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    SOUTH CAROLINA vs. MISSISSIPPI STATE - National Championship! The Letdown Spot is officially Square

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    Posted: Apr. 2, 2017 - 11:39 AM ET #1

    Record: 9-15

    This is an interesting spot. I looked at it from several different angles and those angles support both sides. It's up to you to choose the right angle. I went with one I thought best.

    Angle #1

    1. Does the classic "Letdown Spot" help us here?

    The Letdown Spot Angle = A team is so emotionally high after a big victory, it doesn't prepare sufficiently and hasn't come down psychologically for the rigors of the following game and will lose it outright, even to modest competition.

    So we have this angle in three parts IMO:

    Part A:

    A) Mississippi State just snapped the longest winning streak in basketball history and two days later faces a in-conference nemesis that is a #1 seed.

    This helps us. This is classic capping. Most people stop here and take the GameCocks. Miss State is not playing an average team (and this angle says you can lose to average competition) it is playing an excellent team that knows it.

    Result? Miss State should lose. 

    Now let's look at the second aspect of this angle

    Part B:

    B) The books know squares will bet this way so they gave themselves points to compensate for it.

    This is interesting. The line is -3.5 South Carolina even AFTER a team just beat the greatest basketball team ever in its sport. The books clearly were prepared for Mississippi State action and therefore expect a very tight game Miss St can win and/or cover in a nail-biter. So the 3.5 looms large here.

    With this line, we can officially say this spot, this letdown theory, is no longer unique and books and squares know it well and it is in the line. That is just conjecture but this line has to say that in part.

    Result? Miss State should win and/or cover because we agree that the books win more often than not and have set a sharp line.

    Part C:

    C) History

    Correlation is not causation and this is only a sample size of two. But it is interesting.

    I looked back at the 1974 Notre Dame team that ended UCLA 88 game win-streak to see what they did the next game.

    Amazingly they BEAT an excellent Kansas team that won its conference that year straight up by 2. Now I don't know what the line would have been but if, like MSU, they were getting points, they obviously cover.


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    Record: 9-15

    This is an interesting spot. I looked at it from several different angles and those angles support both sides. It's up to you to choose the right angle. I went with one I thought best.

    Angle #1

    1. Does the classic "Letdown Spot" help us here?

    The Letdown Spot Angle = A team is so emotionally high after a big victory, it doesn't prepare sufficiently and hasn't come down psychologically for the rigors of the following game and will lose it outright, even to modest competition.

    So we have this angle in three parts IMO:

    Part A:

    A) Mississippi State just snapped the longest winning streak in basketball history and two days later faces a in-conference nemesis that is a #1 seed.

    This helps us. This is classic capping. Most people stop here and take the GameCocks. Miss State is not playing an average team (and this angle says you can lose to average competition) it is playing an excellent team that knows it.

    Result? Miss State should lose. 

    Now let's look at the second aspect of this angle

    Part B:

    B) The books know squares will bet this way so they gave themselves points to compensate for it.

    This is interesting. The line is -3.5 South Carolina even AFTER a team just beat the greatest basketball team ever in its sport. The books clearly were prepared for Mississippi State action and therefore expect a very tight game Miss St can win and/or cover in a nail-biter. So the 3.5 looms large here.

    With this line, we can officially say this spot, this letdown theory, is no longer unique and books and squares know it well and it is in the line. That is just conjecture but this line has to say that in part.

    Result? Miss State should win and/or cover because we agree that the books win more often than not and have set a sharp line.

    Part C:

    C) History

    Correlation is not causation and this is only a sample size of two. But it is interesting.

    I looked back at the 1974 Notre Dame team that ended UCLA 88 game win-streak to see what they did the next game.

    Amazingly they BEAT an excellent Kansas team that won its conference that year straight up by 2. Now I don't know what the line would have been but if, like MSU, they were getting points, they obviously cover.


     
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    Posted: Apr. 2, 2017 - 11:43 AM ET #2

    I also looked back at the team that beat the Huskies women's team in 2010 to end their 90 game win streak.

    That was Stanford. Not only did they beat Cal by 33 the next game (which almost certainly was an easy cover), they won their next twenty four in a row, losing in only the Final Four.

    So these two significant streaks sit against us. But they could simply be anomalies. I was very surprised ND won against Kansas the next game though. That was a shocker. Having said that, this was just something I was interested in and it sits against us.

    Result: Miss St can win outright.

    So that is the Letdown spot dissected and you can take it several ways.

    But here is what does it for me:

    Angle #2

    2) In Women's College Basketball, if something happens over and over, expect it to continue to happen.

    111 wins. If you bet the UConn ML 111 times against them you lost. Yes you lost the 112th time but 111 times before that is almost infinite in sports compared to that one loss.

    What is the streak here? These are conference rivals.

    Conference rivals, just like division opponents are familiar with each other.

    So what do we expect? Mississippi State and SC to be neck and neck in terms of heads of match-ups.

    Well guess what?

    That is not the case. Mississippi State has lost their last TEN in a row against South Carolina.

    What can we conclude from that? It's not 111 and could never be but like UConn we can moderately conclude that Mississippi State has not found a way to beat South Carolina in over a half decade and continues to struggle against them. And they will continue to until something changes. But not much has changed.

    And this is the angle I'm embracing WITH the potential for the square letdown spot to help us here.

    Mississippi State went through the toughest bracket beat Baylor (TOP quality) and UConn, who they were supposed to be fed to, both number 1 seeds and now they face ANOTHER number 1 seed.

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    I also looked back at the team that beat the Huskies women's team in 2010 to end their 90 game win streak.

    That was Stanford. Not only did they beat Cal by 33 the next game (which almost certainly was an easy cover), they won their next twenty four in a row, losing in only the Final Four.

    So these two significant streaks sit against us. But they could simply be anomalies. I was very surprised ND won against Kansas the next game though. That was a shocker. Having said that, this was just something I was interested in and it sits against us.

    Result: Miss St can win outright.

    So that is the Letdown spot dissected and you can take it several ways.

    But here is what does it for me:

    Angle #2

    2) In Women's College Basketball, if something happens over and over, expect it to continue to happen.

    111 wins. If you bet the UConn ML 111 times against them you lost. Yes you lost the 112th time but 111 times before that is almost infinite in sports compared to that one loss.

    What is the streak here? These are conference rivals.

    Conference rivals, just like division opponents are familiar with each other.

    So what do we expect? Mississippi State and SC to be neck and neck in terms of heads of match-ups.

    Well guess what?

    That is not the case. Mississippi State has lost their last TEN in a row against South Carolina.

    What can we conclude from that? It's not 111 and could never be but like UConn we can moderately conclude that Mississippi State has not found a way to beat South Carolina in over a half decade and continues to struggle against them. And they will continue to until something changes. But not much has changed.

    And this is the angle I'm embracing WITH the potential for the square letdown spot to help us here.

    Mississippi State went through the toughest bracket beat Baylor (TOP quality) and UConn, who they were supposed to be fed to, both number 1 seeds and now they face ANOTHER number 1 seed.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 2, 2017 - 11:48 AM ET #3

    not to mention the US squad won gold after beating the heavily favored Russians in the semis
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    not to mention the US squad won gold after beating the heavily favored Russians in the semis
     
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    Posted: Apr. 2, 2017 - 11:51 AM ET #4

    The Letdown Spot says they can lose to average competition.

    Here they face TOP SEED competition that has beaten them TEN in a row. That's a major trade-off in terms of the angle.

    Now I love fading streaks. But you fade them when you have a strong inclination the angle will lose or else you'll lose your shirt. I don't think SC will lose here.

    Finally, a little wrinkle angle that can help SC.

    Angle #3:

    3. The addition by subtraction Angle

    South Carolina lost its leading rebounder and double-double machine Allisha Gray in the conference tournament. They've gone small since and have won out, with other players continually filling her role. So MSU will have to game plan for a reconstructed team in a mere 1 day off and off the biggest win ever in women's college basketball.

    In addition, and this is key, most teams play zone against MSU. South Carolina has the defenders to play one on one and it's worked well with 2 wins over them this year, one by 3 and one by 10.

    SO,

    I am taking the following angles from above:

    Angle #2 saying that 10 in a row should go to 11 in a row ESPECIALLY in women's college basketball

    Angle #3 - Addition by subtraction.

    Angle #1A - Taking on the classic letdown spot but realizing this letdown spot is against GREAT competition and knowing this angle is buffered by Angle #2 and Angle #3.

    So now it's time for the pick. Do I simply disregard all this given my recent record?

    I can't do it. I think that beating UConn, even if they lose the Championship, will be like winning it all anyway. And I have the above to back me up. This doesn't smell like UCF because UCF is sure as hell no South Carolina in their respective sport. UCF can lose to anyone on any given day, even South Florida. So you can't go home unhappy after that win against UConn as compensation.

    Not crazy about the line that is rising so the books can backdoor this one so I have to lay the points

    The pick:

    South Carolina -3.5 over Mississippi State

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    The Letdown Spot says they can lose to average competition.

    Here they face TOP SEED competition that has beaten them TEN in a row. That's a major trade-off in terms of the angle.

    Now I love fading streaks. But you fade them when you have a strong inclination the angle will lose or else you'll lose your shirt. I don't think SC will lose here.

    Finally, a little wrinkle angle that can help SC.

    Angle #3:

    3. The addition by subtraction Angle

    South Carolina lost its leading rebounder and double-double machine Allisha Gray in the conference tournament. They've gone small since and have won out, with other players continually filling her role. So MSU will have to game plan for a reconstructed team in a mere 1 day off and off the biggest win ever in women's college basketball.

    In addition, and this is key, most teams play zone against MSU. South Carolina has the defenders to play one on one and it's worked well with 2 wins over them this year, one by 3 and one by 10.

    SO,

    I am taking the following angles from above:

    Angle #2 saying that 10 in a row should go to 11 in a row ESPECIALLY in women's college basketball

    Angle #3 - Addition by subtraction.

    Angle #1A - Taking on the classic letdown spot but realizing this letdown spot is against GREAT competition and knowing this angle is buffered by Angle #2 and Angle #3.

    So now it's time for the pick. Do I simply disregard all this given my recent record?

    I can't do it. I think that beating UConn, even if they lose the Championship, will be like winning it all anyway. And I have the above to back me up. This doesn't smell like UCF because UCF is sure as hell no South Carolina in their respective sport. UCF can lose to anyone on any given day, even South Florida. So you can't go home unhappy after that win against UConn as compensation.

    Not crazy about the line that is rising so the books can backdoor this one so I have to lay the points

    The pick:

    South Carolina -3.5 over Mississippi State

     
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    Posted: Apr. 2, 2017 - 11:52 AM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by BIGDTITLE:

    not to mention the US squad won gold after beating the heavily favored Russians in the semis

    True but I kept the comparison to basketball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BIGDTITLE:

    not to mention the US squad won gold after beating the heavily favored Russians in the semis

    True but I kept the comparison to basketball.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 2, 2017 - 11:58 AM ET #6

    perfect, "itty bitty" is the play.  Thanks!
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    perfect, "itty bitty" is the play.  Thanks!
     
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    Posted: Apr. 2, 2017 - 12:10 PM ET #7

    Have you ever watched Morgan William play? Monster heart, Scal. Never seen anything like it in all my years. You can't quantify heart.

    All your angles and numbers may be right but I'm betting the Dawgs +3.5.

    BOL,
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    Have you ever watched Morgan William play? Monster heart, Scal. Never seen anything like it in all my years. You can't quantify heart.

    All your angles and numbers may be right but I'm betting the Dawgs +3.5.

    BOL,
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    Posted: Apr. 2, 2017 - 12:15 PM ET #8

    so are we supposed to fade this play now that you put all the variables out there? isn't that what you alluded to in the previous thread? no pun intended bruh... I hope you win, you are a covers legend... 
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    so are we supposed to fade this play now that you put all the variables out there? isn't that what you alluded to in the previous thread? no pun intended bruh... I hope you win, you are a covers legend... 
     
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    Posted: Apr. 2, 2017 - 12:41 PM ET #9

    Helluva writeup but at some point you gotta start producing. Also, not that I care but weren't you 9-15 before yesterday's loss on the Magic? Anyway, BOL today scal 





    Don’t let the last play affect the next play
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    Helluva writeup but at some point you gotta start producing. Also, not that I care but weren't you 9-15 before yesterday's loss on the Magic? Anyway, BOL today scal 





     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Day-trader1:

    so are we supposed to fade this play now that you put all the variables out there? isn't that what you alluded to in the previous thread? no pun intended bruh... I hope you win, you are a covers legend... 

    Not only did I allude to it in other threads, I alluded to it in THIS thread:

    "DO I DISREGARD ALL THIS GIVEN MY RECENT RECORD?"

    I did not. I think there is too much here with a far better respective team than UCF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Day-trader1:

    so are we supposed to fade this play now that you put all the variables out there? isn't that what you alluded to in the previous thread? no pun intended bruh... I hope you win, you are a covers legend... 

    Not only did I allude to it in other threads, I alluded to it in THIS thread:

    "DO I DISREGARD ALL THIS GIVEN MY RECENT RECORD?"

    I did not. I think there is too much here with a far better respective team than UCF.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC_4_LIFE:

    Helluva writeup but at some point you gotta start producing. Also, not that I care but weren't you 9-15 before yesterday's loss on the Magic? Anyway, BOL today scal 






    Thank you. 9-16. It will be corrected. Keep an eye on that if you drop in my threads again. Needs to be correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC_4_LIFE:

    Helluva writeup but at some point you gotta start producing. Also, not that I care but weren't you 9-15 before yesterday's loss on the Magic? Anyway, BOL today scal 






    Thank you. 9-16. It will be corrected. Keep an eye on that if you drop in my threads again. Needs to be correct.
     
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    10-16 after this one.  

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    10-16 after this one.  

     
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    Posted: Apr. 2, 2017 - 12:55 PM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by RebelTell2:

    Have you ever watched Morgan William play? Monster heart, Scal. Never seen anything like it in all my years. You can't quantify heart.

    All your angles and numbers may be right but I'm betting the Dawgs +3.5.

    BOL,
    RT2

    Yes and she is a pleasure to watch. But she's not even the best player on the floor. SC has that player.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RebelTell2:

    Have you ever watched Morgan William play? Monster heart, Scal. Never seen anything like it in all my years. You can't quantify heart.

    All your angles and numbers may be right but I'm betting the Dawgs +3.5.

    BOL,
    RT2

    Yes and she is a pleasure to watch. But she's not even the best player on the floor. SC has that player.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 2, 2017 - 12:57 PM ET #14

    Quote Originally Posted by St2ee:

    10-16 after this one.  


    Hopefully stee.

    I cannot believe UCF blew up your teaser at +11. I was bother by that in addition to my loss. +ELEVEN somehow goes up in smoke with one of the best defensive teams in the nation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by St2ee:

    10-16 after this one.  


    Hopefully stee.

    I cannot believe UCF blew up your teaser at +11. I was bother by that in addition to my loss. +ELEVEN somehow goes up in smoke with one of the best defensive teams in the nation.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 2, 2017 - 1:33 PM ET #15

    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:


    Hopefully stee.

    I cannot believe UCF blew up your teaser at +11. I was bother by that in addition to my loss. +ELEVEN somehow goes up in smoke with one of the best defensive teams in the nation.
    I couldn't believe that one either buddy.  I did end up trying to middle, and I was sure glad I did.  No worries at all my brother. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:


    Hopefully stee.

    I cannot believe UCF blew up your teaser at +11. I was bother by that in addition to my loss. +ELEVEN somehow goes up in smoke with one of the best defensive teams in the nation.
    I couldn't believe that one either buddy.  I did end up trying to middle, and I was sure glad I did.  No worries at all my brother. 
     
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    Posted: Apr. 2, 2017 - 2:53 PM ET #16

    The letdown spot is a major factor in tennis,  i think with team sports it has less an impact. If it were to impact i think tonight is where it would strike given the UCONN streak. a 20.5 point favorite goes down.  ill take the lady cocks tonight.  GL all


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    The letdown spot is a major factor in tennis,  i think with team sports it has less an impact. If it were to impact i think tonight is where it would strike given the UCONN streak. a 20.5 point favorite goes down.  ill take the lady cocks tonight.  GL all


     
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    Posted: Apr. 2, 2017 - 2:53 PM ET #17

    Women just dont comeback most of the time for revenge games most of the time or make comebacks from other teams with huge leads. South Carolina moneyline all the way
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    Women just dont comeback most of the time for revenge games most of the time or make comebacks from other teams with huge leads. South Carolina moneyline all the way
     
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    Posted: Apr. 2, 2017 - 2:55 PM ET #18

    1H LadyCocks -2  -105
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    1H LadyCocks -2  -105
     
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    Posted: Apr. 2, 2017 - 4:59 PM ET #19

    Long Scal write-ups = epic fails

    Miss. St. +3.5 it is!!
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    Long Scal write-ups = epic fails

    Miss. St. +3.5 it is!!
     
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    Posted: Apr. 2, 2017 - 5:18 PM ET #20

    In Scal we trust on board for 1 unit. Let's  get this!
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    In Scal we trust on board for 1 unit. Let's  get this!
     
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    Posted: Apr. 2, 2017 - 7:15 PM ET #22

    Fantastic write-up! Cashed in first half, and looking to finish off the full game. I look forward to your analysis on UNC-Gonzaga tomorrow. Thank you!
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    Fantastic write-up! Cashed in first half, and looking to finish off the full game. I look forward to your analysis on UNC-Gonzaga tomorrow. Thank you!
     
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    Posted: Apr. 2, 2017 - 8:22 PM ET #23

    Snowman gave you 2-0,  hope you haters have to pay tomorrow (and learn a lesson about letdown psychology)


    nice hit Scal







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    Snowman gave you 2-0,  hope you haters have to pay tomorrow (and learn a lesson about letdown psychology)


    nice hit Scal







     
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    Posted: Apr. 2, 2017 - 8:30 PM ET #24

    Cash baby.  
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    Cash baby.  
     
     
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    Posted: Apr. 2, 2017 - 8:31 PM ET #25

    Quote Originally Posted by GimmeMoneyNow:

    Long Scal write-ups = epic fails

    Miss. St. +3.5 it is!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by GimmeMoneyNow:

    Long Scal write-ups = epic fails

    Miss. St. +3.5 it is!!


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