Who do Americans View as more Sincere and Believable after Watching shooting speech Obama /Palin ?

True to some extent. Others also keep recycling her name because they want her to enter the Republican primary--some because they are supporters; and some, more cynically, because they want her to win with her base and then get beat running against Obama in the general

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Quote Originally Posted by woopdurritis:



Captain idiot to the rescue.  Making the assumption that ALL politicians are "lying charlatans" 

SurfApe... Everyone is bad, the world is out to get me, every politician is bad, everyone lies, everyone cheats...

You are a strange little man...

@ Sara

It’s Stiln, with an L not stin.

The Washington post and the New York Times are not liberal outlets, lets be a little be a little more rational when making such bold statements about some of the most popular newspapers in the country.  Both papers have staunch republicans writing op ed pieces supporting the Conservative party and disparaging Obama.  David Brooks, Ross G. Douthat, Bill Kristol,  etc….. are all staunch conservatives on the NY Times staff. I also read the Washington Post every day, and it is certainly not a liberal newspaper by any means.  I can name several right wing editors who write for the Washington Post every day: George Will, Marc Thiessen, Robert Kagan Robert Samuelson, and my favorite conservative Michael Gerson. 

Saying you will vote for anyone besides Obama is not a very intelligent method of examining candidates my friend.  I’m not going to get into all of Obama’s miscues and accomplishments but I feel he has done the best job with the current economic status and the position this country is in right now.  No more time to simply, “play the course” which is what Bush did and left us with incalculable amounts of debt.  Of course Obama has just furthered our debt has a nation.  That was inevitable; he needed to pass laws and the largest stimulus package in the history of the United States of America.  Whether the stimulus package was a success It is really hard to tell yet. Has it created more jobs?  Of course.  Has is created the amount of jobs that he wanted to provide for the American people, no way.   But it’s still very early in his presidency and we will see how effective his polices have been in about 4 years when he is reelected in 2012 because let’s face it Sara he will be the president in 3 years. 

The republicans are in complete shambles right now and there’s no beating around the bush with that comment. There is no unison within the GOP.   The hapless Republican Party has no candidate that is strong and willing to stand forward and be “that guy.” Because let’s face it Sara Palin, Bobby Jindal, Jeb Bush, Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee, Rudy, Graham etc….. In my honest opinion do not any of these fellas posing any serious threat to Obama’s reelection in 2012. If you truly believe they do then keep your optimism. That’s good for!

You said: “The one thing that Palin does have,that Obama doesn't ..when she speaks with clarity you know what she is saying... whereas after Obama say's something it takes four liberal bobble heads on cable TV. to translate it for us ...”

How can you say such a thing about a man that has arguably been the best public speaking president of all time? This country doesn’t need another person that can’t read a teleprompt correctly. That was the reason Bush was portrayed so badly, he was a horrible public-speaker. Not bad, he was atrocious at speaking to the public, and that is why he gave the least amount of press conferences as any president since the early 1900’s.  He was terrified to speak to the public because he would make up words, slur his words, sounded like he had the vocabulary of a highschooler.

But with all of that being said I will say this. The lack of public speaking skills that Bush demonstrated was one of the major reasons he was portrayed so horribly by the public and media outlets. In terms of grading his presidency, he wasn’t the worst president of all time but he;s certainly up there.  The Iraq War detracted most of his polices from every going anywhere and that was ultimately how he got reelected in 2004.  

I wouldn’t criticize Obama’s staff and who he has hired to help him make decision. If you look at some of the individuals that Bush put in place to help him you would laugh. Perhaps you don’t know.  George Tenet was the CIA director who could possibly be one of the worst men to ever run  the CIA in the history of this nation.  He let one of the biggest attack on our soil happen be negating intelligence that was given to them. The head of FEMA Michael D. Brown was not qualified by any means to run FEMA. For christ’s sake he was a horse racing owner prior to his hiring. Bush got his little group of friends to help with the Iraq War and neglected to listen to any information from outside sources and maintained polices that were so outlandish I don’t even know where to begin. And I supported the Iraq War from the get go. But guys like Paul Wolfowitz who Bush hired as a the deputy secretary of defense was just as bad as the donald rumsfeld hiring. These guys had no clue how to run a war and failed to ever listen to our Military commanders, and Marine Officers that knew more about what was going on in the Middle East than Bush ever did.

Don’t get me started on Obama’s health care reform which has probably been one of his most outstanding accomplishments this year. I don’t want to hear anyone criticizing the fact that he has helped insure 32 million Americans that do not have health care.  Do you find that morally acceptable that the poorest citizens who can’t afford to pay for health care cannot give their children even the most basic checkups that are characterized by all of kinds important vaccinations? Obama had to make a change to our health care system. This was long due. IF you go around the globe and examine 1^st world democratized nations and take a look at their health care systems you will see that they insure and provide health care to everyone that lives in that nation because they understand how important it is to make sure the people living in that country can stay healthy.

How old are you?

This is the internet no need to go apeshit about one comment, my friend

I said arguably, not the best. And of course FDR, Reagan, JFK and Obama are all up there.

Thread conclusion :

If someone want's to hear a really good speech at a wake President Obama is ..the man.