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    Posted: Feb. 14, 2012 - 2:56 PM ET #1

    November: 46-38, +5.20
    November Leans: 39-38
    December: 65-70, -9.45
    December Leans: 67-79
    January: 52-39, +15.80
    January Leans: 40-37
    February: 23-19, +13.90
    February Leans: 23-22


    Just not sure how Cleveland State responds here. All the build-up to the revenge match-up with Valpo at home, and they tanked. Then, two days later, dropped their even bigger match-up with rival Butler. Now, they hit the road against one of the toughest defenses in the conference and welcome in a Drexel team that's won 19 of their last 20 games for Busted Bracket Saturday. Pretty nice revenge game for Wisconsin MKE, here as the 83 that Cleveland State posted in the first meeting was their highest point total in conference play and also happened to be the highest point total MKE's given up all year as well. Don't really have faith in either one of these offenses with recent results, so simply going with revenge here. Wisconsin MKE's only two home contests they've dropped in the Horizon came to Valpo and Youngstown State, who also happen to be the two of the tops in the league this year. I can't put CSU in that category. If you remember anything about my Cleveland State info from last year, a large part of the defensive analysis came down to D'Aundray Brown and how badly he was missed. He's got a groin injury, so this defense takes a major hit (and a big part of why they've sucked the last few games). His slashing offense also becomes less of a focal point and MKE can concentrate on what they do so well and that is guarding the perimeter. If he's not creating turnovers, the offense sputters in the half court, and they're a much, much, much easier team to score on (he is probably my hands down, most important defensive player to any team in the country at the guard spot - Briante doesn't get enough minutes for that spot, but it's close). I would have played this even if he was healthy, but this is just an added bonus here. 
    5* Wisconsin MKE PK

    Played this game earlier this year without success, but that game did go over the listed 112.5 with only 56 possessions. Going back to the well here with an extra three points of value, and again a Clemson offense I don't think is still all that great. Also have Clemson with North Carolina on tap and just coming off their first conference road victory and highest offensive output on the road as well where they shot a sizzling 58%. In terms of Virginia, they'll play slow, and they defend well. It's also important to note that they have rebounded well off a loss all year and they haven't lost two straight all year. More importantly, I think it's safe to say that after giving up their highest conference total of the year of 70 to UNC last time out, they should rebound defensively. Going a step further, after a loss this year, they've given up 35 (Drexel), 38 (Georgia Tech), 49 (Boston College), and 44 (Wake Forest). And yes, those are full game point totals. In terms of the injury to Joe Harris, it only hurts their offense. Big Men in the pack defense aren't all that important. He was a pivotal reason the first game went over (he hit 3 straight three-pointers in a 19-3 run in the 2H). That first game was also a game in which Clemson's Milton Jenning's did not play. He's their best interior defender, and not all that efficient on the offensive end. Just having him in the lineup helps the Clemson defense, but it also takes possessions away from Booker and Smith who had decent games in the first meeting. Should be a game where Virginia makes it a point to hammer the ball into Scott, and a game Bennett really relies on the defense.  If I liked this a few weeks ago, hard to avoid this now catching a few more points given the above.
    3* Virginia/Clemson Under 115.5

    First two times these two teams played this year, Indiana State was in the middle of a Wichita/Creighton sandwich. Since then, the offense has come to life with point totals of 90, 61, 66, 60, and 78. If you've been paying any attention to Illinois State, the defense has simply hit the fan. Yah, they held Drake to 53 (Drake was without Simons), Bradley to 48 in a rivalry game, and Southern Illinois to 40 in a big revenge setting. Fact is, they haven't been able to stop anyone else. Last four road games in the Valley they've yeilded 77, 79, 102, and 78. Not sure going into the other ISU tonight is going to help. Both teams shoot the three-ball quite a bit and neither team defends it worth a damn. Combine Indiana State's little revenge angle here with Illinois State's inability to defend on the road, and this is a nice little equation for an over. Also tough to not like Indiana State here, but the three-balls that go up tough to determine a winner here. The first meeting, Illinois State only shot 17 of them. That's their lowest attempt total unless you count the SIU game where they took the air out of the ball the 2H (and still ended up with 16). 
    2* Illinois State/Indiana State Over 128.5

    Lean: VCU +1
    Lean: James Madison +5
    Lean: Kent State -4.5
    Lean: Indiana State -4

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    November: 46-38, +5.20
    November Leans: 39-38
    December: 65-70, -9.45
    December Leans: 67-79
    January: 52-39, +15.80
    January Leans: 40-37
    February: 23-19, +13.90
    February Leans: 23-22


    Just not sure how Cleveland State responds here. All the build-up to the revenge match-up with Valpo at home, and they tanked. Then, two days later, dropped their even bigger match-up with rival Butler. Now, they hit the road against one of the toughest defenses in the conference and welcome in a Drexel team that's won 19 of their last 20 games for Busted Bracket Saturday. Pretty nice revenge game for Wisconsin MKE, here as the 83 that Cleveland State posted in the first meeting was their highest point total in conference play and also happened to be the highest point total MKE's given up all year as well. Don't really have faith in either one of these offenses with recent results, so simply going with revenge here. Wisconsin MKE's only two home contests they've dropped in the Horizon came to Valpo and Youngstown State, who also happen to be the two of the tops in the league this year. I can't put CSU in that category. If you remember anything about my Cleveland State info from last year, a large part of the defensive analysis came down to D'Aundray Brown and how badly he was missed. He's got a groin injury, so this defense takes a major hit (and a big part of why they've sucked the last few games). His slashing offense also becomes less of a focal point and MKE can concentrate on what they do so well and that is guarding the perimeter. If he's not creating turnovers, the offense sputters in the half court, and they're a much, much, much easier team to score on (he is probably my hands down, most important defensive player to any team in the country at the guard spot - Briante doesn't get enough minutes for that spot, but it's close). I would have played this even if he was healthy, but this is just an added bonus here. 
    5* Wisconsin MKE PK

    Played this game earlier this year without success, but that game did go over the listed 112.5 with only 56 possessions. Going back to the well here with an extra three points of value, and again a Clemson offense I don't think is still all that great. Also have Clemson with North Carolina on tap and just coming off their first conference road victory and highest offensive output on the road as well where they shot a sizzling 58%. In terms of Virginia, they'll play slow, and they defend well. It's also important to note that they have rebounded well off a loss all year and they haven't lost two straight all year. More importantly, I think it's safe to say that after giving up their highest conference total of the year of 70 to UNC last time out, they should rebound defensively. Going a step further, after a loss this year, they've given up 35 (Drexel), 38 (Georgia Tech), 49 (Boston College), and 44 (Wake Forest). And yes, those are full game point totals. In terms of the injury to Joe Harris, it only hurts their offense. Big Men in the pack defense aren't all that important. He was a pivotal reason the first game went over (he hit 3 straight three-pointers in a 19-3 run in the 2H). That first game was also a game in which Clemson's Milton Jenning's did not play. He's their best interior defender, and not all that efficient on the offensive end. Just having him in the lineup helps the Clemson defense, but it also takes possessions away from Booker and Smith who had decent games in the first meeting. Should be a game where Virginia makes it a point to hammer the ball into Scott, and a game Bennett really relies on the defense.  If I liked this a few weeks ago, hard to avoid this now catching a few more points given the above.
    3* Virginia/Clemson Under 115.5

    First two times these two teams played this year, Indiana State was in the middle of a Wichita/Creighton sandwich. Since then, the offense has come to life with point totals of 90, 61, 66, 60, and 78. If you've been paying any attention to Illinois State, the defense has simply hit the fan. Yah, they held Drake to 53 (Drake was without Simons), Bradley to 48 in a rivalry game, and Southern Illinois to 40 in a big revenge setting. Fact is, they haven't been able to stop anyone else. Last four road games in the Valley they've yeilded 77, 79, 102, and 78. Not sure going into the other ISU tonight is going to help. Both teams shoot the three-ball quite a bit and neither team defends it worth a damn. Combine Indiana State's little revenge angle here with Illinois State's inability to defend on the road, and this is a nice little equation for an over. Also tough to not like Indiana State here, but the three-balls that go up tough to determine a winner here. The first meeting, Illinois State only shot 17 of them. That's their lowest attempt total unless you count the SIU game where they took the air out of the ball the 2H (and still ended up with 16). 
    2* Illinois State/Indiana State Over 128.5

    Lean: VCU +1
    Lean: James Madison +5
    Lean: Kent State -4.5
    Lean: Indiana State -4

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    Posted: Feb. 14, 2012 - 3:00 PM ET #2

    Hi Nropp, nice to see you back and posting. Can I get your thoughts on Florida bouncing back vs a depleted Bama team?

    Also Miss St @ LSU? LSU looked pretty horrible vs Bama the other night.

    Thanks as always and GL!
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    Hi Nropp, nice to see you back and posting. Can I get your thoughts on Florida bouncing back vs a depleted Bama team?

    Also Miss St @ LSU? LSU looked pretty horrible vs Bama the other night.

    Thanks as always and GL!
     
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    GL Neil. Do you think Creighton comes back and wins today at Southern Illinois?  Thanks

    And Ohio State should beat Minnesota right? Lol
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    GL Neil. Do you think Creighton comes back and wins today at Southern Illinois?  Thanks

    And Ohio State should beat Minnesota right? Lol
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dosan23:

    Hi Nropp, nice to see you back and posting. Can I get your thoughts on Florida bouncing back vs a depleted Bama team?

    Also Miss St @ LSU? LSU looked pretty horrible vs Bama the other night.

    Thanks as always and GL!

    Florida/Bama game is tough. I don't know how anyone in their right mind can cap that game knowing what the outcome's going to be. Yah, Bama is without a few players, but the most important in my mind is Releford and he's in the lineup I believe. Haven't really seen much from Florida on the road to make a case to play them against another tough defensive philosophy. I crossed 'er off pretty quick.

    As for LSU, teams never look as bad as they were the previous game, and never look as good as they were either. Law of averages keep us coming back to hit the submit button and the reason that many spots open up for value. Otherwise, we would have 170 teams that were 32-0 and another 170 that are 0-32. In regards to the game the other night, I would assume LSU's mental preparation was not all the way there. They were playing a second unit, they were aware of the suspensions, so it's a spot where a team thinks they can coast to victory. They did still win by 9. No thoughts on this game tonight. A little out-matched at the guard position, but both match up well on the interior. MSU hasn't dropped two games in a row all year. Should be a good game, don't see any value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dosan23:

    Hi Nropp, nice to see you back and posting. Can I get your thoughts on Florida bouncing back vs a depleted Bama team?

    Also Miss St @ LSU? LSU looked pretty horrible vs Bama the other night.

    Thanks as always and GL!

    Florida/Bama game is tough. I don't know how anyone in their right mind can cap that game knowing what the outcome's going to be. Yah, Bama is without a few players, but the most important in my mind is Releford and he's in the lineup I believe. Haven't really seen much from Florida on the road to make a case to play them against another tough defensive philosophy. I crossed 'er off pretty quick.

    As for LSU, teams never look as bad as they were the previous game, and never look as good as they were either. Law of averages keep us coming back to hit the submit button and the reason that many spots open up for value. Otherwise, we would have 170 teams that were 32-0 and another 170 that are 0-32. In regards to the game the other night, I would assume LSU's mental preparation was not all the way there. They were playing a second unit, they were aware of the suspensions, so it's a spot where a team thinks they can coast to victory. They did still win by 9. No thoughts on this game tonight. A little out-matched at the guard position, but both match up well on the interior. MSU hasn't dropped two games in a row all year. Should be a good game, don't see any value.

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    Posted: Feb. 14, 2012 - 3:08 PM ET #6

    Any thoughts at Delaware catching 4pts @ Hofstra tonight?  They are playing good ball of late, while Hofstra is struggling.

    thx

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    Any thoughts at Delaware catching 4pts @ Hofstra tonight?  They are playing good ball of late, while Hofstra is struggling.

    thx

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    Quote Originally Posted by sportsanalyst:

    GL Neil. Do you think Creighton comes back and wins today at Southern Illinois?  Thanks

    And Ohio State should beat Minnesota right? Lol

    Creighton should bounce back, but just a bad spot against an ugly team having Long Beach coming in on Saturday. Offense is going to snap out of it at some point, just can't expect it to happen on the road. SIU's been pretty respectable at home all year in the Valley. Actually use to be one of the toughest places in the country to play at. Simply not the case anymore.

    Ohio State should win. No clue how they bounce-back. I would also guesstimate that Tubby's never been more than a 8 point home pup in the history of his coaching career. Most he's been dogged at home while at Minnesota was 4.5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sportsanalyst:

    GL Neil. Do you think Creighton comes back and wins today at Southern Illinois?  Thanks

    And Ohio State should beat Minnesota right? Lol

    Creighton should bounce back, but just a bad spot against an ugly team having Long Beach coming in on Saturday. Offense is going to snap out of it at some point, just can't expect it to happen on the road. SIU's been pretty respectable at home all year in the Valley. Actually use to be one of the toughest places in the country to play at. Simply not the case anymore.

    Ohio State should win. No clue how they bounce-back. I would also guesstimate that Tubby's never been more than a 8 point home pup in the history of his coaching career. Most he's been dogged at home while at Minnesota was 4.5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bk1374:

    Any thoughts at Delaware catching 4pts @ Hofstra tonight?  They are playing good ball of late, while Hofstra is struggling.

    thx

    bk


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    I would probably point to Delaware there. Not a big fan of them coming off a really good Georgia State defense in OT then bouncing back into this style of a game. Should be a game that mirrors streetball. Tons of horrendous shot attempts coming from both sides. Probably would have at least leaned to the over had the situational spot been different for Delaware.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bk1374:

    Any thoughts at Delaware catching 4pts @ Hofstra tonight?  They are playing good ball of late, while Hofstra is struggling.

    thx

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    I would probably point to Delaware there. Not a big fan of them coming off a really good Georgia State defense in OT then bouncing back into this style of a game. Should be a game that mirrors streetball. Tons of horrendous shot attempts coming from both sides. Probably would have at least leaned to the over had the situational spot been different for Delaware.

    GL
     
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    Posted: Feb. 14, 2012 - 3:17 PM ET #9

    thoughts on tcu? bad spot for unlv and some travel issues.. im taking my 8 points with them and minny
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    thoughts on tcu? bad spot for unlv and some travel issues.. im taking my 8 points with them and minny
     
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    Posted: Feb. 14, 2012 - 3:19 PM ET #10

    Surprised not to see you on TCU. Seems like a ton of points for a UNLV team that has played like garbage on the road. Anything you saw that steered you clear?

    Thanks for the insight nropp 
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    Surprised not to see you on TCU. Seems like a ton of points for a UNLV team that has played like garbage on the road. Anything you saw that steered you clear?

    Thanks for the insight nropp 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rollbama1237:

    Surprised not to see you on TCU. Seems like a ton of points for a UNLV team that has played like garbage on the road. Anything you saw that steered you clear?

    Thanks for the insight nropp 

    Sort of a different dynamic. UNLV playing on the road against good defensive teams that will slow them down are one thing. UNLV hitting the road here against a TCU team that absolutely had to run if it wants to puts points on the board and hide it's awful defense is another.

    If the game gets to the tempo that both want to play, then it's hard to ignore the better offense (and defense for that matter).

    Covering the -8 in a 70+ possession game would be similar to covering a -4 in a 60 possession game. This will actually be a game that UNLV should enjoy, and not sure TCU can keep up.

    Obviously, that's just my opinion. UNLV is sort of in a sandwich situation here, just not sure the pace of this one will allow them to think past this one.

    GL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rollbama1237:

    Surprised not to see you on TCU. Seems like a ton of points for a UNLV team that has played like garbage on the road. Anything you saw that steered you clear?

    Thanks for the insight nropp 

    Sort of a different dynamic. UNLV playing on the road against good defensive teams that will slow them down are one thing. UNLV hitting the road here against a TCU team that absolutely had to run if it wants to puts points on the board and hide it's awful defense is another.

    If the game gets to the tempo that both want to play, then it's hard to ignore the better offense (and defense for that matter).

    Covering the -8 in a 70+ possession game would be similar to covering a -4 in a 60 possession game. This will actually be a game that UNLV should enjoy, and not sure TCU can keep up.

    Obviously, that's just my opinion. UNLV is sort of in a sandwich situation here, just not sure the pace of this one will allow them to think past this one.

    GL
     
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    Posted: Feb. 14, 2012 - 3:28 PM ET #12

    I like Mississippi St a lot nropp

     

    GL man

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    I like Mississippi St a lot nropp

     

    GL man

     
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    Posted: Feb. 14, 2012 - 3:34 PM ET #13

    Love the wisconsin Milwaukee play
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    Posted: Feb. 14, 2012 - 3:35 PM ET #14

    Good luck tonight NRopp!
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    Posted: Feb. 14, 2012 - 3:48 PM ET #15

    UNLV had more trouble traveling to Dallas last night.  Not sure if it will be a factor. More traveling delays
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    Posted: Feb. 14, 2012 - 3:49 PM ET #16

    Thanks again! Glad to see u back. 
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    Posted: Feb. 14, 2012 - 3:50 PM ET #17

    What do you make of Texas as well as Texas A&M tonight? Both seem like superior teams but i have hated laying the chalk lately and since the number seems low it appears to offer some value.

    What are your thoughts?

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    What do you make of Texas as well as Texas A&M tonight? Both seem like superior teams but i have hated laying the chalk lately and since the number seems low it appears to offer some value.

    What are your thoughts?

     
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    Posted: Feb. 14, 2012 - 3:52 PM ET #18

    Any thoughts on the total of Drexel v Wm and Mary tonight?  Thanks in advance.

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    Any thoughts on the total of Drexel v Wm and Mary tonight?  Thanks in advance.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 14, 2012 - 4:00 PM ET #19

    What do ya think about Ohio St under tonight??
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    Posted: Feb. 14, 2012 - 4:09 PM ET #20

    Got thoughts on Texas and Ohio St?
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    Posted: Feb. 14, 2012 - 4:13 PM ET #21

    Nropp...do you have any feelings on Ind St vs Ill St...I'm leaning towards Ind st -4 , but I don't have too much knowledge...just seems to me when these teams and Drake and other teams from that conference play each other they usually seem to trade home victories of 10 or more points.....thanks for any insight!
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    Nropp...do you have any feelings on Ind St vs Ill St...I'm leaning towards Ind st -4 , but I don't have too much knowledge...just seems to me when these teams and Drake and other teams from that conference play each other they usually seem to trade home victories of 10 or more points.....thanks for any insight!
     
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    Posted: Feb. 14, 2012 - 4:13 PM ET #22

    Oh, i didnt see you had them as a lean....still wondering about insight...glad you're at least leaning my way haha.

     

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    Oh, i didnt see you had them as a lean....still wondering about insight...glad you're at least leaning my way haha.

     

     
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    Posted: Feb. 14, 2012 - 4:17 PM ET #23

    hey neil,
    troe has clemson -1
    would you agree?
    gl tonite
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    hey neil,
    troe has clemson -1
    would you agree?
    gl tonite
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by scogan85:

    Oh, i didnt see you had them as a lean....still wondering about insight...glad you're at least leaning my way haha.

     

    from his 1st post:  

    "Combine Indiana State's little revenge angle here with Illinois State's inability to defend on the road, and this is a nice little equation for an over. Also tough to not like Indiana State here, but the three-balls that go up tough to determine a winner here. The first meeting, Illinois State only shot 17 of them. That's their lowest attempt total unless you count the SIU game where they took the air out of the ball the 2H (and still ended up with 16)."

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    Quote Originally Posted by scogan85:

    Oh, i didnt see you had them as a lean....still wondering about insight...glad you're at least leaning my way haha.

     

    from his 1st post:  

    "Combine Indiana State's little revenge angle here with Illinois State's inability to defend on the road, and this is a nice little equation for an over. Also tough to not like Indiana State here, but the three-balls that go up tough to determine a winner here. The first meeting, Illinois State only shot 17 of them. That's their lowest attempt total unless you count the SIU game where they took the air out of the ball the 2H (and still ended up with 16)."

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