. 

    My issue with taking Xavier is that the lack of depth on this team might finally catch up to them here. I expect the first half to be air tight, both teams nervous, trying to find their footing in the game. But the 2nd half is when the Zags should be able to put their stamp on the game. Nigel Williams Goss should bounce back, and Perkins certainly wont play that bad again. I just can't see myself laying 8 points against a Xavier team that has something special to them, especially with Blueitt in peak form right now. 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2017 - 9:43 AM ET #5

    I think Gonzaga is too good on both sides of the ball for this Xavier team to keep up with and I think they win by double digits.  Expect a letdown after an emotional upset win.


    Gonzaga didn't also have an emotional win that came down to the final possession in a nip and tuck game and could now have a letdown? And remember, this is a team that has lost a SINGLE game all year. They experienced little to zero adversity in the world's most awful conference. WVU could have easily dispatched them with a few key shots late.

    The writing is good. But the cap doesn't justify why Gonzaga will win BY 8 only that Gonzaga will win. 8 is a VERY big number in a do or die tournament game. There has to be more substance to advocate for what will in general be one team dominating and possibly blowing another out. 


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    I think Gonzaga is too good on both sides of the ball for this Xavier team to keep up with and I think they win by double digits.  Expect a letdown after an emotional upset win.


    Gonzaga didn't also have an emotional win that came down to the final possession in a nip and tuck game and could now have a letdown? And remember, this is a team that has lost a SINGLE game all year. They experienced little to zero adversity in the world's most awful conference. WVU could have easily dispatched them with a few key shots late.

    The writing is good. But the cap doesn't justify why Gonzaga will win BY 8 only that Gonzaga will win. 8 is a VERY big number in a do or die tournament game. There has to be more substance to advocate for what will in general be one team dominating and possibly blowing another out. 


     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2017 - 10:00 AM ET #6

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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2017 - 10:10 AM ET #7

    Jags

    Whats your record for the tourney. Not busting balls just curious. I have seen you put up some posts like this that sound like you know your stuff but haven't seen you hit to many.  
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    Jags

    Whats your record for the tourney. Not busting balls just curious. I have seen you put up some posts like this that sound like you know your stuff but haven't seen you hit to many.  
     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2017 - 10:22 AM ET #8

    I was doing really well until my trial run a coulple days ago where I had to start making plays everyday and I've just been also posting them here. My capping strength seems definitely to be conference play
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    I was doing really well until my trial run a coulple days ago where I had to start making plays everyday and I've just been also posting them here. My capping strength seems definitely to be conference play
     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2017 - 10:25 AM ET #9

    Jags another good write up I'm with you on Oregon today have to look into this one a bit more before making a play
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    Jags another good write up I'm with you on Oregon today have to look into this one a bit more before making a play
     
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    I was doing really well until my trial run a coulple days ago where I had to start making plays everyday and I've just been also posting them here. My capping strength seems definitely to be conference play
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    I was doing really well until my trial run a coulple days ago where I had to start making plays everyday and I've just been also posting them here. My capping strength seems definitely to be conference play
     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2017 - 10:42 AM ET #11

    What disturbs me is that the Gonzaga/WVU game gave me zero read on who was the better team on the floor...the refs made that game about themselves. They killed the flow, there were so many damn stoppages and too many free throws.

    For some reason that's keeping me from even capping "this" game. Gozaga may be worn out after facing that press, or not. They used rotations that they've never used in that game.


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    What disturbs me is that the Gonzaga/WVU game gave me zero read on who was the better team on the floor...the refs made that game about themselves. They killed the flow, there were so many damn stoppages and too many free throws.

    For some reason that's keeping me from even capping "this" game. Gozaga may be worn out after facing that press, or not. They used rotations that they've never used in that game.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jroc1247:

    Jags

    Whats your record for the tourney. Not busting balls just curious. I have seen you put up some posts like this that sound like you know your stuff but haven't seen you hit to many.  

    No, my last run is cold. Not getting a good feel from these tourney games. The only good play i've made in tourney time was that 4 team ML parlay on favorites on the first day. Will let you know when I feel I have a solid read on a game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jroc1247:

    Jags

    Whats your record for the tourney. Not busting balls just curious. I have seen you put up some posts like this that sound like you know your stuff but haven't seen you hit to many.  

    No, my last run is cold. Not getting a good feel from these tourney games. The only good play i've made in tourney time was that 4 team ML parlay on favorites on the first day. Will let you know when I feel I have a solid read on a game.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2017 - 10:48 AM ET #13

    I like the write up, but I have disagree with what you said about dominating the inside game from Zags. Xavier stopped Arizonas two bigs and we witnessed it... how Kronowski better the AZ two Bigs? Don't understand it... 
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    I like the write up, but I have disagree with what you said about dominating the inside game from Zags. Xavier stopped Arizonas two bigs and we witnessed it... how Kronowski better the AZ two Bigs? Don't understand it... 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    I think Gonzaga is too good on both sides of the ball for this Xavier team to keep up with and I think they win by double digits.  Expect a letdown after an emotional upset win.


    Gonzaga didn't also have an emotional win that came down to the final possession in a nip and tuck game and could now have a letdown? And remember, this is a team that has lost a SINGLE game all year. They experienced little to zero adversity in the world's most awful conference. WVU could have easily dispatched them with a few key shots late.

    The writing is good. But the cap doesn't justify why Gonzaga will win BY 8 only that Gonzaga will win. 8 is a VERY big number in a do or die tournament game. There has to be more substance to advocate for what will in general be one team dominating and possibly blowing another out. 



    Gonzaga didn't have an upset win. I feel like it's good for them mentally that they're truly battle-tested now after blowing their conference out. Xavier just came off a huge upset. The emotional part related also partly to the relationship between their coaches--so emotional for their coach. BOL today bro and thanks for the feedback
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    I think Gonzaga is too good on both sides of the ball for this Xavier team to keep up with and I think they win by double digits.  Expect a letdown after an emotional upset win.


    Gonzaga didn't also have an emotional win that came down to the final possession in a nip and tuck game and could now have a letdown? And remember, this is a team that has lost a SINGLE game all year. They experienced little to zero adversity in the world's most awful conference. WVU could have easily dispatched them with a few key shots late.

    The writing is good. But the cap doesn't justify why Gonzaga will win BY 8 only that Gonzaga will win. 8 is a VERY big number in a do or die tournament game. There has to be more substance to advocate for what will in general be one team dominating and possibly blowing another out. 



    Gonzaga didn't have an upset win. I feel like it's good for them mentally that they're truly battle-tested now after blowing their conference out. Xavier just came off a huge upset. The emotional part related also partly to the relationship between their coaches--so emotional for their coach. BOL today bro and thanks for the feedback
     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2017 - 10:52 AM ET #15

    Zona didn't shoot well     
     had size advantage & rebounded their misses  its more difficult for  Def to rebound in a zone. Zona has 19 reb in 1st HF 12 Ofensive. 
    X 2-3 pack line D  is difficult for teams to prepare for in a few days 
    "Ball pressure, Aggressive Ball position, smart position off ball " 
    they also do not give up many   transition baskets. 
    Wouldn't under estimate X & the style of  D  they have been playing better  and  covering  lately.  

    It will be interesting to see what happens Zags are skilled, they can bomb away from 3  and run X out of gym like most  opponents  
    Zags have size advantage but do not  see that D in the WCC  
    BYU didn't have any strategy on D and beat them @ home 
     
    I'm investing  X  +8  maybe ML   just because of their D and hard nose play  

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    Zona didn't shoot well     
     had size advantage & rebounded their misses  its more difficult for  Def to rebound in a zone. Zona has 19 reb in 1st HF 12 Ofensive. 
    X 2-3 pack line D  is difficult for teams to prepare for in a few days 
    "Ball pressure, Aggressive Ball position, smart position off ball " 
    they also do not give up many   transition baskets. 
    Wouldn't under estimate X & the style of  D  they have been playing better  and  covering  lately.  

    It will be interesting to see what happens Zags are skilled, they can bomb away from 3  and run X out of gym like most  opponents  
    Zags have size advantage but do not  see that D in the WCC  
    BYU didn't have any strategy on D and beat them @ home 
     
    I'm investing  X  +8  maybe ML   just because of their D and hard nose play  

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadianwhisky:

    Zona didn't shoot well     
     had size advantage & rebounded their misses  its more difficult for  Def to rebound in a zone. Zona has 19 reb in 1st HF 12 Ofensive. 
    X 2-3 pack line D  is difficult for teams to prepare for in a few days 
    "Ball pressure, Aggressive Ball position, smart position off ball " 
    they also do not give up many   transition baskets. 
    Wouldn't under estimate X & the style of  D  they have been playing better  and  covering  lately.  

    It will be interesting to see what happens Zags are skilled, they can bomb away from 3  and run X out of gym like most  opponents  
    Zags have size advantage but do not  see that D in the WCC  
    BYU didn't have any strategy on D and beat them @ home 
     
    I'm investing  X  +8  maybe ML   just because of their D and hard nose play  


    When you say they didn't shoot well.. does that mean that Arizona just suck or is it because Xavier Def was that good? I love it how people discredit a team because they were on the opposite side... they beat Arizona and played one hella of game. If everyone here was on Xavier we all be talking about how good they are.. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadianwhisky:

    Zona didn't shoot well     
     had size advantage & rebounded their misses  its more difficult for  Def to rebound in a zone. Zona has 19 reb in 1st HF 12 Ofensive. 
    X 2-3 pack line D  is difficult for teams to prepare for in a few days 
    "Ball pressure, Aggressive Ball position, smart position off ball " 
    they also do not give up many   transition baskets. 
    Wouldn't under estimate X & the style of  D  they have been playing better  and  covering  lately.  

    It will be interesting to see what happens Zags are skilled, they can bomb away from 3  and run X out of gym like most  opponents  
    Zags have size advantage but do not  see that D in the WCC  
    BYU didn't have any strategy on D and beat them @ home 
     
    I'm investing  X  +8  maybe ML   just because of their D and hard nose play  


    When you say they didn't shoot well.. does that mean that Arizona just suck or is it because Xavier Def was that good? I love it how people discredit a team because they were on the opposite side... they beat Arizona and played one hella of game. If everyone here was on Xavier we all be talking about how good they are.. 
     
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    Btw, I had Arizona like most of y'all ... just spitting the truth.. can't lie about what you saw.. that's what separates a good capper from the bad capper... they see the truth and admit it... 
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    Btw, I had Arizona like most of y'all ... just spitting the truth.. can't lie about what you saw.. that's what separates a good capper from the bad capper... they see the truth and admit it... 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2017 - 11:03 AM ET #18

    Jags:

    I feel ya. Was hot towards end of reg season and really got hot in conf tourney. Then the madness started and have been fighting to get out of the red since. Been a tough go
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    Jags:

    I feel ya. Was hot towards end of reg season and really got hot in conf tourney. Then the madness started and have been fighting to get out of the red since. Been a tough go
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ByrdMane612:

    I like the write up, but I have disagree with what you said about dominating the inside game from Zags. Xavier stopped Arizonas two bigs and we witnessed it... how Kronowski better the AZ two Bigs? Don't understand it... 

    Karnowski is a man. The skinny scandinavian is a boy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ByrdMane612:

    I like the write up, but I have disagree with what you said about dominating the inside game from Zags. Xavier stopped Arizonas two bigs and we witnessed it... how Kronowski better the AZ two Bigs? Don't understand it... 

    Karnowski is a man. The skinny scandinavian is a boy.
     
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    I got -8 and did a rare teaser which is something I don't recommend lol. 
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    I got -8 and did a rare teaser which is something I don't recommend lol. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProudJagsfan:


    Karnowski is a man. The skinny scandinavian is a boy.


    I am surprised how much Credit you are giving to a 7ft 300lbs guy who can even graze the rim if he jumps... when kronowski dunks please wake me up because I'm still sleeping on this left tackle ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProudJagsfan:


    Karnowski is a man. The skinny scandinavian is a boy.


    I am surprised how much Credit you are giving to a 7ft 300lbs guy who can even graze the rim if he jumps... when kronowski dunks please wake me up because I'm still sleeping on this left tackle ..
     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2017 - 12:51 PM ET #22

    I always look for the un-sexy team and Zags' two-point fg stats on O and D support my point that they are much stronger inside than the Wildcats and I think too strong for X. Didn't K and Collins always get Landale in foul trouble?
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    I always look for the un-sexy team and Zags' two-point fg stats on O and D support my point that they are much stronger inside than the Wildcats and I think too strong for X. Didn't K and Collins always get Landale in foul trouble?
     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2017 - 3:07 PM ET #23

    Byrd   not in the least  really  like 
    X, D system & strategy,  coaching and aggressive, hard nosed players. 
    That's why AZ shot poorly.   Zag have bigs only  give the team a competative advantage  against less talented  teams.  X pack line can exploit Zag and take away inside game.  

    WV would have won if not for FT missed
    BYU with their no D strategy racked the Zags  at the kennel 


    Who the heck knows  Like X strategy on D  
    no they don't win all their games  
    Zags are capable running them out the gym 
    X  seem to be playing better as of late as a Dog  
    i'm taking  the +8  on X 
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    Byrd   not in the least  really  like 
    X, D system & strategy,  coaching and aggressive, hard nosed players. 
    That's why AZ shot poorly.   Zag have bigs only  give the team a competative advantage  against less talented  teams.  X pack line can exploit Zag and take away inside game.  

    WV would have won if not for FT missed
    BYU with their no D strategy racked the Zags  at the kennel 


    Who the heck knows  Like X strategy on D  
    no they don't win all their games  
    Zags are capable running them out the gym 
    X  seem to be playing better as of late as a Dog  
    i'm taking  the +8  on X 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2017 - 3:13 PM ET #24

    Proud 
    St marys is a skilled HF court team  
    don't match up athletically & phyically against  Zags 



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    Proud 
    St marys is a skilled HF court team  
    don't match up athletically & phyically against  Zags 



     
     
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    Don't think Zags have played to their full potential. I made the smc reference to illustrate Zags' physicality which I think will be too much for X. X not a good team normally from beside the arc either. I want tö back the team who can take the other's strength away
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    Don't think Zags have played to their full potential. I made the smc reference to illustrate Zags' physicality which I think will be too much for X. X not a good team normally from beside the arc either. I want tö back the team who can take the other's strength away
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