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    Purdue vs Kansas write-up: outlook for the dog

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    Posted: Mar. 22, 2017 - 11:54 AM ET #1

    Kansas is a hot public play after destroying Sparty 90-70. Can we expect a repeat against Purdue?  I think we are more likely to get something different, and that's because of the match-up. One aspect of which is Purdue's dominance in the interior.  The score in the Michigan State is actually quite deceiving. For one, Jackson had an amazing game. I attribute this to the emotion that was pushing him because of his ties to the Michigan State players and to Miles Bridges' awful defense. Two, Nick Ward, Sparty's big man, was in foul trouble during the game.  As their primary rebounder and rim protecter, he had to overextend himself against the better rebounding of Kansas and got a lot of fouls early on. Sparty was actually competitive with Kansas while he was on the court. At one point in the second half, the announcers mentioned that Sparty was -18 points without Ward on the court. They lost by 20, the spread was 8.

    So the interior play, I think, is an enormous factor for evaluating this game against the spread.  I expect Purdue's big men, Swanigan and Haas, to have a big game against a relatively soft interior of Kansas. Lucas will be last week's Ward, he should get in foul trouble against Purdue's strong interior. Let's look at some of Kansas' last big 12 games: at Baylor, Lucas had 4 fouls, and had just 8 points and 7 rebounds.  Being in foul trouble, he could not be as aggressive as he was against Sparty, where he had 10 points and 11 boards, and maintained a more significant presence inside. Against WVU the game before, he likewise had 4 fouls (8 points, 13 boards), and against the tall Red Raiders he had 4 fouls, (13 points and only 5 boards).  Against Purdue, I expect Lucas to get into foul trouble. Even with Lucas, I expect Purdue to dominate in rebounding and second chance points.   According to SBR: Versus Big 12 opponents pulling down more than 34.5 boards per game on the year, Kansas was 1-6 ATS (5-2 SU), failing to cover by 5.5 points per contest. The Boilermakers' 55.1 team total rebounding percentage ranks 11th nationally.   The rebounding differential has proven to be an edge in Kansas games and I think it will be one against Purdue. Kansas is simply outclassed in the interior.

    A major concern for a Purdue backer is Kansas' front court. Purdue has the 17th best defensive efficiency but they do not steal the ball and do not otherwise force turnovers. Mason, Jackson and Graham will definitely get their chances and they definitely have the talent to succeed. In Purdue's worst losses, they have had trouble guarding those guard/forwards who are able to drain threes but also drive to the basket. In their loss at Iowa, Jok scored 29, in their loss at Nebraska, Mcveigh scored 21, in their last loss vs Michigan, Wilson scored 26. Purdue's worst losses have tended to come on the road and usually also as large favorites. They tend to play down their opponents.  On neutral court, I think they have proven to be able to hang with the most offensively potent and guard-centered teams. They beat Notre Dame earlier in the season, they took Michigan to overtime, they beat Iowa State, shutting them down from the perimeter, as ISU had to claw its way back from an enormous deficit to still lose by 4, going overall 7/23 from behind the arc.

    One concern, still, is the home court advantage for Kansas. This advantage is factored into the line, as KenPom has Kansas winning by 3, and the line is 5. Kansas, however, is just 7-13 ATS at home. They tend to be overvalued at home, maybe they don't give their best performance at home (like San Diego Toreros, like the St. Louis Cardinals in baseball? I don't pretend to understand sports psychology). Whereas Purdue has held its own on neutral territory, including winning its last regular season road game at Northwestern.

    So, I think Purdue can stay within the spread. I don't see this as a large wager because I think Kansas definitely wins this one SU--I love the x-factors Jackson and Mason to ensure that they advance. But I think, in sum, it telling how consistently poorly ats Kansas has done in the Big 12 against the dominant rebounding teams, how competitive Sparty was when Ward was on the court, how poor ats Kansas is with home court advantage, and how Purdue enjoys a mental advantage when they are not large favorites. I think the public could bet this up to 5.5 or 6. Purdue scraped by at the end against Iowa State while Kansas lit the floor against Michigan State. This discrepancy in appearance could augment the value for Purdue. Maybe Jackson has a bit of a let-down after lighting up his old buddy Miles Bridge. But even if he doesn't, I feel pretty confident that they can stay within three possessions.
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    Kansas is a hot public play after destroying Sparty 90-70. Can we expect a repeat against Purdue?  I think we are more likely to get something different, and that's because of the match-up. One aspect of which is Purdue's dominance in the interior.  The score in the Michigan State is actually quite deceiving. For one, Jackson had an amazing game. I attribute this to the emotion that was pushing him because of his ties to the Michigan State players and to Miles Bridges' awful defense. Two, Nick Ward, Sparty's big man, was in foul trouble during the game.  As their primary rebounder and rim protecter, he had to overextend himself against the better rebounding of Kansas and got a lot of fouls early on. Sparty was actually competitive with Kansas while he was on the court. At one point in the second half, the announcers mentioned that Sparty was -18 points without Ward on the court. They lost by 20, the spread was 8.

    So the interior play, I think, is an enormous factor for evaluating this game against the spread.  I expect Purdue's big men, Swanigan and Haas, to have a big game against a relatively soft interior of Kansas. Lucas will be last week's Ward, he should get in foul trouble against Purdue's strong interior. Let's look at some of Kansas' last big 12 games: at Baylor, Lucas had 4 fouls, and had just 8 points and 7 rebounds.  Being in foul trouble, he could not be as aggressive as he was against Sparty, where he had 10 points and 11 boards, and maintained a more significant presence inside. Against WVU the game before, he likewise had 4 fouls (8 points, 13 boards), and against the tall Red Raiders he had 4 fouls, (13 points and only 5 boards).  Against Purdue, I expect Lucas to get into foul trouble. Even with Lucas, I expect Purdue to dominate in rebounding and second chance points.   According to SBR: Versus Big 12 opponents pulling down more than 34.5 boards per game on the year, Kansas was 1-6 ATS (5-2 SU), failing to cover by 5.5 points per contest. The Boilermakers' 55.1 team total rebounding percentage ranks 11th nationally.   The rebounding differential has proven to be an edge in Kansas games and I think it will be one against Purdue. Kansas is simply outclassed in the interior.

    A major concern for a Purdue backer is Kansas' front court. Purdue has the 17th best defensive efficiency but they do not steal the ball and do not otherwise force turnovers. Mason, Jackson and Graham will definitely get their chances and they definitely have the talent to succeed. In Purdue's worst losses, they have had trouble guarding those guard/forwards who are able to drain threes but also drive to the basket. In their loss at Iowa, Jok scored 29, in their loss at Nebraska, Mcveigh scored 21, in their last loss vs Michigan, Wilson scored 26. Purdue's worst losses have tended to come on the road and usually also as large favorites. They tend to play down their opponents.  On neutral court, I think they have proven to be able to hang with the most offensively potent and guard-centered teams. They beat Notre Dame earlier in the season, they took Michigan to overtime, they beat Iowa State, shutting them down from the perimeter, as ISU had to claw its way back from an enormous deficit to still lose by 4, going overall 7/23 from behind the arc.

    One concern, still, is the home court advantage for Kansas. This advantage is factored into the line, as KenPom has Kansas winning by 3, and the line is 5. Kansas, however, is just 7-13 ATS at home. They tend to be overvalued at home, maybe they don't give their best performance at home (like San Diego Toreros, like the St. Louis Cardinals in baseball? I don't pretend to understand sports psychology). Whereas Purdue has held its own on neutral territory, including winning its last regular season road game at Northwestern.

    So, I think Purdue can stay within the spread. I don't see this as a large wager because I think Kansas definitely wins this one SU--I love the x-factors Jackson and Mason to ensure that they advance. But I think, in sum, it telling how consistently poorly ats Kansas has done in the Big 12 against the dominant rebounding teams, how competitive Sparty was when Ward was on the court, how poor ats Kansas is with home court advantage, and how Purdue enjoys a mental advantage when they are not large favorites. I think the public could bet this up to 5.5 or 6. Purdue scraped by at the end against Iowa State while Kansas lit the floor against Michigan State. This discrepancy in appearance could augment the value for Purdue. Maybe Jackson has a bit of a let-down after lighting up his old buddy Miles Bridge. But even if he doesn't, I feel pretty confident that they can stay within three possessions.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 22, 2017 - 12:25 PM ET #2

    Proofread fixes:

    *Purdue took Michigan, who we now know to be final four material, to overtime. They smashed Sparty both home and away
    *that one Kansas cover against a dominant rebounding team came against Baylor, who had 16 turnovers in that game. Purdue is rated lightyears higher in offensive turnover % than Kansas, though. 
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    Proofread fixes:

    *Purdue took Michigan, who we now know to be final four material, to overtime. They smashed Sparty both home and away
    *that one Kansas cover against a dominant rebounding team came against Baylor, who had 16 turnovers in that game. Purdue is rated lightyears higher in offensive turnover % than Kansas, though. 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 22, 2017 - 12:28 PM ET #3

    Proofread of proofread: Than Baylor* lol sorry but hey alsö higher than Kansas defense
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    Proofread of proofread: Than Baylor* lol sorry but hey alsö higher than Kansas defense
     
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    Posted: Mar. 22, 2017 - 1:47 PM ET #4

    Superb analysis
    I was all Kansas and am glad to view your info. It may or may not happen but I know I'm informed .

    Leaning to Purdue now. Thanks
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    Superb analysis
    I was all Kansas and am glad to view your info. It may or may not happen but I know I'm informed .

    Leaning to Purdue now. Thanks
     
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    Posted: Mar. 22, 2017 - 1:48 PM ET #5

    I like your info

    Thank you
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    I like your info

    Thank you
     
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    Posted: Mar. 22, 2017 - 1:50 PM ET #6

    Spread opened 4. It moved to 5 merely on the fact that people don't know how to make their own lines and bet Kansas.

    I came up with 3.80 for what it's worth.

    Some trends:

    PU is 10-1 ats vs teams who score 77+pts pg
    KU is 5-5 ats vs the same parameters

    PU is 4-1 ats when the total is 155-159.5
    KU is 1-4 ats vs the same parameters

    PU is 6-1 ats on neutral
    KU is 5-5 ats on neutral

    PU is 4-2 ats last 6 as 3 to 6 point dogs anywhere

    KU is 2-3-1 ats last 6 as 3 to 6 point favs anywhere, 0-3-1 ats last 4



    Good stuff Jags, thanks for your thoughts. Let people bang away on Kansas. They will be 36 miles from home...as if their fans will help the ball go in the hoop or defend it.

    I would love 6, but might need to grab 5.5. Who knows
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    Spread opened 4. It moved to 5 merely on the fact that people don't know how to make their own lines and bet Kansas.

    I came up with 3.80 for what it's worth.

    Some trends:

    PU is 10-1 ats vs teams who score 77+pts pg
    KU is 5-5 ats vs the same parameters

    PU is 4-1 ats when the total is 155-159.5
    KU is 1-4 ats vs the same parameters

    PU is 6-1 ats on neutral
    KU is 5-5 ats on neutral

    PU is 4-2 ats last 6 as 3 to 6 point dogs anywhere

    KU is 2-3-1 ats last 6 as 3 to 6 point favs anywhere, 0-3-1 ats last 4



    Good stuff Jags, thanks for your thoughts. Let people bang away on Kansas. They will be 36 miles from home...as if their fans will help the ball go in the hoop or defend it.

    I would love 6, but might need to grab 5.5. Who knows
     
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    Posted: Mar. 22, 2017 - 1:52 PM ET #7

    Great info 
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    Great info 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 22, 2017 - 2:10 PM ET #8

    Without swanigan and maybe haas. Purdue is essentially worse than the Illinois and Iowas of the big 10. There frontcourt is the only reason why there relevant. There backcourt is disgustingly bad watching them. I couldn't back either team in this game but I'd back Kansas in Kansas city
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    Without swanigan and maybe haas. Purdue is essentially worse than the Illinois and Iowas of the big 10. There frontcourt is the only reason why there relevant. There backcourt is disgustingly bad watching them. I couldn't back either team in this game but I'd back Kansas in Kansas city
     
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    Posted: Mar. 22, 2017 - 2:13 PM ET #9

    5-17 shooting with 16 points combine for there 3 starting guards will not be or cover against Kansas. Kansas can just double and triple team inside. Thats how bad purdues guards are they'd be lucky to buy open shots.
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    5-17 shooting with 16 points combine for there 3 starting guards will not be or cover against Kansas. Kansas can just double and triple team inside. Thats how bad purdues guards are they'd be lucky to buy open shots.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 22, 2017 - 2:14 PM ET #10

    And Kansas' backcourt is the only reason why they're so hyped? Vincent Edwards has been having a great tourney so far. I look for him to keep this up
    BOL on your plays
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    And Kansas' backcourt is the only reason why they're so hyped? Vincent Edwards has been having a great tourney so far. I look for him to keep this up
    BOL on your plays
     
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    Posted: Mar. 22, 2017 - 2:16 PM ET #11

    Mathias definitely had an unusually bad game against ISU
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    Mathias definitely had an unusually bad game against ISU
     
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    Posted: Mar. 22, 2017 - 2:45 PM ET #12

    Take two of the best players off any team and they become worse. Not sure how that's relevant at all. Purdue also owns road wins at NW, Indiana, and Maryland for what it's worth.
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    Take two of the best players off any team and they become worse. Not sure how that's relevant at all. Purdue also owns road wins at NW, Indiana, and Maryland for what it's worth.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by supermanbets:

    Without swanigan and maybe haas. Purdue is essentially worse than the Illinois and Iowas of the big 10. There frontcourt is the only reason why there relevant. There backcourt is disgustingly bad watching them. I couldn't back either team in this game but I'd back Kansas in Kansas city

    Insert Mason and Jackson and KS is very average at best. I've been waiting and hoping this line would rise in favor of the Jayhawks. Purdue will ultimately get my money. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by supermanbets:

    Without swanigan and maybe haas. Purdue is essentially worse than the Illinois and Iowas of the big 10. There frontcourt is the only reason why there relevant. There backcourt is disgustingly bad watching them. I couldn't back either team in this game but I'd back Kansas in Kansas city

    Insert Mason and Jackson and KS is very average at best. I've been waiting and hoping this line would rise in favor of the Jayhawks. Purdue will ultimately get my money. 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 22, 2017 - 3:00 PM ET #14

    I put a future on Purdue to win it all.. 25-1 Odds
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    I put a future on Purdue to win it all.. 25-1 Odds
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by supermanbets:

    Without swanigan and maybe haas. Purdue is essentially worse than the Illinois and Iowas of the big 10. There frontcourt is the only reason why there relevant. There backcourt is disgustingly bad watching them. I couldn't back either team in this game but I'd back Kansas in Kansas city


    You are forgetting Edwards 
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    Quote Originally Posted by supermanbets:

    Without swanigan and maybe haas. Purdue is essentially worse than the Illinois and Iowas of the big 10. There frontcourt is the only reason why there relevant. There backcourt is disgustingly bad watching them. I couldn't back either team in this game but I'd back Kansas in Kansas city


    You are forgetting Edwards 
     
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    Take Michael Jordan out of the Bulls lineup in the 90's and they essentially become the Denver Nuggets
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    Take Michael Jordan out of the Bulls lineup in the 90's and they essentially become the Denver Nuggets
     
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    Posted: Mar. 22, 2017 - 3:15 PM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by supermanbets:

    Without swanigan and maybe haas. Purdue is essentially worse than the Illinois and Iowas of the big 10. There frontcourt is the only reason why there relevant. There backcourt is disgustingly bad watching them. I couldn't back either team in this game but I'd back Kansas in Kansas city

    You are dumb.  This post has ruined a brilliant thread.  Shame on you 
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    Quote Originally Posted by supermanbets:

    Without swanigan and maybe haas. Purdue is essentially worse than the Illinois and Iowas of the big 10. There frontcourt is the only reason why there relevant. There backcourt is disgustingly bad watching them. I couldn't back either team in this game but I'd back Kansas in Kansas city

    You are dumb.  This post has ruined a brilliant thread.  Shame on you 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 22, 2017 - 3:17 PM ET #18

    Micheal

    This is an amazing breakdown of the game.  I agree with you.  We may not get the result we are hoping for but it's Purdue on the play.  Getting a great inflated number too.

    Cheers!
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    Micheal

    This is an amazing breakdown of the game.  I agree with you.  We may not get the result we are hoping for but it's Purdue on the play.  Getting a great inflated number too.

    Cheers!
     
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    Posted: Mar. 22, 2017 - 4:03 PM ET #19

    Thanks for the insight. I hope they move on - I have a 35-1 Purdue future!
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    Thanks for the insight. I hope they move on - I have a 35-1 Purdue future!
     
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    Posted: Mar. 22, 2017 - 4:07 PM ET #20

    This game might be the biggest coaching mismatch of the tournament.
    buy $BTC
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    This game might be the biggest coaching mismatch of the tournament.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 22, 2017 - 4:39 PM ET #21

    didnt covers have an article a couple weeks back where they found some guy who put like 20k on purdue to win the title? coin flip game for me. gonna be tryin to hit both sides at + points ingame. GL with your bets
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    didnt covers have an article a couple weeks back where they found some guy who put like 20k on purdue to win the title? coin flip game for me. gonna be tryin to hit both sides at + points ingame. GL with your bets
     
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    Posted: Mar. 22, 2017 - 4:56 PM ET #22

     Superior analysis and write up ... thank you for your effort ... I am leaning towards Purdue this may have pushed me over the edge  .. Best of luck to you 
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     Superior analysis and write up ... thank you for your effort ... I am leaning towards Purdue this may have pushed me over the edge  .. Best of luck to you 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 22, 2017 - 5:21 PM ET #23

    Good write up.....Thanxs PJF,,,,
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    Good write up.....Thanxs PJF,,,,
     
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    Posted: Mar. 22, 2017 - 5:31 PM ET #24

    Quote Originally Posted by supermanbets:

    5-17 shooting with 16 points combine for there 3 starting guards will not be or cover against Kansas. Kansas can just double and triple team inside. Thats how bad purdues guards are they'd be lucky to buy open shots.


    Purdue has 5 guys that shot over 40% from 3.  They may have had a bad game, but don't be fooled, they can light you up. 

    Mathias - 45.8% (led Big10) on 155 attempts
    Swanigan - 43.2% on 81 attempts
    V. Edwards - 42.5% on 102
    Cline - 40.6% on 106
    Thompson - 40.2% on 127

    I'd be shocked if there is another team in the nation that has 5 guys over 40% from 3 on the year.  It's due to their inside/outside game getting good looks.  Kansas will probably have to double Swanigan.  When they do, he will kick to someone who is over 40% from 3 with over 100 attempts on the year...I like those odds. 

    Jags/Sac thanks for the awesome words/numbers.  I'll be on Purdue.  The only thing that gives me pause is the potential that Jackson could be breaking out in route to the draft, similar to Carmelo's tourney.
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    Quote Originally Posted by supermanbets:

    5-17 shooting with 16 points combine for there 3 starting guards will not be or cover against Kansas. Kansas can just double and triple team inside. Thats how bad purdues guards are they'd be lucky to buy open shots.


    Purdue has 5 guys that shot over 40% from 3.  They may have had a bad game, but don't be fooled, they can light you up. 

    Mathias - 45.8% (led Big10) on 155 attempts
    Swanigan - 43.2% on 81 attempts
    V. Edwards - 42.5% on 102
    Cline - 40.6% on 106
    Thompson - 40.2% on 127

    I'd be shocked if there is another team in the nation that has 5 guys over 40% from 3 on the year.  It's due to their inside/outside game getting good looks.  Kansas will probably have to double Swanigan.  When they do, he will kick to someone who is over 40% from 3 with over 100 attempts on the year...I like those odds. 

    Jags/Sac thanks for the awesome words/numbers.  I'll be on Purdue.  The only thing that gives me pause is the potential that Jackson could be breaking out in route to the draft, similar to Carmelo's tourney.
     
     
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    Posted: Mar. 22, 2017 - 10:47 PM ET #25

    Awesome write-up Green, thanks for the addition.

    I'm kinda surprised the line has stayed put, maybe cause it's already inflated it won't go up despite all the public money on K. Then maybe the books get slammed with a huge Purdue wager?
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    Awesome write-up Green, thanks for the addition.

    I'm kinda surprised the line has stayed put, maybe cause it's already inflated it won't go up despite all the public money on K. Then maybe the books get slammed with a huge Purdue wager?
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