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    NBA: Effect of late withdrawl of "star" player

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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2007 - 3:12 AM ET #26

    Knicks @ Nets - Wednesday 5th December 2007
     
    Opening line: Knicks +7.5/Nets -7.5
     
    Line adjustment post withdrawl: Knicks +5.5/Nets -5.5 (Kidd)
     
    FT: Knicks 100-93
     
    ATS Result: Knicks
     
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    Knicks @ Nets - Wednesday 5th December 2007
     
    Opening line: Knicks +7.5/Nets -7.5
     
    Line adjustment post withdrawl: Knicks +5.5/Nets -5.5 (Kidd)
     
    FT: Knicks 100-93
     
    ATS Result: Knicks
     
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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2007 - 9:53 PM ET #28

    Duncan is out tonight
     
    line movement from Spurs -3 to Spurs +2
     
    I am playin the spurs
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    Duncan is out tonight
     
    line movement from Spurs -3 to Spurs +2
     
    I am playin the spurs
     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2007 - 4:28 PM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by DK-:

    Duncan is out tonight
     
    line movement from Spurs -3 to Spurs +2
     
    I am playin the spurs

    Hey dude, the reason why that didn't fit my system was because Duncan was known to be out well in advance of the game (i.e. >90min from tip off)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DK-:

    Duncan is out tonight
     
    line movement from Spurs -3 to Spurs +2
     
    I am playin the spurs

    Hey dude, the reason why that didn't fit my system was because Duncan was known to be out well in advance of the game (i.e. >90min from tip off)

     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2007 - 5:47 PM ET #30

    so it just plays into the system when a star is declared out right before tip off
     
    so like Lakers line is -7.5, if the line moves to -2.5 about 20 minutes before tip off, take the Lakers then? assuming Kobe would be out
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    so it just plays into the system when a star is declared out right before tip off
     
    so like Lakers line is -7.5, if the line moves to -2.5 about 20 minutes before tip off, take the Lakers then? assuming Kobe would be out
     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2007 - 7:21 PM ET #31

    Quote Originally Posted by DK-:

    so it just plays into the system when a star is declared out right before tip off
     
    so like Lakers line is -7.5, if the line moves to -2.5 about 20 minutes before tip off, take the Lakers then? assuming Kobe would be out

    Exactly. If Kobe was to be ruled out now (being within 90min of tip) and the line moves towards the Clips, Lakers would be the play.

    Lets see if this happens, I'll be laying the points for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DK-:

    so it just plays into the system when a star is declared out right before tip off
     
    so like Lakers line is -7.5, if the line moves to -2.5 about 20 minutes before tip off, take the Lakers then? assuming Kobe would be out

    Exactly. If Kobe was to be ruled out now (being within 90min of tip) and the line moves towards the Clips, Lakers would be the play.

    Lets see if this happens, I'll be laying the points for sure.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2007 - 6:29 PM ET #32

    thankx rod.
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    thankx rod.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2007 - 6:57 AM ET #33

    Wizards @ Pacers - Saturday 22nd December 2007
     
     
    Opening line: Wizards +5.5/Pacers -5.5
     
     
    Line adjustment post withdrawl: Wizards +8/Pacers -8 (Butler)
     
     
    FT: Pacers 93-85
     
     
    ATS Result: PUSH
     
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    Wizards @ Pacers - Saturday 22nd December 2007
     
     
    Opening line: Wizards +5.5/Pacers -5.5
     
     
    Line adjustment post withdrawl: Wizards +8/Pacers -8 (Butler)
     
     
    FT: Pacers 93-85
     
     
    ATS Result: PUSH
     
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    Posted: Dec. 24, 2007 - 7:26 PM ET #34

    System looks workable.  However, I do have one question.  How do you know when a key player is being kept out within 90 minutes of the start time of a game?  Hope this isn't too dumb of a question!
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    System looks workable.  However, I do have one question.  How do you know when a key player is being kept out within 90 minutes of the start time of a game?  Hope this isn't too dumb of a question!
     
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    Posted: Dec. 28, 2007 - 7:49 PM ET #37

    Quote Originally Posted by seaotter:

    System looks workable.  However, I do have one question.  How do you know when a key player is being kept out within 90 minutes of the start time of a game?  Hope this isn't too dumb of a question!

    A decision to sit a star player could have been made the night before or a few hours before. The 90min parameter basically refers to when the absence of the player becomes public information, when that occurs is obvious as the line will move accordingly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seaotter:

    System looks workable.  However, I do have one question.  How do you know when a key player is being kept out within 90 minutes of the start time of a game?  Hope this isn't too dumb of a question!

    A decision to sit a star player could have been made the night before or a few hours before. The 90min parameter basically refers to when the absence of the player becomes public information, when that occurs is obvious as the line will move accordingly.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 28, 2007 - 7:51 PM ET #38

    For tonight (Friday December 28th) looks like we have one in the Heat/Magic game with Shaq being ruled out.
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    For tonight (Friday December 28th) looks like we have one in the Heat/Magic game with Shaq being ruled out.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 28, 2007 - 10:09 PM ET #39

    Add the Kings/76ers game with Artest out tonight. 2 in one night very rare.
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    Add the Kings/76ers game with Artest out tonight. 2 in one night very rare.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 29, 2007 - 4:58 PM ET #40

    Magic @ Heat - Friday 28th December 2007

    Opening line: Magic -3.5/Heat +3.5

    Line adjustment post withdrawl: Magic -4.5/Heat +4.5 (Shaq)

    FT: Magic 121-114 (OT)

    ATS Result: Magic

    76ers @ Kings - Friday 28th December 2007

    Opening line: 76ers +4/Kings -4

    Line adjustment post withdrawl: 76ers +3/Kings -3 (Artest)

    FT: 76ers 92-80

    ATS Result: 76ers

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    Magic @ Heat - Friday 28th December 2007

    Opening line: Magic -3.5/Heat +3.5

    Line adjustment post withdrawl: Magic -4.5/Heat +4.5 (Shaq)

    FT: Magic 121-114 (OT)

    ATS Result: Magic

    76ers @ Kings - Friday 28th December 2007

    Opening line: 76ers +4/Kings -4

    Line adjustment post withdrawl: 76ers +3/Kings -3 (Artest)

    FT: 76ers 92-80

    ATS Result: 76ers

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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2008 - 4:53 PM ET #41

    Rod,

    Don't know if you are still following this system but Garnett was a late scratch today.  Line went from Bos -1 to Orlando - 2 1/2.  Orlando won by 3.
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    Rod,

    Don't know if you are still following this system but Garnett was a late scratch today.  Line went from Bos -1 to Orlando - 2 1/2.  Orlando won by 3.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2008 - 5:17 PM ET #42

    As soon as I saw Garnett was out I thought of this.  Although in this case it didn't work.  Close, but not quite.
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    As soon as I saw Garnett was out I thought of this.  Although in this case it didn't work.  Close, but not quite.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2008 - 9:44 AM ET #43

    Lipps,

    I was on Boston

    Milwaukee was also a play.  Michael Redd was a late scratch.  The line went from 1 to 2 1/2.  Milwaukee beat Washington by 3.

    So the system was 1-1 for the day.
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    Lipps,

    I was on Boston

    Milwaukee was also a play.  Michael Redd was a late scratch.  The line went from 1 to 2 1/2.  Milwaukee beat Washington by 3.

    So the system was 1-1 for the day.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2008 - 5:35 PM ET #44

    i have played 3 nba games with late player withdrawals... i took the other team with the improved spread. I lost all 3....  I really think there is merit to playing the team losing the player.... I intend to do just that on next situtation.
     
    another thing i would like to know: what happens when a player returns? like mello for nuggets tonight? anybody have observations on that? thanks
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    i have played 3 nba games with late player withdrawals... i took the other team with the improved spread. I lost all 3....  I really think there is merit to playing the team losing the player.... I intend to do just that on next situtation.
     
    another thing i would like to know: what happens when a player returns? like mello for nuggets tonight? anybody have observations on that? thanks
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by JG33:

    Rod,

    Don't know if you are still following this system but Garnett was a late scratch today.  Line went from Bos -1 to Orlando - 2 1/2.  Orlando won by 3.

    I'll update this thread shortly. You are right, in that instance it fell just short.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JG33:

    Rod,

    Don't know if you are still following this system but Garnett was a late scratch today.  Line went from Bos -1 to Orlando - 2 1/2.  Orlando won by 3.

    I'll update this thread shortly. You are right, in that instance it fell just short.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2008 - 3:26 AM ET #46

    Celtics @ Magic - 27th January 2008

    Opening Line: Celtics -1.5/Magic +1.5

    Line adjustment post withdrawl: Celtics +2.5/Magic -2.5 (Garnett)

    FT: Magic 96-93

    ATS Result: Magic

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    Celtics @ Magic - 27th January 2008

    Opening Line: Celtics -1.5/Magic +1.5

    Line adjustment post withdrawl: Celtics +2.5/Magic -2.5 (Garnett)

    FT: Magic 96-93

    ATS Result: Magic

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    Celtics @ Heat - 29th January 2008
     
    Opening Line: Celtics -6.5/Heat +6.5
     
    Line adjustment post withdrawl: Celtics -4.5/Heat +4.5 (Allen)
     
    FT: Celtics 117-87
     
    ATS Result: Celtics
     
    Raptors @ Wizards - 29th January 2008
     
    Opening Line: Raptors +2.5/Wizards -2.5
     
    Line adjustment post withdrawl: Raptors -2.5/Wizards +2.5 (Butler)
     
    FT: Wizards 108-104 (OT)
     
    ATS Result: Wizards
     
    Warriors @ Rockets - 28th January 2008
     
    Opening Line: Warriors +4.5/Rockets -4.5
     
    Line adjustment post withdrawl: Warriors +2.5/Rockets -2.5 (TMac)
     
    FT: Rockets 111-107
     
    ATS Result: Rockets
     
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    Celtics @ Heat - 29th January 2008
     
    Opening Line: Celtics -6.5/Heat +6.5
     
    Line adjustment post withdrawl: Celtics -4.5/Heat +4.5 (Allen)
     
    FT: Celtics 117-87
     
    ATS Result: Celtics
     
    Raptors @ Wizards - 29th January 2008
     
    Opening Line: Raptors +2.5/Wizards -2.5
     
    Line adjustment post withdrawl: Raptors -2.5/Wizards +2.5 (Butler)
     
    FT: Wizards 108-104 (OT)
     
    ATS Result: Wizards
     
    Warriors @ Rockets - 28th January 2008
     
    Opening Line: Warriors +4.5/Rockets -4.5
     
    Line adjustment post withdrawl: Warriors +2.5/Rockets -2.5 (TMac)
     
    FT: Rockets 111-107
     
    ATS Result: Rockets
     
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    YTD Record (10-5-1)
     
     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2008 - 3:38 AM ET #48

    Quote Originally Posted by AtlFader:

    i have played 3 nba games with late player withdrawals... i took the other team with the improved spread. I lost all 3....  I really think there is merit to playing the team losing the player.... I intend to do just that on next situtation.
     
    another thing i would like to know: what happens when a player returns? like mello for nuggets tonight? anybody have observations on that? thanks

    Interesting about your latter point - I'd suspect it would work the opposite meaning you fade the team with the star player returning if he spent a certain period of time in the sidelines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AtlFader:

    i have played 3 nba games with late player withdrawals... i took the other team with the improved spread. I lost all 3....  I really think there is merit to playing the team losing the player.... I intend to do just that on next situtation.
     
    another thing i would like to know: what happens when a player returns? like mello for nuggets tonight? anybody have observations on that? thanks

    Interesting about your latter point - I'd suspect it would work the opposite meaning you fade the team with the star player returning if he spent a certain period of time in the sidelines.

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