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    NBA teams with win percent below 425 fade

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    ringneck82
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    Posted: Feb. 7, 2012 - 9:42 AM ET #126

    Knox, needless to say, I think you're system needs some work.  You're getting your ass handed to you lately.
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    Posted: Feb. 7, 2012 - 6:46 PM ET #127

    Quote Originally Posted by ringneck82:

    Knox, needless to say, I think you're system needs some work.  You're getting your ass handed to you lately.

     

    LOL  you got that right ... As they say from my parts ."You are eating the dick"  . Thats another way of saying -losing streak.. I will push thru it ..

    I am looking for 20 units .no more no less..  I wish I had a system that made 60 units a year .. but I dont ...

    If you want to follow thats great ..I assure you i am looking to make 20 units .. It might be a grind along the way , I am ready fo the ride ..... good luck

    Tonights plays    results - 2 units

    Minnesota -6.5

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    Quote Originally Posted by ringneck82:

    Knox, needless to say, I think you're system needs some work.  You're getting your ass handed to you lately.

     

    LOL  you got that right ... As they say from my parts ."You are eating the dick"  . Thats another way of saying -losing streak.. I will push thru it ..

    I am looking for 20 units .no more no less..  I wish I had a system that made 60 units a year .. but I dont ...

    If you want to follow thats great ..I assure you i am looking to make 20 units .. It might be a grind along the way , I am ready fo the ride ..... good luck

    Tonights plays    results - 2 units

    Minnesota -6.5

     
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    Posted: Feb. 8, 2012 - 6:53 AM ET #128

    Teams under .368 (As of Feb 5)

               Teams         ATS          Current ATS Streak

    1. NJ Nets     (ATS 12-14)  (.308)  lost 3
    2. Toronto      (ATS 14-12)  (,308)  won 3 ***
    3. Detroit       (ATS 9-16) (.231) won 2 ***
    4. Washington(ATS 8-17)  (.200) lost 3
    5. Charlotte    (ATS 9-16)  (.120)  won 2******   
    6. New Orleans (ATS 10-15)  (.160) lost 6

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    1. G.S.          (ATS 9-12)   (.364) lost 2
    2. Phoenix       (ATS 9-14)   (.440) won 2
    3. NY Knicks   (ATS 9-15)   (.400)  won 5
    4. Cleveland     (ATS 13-9) (.391) lost 1
    5. Sacremento (ATS 12-13)  (.360)  won 6

    TODAYS GAMES 2/8

    MIL at TOR

    DET at
    NJ

    LEAN/WATCH GAMES

    NY at WAS

     

    LAST several  games

    2/7 MIL

    2/6 WAS , NO

    2/4 NJ , NO , GS

    2/3 BOS

    2/2 POR

    1/29 ATL , TOR

    1/28 LAL

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    Teams under .368 (As of Feb 5)

               Teams         ATS          Current ATS Streak

    1. NJ Nets     (ATS 12-14)  (.308)  lost 3
    2. Toronto      (ATS 14-12)  (,308)  won 3 ***
    3. Detroit       (ATS 9-16) (.231) won 2 ***
    4. Washington(ATS 8-17)  (.200) lost 3
    5. Charlotte    (ATS 9-16)  (.120)  won 2******   
    6. New Orleans (ATS 10-15)  (.160) lost 6

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    1. G.S.          (ATS 9-12)   (.364) lost 2
    2. Phoenix       (ATS 9-14)   (.440) won 2
    3. NY Knicks   (ATS 9-15)   (.400)  won 5
    4. Cleveland     (ATS 13-9) (.391) lost 1
    5. Sacremento (ATS 12-13)  (.360)  won 6

    TODAYS GAMES 2/8

    MIL at TOR

    DET at
    NJ

    LEAN/WATCH GAMES

    NY at WAS

     

    LAST several  games

    2/7 MIL

    2/6 WAS , NO

    2/4 NJ , NO , GS

    2/3 BOS

    2/2 POR

    1/29 ATL , TOR

    1/28 LAL

     
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    Posted: Feb. 9, 2012 - 6:20 AM ET #129

    Teams under .368 (As of Feb 9)

                 Teams         ATS          Current ATS Streak

    1. NJ Nets     (ATS 12-15)  (.296)  lost 4
    2. Toronto      (ATS 14-13)  (,206) lost 1
    3. Detroit       (ATS 10-16) (.259) won 3 ***
    4. Washington(ATS 8-18)  (.192) lost 4
    5. Charlotte    (ATS 9-16)  (.120)  won 2******   
    6. New Orleans (ATS 10-17)  (.154) lost 7
    7. G.S.          (ATS 9-12)   (.364) lost 2
    8. Sacremento (ATS 12-13)  (.360)  won 6

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    1. Phoenix       (ATS 9-14)   (.440) won 2
    2. NY Knicks   (ATS 10-15)   (.423)  won 6
    3. Cleveland     (ATS 14-9) (.417) won 1

    SAC and GS are back on the follow list.

    TODAYS GAMES 2/9

    No Games

    LEANS/WATCH

    OKC at SAC

    HOU at PHX

     

    LAST several  games

    2/8 MIL , NJ

    2/7 MIL

    2/6 WAS , NO

    2/4 NJ , NO , GS

    2/3 BOS

    2/2 POR

    1/29 ATL , TOR

    1/28 LAL

    1/27 Den , NJ

    1/25 NO

    1/23 DAL , SA , ATL

    1/22 BOS , NJ

    1/21 MEM

    1/18 BOS , DET , NJ

    1/16 ATL   (first post)

     

    So this  went 12-4 in Jan to 1-9 in Feb so far?

    It seems like there should be some filter about the teams that are playing... in Jan I see alot more top teir teams playing our FADE list vs. in Feb it looks like it is all former FADE teams playing our FADE teams

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    Teams under .368 (As of Feb 9)

                 Teams         ATS          Current ATS Streak

    1. NJ Nets     (ATS 12-15)  (.296)  lost 4
    2. Toronto      (ATS 14-13)  (,206) lost 1
    3. Detroit       (ATS 10-16) (.259) won 3 ***
    4. Washington(ATS 8-18)  (.192) lost 4
    5. Charlotte    (ATS 9-16)  (.120)  won 2******   
    6. New Orleans (ATS 10-17)  (.154) lost 7
    7. G.S.          (ATS 9-12)   (.364) lost 2
    8. Sacremento (ATS 12-13)  (.360)  won 6

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    1. Phoenix       (ATS 9-14)   (.440) won 2
    2. NY Knicks   (ATS 10-15)   (.423)  won 6
    3. Cleveland     (ATS 14-9) (.417) won 1

    SAC and GS are back on the follow list.

    TODAYS GAMES 2/9

    No Games

    LEANS/WATCH

    OKC at SAC

    HOU at PHX

     

    LAST several  games

    2/8 MIL , NJ

    2/7 MIL

    2/6 WAS , NO

    2/4 NJ , NO , GS

    2/3 BOS

    2/2 POR

    1/29 ATL , TOR

    1/28 LAL

    1/27 Den , NJ

    1/25 NO

    1/23 DAL , SA , ATL

    1/22 BOS , NJ

    1/21 MEM

    1/18 BOS , DET , NJ

    1/16 ATL   (first post)

     

    So this  went 12-4 in Jan to 1-9 in Feb so far?

    It seems like there should be some filter about the teams that are playing... in Jan I see alot more top teir teams playing our FADE list vs. in Feb it looks like it is all former FADE teams playing our FADE teams

     
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    Posted: Feb. 10, 2012 - 10:01 AM ET #130

    Tonight the plays should be Chi -13.5 and NJ +2.5. I think what glef may be getting at in the above post is also what concerns me. What are the odds that really good teams blow out really terrible teams on the road in a shorten/condensed schedule?

    Isn't the most likely scenario that Chicago gets up 20 in the late 3rd and early 4th and being on the road, looking ahead to other games, they coast through the 4th and like a football game, give up a "back-door" cover?

    -13.5 is a big spread. I think this is where we might be getting burned in this system and it might become even more prevelant as the season progresses and teams get increasingly tired. There is no way Chicago is going to be worried about winning by 15 or 20. They are on the road against a brutal team. They want out without injuries, period.

    Might be interesting to watch tonight. My money would be on NJ covering and Chicago not.

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    Tonight the plays should be Chi -13.5 and NJ +2.5. I think what glef may be getting at in the above post is also what concerns me. What are the odds that really good teams blow out really terrible teams on the road in a shorten/condensed schedule?

    Isn't the most likely scenario that Chicago gets up 20 in the late 3rd and early 4th and being on the road, looking ahead to other games, they coast through the 4th and like a football game, give up a "back-door" cover?

    -13.5 is a big spread. I think this is where we might be getting burned in this system and it might become even more prevelant as the season progresses and teams get increasingly tired. There is no way Chicago is going to be worried about winning by 15 or 20. They are on the road against a brutal team. They want out without injuries, period.

    Might be interesting to watch tonight. My money would be on NJ covering and Chicago not.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 10, 2012 - 6:56 PM ET #131

    I agree...

    add OKC too

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    I agree...

    add OKC too

     
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    Posted: Feb. 20, 2012 - 9:05 PM ET #132

    Quote Originally Posted by Knoxpoker:

    Teams that are below 425 win percent , will rarely win more than 3 ATS in a row. Last yr you would have been up 27 units . I start the 2 game chase at 2 wins ATS  I play 1 unit first game 2 units second game .. after that I take the 3 unit loss if it does not cover ..

    todays play .. (already started )

    ATL -10.5

    I just back-tested this at Killersports accessing their extensive NBA data base which goes back at least to 1995 from the results of some of my queries.

    The website I used is: https://killersports.com/nba.py/query?sid=guest&text=+&=1&submit=query

    The query I entered is: WP<42.50 and p:ats margin>0 and p:WP<42.50 and pp:ats margin>0 and pp:WP<42.50 and ppp:ats margin>0 and ppp:WP<42.50

    The results: 520-525-16 ATS.  That means roughly half the time a team with a SU WP of less than 42.50 (< .450) at the time of the fourth game won that fourth game ATS after winning ATS its last three in a row when at each of those three games the team had a WP less than 42.50.

    So .. of those 520 fourth game ATS wins, what was the result of the sub .450 team's fifth game ATS: 235-231-4.

    I don't believe this system works.

    If we only care about the team's WP during the fourth game only, the results ATS are: 536-549-18 .. and for the fifth game ATS: 242-241-6.

    Again, nothing.

    So how was this really for just last season (2010-2011)?

    To the first query add "and season = 2010" .. 26-39-1 ATS in the fourth game .. 12-12-0 in the fifth game.  (Note that when the fifth game test results don't add up to the fourth game ATS wins, it's because that team also won SU and its WP exceeded .425.)

    The same for 2010 without considering the previous WP in the streak .. 27-41-1 ATS in the fourth game .. 12-12-0 in the fifth game.

    Again .. nothing.

    Back to the drawing board, I'm afraid.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knoxpoker:

    Teams that are below 425 win percent , will rarely win more than 3 ATS in a row. Last yr you would have been up 27 units . I start the 2 game chase at 2 wins ATS  I play 1 unit first game 2 units second game .. after that I take the 3 unit loss if it does not cover ..

    todays play .. (already started )

    ATL -10.5

    I just back-tested this at Killersports accessing their extensive NBA data base which goes back at least to 1995 from the results of some of my queries.

    The website I used is: https://killersports.com/nba.py/query?sid=guest&text=+&=1&submit=query

    The query I entered is: WP<42.50 and p:ats margin>0 and p:WP<42.50 and pp:ats margin>0 and pp:WP<42.50 and ppp:ats margin>0 and ppp:WP<42.50

    The results: 520-525-16 ATS.  That means roughly half the time a team with a SU WP of less than 42.50 (< .450) at the time of the fourth game won that fourth game ATS after winning ATS its last three in a row when at each of those three games the team had a WP less than 42.50.

    So .. of those 520 fourth game ATS wins, what was the result of the sub .450 team's fifth game ATS: 235-231-4.

    I don't believe this system works.

    If we only care about the team's WP during the fourth game only, the results ATS are: 536-549-18 .. and for the fifth game ATS: 242-241-6.

    Again, nothing.

    So how was this really for just last season (2010-2011)?

    To the first query add "and season = 2010" .. 26-39-1 ATS in the fourth game .. 12-12-0 in the fifth game.  (Note that when the fifth game test results don't add up to the fourth game ATS wins, it's because that team also won SU and its WP exceeded .425.)

    The same for 2010 without considering the previous WP in the streak .. 27-41-1 ATS in the fourth game .. 12-12-0 in the fifth game.

    Again .. nothing.

    Back to the drawing board, I'm afraid.

     

     
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    hey simon, i sent a friend request. i was hoping you can teach me how to use the killersports website.
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    hey simon, i sent a friend request. i was hoping you can teach me how to use the killersports website.
     
     
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2012 - 6:08 PM ET #134

    Quote Originally Posted by Air1:

    hey simon, i sent a friend request. i was hoping you can teach me how to use the killersports website.

    I learned their query by reading their teaching guide: https://killersports.com/NBA/PDF/query_manual.pdf .

    Just go to the link I provided in my previous post and use this guide and teach yourself.  That's the best way, I would guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Air1:

    hey simon, i sent a friend request. i was hoping you can teach me how to use the killersports website.

    I learned their query by reading their teaching guide: https://killersports.com/NBA/PDF/query_manual.pdf .

    Just go to the link I provided in my previous post and use this guide and teach yourself.  That's the best way, I would guess.

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