Warpath is right that guy is money, my friend turned me on to another guy that does the exact same thing and he is equally as good, my buddy's been using him for like a year or so! I don't know if i can post his site or not but it is completely free like MisterMJ's.
I don't want to be put in the penalty box for life.
Because of what Warpath said earlier in the week, i broke down and bought PSIC's service, no bull-shit 1-0 tonight, 3-0 last night, a push(one play) 3 nights ago, and 4 nights ago he went 1-1 the lost was N.O. when Chris Paul got hurt, we should have won that game(out scored 36-13 in the 4th! As you can tell i'm still salty about that game. Well needless to say i'm happy with the 4 days of service so far. I'll keep you posted, this guy seems like he knows what he's doing. CPK was right the customer service is very good as well! This guy actually returns phone calls!
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Warpath is right that guy is money, my friend turned me on to another guy that does the exact same thing and he is equally as good, my buddy's been using him for like a year or so! I don't know if i can post his site or not but it is completely free like MisterMJ's.
I don't want to be put in the penalty box for life.
Because of what Warpath said earlier in the week, i broke down and bought PSIC's service, no bull-shit 1-0 tonight, 3-0 last night, a push(one play) 3 nights ago, and 4 nights ago he went 1-1 the lost was N.O. when Chris Paul got hurt, we should have won that game(out scored 36-13 in the 4th! As you can tell i'm still salty about that game. Well needless to say i'm happy with the 4 days of service so far. I'll keep you posted, this guy seems like he knows what he's doing. CPK was right the customer service is very good as well! This guy actually returns phone calls!
warpath...good call on mister mj....seems solid and even though I've ha a great almost 2 weeks with PSIC's program it never hurts to add extra winners to the portfolio.
Marlon....did you ever give out that link to the guy who does like mister mj?.
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warpath...good call on mister mj....seems solid and even though I've ha a great almost 2 weeks with PSIC's program it never hurts to add extra winners to the portfolio.
Marlon....did you ever give out that link to the guy who does like mister mj?.
Are all of PSIC's picks based on chase stratagies except for the spot plays? And what is the progression in amounts wagered? Did the John Morrison thing a few years back and got wiped out in MLB.
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Are all of PSIC's picks based on chase stratagies except for the spot plays? And what is the progression in amounts wagered? Did the John Morrison thing a few years back and got wiped out in MLB.
Are all of PSIC's picks based on chase stratagies except for the spot plays? And what is the progression in amounts wagered? Did the John Morrison thing a few years back and got wiped out in MLB.
Jerm73,
Alot of people got wiped out with Morrison's MLB, mainly because of his money management (or there lack of) Just found out that a friend of mine has Morrison and NBA has be good, all though he (Morrison) just played Toronto an (A) bet and a (B) bet and lost them both, so now you are expected to bet a (C) bet on Toronto for I think over 5 units! PSIC uses (as WARPATH) was explaining last week, the labourchere money management system (his big thing seem to be, "protect the bankroll") and as far as his plays, he does use some sort of system, I don't know how he gets his plays, I know he uses the famous east/west system but he did not have Toronto yesterday so I am not sure? Yesterday he had 3 college games and went 3-0, so I guess you call those spot plays, I don't know about MLB but the system he's got going in the NBA and college hoops works (so far).
Oh, as far as his progressions in amounts wagered, look in the covers archives and PSIC has all knids of posts about the labourchere money management and explains it a hell of alot better than I can. GL
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Quote Originally Posted by jerm73:
Are all of PSIC's picks based on chase stratagies except for the spot plays? And what is the progression in amounts wagered? Did the John Morrison thing a few years back and got wiped out in MLB.
Jerm73,
Alot of people got wiped out with Morrison's MLB, mainly because of his money management (or there lack of) Just found out that a friend of mine has Morrison and NBA has be good, all though he (Morrison) just played Toronto an (A) bet and a (B) bet and lost them both, so now you are expected to bet a (C) bet on Toronto for I think over 5 units! PSIC uses (as WARPATH) was explaining last week, the labourchere money management system (his big thing seem to be, "protect the bankroll") and as far as his plays, he does use some sort of system, I don't know how he gets his plays, I know he uses the famous east/west system but he did not have Toronto yesterday so I am not sure? Yesterday he had 3 college games and went 3-0, so I guess you call those spot plays, I don't know about MLB but the system he's got going in the NBA and college hoops works (so far).
Oh, as far as his progressions in amounts wagered, look in the covers archives and PSIC has all knids of posts about the labourchere money management and explains it a hell of alot better than I can. GL
Jerm........I actually called and asked PSIC and the plays are not all based on progression strategies. He told me that since many people like progressions he has tweeked the "system" plays to fit progression type money management. As marlon mentioned..."spot Plays' are just that a one time play. He also said that the plays are strong enough to be played in progression or just as stand alone plays because overall you'll be in the low to mid 60's%
So far I haven't seen anything do disagree as I've only had 2 losing days in nearly 3 weeks. He emailed me a seperate money management method for people who don't want to or like to play progressions. I can post it if anyone wants.
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Jerm........I actually called and asked PSIC and the plays are not all based on progression strategies. He told me that since many people like progressions he has tweeked the "system" plays to fit progression type money management. As marlon mentioned..."spot Plays' are just that a one time play. He also said that the plays are strong enough to be played in progression or just as stand alone plays because overall you'll be in the low to mid 60's%
So far I haven't seen anything do disagree as I've only had 2 losing days in nearly 3 weeks. He emailed me a seperate money management method for people who don't want to or like to play progressions. I can post it if anyone wants.
Matt....he emailed me what he calls the 10% Money Management. Since the picks will hit over 60% flat anyway instead of chasing or even using the Labourchere you can play like this.
"Determine a safe starting wager. This is usually between 2% and 4% and never more than 5% of your bankroll. For larger bankrolls if you can be satisfied with 1 or 2 % that is idea.
Next, you will play every game that day for the same amount. On your daily email it doesn't matter if this team is game 2 or that one is game 1...the systems are ONLY A VEHICLE to create our selections. Play them all the same.
Each day that you have a winning day, raise your bet by 10-15%. Each day that is a losing day, lower your bet by 15% unless you are at your base wager.
Very simple...this method allows you to be raising your bet into hot streaks and lowering your wagers if things go cold. You can play a more conservative version by playing every game for the entire week the same amount and then after each winning week raise your wager and after each losing week lower your wager. I do recommend the daily method."
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Matt....he emailed me what he calls the 10% Money Management. Since the picks will hit over 60% flat anyway instead of chasing or even using the Labourchere you can play like this.
"Determine a safe starting wager. This is usually between 2% and 4% and never more than 5% of your bankroll. For larger bankrolls if you can be satisfied with 1 or 2 % that is idea.
Next, you will play every game that day for the same amount. On your daily email it doesn't matter if this team is game 2 or that one is game 1...the systems are ONLY A VEHICLE to create our selections. Play them all the same.
Each day that you have a winning day, raise your bet by 10-15%. Each day that is a losing day, lower your bet by 15% unless you are at your base wager.
Very simple...this method allows you to be raising your bet into hot streaks and lowering your wagers if things go cold. You can play a more conservative version by playing every game for the entire week the same amount and then after each winning week raise your wager and after each losing week lower your wager. I do recommend the daily method."
Guys, just to add my 2 cents.....I have Morrison's system as well, but I would never in a million years play it the way he recommends......and although the system has been great in NBA it does bother me that he likes to revise history, with his baseball filter that he applied after the fact and that eliminated some of his late season losses, and with the sacramento kings loss in NBA....kind of sleezy but whatever....
Anyway, the way I play it is with strictly flat betting....and in terms of buying points, I play a half unit with the regular line, and a half unit buying 2 points (I refuse to pay more than -150).....this way I can at least break even if the extra points come into play, as happened when the Clippers were in Cleveland (I had half at +15 and half at +17 and they lost by 16).....and my average juice works out to -130....
If you are flat betting, the current record on game 1's is 36-20, including 3-0 today (Spurs, Knicks and Suns), and the record on game 2's is 18-2......game 3's are 0-1 with Toronto being a play on Tuesday.....so with flat betting my record is 54-23.....which I think we can all agree is pretty spectacular.....
I think you have to be insane to follow the 3-game chase system at -170....just think about it.....game 1 you wager $170 to win $100....now game 2 you have to win $270 at -170 which requires you to wager $460.....now game 3 you are down $630, so you have to win $730 again at -170 which requires you to wager $1240....so a system loss costs you $1870.....so if you see a record of 80-4 at the end of the year, he has basically broken even.....the way I play it, if the Raptors lose on Tuesday, I will have lost just under 4 units with juice, instead of almost 19.....I can't even imagine having to wager over $1200 on the Raptors, just to net a $100 profit....
So basically if you are smart with your money management, you can use his system to great profit because the fundamentals of the system are pretty strong......I guess when a team goes on an extended road trip they tend to focus more without the distractions of home and come together as a team, which leads to an ATS cover in the first 3 games.....
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Guys, just to add my 2 cents.....I have Morrison's system as well, but I would never in a million years play it the way he recommends......and although the system has been great in NBA it does bother me that he likes to revise history, with his baseball filter that he applied after the fact and that eliminated some of his late season losses, and with the sacramento kings loss in NBA....kind of sleezy but whatever....
Anyway, the way I play it is with strictly flat betting....and in terms of buying points, I play a half unit with the regular line, and a half unit buying 2 points (I refuse to pay more than -150).....this way I can at least break even if the extra points come into play, as happened when the Clippers were in Cleveland (I had half at +15 and half at +17 and they lost by 16).....and my average juice works out to -130....
If you are flat betting, the current record on game 1's is 36-20, including 3-0 today (Spurs, Knicks and Suns), and the record on game 2's is 18-2......game 3's are 0-1 with Toronto being a play on Tuesday.....so with flat betting my record is 54-23.....which I think we can all agree is pretty spectacular.....
I think you have to be insane to follow the 3-game chase system at -170....just think about it.....game 1 you wager $170 to win $100....now game 2 you have to win $270 at -170 which requires you to wager $460.....now game 3 you are down $630, so you have to win $730 again at -170 which requires you to wager $1240....so a system loss costs you $1870.....so if you see a record of 80-4 at the end of the year, he has basically broken even.....the way I play it, if the Raptors lose on Tuesday, I will have lost just under 4 units with juice, instead of almost 19.....I can't even imagine having to wager over $1200 on the Raptors, just to net a $100 profit....
So basically if you are smart with your money management, you can use his system to great profit because the fundamentals of the system are pretty strong......I guess when a team goes on an extended road trip they tend to focus more without the distractions of home and come together as a team, which leads to an ATS cover in the first 3 games.....
Guys, just to add my 2 cents.....I have Morrison's system as well, but I would never in a million years play it the way he recommends......and although the system has been great in NBA it does bother me that he likes to revise history, with his baseball filter that he applied after the fact and that eliminated some of his late season losses, and with the sacramento kings loss in NBA....kind of sleezy but whatever....
Anyway, the way I play it is with strictly flat betting....and in terms of buying points, I play a half unit with the regular line, and a half unit buying 2 points (I refuse to pay more than -150).....this way I can at least break even if the extra points come into play, as happened when the Clippers were in Cleveland (I had half at +15 and half at +17 and they lost by 16).....and my average juice works out to -130....
If you are flat betting, the current record on game 1's is 36-20, including 3-0 today (Spurs, Knicks and Suns), and the record on game 2's is 18-2......game 3's are 0-1 with Toronto being a play on Tuesday.....so with flat betting my record is 54-23.....which I think we can all agree is pretty spectacular.....
I think you have to be insane to follow the 3-game chase system at -170....just think about it.....game 1 you wager $170 to win $100....now game 2 you have to win $270 at -170 which requires you to wager $460.....now game 3 you are down $630, so you have to win $730 again at -170 which requires you to wager $1240....so a system loss costs you $1870.....so if you see a record of 80-4 at the end of the year, he has basically broken even.....the way I play it, if the Raptors lose on Tuesday, I will have lost just under 4 units with juice, instead of almost 19.....I can't even imagine having to wager over $1200 on the Raptors, just to net a $100 profit....
So basically if you are smart with your money management, you can use his system to great profit because the fundamentals of the system are pretty strong......I guess when a team goes on an extended road trip they tend to focus more without the distractions of home and come together as a team, which leads to an ATS cover in the first 3 games.....
Just to clarify: When you say flat betting are you still chasing or just playing every game for lets say a unit? Also is this including buying points or straight up?
Thanks for the time !
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Quote Originally Posted by RussellK:
Guys, just to add my 2 cents.....I have Morrison's system as well, but I would never in a million years play it the way he recommends......and although the system has been great in NBA it does bother me that he likes to revise history, with his baseball filter that he applied after the fact and that eliminated some of his late season losses, and with the sacramento kings loss in NBA....kind of sleezy but whatever....
Anyway, the way I play it is with strictly flat betting....and in terms of buying points, I play a half unit with the regular line, and a half unit buying 2 points (I refuse to pay more than -150).....this way I can at least break even if the extra points come into play, as happened when the Clippers were in Cleveland (I had half at +15 and half at +17 and they lost by 16).....and my average juice works out to -130....
If you are flat betting, the current record on game 1's is 36-20, including 3-0 today (Spurs, Knicks and Suns), and the record on game 2's is 18-2......game 3's are 0-1 with Toronto being a play on Tuesday.....so with flat betting my record is 54-23.....which I think we can all agree is pretty spectacular.....
I think you have to be insane to follow the 3-game chase system at -170....just think about it.....game 1 you wager $170 to win $100....now game 2 you have to win $270 at -170 which requires you to wager $460.....now game 3 you are down $630, so you have to win $730 again at -170 which requires you to wager $1240....so a system loss costs you $1870.....so if you see a record of 80-4 at the end of the year, he has basically broken even.....the way I play it, if the Raptors lose on Tuesday, I will have lost just under 4 units with juice, instead of almost 19.....I can't even imagine having to wager over $1200 on the Raptors, just to net a $100 profit....
So basically if you are smart with your money management, you can use his system to great profit because the fundamentals of the system are pretty strong......I guess when a team goes on an extended road trip they tend to focus more without the distractions of home and come together as a team, which leads to an ATS cover in the first 3 games.....
Just to clarify: When you say flat betting are you still chasing or just playing every game for lets say a unit? Also is this including buying points or straight up?
I would also like to turn you guys onto ABATS, which some of you may remember from last summer....they are posting on a blog, just google honest dog handicapping to find it.....this is a computer simulation type system but it has been on absolute fire recently.....they went 1-1 today which brings the record for the past 19 days to 34-12, with only 1 losing day at 1-2.....they are posting for free right now but do have plans to start charging shortly....however, they will do something that I believe is unique and that is to charge at the end of the subscription instead of the beginning.....so if you buy a 1 month package, you pay at the end of the month....if the picks turn out to be crap, obviously you won't pay, but if they are great, you will pay to keep them coming....I just find that to be the most honest way of touting....
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I would also like to turn you guys onto ABATS, which some of you may remember from last summer....they are posting on a blog, just google honest dog handicapping to find it.....this is a computer simulation type system but it has been on absolute fire recently.....they went 1-1 today which brings the record for the past 19 days to 34-12, with only 1 losing day at 1-2.....they are posting for free right now but do have plans to start charging shortly....however, they will do something that I believe is unique and that is to charge at the end of the subscription instead of the beginning.....so if you buy a 1 month package, you pay at the end of the month....if the picks turn out to be crap, obviously you won't pay, but if they are great, you will pay to keep them coming....I just find that to be the most honest way of touting....
Just to clarify: When you say flat betting are you still chasing or just playing every game for lets say a unit? Also is this including buying points or straight up?
Thanks for the time !
Dude, did you even read my post?
Well by definition flat betting means betting the same amount on every bet, so definitely no chasing.....1 unit on every bet......and I split the bet up so it's a half unit at the regular line and half with the extra points.....this way I somewhat minimize the juice while still allowing me to at least break even if the extra points become relevant.....
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Quote Originally Posted by HeaVin-Cent:
Just to clarify: When you say flat betting are you still chasing or just playing every game for lets say a unit? Also is this including buying points or straight up?
Thanks for the time !
Dude, did you even read my post?
Well by definition flat betting means betting the same amount on every bet, so definitely no chasing.....1 unit on every bet......and I split the bet up so it's a half unit at the regular line and half with the extra points.....this way I somewhat minimize the juice while still allowing me to at least break even if the extra points become relevant.....
warpath...good call on mister mj....seems solid and even though I've ha a great almost 2 weeks with PSIC's program it never hurts to add extra winners to the portfolio.
Marlon....did you ever give out that link to the guy who does like mister mj?.
No CPK,
I told you I don't want to be put in the penalty box for life. If you have any other ideas lt me know, by the way those FREE PICKS were 2-0 again last night, jump on JERM73!
I'll figure out a way to get you guys that web-site/blogspot without getting banned!
JERM73, by the way PSIC was 4-0 last night in the NBA! $$$$
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Quote Originally Posted by cpk007:
warpath...good call on mister mj....seems solid and even though I've ha a great almost 2 weeks with PSIC's program it never hurts to add extra winners to the portfolio.
Marlon....did you ever give out that link to the guy who does like mister mj?.
No CPK,
I told you I don't want to be put in the penalty box for life. If you have any other ideas lt me know, by the way those FREE PICKS were 2-0 again last night, jump on JERM73!
I'll figure out a way to get you guys that web-site/blogspot without getting banned!
JERM73, by the way PSIC was 4-0 last night in the NBA! $$$$
Fellas, I dug through the PSIC archives and retrieved his modified Labourchere money management system and will attach it below.. For those who blindly play Morrison NBA via a Martingale chase progression, then the "pucker factor" has obviously now set in as you head to tomorrow's dreaded "C" bet with Toronto... If the raptors lose this one, you will be wiped out of somewhere between 12 to 15 wins..
If you wagered using PSICs method, then you would simply be down 2 units right now and only risking 1 more unit on this series, so if it loses, you've only lost 3 total units and will adjust your risk some for the next upcoming series... Do yourselves a big favor and print the system and stick to it... BOL.
Fellas, I dug through the PSIC archives and retrieved his modified Labourchere money management system and will attach it below.. For those who blindly play Morrison NBA via a Martingale chase progression, then the "pucker factor" has obviously now set in as you head to tomorrow's dreaded "C" bet with Toronto... If the raptors lose this one, you will be wiped out of somewhere between 12 to 15 wins..
If you wagered using PSICs method, then you would simply be down 2 units right now and only risking 1 more unit on this series, so if it loses, you've only lost 3 total units and will adjust your risk some for the next upcoming series... Do yourselves a big favor and print the system and stick to it... BOL.
Yea, I have jumped on MJ's picks and like them (especially because they are free, and im broke) PSIC responded real quick to me about how he does have "flat" betting picks that can be used with the progression picks, and once again it does come down to a good money management plan. I wish I could join his service but $100/m is a little to much for me at the moment. Warpath thnx for the doc.
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Yea, I have jumped on MJ's picks and like them (especially because they are free, and im broke) PSIC responded real quick to me about how he does have "flat" betting picks that can be used with the progression picks, and once again it does come down to a good money management plan. I wish I could join his service but $100/m is a little to much for me at the moment. Warpath thnx for the doc.
You have to change that name, I just can't get over it!
Did you see above what WARPATH wrote about the Labourchere Money Management, is that what you do or does PSIC have you doing that other deal where you raise your bet 10% on a winning day and lower it if you lost that day?
By the way, I called him today and he gave me some random NHL play (OVER 5 1/2 in the Calgary/Montreal game) that game went OVER in the 2nd period!!! He told me "trust me, bet more than just 1 unit on this game" and did I listen to ol' PSIC, yes I did! $$$$!
I know he always says PROTECT THE BANKROLL, but I usually just play everything for 1 or 2 units and so far so good!
Oh also that was a must read, not a much read.
I had to get that straight cuzz I know you're going to rag me for it, right CPK?
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You have to change that name, I just can't get over it!
Did you see above what WARPATH wrote about the Labourchere Money Management, is that what you do or does PSIC have you doing that other deal where you raise your bet 10% on a winning day and lower it if you lost that day?
By the way, I called him today and he gave me some random NHL play (OVER 5 1/2 in the Calgary/Montreal game) that game went OVER in the 2nd period!!! He told me "trust me, bet more than just 1 unit on this game" and did I listen to ol' PSIC, yes I did! $$$$!
I know he always says PROTECT THE BANKROLL, but I usually just play everything for 1 or 2 units and so far so good!
Oh also that was a must read, not a much read.
I had to get that straight cuzz I know you're going to rag me for it, right CPK?
I should rag you for it marlon. I've actually been using the 10% money management method and I have to say that I'm very happy. I started the 10%. about 9 days ago and started with a $25 bet and on sunday when we were 4-0 in NBA my bet was up to $45 so it was nice to cash in during a hot run and pick up almost $200 in one day. for a lot of people here thats probably pocket change but I feel real comforable with making these plays and not having to chase or use any kind of progression after a loss. Hell I started with $500 3 weeks ago and now have just over $1000.
If he's giving out bonus plays i might have to plan a phone call late this afternoon....
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I should rag you for it marlon. I've actually been using the 10% money management method and I have to say that I'm very happy. I started the 10%. about 9 days ago and started with a $25 bet and on sunday when we were 4-0 in NBA my bet was up to $45 so it was nice to cash in during a hot run and pick up almost $200 in one day. for a lot of people here thats probably pocket change but I feel real comforable with making these plays and not having to chase or use any kind of progression after a loss. Hell I started with $500 3 weeks ago and now have just over $1000.
If he's giving out bonus plays i might have to plan a phone call late this afternoon....
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