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    NBA teams with win percent below 425 fade

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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2012 - 7:24 AM ET #76

    if you want to do a 3 game chase without risking too many, almost as much as a two game chase, than make your first bet about 1/3 of a unit.
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    if you want to do a 3 game chase without risking too many, almost as much as a two game chase, than make your first bet about 1/3 of a unit.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2012 - 7:32 AM ET #77

    Forgot to give my findings for 2010-2011. Quickly went over the season - so not sure how accurate this is because I did not keep track of a teams winning % throughout the season. Only went by end of season & included GS .439 because they won their last few games of the season; otherwise they'd have fallen under .425 also.
    This system went 88 wins and 9 loses. I'm guessing a lot of plays were not counted by Knox because he tracked it throughout the season and I am backtracking it with the final win % for the teams.
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    Forgot to give my findings for 2010-2011. Quickly went over the season - so not sure how accurate this is because I did not keep track of a teams winning % throughout the season. Only went by end of season & included GS .439 because they won their last few games of the season; otherwise they'd have fallen under .425 also.
    This system went 88 wins and 9 loses. I'm guessing a lot of plays were not counted by Knox because he tracked it throughout the season and I am backtracking it with the final win % for the teams.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2012 - 9:21 AM ET #78

    44 wins and 8 loses  for last year ..So @ 8  losses at 3 units a loss would bring you to 24 units ... so total profit of 20 units .. You will make 20 units with this easy to follow system ...

    Todays Plays  Lakers -5 

                          wait to see what Detroit does .. If they cover we know to ride the fade on them there next game ... If they dont cover , its no big deal

     

    Thank for posting the plays Glenfkb01

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    44 wins and 8 loses  for last year ..So @ 8  losses at 3 units a loss would bring you to 24 units ... so total profit of 20 units .. You will make 20 units with this easy to follow system ...

    Todays Plays  Lakers -5 

                          wait to see what Detroit does .. If they cover we know to ride the fade on them there next game ... If they dont cover , its no big deal

     

    Thank for posting the plays Glenfkb01

     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2012 - 11:05 AM ET #79

    Similarly to fading under .425 teams has anyone taken a look at fading teams that have gone over/under 4 or 5 times in a row? I looked at a few teams (approximately 8)this year and haven't seen a streak of more than 6 games? Same strategy can be applied here. Let me know thoughts.
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    Similarly to fading under .425 teams has anyone taken a look at fading teams that have gone over/under 4 or 5 times in a row? I looked at a few teams (approximately 8)this year and haven't seen a streak of more than 6 games? Same strategy can be applied here. Let me know thoughts.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2012 - 12:44 PM ET #80

    Quote Originally Posted by IPICKGAMES:

    Similarly to fading under .425 teams has anyone taken a look at fading teams that have gone over/under 4 or 5 times in a row? I looked at a few teams (approximately 8)this year and haven't seen a streak of more than 6 games? Same strategy can be applied here. Let me know thoughts.

     

    I have looked at that while ago .. The best patterns thatI found ,for a 3 game chase is if a team is playing 3 games in 4 night the chances are very good that the one of the 3 games are going over .. tired legs make for bad defense. But I stopped playing that I started betting this system instead .. I just feel comfortable betting aginst the bottom of the barrel teams ..

    I look for 5-7 units a month ... doesn't sound like much , but if it can pay the lease payment on the car and other misc. items that is good enought for me ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by IPICKGAMES:

    Similarly to fading under .425 teams has anyone taken a look at fading teams that have gone over/under 4 or 5 times in a row? I looked at a few teams (approximately 8)this year and haven't seen a streak of more than 6 games? Same strategy can be applied here. Let me know thoughts.

     

    I have looked at that while ago .. The best patterns thatI found ,for a 3 game chase is if a team is playing 3 games in 4 night the chances are very good that the one of the 3 games are going over .. tired legs make for bad defense. But I stopped playing that I started betting this system instead .. I just feel comfortable betting aginst the bottom of the barrel teams ..

    I look for 5-7 units a month ... doesn't sound like much , but if it can pay the lease payment on the car and other misc. items that is good enought for me ..

     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2012 - 5:03 PM ET #81

    I might have missed it but what was the record after only taking the under .425 team to lose after the second ATS cover?
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    I might have missed it but what was the record after only taking the under .425 team to lose after the second ATS cover?
     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2012 - 6:16 PM ET #82

    Its up 5 units .. at seasons end you will be up 20 units ... We started on 1/16/12   Its been 7 days and we already have 5 units ..
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    Its up 5 units .. at seasons end you will be up 20 units ... We started on 1/16/12   Its been 7 days and we already have 5 units ..
     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2012 - 10:41 PM ET #83

    Nice thread and I like your approach. Only noticed it because of the NHL break. I plan on tailing it. Dug through the records and noticed that following your method would have produced 12 wins ( for the season) before tonight and if you would have played with alternate point spreads of 1/2 pt. you could save some juice. And if you wanted to push it a little with 3 pts. and make your line +137 and stopped your chases where you did you would have lost 3 of the 12 but be up another unit. But you'd have to watch this method if the lines do really get sharper as the season progresses. But I really do like what you have going.
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    Nice thread and I like your approach. Only noticed it because of the NHL break. I plan on tailing it. Dug through the records and noticed that following your method would have produced 12 wins ( for the season) before tonight and if you would have played with alternate point spreads of 1/2 pt. you could save some juice. And if you wanted to push it a little with 3 pts. and make your line +137 and stopped your chases where you did you would have lost 3 of the 12 but be up another unit. But you'd have to watch this method if the lines do really get sharper as the season progresses. But I really do like what you have going.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2012 - 10:51 PM ET #84

    1/28/12

    Lakers -4.5       

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    1/28/12

    Lakers -4.5       

     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2012 - 10:03 AM ET #85

    Toronto and NO today correct? How are you handling NO covering 5 in a row?
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    Toronto and NO today correct? How are you handling NO covering 5 in a row?
     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2012 - 10:06 AM ET #86

     

    Teams under .425 (As of Jan 29)

               Teams         ATS          Current ATS Streak

    1. NY Knicks (ATS 5-15)     Lost 1
    2. NJ Nets     (ATS 10-10)   Won 2 ****
    3. Toronto      (ATS 10-10)   lost 1
    4. Milwaukee (ATS  9-10)    Won 3****
    5. Cleveland   (ATS 10-8)     lost 1
    6. Detroit       (ATS 6-14-1) lost 1
    7. Washington(ATS 7-13)    won1
    8. Charlotte    (ATS 7-14)     Lost 5  
    9. Phoenix     (ATS 8-11)    won 1
    10. G.S.          (ATS 8-10)     lost1
    11. Sacremento (ATS 7-13)   won 1
    12. New Orleans (ATS 10-9)  Won 5

    TODAYS GAMES

    Toronto +5 at NJ

    Atlanta -2.5 at MIL if you dare.... not part of this system

     

    Note MILWAUKEE is on the cusp of going over .425

    Note MINNESOTA is on the cusp of going under .425

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    Teams under .425 (As of Jan 29)

               Teams         ATS          Current ATS Streak

    1. NY Knicks (ATS 5-15)     Lost 1
    2. NJ Nets     (ATS 10-10)   Won 2 ****
    3. Toronto      (ATS 10-10)   lost 1
    4. Milwaukee (ATS  9-10)    Won 3****
    5. Cleveland   (ATS 10-8)     lost 1
    6. Detroit       (ATS 6-14-1) lost 1
    7. Washington(ATS 7-13)    won1
    8. Charlotte    (ATS 7-14)     Lost 5  
    9. Phoenix     (ATS 8-11)    won 1
    10. G.S.          (ATS 8-10)     lost1
    11. Sacremento (ATS 7-13)   won 1
    12. New Orleans (ATS 10-9)  Won 5

    TODAYS GAMES

    Toronto +5 at NJ

    Atlanta -2.5 at MIL if you dare.... not part of this system

     

    Note MILWAUKEE is on the cusp of going over .425

    Note MINNESOTA is on the cusp of going under .425

     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2012 - 10:29 AM ET #87

    Todays plays

    Toronto +5

    Atlanta -2.5  I am playing this because I just have to ......I would like to pick up 2 units today . I am just playing a single unit on this game

    I am leaving Milwaukee and Minnesota for awile ,,

    Lakers are a pending (B) bet tommorow

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    Todays plays

    Toronto +5

    Atlanta -2.5  I am playing this because I just have to ......I would like to pick up 2 units today . I am just playing a single unit on this game

    I am leaving Milwaukee and Minnesota for awile ,,

    Lakers are a pending (B) bet tommorow

     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2012 - 10:34 AM ET #88

    Sorry wrong info .. No Lakers Play ... We are taking the loss on the Minnesota fade .. since they are moving out of 425 win percent ..

    So just play Toronto +5

                       Atlanta - 2.5

    we are still up 4 units and looking to pick up 2 more tonight

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    Sorry wrong info .. No Lakers Play ... We are taking the loss on the Minnesota fade .. since they are moving out of 425 win percent ..

    So just play Toronto +5

                       Atlanta - 2.5

    we are still up 4 units and looking to pick up 2 more tonight

     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2012 - 10:42 AM ET #89

    Update :

    If you are a 50.00 dollar beter you are up 180.00

    If you are a 100.00 dollar beter you are up 300.00

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    Update :

    If you are a 50.00 dollar beter you are up 180.00

    If you are a 100.00 dollar beter you are up 300.00

     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2012 - 10:48 AM ET #90

    you mean lakers on 29th? . they aint playing on the 30th 

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    you mean lakers on 29th? . they aint playing on the 30th 

     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2012 - 10:51 AM ET #91

    ignore my post 

    all clear now 
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    ignore my post 

    all clear now 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2012 - 3:45 PM ET #92

    k-murder,thanks for the info. I was wondering if this was done after the first ats win or how knox is playing it after the second win?
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    k-murder,thanks for the info. I was wondering if this was done after the first ats win or how knox is playing it after the second win?
     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2012 - 3:56 PM ET #93

    Quote Originally Posted by bulichm:

    k-murder,thanks for the info. I was wondering if this was done after the first ats win or how knox is playing it after the second win?
                                     

    My bad, the 12-2 indicates its the way knox is playing it.I just looked up the smae thing for this year . Also there would have been an additional 15 or so wins if there was a chase initiated after the first ats loss.       One other thing did you notice any kind of w/l rate drop towards the end of the season in your research?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bulichm:

    k-murder,thanks for the info. I was wondering if this was done after the first ats win or how knox is playing it after the second win?
                                     

    My bad, the 12-2 indicates its the way knox is playing it.I just looked up the smae thing for this year . Also there would have been an additional 15 or so wins if there was a chase initiated after the first ats loss.       One other thing did you notice any kind of w/l rate drop towards the end of the season in your research?

     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2012 - 3:59 PM ET #94

    Quote Originally Posted by k-murder:

    I was doing some analysis on this strategy. While this strategy worked very well last year, the years before have had mixed results.

    My analysis on the previous 6 years shows the following results ($ based on $110 bet g1, $220 bet g2):
    YTD: 12-2 +290
    2010/2011: 89-14 +3560
    2009/2010: 56-26 -3270
    2008/2009: 70-27 -2930
    2007/2008: 76-14 +2560
    2006/2007: 73-21 -180
    2005/2006: 56-21 -2230

    A few things to keep in mind:
    1) In my analysis, I chose teams to bet based on a .425 winning percentages at that point that the bet is made, not based on using year end standings. For example, last year memphis started off terribly, and would have been a play up until their 35th game. By the 36th game, their winning percentage never dipped below .425, so they never were a play again. The analysis in this post only uses year end standings, which is not realistic.

    2) I started all season after the 10th game to give some meaning to the winning percentages.

    Losses for this year would have been on:
    1/13/2012 - Houston
    1/25/2012 - New Orleans

    Losses last year would have been on:
    1/12/11 - Charlotte
    2/27/11 - Cleveland
    12/27/10 - Detroit
    12/7/10 - Houston
    3/9/11 - LA Clippers
    12/11/10 - Memphis
    3/12/11 - Milwaukee
    4/5/11 - Milwaukee
    11/14/10 - Minnesota
    11/20/10 - New York
    12/3/10 - Philadelphia
    1/24/11 - Philadelphia
    3/29/11 - Sacramento
    11/24/10 - Toronto



    Can you explain the 2010/11 results, there were 14 losses at -$330 for a total of -$4620 and 89 wins at +$8,900 isnt the net for the season +$4,280 ?
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    I was doing some analysis on this strategy. While this strategy worked very well last year, the years before have had mixed results.

    My analysis on the previous 6 years shows the following results ($ based on $110 bet g1, $220 bet g2):
    YTD: 12-2 +290
    2010/2011: 89-14 +3560
    2009/2010: 56-26 -3270
    2008/2009: 70-27 -2930
    2007/2008: 76-14 +2560
    2006/2007: 73-21 -180
    2005/2006: 56-21 -2230

    A few things to keep in mind:
    1) In my analysis, I chose teams to bet based on a .425 winning percentages at that point that the bet is made, not based on using year end standings. For example, last year memphis started off terribly, and would have been a play up until their 35th game. By the 36th game, their winning percentage never dipped below .425, so they never were a play again. The analysis in this post only uses year end standings, which is not realistic.

    2) I started all season after the 10th game to give some meaning to the winning percentages.

    Losses for this year would have been on:
    1/13/2012 - Houston
    1/25/2012 - New Orleans

    Losses last year would have been on:
    1/12/11 - Charlotte
    2/27/11 - Cleveland
    12/27/10 - Detroit
    12/7/10 - Houston
    3/9/11 - LA Clippers
    12/11/10 - Memphis
    3/12/11 - Milwaukee
    4/5/11 - Milwaukee
    11/14/10 - Minnesota
    11/20/10 - New York
    12/3/10 - Philadelphia
    1/24/11 - Philadelphia
    3/29/11 - Sacramento
    11/24/10 - Toronto



    Can you explain the 2010/11 results, there were 14 losses at -$330 for a total of -$4620 and 89 wins at +$8,900 isnt the net for the season +$4,280 ?
     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2012 - 7:52 PM ET #95

    I think the win percentage is lower that 425 as the season goes on .. I lower it to about 340 and lower .. Its basically the bottom of the barrel as the season goes ...
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    I think the win percentage is lower that 425 as the season goes on .. I lower it to about 340 and lower .. Its basically the bottom of the barrel as the season goes ...
     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2012 - 9:24 PM ET #96

    K- murder : that makes sense I knew there was a good explanation. No need to rerun the analysis as the amounts wouldn't be affected drastically.

    Do you know what the results would be if you stopped after the first game and never wagered the 2nd game of the chase (not losing the $220?
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    K- murder : that makes sense I knew there was a good explanation. No need to rerun the analysis as the amounts wouldn't be affected drastically.

    Do you know what the results would be if you stopped after the first game and never wagered the 2nd game of the chase (not losing the $220?
     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2012 - 9:34 PM ET #97

    Tonights plays

    Atlanta -2.5              SYSTEM RESULTS  +6 units

    Toronto + 5              

                                             

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    Tonights plays

    Atlanta -2.5              SYSTEM RESULTS  +6 units

    Toronto + 5              

                                             

     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2012 - 6:13 PM ET #98

    no plays today?
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    no plays today?
     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2012 - 6:34 PM ET #99

    No plays today..

    the teams we are fading are

    New York

    New Jersey

    Toronto

    Detroit

    Washington

    Charlotte

    Phoenix

    Golden State

    Sacramento

    New Orleans     these are the 10 teams we are going to fade after

    2 ATS . The 425 win percent is too high .. the highest win percent right now ia Phoenix at 368 thats as high as I go .. sorry for the wrong info .. So 368 or lower is a fade after 2 ats ..

     

     

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    No plays today..

    the teams we are fading are

    New York

    New Jersey

    Toronto

    Detroit

    Washington

    Charlotte

    Phoenix

    Golden State

    Sacramento

    New Orleans     these are the 10 teams we are going to fade after

    2 ATS . The 425 win percent is too high .. the highest win percent right now ia Phoenix at 368 thats as high as I go .. sorry for the wrong info .. So 368 or lower is a fade after 2 ats ..

     

     

     
     
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    im starting a new system today listen up if you want to beat da NBA  I DONE DA NUMBERS ON THIS FEEL FREE TO CHECK 4 YOURSELF HERE IT IS . ONLY BET GAME WITH  HOME FAVS -7 OR MORE TAKE FAV  +6.5 OR LESS TAKE DOG . FOR DA SEASON  DA RECORD IS 117-82 THATS 35 UNITS SINCE OPENING DAY AT  $100 PER UNIT YOU R WINNING $2678  EXP 2NITE PHIL -7 HEAT -12   SPURS +6 BUCKS -7.5 MIN +6.5 GL
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    im starting a new system today listen up if you want to beat da NBA  I DONE DA NUMBERS ON THIS FEEL FREE TO CHECK 4 YOURSELF HERE IT IS . ONLY BET GAME WITH  HOME FAVS -7 OR MORE TAKE FAV  +6.5 OR LESS TAKE DOG . FOR DA SEASON  DA RECORD IS 117-82 THATS 35 UNITS SINCE OPENING DAY AT  $100 PER UNIT YOU R WINNING $2678  EXP 2NITE PHIL -7 HEAT -12   SPURS +6 BUCKS -7.5 MIN +6.5 GL
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