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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2010 - 12:04 PM ET #1

    Been doing some tracking for a while - about 3 months - regarding soccer draws and have seen some success when certain parameters are considered.

    What I have been tracking is when a soccer game has and O/U of 2 and a spread of pk to 0.5.  Also have been tracking games the at have an O/U of 2 - 2.5 with a spread of pk.  The whole idea of looking at these games came from someone else (different forum) so I am not claiming to have come up with this idea myself.  I have just been tracking some games.

    Anyway a few more weeks have gone by since I first considered posting some plays and they have continued to be profitable.  So I'm gonna start posting some games that fall into a category that has been making money for the past 3 months.  (Looking back they have anyways)

    Starting today - Nov 26 the plays (betting on the Draw) are:

    France National - Racing Strasbourg - +228

    France National  - Niort -  + 218

    Portugal Super Liga - Vitoria Setubal - +222

    Have some more that meet the play for a draw criteria for Saturday.  Lines I posted are from Pinnacle about 2 hours ago.  For tracking I will put a 1 Unit for each draw.

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    Been doing some tracking for a while - about 3 months - regarding soccer draws and have seen some success when certain parameters are considered.

    What I have been tracking is when a soccer game has and O/U of 2 and a spread of pk to 0.5.  Also have been tracking games the at have an O/U of 2 - 2.5 with a spread of pk.  The whole idea of looking at these games came from someone else (different forum) so I am not claiming to have come up with this idea myself.  I have just been tracking some games.

    Anyway a few more weeks have gone by since I first considered posting some plays and they have continued to be profitable.  So I'm gonna start posting some games that fall into a category that has been making money for the past 3 months.  (Looking back they have anyways)

    Starting today - Nov 26 the plays (betting on the Draw) are:

    France National - Racing Strasbourg - +228

    France National  - Niort -  + 218

    Portugal Super Liga - Vitoria Setubal - +222

    Have some more that meet the play for a draw criteria for Saturday.  Lines I posted are from Pinnacle about 2 hours ago.  For tracking I will put a 1 Unit for each draw.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2010 - 1:33 PM ET #2

    Hey man, very interested. Are you going to be sticking to those leagues you identified earlier is more profitable??

    Also, do you mind posting BOTH teams on a draw just to make sure we have the right game. If not, I'm sure I'll figure it out anyways 

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    Hey man, very interested. Are you going to be sticking to those leagues you identified earlier is more profitable??

    Also, do you mind posting BOTH teams on a draw just to make sure we have the right game. If not, I'm sure I'll figure it out anyways 

    GL
     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2010 - 5:27 PM ET #3

    Yes, dj - I am going to stick to the leagues that have produced the best over the last 3 months.  However I don't know if I'll add/take out some leagues as time goes on.  For example today there were 4 games in France - Ligue 2 that I tracked and the draws went 3 and 1  - I did not include them because that league has been just on the positive side of winning.  It is more so now.  So changes to which leagues are attractive for draws could be difficult to determine.

    Things started off great with Strasbourg getting the draw.  Unfortunately the other 2 games could not end in a draw.

    Recap - 1W - 2 Loss - gives a Plus 0.28 Units

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    Yes, dj - I am going to stick to the leagues that have produced the best over the last 3 months.  However I don't know if I'll add/take out some leagues as time goes on.  For example today there were 4 games in France - Ligue 2 that I tracked and the draws went 3 and 1  - I did not include them because that league has been just on the positive side of winning.  It is more so now.  So changes to which leagues are attractive for draws could be difficult to determine.

    Things started off great with Strasbourg getting the draw.  Unfortunately the other 2 games could not end in a draw.

    Recap - 1W - 2 Loss - gives a Plus 0.28 Units

     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2010 - 5:36 PM ET #4

    I tried a friend of mine his syetm on soccer draws today for the first time and 4 of 6 were a complete success!! And all of them were U2,5

    I will search for draws for tomorow games!

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    I tried a friend of mine his syetm on soccer draws today for the first time and 4 of 6 were a complete success!! And all of them were U2,5

    I will search for draws for tomorow games!

     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2010 - 5:39 PM ET #5

    Games for Friday PM/ Saturday (Nov 27)

    Austrailia - A - Wellington Phoenix/Melbourne Victory - +237

    Austrailia - A - Melbourne Heart/Sydney FC - +232

    Italy - Serie B - Piacenza/Torino - + 216

    Spain - Segunda - SD Huesca/Elche - +207

    Will add more if they qualify...

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    Games for Friday PM/ Saturday (Nov 27)

    Austrailia - A - Wellington Phoenix/Melbourne Victory - +237

    Austrailia - A - Melbourne Heart/Sydney FC - +232

    Italy - Serie B - Piacenza/Torino - + 216

    Spain - Segunda - SD Huesca/Elche - +207

    Will add more if they qualify...

     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2010 - 5:50 PM ET #6

    Japan - Vissel Kobe vs Shimizu S Pulse ( Bet Draw + U2,5 )
    Australia - Wellington Phoenix vs Melbourne ( Bet Draw + U2,5 )
    Australia - Melbourne vs Sydney ( Bet Draw + U2,5 )
    Spain - Zaragoza vs Villareal ( Draw + U2,5 )
    Germany -  Hannover vs Freiburg ( Draw + U2,5 )
    Germany - Hoffenheim vs Leverkusen ( Draw + U2,5 )
    France - Lorient vs Rennes ( Draw + U2,5 )
    France - Bordeaux vs Lille ( Draw + U2,5 )

    There are still other draws but have no time left will add games tomorow

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    Japan - Vissel Kobe vs Shimizu S Pulse ( Bet Draw + U2,5 )
    Australia - Wellington Phoenix vs Melbourne ( Bet Draw + U2,5 )
    Australia - Melbourne vs Sydney ( Bet Draw + U2,5 )
    Spain - Zaragoza vs Villareal ( Draw + U2,5 )
    Germany -  Hannover vs Freiburg ( Draw + U2,5 )
    Germany - Hoffenheim vs Leverkusen ( Draw + U2,5 )
    France - Lorient vs Rennes ( Draw + U2,5 )
    France - Bordeaux vs Lille ( Draw + U2,5 )

    There are still other draws but have no time left will add games tomorow

     
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    Posted: Nov. 27, 2010 - 12:51 AM ET #7

    ... More games to draw on Sat - Early Sat

    Portugal - Super Liga - Pacos/Olhanense - + 225

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    ... More games to draw on Sat - Early Sat

    Portugal - Super Liga - Pacos/Olhanense - + 225

     
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    Posted: Nov. 27, 2010 - 2:41 AM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by onlinesport:

    Japan - Vissel Kobe vs Shimizu S Pulse ( Bet Draw + U2,5 )
    Australia - Wellington Phoenix vs Melbourne ( Bet Draw + U2,5 )  2-2
    Australia - Melbourne vs Sydney ( Bet Draw + U2,5 )
    Spain - Zaragoza vs Villareal ( Draw + U2,5 )
    Germany -  Hannover vs Freiburg ( Draw + U2,5 )
    Germany - Hoffenheim vs Leverkusen ( Draw + U2,5 )
    France - Lorient vs Rennes ( Draw + U2,5 )
    France - Bordeaux vs Lille ( Draw + U2,5 )

    There are still other draws but have no time left will add games tomorow

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    Quote Originally Posted by onlinesport:

    Japan - Vissel Kobe vs Shimizu S Pulse ( Bet Draw + U2,5 )
    Australia - Wellington Phoenix vs Melbourne ( Bet Draw + U2,5 )  2-2
    Australia - Melbourne vs Sydney ( Bet Draw + U2,5 )
    Spain - Zaragoza vs Villareal ( Draw + U2,5 )
    Germany -  Hannover vs Freiburg ( Draw + U2,5 )
    Germany - Hoffenheim vs Leverkusen ( Draw + U2,5 )
    France - Lorient vs Rennes ( Draw + U2,5 )
    France - Bordeaux vs Lille ( Draw + U2,5 )

    There are still other draws but have no time left will add games tomorow

     
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    Posted: Nov. 27, 2010 - 2:43 AM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by onlinesport:

    Japan - Vissel Kobe vs Shimizu S Pulse ( Bet Draw + U2,5 )  1-0
    Australia - Wellington Phoenix vs Melbourne ( Bet Draw + U2,5 )  2-2
    Australia - Melbourne vs Sydney ( Bet Draw + U2,5 )
    Spain - Zaragoza vs Villareal ( Draw + U2,5 )
    Germany -  Hannover vs Freiburg ( Draw + U2,5 )
    Germany - Hoffenheim vs Leverkusen ( Draw + U2,5 )
    France - Lorient vs Rennes ( Draw + U2,5 )
    France - Bordeaux vs Lille ( Draw + U2,5 )

    There are still other draws but have no time left will add games tomorow

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    Quote Originally Posted by onlinesport:

    Japan - Vissel Kobe vs Shimizu S Pulse ( Bet Draw + U2,5 )  1-0
    Australia - Wellington Phoenix vs Melbourne ( Bet Draw + U2,5 )  2-2
    Australia - Melbourne vs Sydney ( Bet Draw + U2,5 )
    Spain - Zaragoza vs Villareal ( Draw + U2,5 )
    Germany -  Hannover vs Freiburg ( Draw + U2,5 )
    Germany - Hoffenheim vs Leverkusen ( Draw + U2,5 )
    France - Lorient vs Rennes ( Draw + U2,5 )
    France - Bordeaux vs Lille ( Draw + U2,5 )

    There are still other draws but have no time left will add games tomorow

     
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    Posted: Nov. 27, 2010 - 3:48 AM ET #10

    Are you parlaying onlinesport? What book are you playing the draws + U2.5?
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    Are you parlaying onlinesport? What book are you playing the draws + U2.5?
     
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    Posted: Nov. 27, 2010 - 3:50 AM ET #11

    no I don't parlay these as I think it's not possible :) I do bet them separately
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    no I don't parlay these as I think it's not possible :) I do bet them separately
     
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    Japan - Vissel Kobe vs Shimizu S Pulse ( Bet Draw + U2,5 )  1-0
    Australia - Wellington Phoenix vs Melbourne ( Bet Draw + U2,5 )  2-2
    Australia - Melbourne vs Sydney ( Bet Draw + U2,5 )  0-0
    Spain - Zaragoza vs Villareal ( Draw + U2,5 )
    Germany -  Hannover vs Freiburg ( Draw + U2,5 )
    Germany - Hoffenheim vs Leverkusen ( Draw + U2,5 )
    France - Lorient vs Rennes ( Draw + U2,5 )
    France - Bordeaux vs Lille ( Draw + U2,5 )

    going awesome!!!

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    Japan - Vissel Kobe vs Shimizu S Pulse ( Bet Draw + U2,5 )  1-0
    Australia - Wellington Phoenix vs Melbourne ( Bet Draw + U2,5 )  2-2
    Australia - Melbourne vs Sydney ( Bet Draw + U2,5 )  0-0
    Spain - Zaragoza vs Villareal ( Draw + U2,5 )
    Germany -  Hannover vs Freiburg ( Draw + U2,5 )
    Germany - Hoffenheim vs Leverkusen ( Draw + U2,5 )
    France - Lorient vs Rennes ( Draw + U2,5 )
    France - Bordeaux vs Lille ( Draw + U2,5 )

    going awesome!!!

     
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    Posted: Nov. 27, 2010 - 9:44 AM ET #13

    Congrats on Australia guys
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    Congrats on Australia guys
     
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    Posted: Nov. 27, 2010 - 3:22 PM ET #14

    Quote Originally Posted by aerojackel:

    Games for Friday PM/ Saturday (Nov 27)

    Austrailia - A - Wellington Phoenix/Melbourne Victory - +237

    Austrailia - A - Melbourne Heart/Sydney FC - +232

    Italy - Serie B - Piacenza/Torino - + 216

    Spain - Segunda - SD Huesca/Elche - +207

    Will add more if they qualify...

    WOW  - did not think these would all come in.  This is not generally the norm.  However draws seem to come in bunches and then don't happen for a while.

    These selections would add 8.92 Units to the record so far. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by aerojackel:

    Games for Friday PM/ Saturday (Nov 27)

    Austrailia - A - Wellington Phoenix/Melbourne Victory - +237

    Austrailia - A - Melbourne Heart/Sydney FC - +232

    Italy - Serie B - Piacenza/Torino - + 216

    Spain - Segunda - SD Huesca/Elche - +207

    Will add more if they qualify...

    WOW  - did not think these would all come in.  This is not generally the norm.  However draws seem to come in bunches and then don't happen for a while.

    These selections would add 8.92 Units to the record so far. 

     
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    Posted: Nov. 27, 2010 - 3:28 PM ET #15

    Quote Originally Posted by aerojackel:

    ... More games to draw on Sat - Early Sat

    Portugal - Super Liga - Pacos/Olhanense - + 225

    Minus 1 unit on this post.  I'll recap Fri and Sat below:

    Fri - 1W -2 L = +0.28 Units

    Sat - 4W-1L = + 7.92 Units

    Total - 5W-3L = 8.20 Units  - Again though this is an extremely good couple of days.  Draws usually don't hit this often.  All plays that I have tracked in the last 2 days would be close to 17.7 Units.  But I did not post them as I would not have played them according to past records.

    Will post some for Sunday if they are there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aerojackel:

    ... More games to draw on Sat - Early Sat

    Portugal - Super Liga - Pacos/Olhanense - + 225

    Minus 1 unit on this post.  I'll recap Fri and Sat below:

    Fri - 1W -2 L = +0.28 Units

    Sat - 4W-1L = + 7.92 Units

    Total - 5W-3L = 8.20 Units  - Again though this is an extremely good couple of days.  Draws usually don't hit this often.  All plays that I have tracked in the last 2 days would be close to 17.7 Units.  But I did not post them as I would not have played them according to past records.

    Will post some for Sunday if they are there.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 27, 2010 - 3:58 PM ET #16

    One play for Sat PM/Sunday - will post more if they come up

    Austrailia - A - Central Coast Mariners/Brisbane Roar - +228

    Getting 3 straight draws in this league is probably a long shot but it fits and Austrailia has been huge for getting the draw to come in.

    There are 2 games in the Portugal Super Liga but the numbers presented for them indicate a no play for me.  Don't want to force something.

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    One play for Sat PM/Sunday - will post more if they come up

    Austrailia - A - Central Coast Mariners/Brisbane Roar - +228

    Getting 3 straight draws in this league is probably a long shot but it fits and Austrailia has been huge for getting the draw to come in.

    There are 2 games in the Portugal Super Liga but the numbers presented for them indicate a no play for me.  Don't want to force something.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 27, 2010 - 8:16 PM ET #17

    Played all EPL draws today (excepting United/Blackburn) came out +EV. Cheers ya'll.
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    Played all EPL draws today (excepting United/Blackburn) came out +EV. Cheers ya'll.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 27, 2010 - 8:52 PM ET #18

    Quote Originally Posted by paul_scholes:

    Played all EPL draws today (excepting United/Blackburn) came out +EV. Cheers ya'll.

    Congrats - EPL hits draws at an impressive rate

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul_scholes:

    Played all EPL draws today (excepting United/Blackburn) came out +EV. Cheers ya'll.

    Congrats - EPL hits draws at an impressive rate

     
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    Posted: Nov. 28, 2010 - 10:47 PM ET #19

    Quote Originally Posted by aerojackel:

    Austrailia - A - Central Coast Mariners/Brisbane Roar - +228 

    Recap for Fri- Sun

    5 Wins (draws that came in) - +11.20 Units

    4 Loss -  -4.00 Units

    Total - 7.20 Units   - decent few days.  (All plays that I tracked was a plus 18.25 Units - It was a good few days of draws - I have seen a weekend bring a large negative number too however. 

    There are usually less plays during the week but will post if something comes up. 

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by aerojackel:

    Austrailia - A - Central Coast Mariners/Brisbane Roar - +228 

    Recap for Fri- Sun

    5 Wins (draws that came in) - +11.20 Units

    4 Loss -  -4.00 Units

    Total - 7.20 Units   - decent few days.  (All plays that I tracked was a plus 18.25 Units - It was a good few days of draws - I have seen a weekend bring a large negative number too however. 

    There are usually less plays during the week but will post if something comes up. 

    Cheers

     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2010 - 12:45 PM ET #20

    great picks, followed you on the weekend.

    Just wondering if there is particular league where these draw are occuring more frequently?

    Thanks and GL

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    great picks, followed you on the weekend.

    Just wondering if there is particular league where these draw are occuring more frequently?

    Thanks and GL

     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2010 - 4:30 PM ET #21

    Quote Originally Posted by grecycle99:

    great picks, followed you on the weekend.

    Just wondering if there is particular league where these draw are occuring more frequently?

    Thanks and GL

    Yes, last weekend was really good from a picking and winning some draws.  (55% is a money maker)  I'm not going to take credit for having some gift at this.  I simply picked some games based off of some past results with certain criteria involved.  That criteria I noted is in the first post.

    Some leagues have been very successful at having the draw hit.  Overall if one played every draw I have tracked a profit of 43 Units.  Some huge swings up and down in that time though.  If you could have only played the really profitable ones I currently have tracked over 100 Unit profit ($100 Unit). - That is betting 1 Unit per game.  But that is looking at past results... so I'm curious to find out if it continues

    The succesful leagues that so far have been making money are:

    Austrailia, France - National, International Friendlies, Italy - Serie B and Spain - Segunda.  May add or subtract to this as I get more results ins

    Some to avoid are Argentina-Primera, Greece - Super League and Czech - Gambrinus

    Looks like there will be a few plays coming up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grecycle99:

    great picks, followed you on the weekend.

    Just wondering if there is particular league where these draw are occuring more frequently?

    Thanks and GL

    Yes, last weekend was really good from a picking and winning some draws.  (55% is a money maker)  I'm not going to take credit for having some gift at this.  I simply picked some games based off of some past results with certain criteria involved.  That criteria I noted is in the first post.

    Some leagues have been very successful at having the draw hit.  Overall if one played every draw I have tracked a profit of 43 Units.  Some huge swings up and down in that time though.  If you could have only played the really profitable ones I currently have tracked over 100 Unit profit ($100 Unit). - That is betting 1 Unit per game.  But that is looking at past results... so I'm curious to find out if it continues

    The succesful leagues that so far have been making money are:

    Austrailia, France - National, International Friendlies, Italy - Serie B and Spain - Segunda.  May add or subtract to this as I get more results ins

    Some to avoid are Argentina-Primera, Greece - Super League and Czech - Gambrinus

    Looks like there will be a few plays coming up.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2010 - 9:45 AM ET #22

    Might want to start just betting all Austrailia League A games to Draw -

    Just want to say last week was very good considering over 50% of the games played ended in a draw.  I don't expect that percentage to remain but am more than happy to be wrong on that expectation.

    Here are some Fri/Sat plays ( bet on draw):

    France National - Amiens/Cannes - +213

    Austrailia-A - North Queensland/Newcastle - +232

    Italy - Serie B - Ascoli/Padova -+194

    There are also a ton of games in the France - Ligue 2 that I will be tracking.  (Last week the games I tracked went 3-1 for the draw) It is a pretty good league to get some draws coming in.   Maybe a 1/2 Unit on these (I am not counting in this total): Anger, Boulogne, and 1/4 Unit on these - Nimes, Le Havre.  I don't want to start including the Ligue 2 games becasue of one outstanding week but it has been tracking profitably.

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    Might want to start just betting all Austrailia League A games to Draw -

    Just want to say last week was very good considering over 50% of the games played ended in a draw.  I don't expect that percentage to remain but am more than happy to be wrong on that expectation.

    Here are some Fri/Sat plays ( bet on draw):

    France National - Amiens/Cannes - +213

    Austrailia-A - North Queensland/Newcastle - +232

    Italy - Serie B - Ascoli/Padova -+194

    There are also a ton of games in the France - Ligue 2 that I will be tracking.  (Last week the games I tracked went 3-1 for the draw) It is a pretty good league to get some draws coming in.   Maybe a 1/2 Unit on these (I am not counting in this total): Anger, Boulogne, and 1/4 Unit on these - Nimes, Le Havre.  I don't want to start including the Ligue 2 games becasue of one outstanding week but it has been tracking profitably.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2010 - 1:55 PM ET #23

    hmm, my book dosen't have an option of draw on any of these picks :(
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    hmm, my book dosen't have an option of draw on any of these picks :(
     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2010 - 10:12 PM ET #24

    Quote Originally Posted by keldrin:

    hmm, my book dosen't have an option of draw on any of these picks :(

    Thats probably a good thing right now.  So far none of the games I've been tracking have hit on the draw.  But thats the way it goes.

    If possible get a Pinnacle account.  It is said many times but they are truly one of the best books for prices and straight bet plays. They might not have all the other stuff which some like to play (props, NBA quarter bets, etc...) but to each his own.  They are my #1 book.

    I have a few more plays coming up.  Maybe your book will have these ones. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by keldrin:

    hmm, my book dosen't have an option of draw on any of these picks :(

    Thats probably a good thing right now.  So far none of the games I've been tracking have hit on the draw.  But thats the way it goes.

    If possible get a Pinnacle account.  It is said many times but they are truly one of the best books for prices and straight bet plays. They might not have all the other stuff which some like to play (props, NBA quarter bets, etc...) but to each his own.  They are my #1 book.

    I have a few more plays coming up.  Maybe your book will have these ones. 

     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2010 - 10:25 PM ET #25

    Quote Originally Posted by aerojackel:

    Here are some Fri/Sat plays ( bet on draw): Added

    France National - Amiens/Cannes - +213

    Austrailia-A - North Queensland/Newcastle - +232

    Italy - Serie B - Ascoli/Padova -+194

    Italy Serie B - Albinoleffe/Empoli + 200

    Spain Segunda - SD Huesca/Alcorcon + 225

    Spain Segunda - Cordoba/Recreativo + 209

    All plays are 1 Unit

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    Quote Originally Posted by aerojackel:

    Here are some Fri/Sat plays ( bet on draw): Added

    France National - Amiens/Cannes - +213

    Austrailia-A - North Queensland/Newcastle - +232

    Italy - Serie B - Ascoli/Padova -+194

    Italy Serie B - Albinoleffe/Empoli + 200

    Spain Segunda - SD Huesca/Alcorcon + 225

    Spain Segunda - Cordoba/Recreativo + 209

    All plays are 1 Unit

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