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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2010 - 2:31 PM ET #1

    Can this be hedged properly with say a $200 wager.  sounds doable if they make it to sweet 16.  If they can hold on and be a 2 or 3 seed this is tempting.

    I see Couple sites they are 20-1 or so, but I can get these odds right now.

    Thoughts??

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    Can this be hedged properly with say a $200 wager.  sounds doable if they make it to sweet 16.  If they can hold on and be a 2 or 3 seed this is tempting.

    I see Couple sites they are 20-1 or so, but I can get these odds right now.

    Thoughts??

     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2010 - 2:33 PM ET #2

    great odds!
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2010 - 2:33 PM ET #3

    Not worth it either way, the team has no shot at winning it all.  Can't win if you can't shoot or at least have a go to guy.
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    Not worth it either way, the team has no shot at winning it all.  Can't win if you can't shoot or at least have a go to guy.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2010 - 2:35 PM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by JGalt:

    Not worth it either way, the team has no shot at winning it all.  Can't win if you can't shoot or at least have a go to guy.


    and how did they beat Texas again? I'm sorry, but every team has a shot once they get in the tournament -- and I like their chances to at least make it a couple rounds deep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JGalt:

    Not worth it either way, the team has no shot at winning it all.  Can't win if you can't shoot or at least have a go to guy.


    and how did they beat Texas again? I'm sorry, but every team has a shot once they get in the tournament -- and I like their chances to at least make it a couple rounds deep.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2010 - 2:46 PM ET #5

    I agree Money.  This team can make a run if Kelly and Samuels keep getting better and the freshman are looking better every week.  It will free up Pullen and Clemente for some open looks.

    I didn't say they could win it all, but $ can be made off this I think.

    F it, I'm putting $100 on them

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    I agree Money.  This team can make a run if Kelly and Samuels keep getting better and the freshman are looking better every week.  It will free up Pullen and Clemente for some open looks.

    I didn't say they could win it all, but $ can be made off this I think.

    F it, I'm putting $100 on them

     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2010 - 3:44 PM ET #6

    I have the same odds w/ local, may put some on it
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    I have the same odds w/ local, may put some on it
     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2010 - 3:48 PM ET #7

    you might be able to hedge in the Final 8.  And get some decent odds, because if they make it that far as a 2 or 3 seed, they wil still be like +200 to win against a team like Michigan State or Duke.  I doubt u can hedge in the sweet 16 and make it work.  Thats 4 more games they would still have to win, 100-1 might do it, but it would probably be better till the final 8 when they start to be dogs.

     

    As a two seed, which they should get, how many two seeds will have beaten a number 1 team?  They will be favoured till the final 8 most likely.

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    you might be able to hedge in the Final 8.  And get some decent odds, because if they make it that far as a 2 or 3 seed, they wil still be like +200 to win against a team like Michigan State or Duke.  I doubt u can hedge in the sweet 16 and make it work.  Thats 4 more games they would still have to win, 100-1 might do it, but it would probably be better till the final 8 when they start to be dogs.

     

    As a two seed, which they should get, how many two seeds will have beaten a number 1 team?  They will be favoured till the final 8 most likely.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2010 - 1:44 PM ET #8

    I have them 50 to win 5k, how are you gonna play yours?
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    I have them 50 to win 5k, how are you gonna play yours?
     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2010 - 2:01 PM ET #9

    Got them at 75/1 a couple months ago- only for $20.  If they make it to E 8, I'd say its time for hedging
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    Got them at 75/1 a couple months ago- only for $20.  If they make it to E 8, I'd say its time for hedging
     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2010 - 2:28 PM ET #10

    thats what i was thinking but maybe sweet 16 depending on the odds given(if they make it)
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    thats what i was thinking but maybe sweet 16 depending on the odds given(if they make it)
     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2010 - 2:30 PM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by JGalt:

    Not worth it either way, the team has no shot at winning it all.  Can't win if you can't shoot or at least have a go to guy.

     

    Kansas State has a couple of pretty good (if streaky) shooters in Clemente and Pullen. They rebound well and play pretty good defense.

    Personally, I don't think they'll win it all, but their bracket sets up very well for them to reach the regional final and if there are couple of upsets around, they have a shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JGalt:

    Not worth it either way, the team has no shot at winning it all.  Can't win if you can't shoot or at least have a go to guy.

     

    Kansas State has a couple of pretty good (if streaky) shooters in Clemente and Pullen. They rebound well and play pretty good defense.

    Personally, I don't think they'll win it all, but their bracket sets up very well for them to reach the regional final and if there are couple of upsets around, they have a shot.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2010 - 2:36 PM ET #12

    its definately worth $100 to win $10,000

    if they get into the sweet 16, they wont be more than 6 point dogs to anyone imo and therefore you will have great hedging opportunities


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    its definately worth $100 to win $10,000

    if they get into the sweet 16, they wont be more than 6 point dogs to anyone imo and therefore you will have great hedging opportunities


     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2010 - 3:00 PM ET #13

    I see a problem with this bet. I broke it down in an example

    For example, $50 at 100 to 1 yields $5000

    Hedge rules

    1. If Kansas St is favored play the other team against the spread

    2. If Kansas St is a dog play the other team's money line

    Kansas St will likely be favored in the sweet 16 matchup, assuming they get there. If you took the other side ats for say, $165, you will guarantee yourself $100 profit, or the prop bet will stay alive for another round and you can continue to hedge. If Kansas St makes it to the elite 8, you have to wager enough to cover the $165, the original $50, and however much you feel comfortable betting to make a profit. The problem I see with this bet is if Kansas and K St meet in the final 4. If this occurs, in our example we will likely be in for somewhere between $500 and $1000 on your hedges. In order to make this work we would have to play the Kansas money line, which is going to be a big bet. If Kansas is -400, it will cost too much to continue hedging. Think about it, and if you have any questions on my reasoning, let me know. Just trying to be helpful.

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    I see a problem with this bet. I broke it down in an example

    For example, $50 at 100 to 1 yields $5000

    Hedge rules

    1. If Kansas St is favored play the other team against the spread

    2. If Kansas St is a dog play the other team's money line

    Kansas St will likely be favored in the sweet 16 matchup, assuming they get there. If you took the other side ats for say, $165, you will guarantee yourself $100 profit, or the prop bet will stay alive for another round and you can continue to hedge. If Kansas St makes it to the elite 8, you have to wager enough to cover the $165, the original $50, and however much you feel comfortable betting to make a profit. The problem I see with this bet is if Kansas and K St meet in the final 4. If this occurs, in our example we will likely be in for somewhere between $500 and $1000 on your hedges. In order to make this work we would have to play the Kansas money line, which is going to be a big bet. If Kansas is -400, it will cost too much to continue hedging. Think about it, and if you have any questions on my reasoning, let me know. Just trying to be helpful.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterson23:

    you might be able to hedge in the Final 8.  And get some decent odds, because if they make it that far as a 2 or 3 seed, they wil still be like +200 to win against a team like Michigan State or Duke.  I doubt u can hedge in the sweet 16 and make it work.  Thats 4 more games they would still have to win, 100-1 might do it, but it would probably be better till the final 8 when they start to be dogs.

     

    As a two seed, which they should get, how many two seeds will have beaten a number 1 team?  They will be favoured till the final 8 most likely.

    You're crazy. Kansas State would not be +200 against Michigan State  The Wildcats would be a small favorite. Also, they wouldn't be +200 against Duke. They'd probably be a 2 or 3 point dog maximum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterson23:

    you might be able to hedge in the Final 8.  And get some decent odds, because if they make it that far as a 2 or 3 seed, they wil still be like +200 to win against a team like Michigan State or Duke.  I doubt u can hedge in the sweet 16 and make it work.  Thats 4 more games they would still have to win, 100-1 might do it, but it would probably be better till the final 8 when they start to be dogs.

     

    As a two seed, which they should get, how many two seeds will have beaten a number 1 team?  They will be favoured till the final 8 most likely.

    You're crazy. Kansas State would not be +200 against Michigan State  The Wildcats would be a small favorite. Also, they wouldn't be +200 against Duke. They'd probably be a 2 or 3 point dog maximum.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 16, 2010 - 5:15 AM ET #15

    Kansas State have a good chance because their crazy coach will not accept failure.  lol
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    Kansas State have a good chance because their crazy coach will not accept failure.  lol
     
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    Posted: Mar. 22, 2010 - 12:41 PM ET #16

    still alive 
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    Posted: Mar. 22, 2010 - 12:46 PM ET #17

    hedge here, i think xavier beats the wildcats.
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    hedge here, i think xavier beats the wildcats.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 22, 2010 - 12:48 PM ET #18

    syracuse beats them in elite 8
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    syracuse beats them in elite 8
     
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    Posted: Mar. 23, 2010 - 12:25 PM ET #20

    So is it even worth trying to hedge for a profit here? Im thinking not and that I need to wait it out another round to see what develops...Or just put .5 unit on Xavier +5 to recoup the future bet if it loses...
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    So is it even worth trying to hedge for a profit here? Im thinking not and that I need to wait it out another round to see what develops...Or just put .5 unit on Xavier +5 to recoup the future bet if it loses...
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ncsutodd1193:

    So is it even worth trying to hedge for a profit here? Im thinking not and that I need to wait it out another round to see what develops...Or just put .5 unit on Xavier +5 to recoup the future bet if it loses...

    I would do that.  If you try to hedge for a profit, it will get expensive if they keep winning & covering.  Also, at +5, you have a  great chance that KSU wins but doesn't covers, which is the best case scenario for you.  Good Luck...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncsutodd1193:

    So is it even worth trying to hedge for a profit here? Im thinking not and that I need to wait it out another round to see what develops...Or just put .5 unit on Xavier +5 to recoup the future bet if it loses...

    I would do that.  If you try to hedge for a profit, it will get expensive if they keep winning & covering.  Also, at +5, you have a  great chance that KSU wins but doesn't covers, which is the best case scenario for you.  Good Luck...

     
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    Posted: Mar. 23, 2010 - 12:58 PM ET #22

    Still need to wait till they win at least another game before you hedge..best of luck buddy, really like that team
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    Still need to wait till they win at least another game before you hedge..best of luck buddy, really like that team
     
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    Posted: Mar. 23, 2010 - 2:06 PM ET #23

    [Quote: Originally Posted by Money2theBank]

    and how did they beat Texas again? I'm sorry, but every team has a shot once they get in the tournament -- and I like their chances to at least make it a couple rounds deep.

    Don't understand--Everybody beat TEXAS!!!!  K-State good enough to bet SU  vs their next opponent!

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    [Quote: Originally Posted by Money2theBank]

    and how did they beat Texas again? I'm sorry, but every team has a shot once they get in the tournament -- and I like their chances to at least make it a couple rounds deep.

    Don't understand--Everybody beat TEXAS!!!!  K-State good enough to bet SU  vs their next opponent!

     
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