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    Who do Americans View as more Sincere and Believable after Watching shooting speech Obama /Palin ?

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    Posted: Jan. 16, 2011 - 11:00 AM ET #1

     A new national study among 1,437 self-reported Democrats, Republicans and Independents revealed that Americans indicated that Sarah Palin was more sincere and believable after viewing her speech in response to the shootings in Tucson.

    The study was conducted during January 13-14 by HCD Research and reported on its MediaCurvesdot, to obtain Americans’ perceptions of Sarah Palin after viewing a video of a speech she gave in response to the shootings in Tucson.

    Here is the raw data. 81% of Republicans and 56% of independents concluded that the speech will help her image and 78% of Republicans and 54% of independents concluded that the speech will help her in a potential presidential run.

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     A new national study among 1,437 self-reported Democrats, Republicans and Independents revealed that Americans indicated that Sarah Palin was more sincere and believable after viewing her speech in response to the shootings in Tucson.

    The study was conducted during January 13-14 by HCD Research and reported on its MediaCurvesdot, to obtain Americans’ perceptions of Sarah Palin after viewing a video of a speech she gave in response to the shootings in Tucson.

    Here is the raw data. 81% of Republicans and 56% of independents concluded that the speech will help her image and 78% of Republicans and 54% of independents concluded that the speech will help her in a potential presidential run.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 16, 2011 - 3:39 PM ET #2

    well, it's funny how polls fly in the face of one's experience.  this poll was relatively small <1,500 subjects total.  Not sure of their method. 

    Either way, Palin responded at a lower level, taking a defensive and more personal approach.  I'm sure that she triggered some favorable responses, since most people can related to being blamed for something they're not responsible for.

    But, to me, her speech was pretty debased, bottom-feeder type of stuff.
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    well, it's funny how polls fly in the face of one's experience.  this poll was relatively small <1,500 subjects total.  Not sure of their method. 

    Either way, Palin responded at a lower level, taking a defensive and more personal approach.  I'm sure that she triggered some favorable responses, since most people can related to being blamed for something they're not responsible for.

    But, to me, her speech was pretty debased, bottom-feeder type of stuff.
     
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    Basically, I thought that Sarah Palin, since she's not The President, had more latitude in her response.  She used that latitude to stand up for Sarah Palin, to heal Sara Palin's image.  Obama, restricted by his position, stood for healing both sides, for healing America.  Was he genuine?  I really have no idea with any of these people anymore, but it felt genuine.  I was moved, which always helps.  I thought Sarah Palin delivered one of her worst speeches and was off more than on.  She never appeared genuine, but since she's attractive, she didn't need to deliver any actual content to woo her audience.  She's a white beauty pageant winner vs an African-American many believe isn't even an American.  What do you think the polls will show?

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    Basically, I thought that Sarah Palin, since she's not The President, had more latitude in her response.  She used that latitude to stand up for Sarah Palin, to heal Sara Palin's image.  Obama, restricted by his position, stood for healing both sides, for healing America.  Was he genuine?  I really have no idea with any of these people anymore, but it felt genuine.  I was moved, which always helps.  I thought Sarah Palin delivered one of her worst speeches and was off more than on.  She never appeared genuine, but since she's attractive, she didn't need to deliver any actual content to woo her audience.  She's a white beauty pageant winner vs an African-American many believe isn't even an American.  What do you think the polls will show?

     
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    Posted: Jan. 16, 2011 - 3:52 PM ET #4

    I'm assuming it was a phone poll. Statisticians do not take phone polls seriously.

    I'm amazed by how many bad polls influence debate.





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    I'm assuming it was a phone poll. Statisticians do not take phone polls seriously.

    I'm amazed by how many bad polls influence debate.





     
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    Posted: Jan. 16, 2011 - 4:05 PM ET #5

    it looks like HDC conducts "fun" internet questionnaires.  Not a phone poll.
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    it looks like HDC conducts "fun" internet questionnaires.  Not a phone poll.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 16, 2011 - 4:12 PM ET #6

    I don't know anyone left in the United States who finds Obama "believable" anymore.  This guy has lied to this country time and time again with a straight face...

    Obama is basically a laughing stock every time he speaks... just spewing a bunch of diarrhea per usual
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    I don't know anyone left in the United States who finds Obama "believable" anymore.  This guy has lied to this country time and time again with a straight face...

    Obama is basically a laughing stock every time he speaks... just spewing a bunch of diarrhea per usual
     
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    Posted: Jan. 16, 2011 - 4:29 PM ET #7

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    Maybe you're confusing the business of campaigning with breaking promises.
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    Maybe you're confusing the business of campaigning with breaking promises.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 16, 2011 - 4:41 PM ET #8

    Nonscientific polling

    Straw polls and other nonscientific surveys are based on indiscriminate collections of people’s opinions, while responsible surveys are based on scientific methods of sampling, data collection, and analysis. Yet, because they are so easy to obtain, data derived from nonscientific methods are often confused with responsible survey results. At best, they reflect only the views of those who choose to respond. But they are also used as tools of “spin” by those who wish to put forth a particular slant on popular opinion. Referred to as “voodoo polls” by some polling experts, they lack the statistical significance achieved through proven sampling methods, and they have grown increasingly prevalent—especially on Web sites. Given the number of Internet opinion polls that are nonscientific, communications theorist James Beniger observed that they are just as unrepresentative as call-in polls (frequently sponsored by television and radio stations), pseudo-ballots (published in many magazines and newspapers), straw polls, and the “hands up” of the studio audience. None of these approaches can properly measure or represent public opinion.

    The limitations of self-selecting samples should be obvious, because the spread of views expressed will represent only those people who saw or heard the invitation to respond to the poll. Yet such polling practices remain popular. They are frequently the tools of radio and television programs and newspapers that wish to encourage audience participation. But instead of recognizing their entertainment value (many will agree that these polls ought to be fun) and treating them accordingly, reporters too often present the results as serious and objective measures of public opinion.

    This encourages interested political parties, campaign managers, or pressure groups to manipulate the outcomes to their advantage. They may attempt to skew the results or administer their own competing straw polls with the goal of contradicting the outcomes of properly conducted representative surveys. To take full advantage of this manipulation, the straw poll sponsor often issues press releases calling attention to the results. To further lend the poll an appearance of credibility, its sponsor might also describe it as having been published by a leading newspaper or a reputable news organization, even if it appeared only in a paid advertisement.

    Interest groups such as the American Association for Public Opinion Research (AAPOR), the European Society for Opinion Marketing and Research, and the World Association for Public Opinion Research serve a watchdog role regarding opinion polling. To assist reporters as well as the general public in their understanding of poll results, AAPOR published a list of guidelines for determining the credibility of online polls. A reliable poll should indicate, for example, whether its results were based on sampling procedures that gave each member of a population a fair chance of being selected and whether each respondent was limited to one and only one chance of participating in the poll; it should also state the response rate. According to AAPOR, outcomes that fail to meet criteria such as these should not be included in news reports.

    In fact, anyone judging the overall reliability of a survey will scrutinize a number of factors. These include the exact wording of the questions used, the degree to which particular results are based on the whole sample or on small parts of it, the method of interviewing (whether by telephone, mail, or Internet survey or face-to-face), the dates over which the interviewing was conducted (intervening events frequently make people change their opinions), and the identity of the sponsor as well as the reputation of the organization conducting the poll. One signal that the poll may have been conducted by less-experienced researchers is the reporting of findings in decimal points, a practice that indicates questionable accuracy. A poll of at least 10,000 people would be required before statistically reliable interpretations could be carried to the first decimal point. The visual presentation of the results should also be checked. Frequently, graphics can be designed to mislead or confuse the reader or viewer into thinking that the responses to the poll differed from the raw figures the poll actually indicated.




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    Nonscientific polling

    Straw polls and other nonscientific surveys are based on indiscriminate collections of people’s opinions, while responsible surveys are based on scientific methods of sampling, data collection, and analysis. Yet, because they are so easy to obtain, data derived from nonscientific methods are often confused with responsible survey results. At best, they reflect only the views of those who choose to respond. But they are also used as tools of “spin” by those who wish to put forth a particular slant on popular opinion. Referred to as “voodoo polls” by some polling experts, they lack the statistical significance achieved through proven sampling methods, and they have grown increasingly prevalent—especially on Web sites. Given the number of Internet opinion polls that are nonscientific, communications theorist James Beniger observed that they are just as unrepresentative as call-in polls (frequently sponsored by television and radio stations), pseudo-ballots (published in many magazines and newspapers), straw polls, and the “hands up” of the studio audience. None of these approaches can properly measure or represent public opinion.

    The limitations of self-selecting samples should be obvious, because the spread of views expressed will represent only those people who saw or heard the invitation to respond to the poll. Yet such polling practices remain popular. They are frequently the tools of radio and television programs and newspapers that wish to encourage audience participation. But instead of recognizing their entertainment value (many will agree that these polls ought to be fun) and treating them accordingly, reporters too often present the results as serious and objective measures of public opinion.

    This encourages interested political parties, campaign managers, or pressure groups to manipulate the outcomes to their advantage. They may attempt to skew the results or administer their own competing straw polls with the goal of contradicting the outcomes of properly conducted representative surveys. To take full advantage of this manipulation, the straw poll sponsor often issues press releases calling attention to the results. To further lend the poll an appearance of credibility, its sponsor might also describe it as having been published by a leading newspaper or a reputable news organization, even if it appeared only in a paid advertisement.

    Interest groups such as the American Association for Public Opinion Research (AAPOR), the European Society for Opinion Marketing and Research, and the World Association for Public Opinion Research serve a watchdog role regarding opinion polling. To assist reporters as well as the general public in their understanding of poll results, AAPOR published a list of guidelines for determining the credibility of online polls. A reliable poll should indicate, for example, whether its results were based on sampling procedures that gave each member of a population a fair chance of being selected and whether each respondent was limited to one and only one chance of participating in the poll; it should also state the response rate. According to AAPOR, outcomes that fail to meet criteria such as these should not be included in news reports.

    In fact, anyone judging the overall reliability of a survey will scrutinize a number of factors. These include the exact wording of the questions used, the degree to which particular results are based on the whole sample or on small parts of it, the method of interviewing (whether by telephone, mail, or Internet survey or face-to-face), the dates over which the interviewing was conducted (intervening events frequently make people change their opinions), and the identity of the sponsor as well as the reputation of the organization conducting the poll. One signal that the poll may have been conducted by less-experienced researchers is the reporting of findings in decimal points, a practice that indicates questionable accuracy. A poll of at least 10,000 people would be required before statistically reliable interpretations could be carried to the first decimal point. The visual presentation of the results should also be checked. Frequently, graphics can be designed to mislead or confuse the reader or viewer into thinking that the responses to the poll differed from the raw figures the poll actually indicated.




     
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    Posted: Jan. 16, 2011 - 5:23 PM ET #9

    "She's a white beauty pageant winner vs an African-American "

    ..and she's someone who doesn't have to hyphenate her Americanism.

    Palin is the antiObama, that's why the left has been doing an exorcist head-spin over her ...and wilding on her for over two years ..

    Notice how liberal men ..almost always mention her good looks,because for the most part... they are frightened of women and even more frightened of women that are good looking ..

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    "She's a white beauty pageant winner vs an African-American "

    ..and she's someone who doesn't have to hyphenate her Americanism.

    Palin is the antiObama, that's why the left has been doing an exorcist head-spin over her ...and wilding on her for over two years ..

    Notice how liberal men ..almost always mention her good looks,because for the most part... they are frightened of women and even more frightened of women that are good looking ..

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    "She's a white beauty pageant winner vs an African-American "

    ..and she's someone who doesn't have to hyphenate her Americanism.

    Palin is the antiObama, that's why the left has been doing an exorcist head-spin over her ...and wilding on her for over two years ..

    Notice how liberal men ..almost always mention her good looks,because for the most part... they are frightened of women and even more frightened of women that are good looking ..

    I do not think that the Democrats are even remotely scared of this sarah palin woman posing any threats to obama campaign? You truly believe she has a chance to defeat obama in 2012 to become the President of the United States of America?  I don't think she has a chance at all at even giving obama a run for his money.

    In fact, many well-known and well-respected republicans are disappointed that she is the face of their party at the moment, and many have not even donated their usual lump sums to the GOP.

    Here read this short article and tell me what you think:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/13/AR2011011305667.html?sid=ST2011011400568

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    "She's a white beauty pageant winner vs an African-American "

    ..and she's someone who doesn't have to hyphenate her Americanism.

    Palin is the antiObama, that's why the left has been doing an exorcist head-spin over her ...and wilding on her for over two years ..

    Notice how liberal men ..almost always mention her good looks,because for the most part... they are frightened of women and even more frightened of women that are good looking ..

    I do not think that the Democrats are even remotely scared of this sarah palin woman posing any threats to obama campaign? You truly believe she has a chance to defeat obama in 2012 to become the President of the United States of America?  I don't think she has a chance at all at even giving obama a run for his money.

    In fact, many well-known and well-respected republicans are disappointed that she is the face of their party at the moment, and many have not even donated their usual lump sums to the GOP.

    Here read this short article and tell me what you think:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/13/AR2011011305667.html?sid=ST2011011400568

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    "She's a white beauty pageant winner vs an African-American "

    ..and she's someone who doesn't have to hyphenate her Americanism.

    Palin is the antiObama, that's why the left has been doing an exorcist head-spin over her ...and wilding on her for over two years ..

    Notice how liberal men ..almost always mention her good looks,because for the most part... they are frightened of women and even more frightened of women that are good looking ..



    No, I mention her good looks because it goes a long way toward explaining those favorable results of the poll you originated.  Its been proven over and over again that attraction is mistaken for a whole list of other positive adjectives. 

    "Liberal men are frightened of attractive women"
    huh?!


    - I'd love to hear your arguments supporting that incredulous assertion. 


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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    "She's a white beauty pageant winner vs an African-American "

    ..and she's someone who doesn't have to hyphenate her Americanism.

    Palin is the antiObama, that's why the left has been doing an exorcist head-spin over her ...and wilding on her for over two years ..

    Notice how liberal men ..almost always mention her good looks,because for the most part... they are frightened of women and even more frightened of women that are good looking ..



    No, I mention her good looks because it goes a long way toward explaining those favorable results of the poll you originated.  Its been proven over and over again that attraction is mistaken for a whole list of other positive adjectives. 

    "Liberal men are frightened of attractive women"
    huh?!


    - I'd love to hear your arguments supporting that incredulous assertion. 


     
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    Posted: Jan. 16, 2011 - 6:48 PM ET #12

    Stin,

    Because of the RNC's recent lack of good Chairman leadership and their support for RINO"s in this past election... Party conservatives are donating directly to individual candidates...that's why RNC supported candidates lost to a field of no-name candidates in Nov..

    Sarah Palin is not the face of the Republican Party.. regardless of how much the MSM try's to paint her as the one ...how can she be the face of the R-party when at this time, as you say most old guard Repulicans are not in her corner?

    The face of the Republican party is like a moving target at this time, because it's going thru a internal tranformation -needed after Bush 43 - (Grand Old Party vs.the New Tea Party )

    The next face of the Party will emerge during the primaries after the debates  ..and when that person is finally ID'ed the corporate political donations will be there and in the $100's of millions ...you betcha!

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    Stin,

    Because of the RNC's recent lack of good Chairman leadership and their support for RINO"s in this past election... Party conservatives are donating directly to individual candidates...that's why RNC supported candidates lost to a field of no-name candidates in Nov..

    Sarah Palin is not the face of the Republican Party.. regardless of how much the MSM try's to paint her as the one ...how can she be the face of the R-party when at this time, as you say most old guard Repulicans are not in her corner?

    The face of the Republican party is like a moving target at this time, because it's going thru a internal tranformation -needed after Bush 43 - (Grand Old Party vs.the New Tea Party )

    The next face of the Party will emerge during the primaries after the debates  ..and when that person is finally ID'ed the corporate political donations will be there and in the $100's of millions ...you betcha!

     
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    As attractive as Sarah Palin is, I can't think of a better face for the GOP!  I mean, let's see what she represents pretty well: a return to tradition; conservative family values; anti-abortion and anti-gay marriage; opposes environmental advocacy groups; is Ameri-centric in her world view; supports closed borders; openly co-mingles her religious values with her political duties; pro hunting and pro gun rights; supports private investment answers; opposes socialized medicine; supports military budgetary increases; opposes "big" government. 

    I mean, how is she not the face of the GOP?  The problem with Sarah Palin is that she stands for the Republican values all to well; and only in its concentrated form manifested through her does it look truly insane. 

    I would argue that Jesse Jackson is the Democratic Party's equivalent.  Remember how popular he was in the mid to late eighties?  And just like Sarah Palin, the party's response to Jackson was chagrin. 


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    As attractive as Sarah Palin is, I can't think of a better face for the GOP!  I mean, let's see what she represents pretty well: a return to tradition; conservative family values; anti-abortion and anti-gay marriage; opposes environmental advocacy groups; is Ameri-centric in her world view; supports closed borders; openly co-mingles her religious values with her political duties; pro hunting and pro gun rights; supports private investment answers; opposes socialized medicine; supports military budgetary increases; opposes "big" government. 

    I mean, how is she not the face of the GOP?  The problem with Sarah Palin is that she stands for the Republican values all to well; and only in its concentrated form manifested through her does it look truly insane. 

    I would argue that Jesse Jackson is the Democratic Party's equivalent.  Remember how popular he was in the mid to late eighties?  And just like Sarah Palin, the party's response to Jackson was chagrin. 


     
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    she's someone who doesn't have to hyphenate her Americanism

    Then let me hyphenate it for her: Half-baked.

     

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    she's someone who doesn't have to hyphenate her Americanism

    Then let me hyphenate it for her: Half-baked.

     

     
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    Anent.... Liberal men ( and they are a deminishing breed) are frightened of attractive women..because they are so use to female supremacy by bra-burning, manish women like the Janet's Reno and Napolotano,Hillary Clinton ,Nasty Pelosi ect..etc  that they are confused   when a attractive women is politically strong and  who is not angry,man-hating and fugly...   therefore it frightens them.

    But having said all that ,I gotta hand it to the liberals, they are not afraid of swapping gender roles....

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    Anent.... Liberal men ( and they are a deminishing breed) are frightened of attractive women..because they are so use to female supremacy by bra-burning, manish women like the Janet's Reno and Napolotano,Hillary Clinton ,Nasty Pelosi ect..etc  that they are confused   when a attractive women is politically strong and  who is not angry,man-hating and fugly...   therefore it frightens them.

    But having said all that ,I gotta hand it to the liberals, they are not afraid of swapping gender roles....

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by UberDog:

    she's someone who doesn't have to hyphenate her Americanism

    Then let me hyphenate it for her: Half-baked.

    Now that's pretty good Uberdog ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by UberDog:

    she's someone who doesn't have to hyphenate her Americanism

    Then let me hyphenate it for her: Half-baked.

    Now that's pretty good Uberdog ...

     
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    But how do you explain the liberals hanging out with all the sunshine girls practin' free love?


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    But how do you explain the liberals hanging out with all the sunshine girls practin' free love?


     
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    I do agree the feminism fucked with the heads of us liberal dudes.

    But basically, when I think of liberal, I think of sex.  When I think of conservative, I think of marriage. 
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    I do agree the feminism fucked with the heads of us liberal dudes.

    But basically, when I think of liberal, I think of sex.  When I think of conservative, I think of marriage. 
     
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    "But how do you explain the liberals hanging out with all the sunshine girls practin' free love?'

    If those girls are practicing free love, -which really doesn't take much practice-  than remember it's also free to the guy next to you and the next to him and so on ... 

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    "But how do you explain the liberals hanging out with all the sunshine girls practin' free love?'

    If those girls are practicing free love, -which really doesn't take much practice-  than remember it's also free to the guy next to you and the next to him and so on ... 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anent:

    I do agree the feminism fucked with the heads of us liberal dudes.

    But basically,when I think of liberal, I think of sex.  When I think of conservative, I think of marriage. 

     

    That's about it Anent ,marry a conservative and screw all the liberals............

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anent:

    I do agree the feminism fucked with the heads of us liberal dudes.

    But basically,when I think of liberal, I think of sex.  When I think of conservative, I think of marriage. 

     

    That's about it Anent ,marry a conservative and screw all the liberals............

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Stin,

    Because of the RNC's recent lack of good Chairman leadership and their support for RINO"s in this past election... Party conservatives are donating directly to individual candidates...that's why RNC supported candidates lost to a field of no-name candidates in Nov..

    Sarah Palin is not the face of the Republican Party.. regardless of how much the MSM try's to paint her as the one ...how can she be the face of the R-party when at this time, as you say most old guard Repulicans are not in her corner?

    The face of the Republican party is like a moving target at this time, because it's going thru a internal tranformation -needed after Bush 43 - (Grand Old Party vs.the New Tea Party )

    The next face of the Party will emerge during the primaries after the debates  ..and when that person is finally ID'ed the corporate political donations will be there and in the $100's of millions ...you betcha!

    Well I 'll tell you what, when Sarah Palin is the only republican that is getting all of the attention on Fox News, MSNBC, the Washington Post, NY times etc......

    I believe it is safe to say right now she is the face of the republican party. You can argue that point all you want but the truth of the matter is, is that she has manipulated all of the news outlets in to reporting on her every move. So to say she isnt the face of the republican party shows you are in fact emabarrassed by her.  But that is good. You should be. By reading through this thread you seem to be a gung-ho conservative republican.  That's good you should always stand for what you believe in, and stand proudly.

    But I think you understand the Sarah Palin is not an intellectual and would never make a good President. There's no beating around the bush on that one. And almost everyone with their head on straight would agree with me.

    I'm not going to go in to detail about her resume and how bad of a candidate she is because all of that information is well-known and recognized by the populous.

    But I will say this, if you look at how Obama rose to power and his campaigning tactics. He was absolutely brilliant. Whether you agree with his polices or not right now. That's irrelevant.  Obama broke on to the seen with a great plan to take office.

    The repblicans are not united right now. And that is a tremendous problem, there is absolutely no unity within the GOP. They desperately  need someone to take the bull by the horns as they say and stand up to become the face of this party or else there is no doubt that Obama will win in 2012. Because, frankly I dont think there is a viable candidate right now to run against him.

    I will ask you this question. If sarah palin is the nominee in 2012  to run against Obama, who will you vote for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Stin,

    Because of the RNC's recent lack of good Chairman leadership and their support for RINO"s in this past election... Party conservatives are donating directly to individual candidates...that's why RNC supported candidates lost to a field of no-name candidates in Nov..

    Sarah Palin is not the face of the Republican Party.. regardless of how much the MSM try's to paint her as the one ...how can she be the face of the R-party when at this time, as you say most old guard Repulicans are not in her corner?

    The face of the Republican party is like a moving target at this time, because it's going thru a internal tranformation -needed after Bush 43 - (Grand Old Party vs.the New Tea Party )

    The next face of the Party will emerge during the primaries after the debates  ..and when that person is finally ID'ed the corporate political donations will be there and in the $100's of millions ...you betcha!

    Well I 'll tell you what, when Sarah Palin is the only republican that is getting all of the attention on Fox News, MSNBC, the Washington Post, NY times etc......

    I believe it is safe to say right now she is the face of the republican party. You can argue that point all you want but the truth of the matter is, is that she has manipulated all of the news outlets in to reporting on her every move. So to say she isnt the face of the republican party shows you are in fact emabarrassed by her.  But that is good. You should be. By reading through this thread you seem to be a gung-ho conservative republican.  That's good you should always stand for what you believe in, and stand proudly.

    But I think you understand the Sarah Palin is not an intellectual and would never make a good President. There's no beating around the bush on that one. And almost everyone with their head on straight would agree with me.

    I'm not going to go in to detail about her resume and how bad of a candidate she is because all of that information is well-known and recognized by the populous.

    But I will say this, if you look at how Obama rose to power and his campaigning tactics. He was absolutely brilliant. Whether you agree with his polices or not right now. That's irrelevant.  Obama broke on to the seen with a great plan to take office.

    The repblicans are not united right now. And that is a tremendous problem, there is absolutely no unity within the GOP. They desperately  need someone to take the bull by the horns as they say and stand up to become the face of this party or else there is no doubt that Obama will win in 2012. Because, frankly I dont think there is a viable candidate right now to run against him.

    I will ask you this question. If sarah palin is the nominee in 2012  to run against Obama, who will you vote for?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stiln:

    I do not think that the Democrats are even remotely scared of this sarah palin woman posing any threats to obama campaign? You truly believe she has a chance to defeat obama in 2012 to become the President of the United States of America?  I don't think she has a chance at all at even giving obama a run for his money.

    In fact, many well-known and well-respected republicans are disappointed that she is the face of their party at the moment, and many have not even donated their usual lump sums to the GOP.

    Here read this short article and tell me what you think:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/13/AR2011011305667.html?sid=ST2011011400568

     



    dj would have you believe im the second coming of dick cheney, and i dont think palin would win in 12, BUT, if dems dont think she would win, then why in the world are so obsessed with every little thing she does? to me that means they are scared of her.  do they pay any attention to guys like romney or jindal or daniels? no, its all palin all the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stiln:

    I do not think that the Democrats are even remotely scared of this sarah palin woman posing any threats to obama campaign? You truly believe she has a chance to defeat obama in 2012 to become the President of the United States of America?  I don't think she has a chance at all at even giving obama a run for his money.

    In fact, many well-known and well-respected republicans are disappointed that she is the face of their party at the moment, and many have not even donated their usual lump sums to the GOP.

    Here read this short article and tell me what you think:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/13/AR2011011305667.html?sid=ST2011011400568

     



    dj would have you believe im the second coming of dick cheney, and i dont think palin would win in 12, BUT, if dems dont think she would win, then why in the world are so obsessed with every little thing she does? to me that means they are scared of her.  do they pay any attention to guys like romney or jindal or daniels? no, its all palin all the time.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by steveshane67:



    dj would have you believe im the second coming of dick cheney, and i dont think palin would win in 12, BUT, if dems dont think she would win, then why in the world are so obsessed with every little thing she does? to me that means they are scared of her.  do they pay any attention to guys like romney or jindal or daniels? no, its all palin all the time.

    Welcome to politics my friend!

    But in all seriousness it's mostly newspapers, internet sources, and other media outlets that waste their time worrying about palin, not the democratic politicians.  Let the media outlets do what they do best, entertain people!

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    Quote Originally Posted by steveshane67:



    dj would have you believe im the second coming of dick cheney, and i dont think palin would win in 12, BUT, if dems dont think she would win, then why in the world are so obsessed with every little thing she does? to me that means they are scared of her.  do they pay any attention to guys like romney or jindal or daniels? no, its all palin all the time.

    Welcome to politics my friend!

    But in all seriousness it's mostly newspapers, internet sources, and other media outlets that waste their time worrying about palin, not the democratic politicians.  Let the media outlets do what they do best, entertain people!

     
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    Stin,

    As I posted the liberal MSM has made Palin the face of the "R" party .but they are not the one's who get to choose the face come election time ...MSNBC, the Washington Post, NY times are all liberal news outlets ...

    ..and as far as voting for Palin or Obama in 2012 ...I will vote for ANYONE except Obama  I'll put it that way ...

    The one thing that Palin does have,that Obama doesn't ..when she speaks with clarity you know what she is saying... whereas after Obama say's something it takes four liberal bobble heads on cable TV. to translate it for us ...

    e.g.  'I think what Obama is saying is ,blah blah'' or 'What Obama means when he say's so and so is '....

    Now you are correct Obama's Chicago machine campaigning tactics were brillant ..just beating Hillary was a unbelievable accomplishment to say the least ...

    But the problem is he never stopped campaigning ,,,and because of his lack of management skills he has not surrounded hinself with good advisors ..and has made some reeeeally bad appointment posts ..no people with business knowledge ...at a time when it is most needed ...

    In fact I believe now, that his main crew has either resigned or fled back to Chicago to work on his "12" election the only one's besides Michelle and Mother-in-law Mrs.Robertson giving him advice is his political godmother Valerie Jarrett ..the one who hired Michelle to work in Mayor Daley's organization...

    So as I see it, one can only be as good as the people they surround themselves with and that give them advice ....( mother warning here.. people judge you by the company you keep)

    So far President Obama has not done a very bad job of keeping good company ..and advisors that can help him, help us and this country ..unless you think his speeches, that produce very little o what he say's make you feel good inside ...

    ....and when you say "The repblicans are not united right now" you are also correct ,but don't fool yourself there is more distention in the Democrat Party today, than in the Republican party,,,the Repubs have a two year head start on the D-party as far as getting it together ...

    Democrat politicians have seen this last Nov., that voting for Obama's personal agenda regardless of the will of their constituents... will only get them fired by the voters as fast as you can say "Obamacare "........

    Personally I really doubt if Palin will run or be in the finals in 2012 ..why would she want to ? 

    Think about it she has got it made in the shade with Koolaid ...book deals, TV shows,$100K a pop plus speaking engagements, cable news advisorships ..she is not loved by all but she is loved by many...there is also a saying  'you are judged by the people that hate you' ...well looking at the people that hate Palin ...is one reason why I like her ...

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    Stin,

    As I posted the liberal MSM has made Palin the face of the "R" party .but they are not the one's who get to choose the face come election time ...MSNBC, the Washington Post, NY times are all liberal news outlets ...

    ..and as far as voting for Palin or Obama in 2012 ...I will vote for ANYONE except Obama  I'll put it that way ...

    The one thing that Palin does have,that Obama doesn't ..when she speaks with clarity you know what she is saying... whereas after Obama say's something it takes four liberal bobble heads on cable TV. to translate it for us ...

    e.g.  'I think what Obama is saying is ,blah blah'' or 'What Obama means when he say's so and so is '....

    Now you are correct Obama's Chicago machine campaigning tactics were brillant ..just beating Hillary was a unbelievable accomplishment to say the least ...

    But the problem is he never stopped campaigning ,,,and because of his lack of management skills he has not surrounded hinself with good advisors ..and has made some reeeeally bad appointment posts ..no people with business knowledge ...at a time when it is most needed ...

    In fact I believe now, that his main crew has either resigned or fled back to Chicago to work on his "12" election the only one's besides Michelle and Mother-in-law Mrs.Robertson giving him advice is his political godmother Valerie Jarrett ..the one who hired Michelle to work in Mayor Daley's organization...

    So as I see it, one can only be as good as the people they surround themselves with and that give them advice ....( mother warning here.. people judge you by the company you keep)

    So far President Obama has not done a very bad job of keeping good company ..and advisors that can help him, help us and this country ..unless you think his speeches, that produce very little o what he say's make you feel good inside ...

    ....and when you say "The repblicans are not united right now" you are also correct ,but don't fool yourself there is more distention in the Democrat Party today, than in the Republican party,,,the Repubs have a two year head start on the D-party as far as getting it together ...

    Democrat politicians have seen this last Nov., that voting for Obama's personal agenda regardless of the will of their constituents... will only get them fired by the voters as fast as you can say "Obamacare "........

    Personally I really doubt if Palin will run or be in the finals in 2012 ..why would she want to ? 

    Think about it she has got it made in the shade with Koolaid ...book deals, TV shows,$100K a pop plus speaking engagements, cable news advisorships ..she is not loved by all but she is loved by many...there is also a saying  'you are judged by the people that hate you' ...well looking at the people that hate Palin ...is one reason why I like her ...

     
     
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    the dems pay attention to Palin because the public pays attention to Palin.  it's not very complicated.


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    the dems pay attention to Palin because the public pays attention to Palin.  it's not very complicated.


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