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    Posted: Apr. 18, 2019 - 8:23 AM ET #1

    Series-Chase System.

    Series with 3 or 4 games. 

    Stop after first win of "my" team. 

    Based on my own power rankings.

    Run very good in '14 and '15 - then I took a longer break from betting, but being (obviously) back, I thought I give it another try.

     

    Staking: 

    To win 1 unit per bet + loss recovery.

    ML only. Some heavy Favs will occur, so I'll go for 0,25% of starting Bankroll as units.

     

    Best of luck :)

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    Series-Chase System.

    Series with 3 or 4 games. 

    Stop after first win of "my" team. 

    Based on my own power rankings.

    Run very good in '14 and '15 - then I took a longer break from betting, but being (obviously) back, I thought I give it another try.

     

    Staking: 

    To win 1 unit per bet + loss recovery.

    ML only. Some heavy Favs will occur, so I'll go for 0,25% of starting Bankroll as units.

     

    Best of luck :)

     
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    Posted: Apr. 18, 2019 - 8:26 AM ET #2

    Mariners @Angels (A): Hernandez - Stratton: 0.94 to win 1.00

    Reds @Padres (A): Roark - Paddack: 0.68 to win 1.00

    Phillies @Rockies (A):  Eflin - Freeland: 1.10 to win 1.00

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    Mariners @Angels (A): Hernandez - Stratton: 0.94 to win 1.00

    Reds @Padres (A): Roark - Paddack: 0.68 to win 1.00

    Phillies @Rockies (A):  Eflin - Freeland: 1.10 to win 1.00

     
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    Posted: Apr. 19, 2019 - 8:55 AM ET #3

    Quote Originally Posted by Thasian:

    Mariners @Angels (A): Hernandez - Stratton: 0.94 to win 1.00

    Reds @Padres (A): Roark - Paddack: 0.68 to win 1.00

    Phillies @Rockies (A):  Eflin - Freeland: 1.10 to win 1.00

    A: 2

    B: 0 (1 running)

    C: 0

    D: 0

    +0.90

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thasian:

    Mariners @Angels (A): Hernandez - Stratton: 0.94 to win 1.00

    Reds @Padres (A): Roark - Paddack: 0.68 to win 1.00

    Phillies @Rockies (A):  Eflin - Freeland: 1.10 to win 1.00

    A: 2

    B: 0 (1 running)

    C: 0

    D: 0

    +0.90

     
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    Posted: Apr. 19, 2019 - 10:49 AM ET #4

    Phillies @Rockies (B): Velasquez - Marquez: 2.43 to win 3.10

    Athletics v Blue Jays (A): Brooks - Stroman: 1.26 to win 1.00 

    Diamondbacks @Cubs (A): Kelly - Hendricks: 0.69 to win 1.00

    Nationals @Marlins (A): Sanchez - Smith: 1.12 to win 1.00

    Twins @Orioles (A): Berrios - Cobb: 1.77 to win 1.00

    Pirates v Giants (A): Lyles - Bumgarner: 0.98 to win 1.00

    Astros @Rangers (A): Will be added.

    Rays v Red Sox (A): Will be added.

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    Phillies @Rockies (B): Velasquez - Marquez: 2.43 to win 3.10

    Athletics v Blue Jays (A): Brooks - Stroman: 1.26 to win 1.00 

    Diamondbacks @Cubs (A): Kelly - Hendricks: 0.69 to win 1.00

    Nationals @Marlins (A): Sanchez - Smith: 1.12 to win 1.00

    Twins @Orioles (A): Berrios - Cobb: 1.77 to win 1.00

    Pirates v Giants (A): Lyles - Bumgarner: 0.98 to win 1.00

    Astros @Rangers (A): Will be added.

    Rays v Red Sox (A): Will be added.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 19, 2019 - 2:39 PM ET #5

    Complete:

    Phillies @Rockies (B): Velasquez - Marquez: 2.43 to win 3.10

    Athletics v Blue Jays (A): Brooks - Stroman: 1.26 to win 1.00 

    Diamondbacks @Cubs (A): Kelly - Hendricks: 0.69 to win 1.00

    Nationals @Marlins (A): Sanchez - Smith: 1.12 to win 1.00

    Twins @Orioles (A): Berrios - Cobb: 1.77 to win 1.00

    Pirates v Giants (A): Lyles - Bumgarner: 0.98 to win 1.00

    Astros @Rangers (A): Verlander - Smyly: 2.14 to win 1.00

    Rays v Red Sox (A): Stanek - Rodriguez: 1.14 to win 1.00 

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    Complete:

    Phillies @Rockies (B): Velasquez - Marquez: 2.43 to win 3.10

    Athletics v Blue Jays (A): Brooks - Stroman: 1.26 to win 1.00 

    Diamondbacks @Cubs (A): Kelly - Hendricks: 0.69 to win 1.00

    Nationals @Marlins (A): Sanchez - Smith: 1.12 to win 1.00

    Twins @Orioles (A): Berrios - Cobb: 1.77 to win 1.00

    Pirates v Giants (A): Lyles - Bumgarner: 0.98 to win 1.00

    Astros @Rangers (A): Verlander - Smyly: 2.14 to win 1.00

    Rays v Red Sox (A): Stanek - Rodriguez: 1.14 to win 1.00 

     
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    Posted: Apr. 20, 2019 - 3:47 AM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by Thasian:

    Complete:

    Phillies @Rockies (B): Velasquez - Marquez: 2.43 to win 3.10

    Athletics v Blue Jays (A): Brooks - Stroman: 1.26 to win 1.00 

    Diamondbacks @Cubs (A): Kelly - Hendricks: 0.69 to win 1.00

    Nationals @Marlins (A): Sanchez - Smith: 1.12 to win 1.00

    Twins @Orioles (A): Berrios - Cobb: 1.77 to win 1.00 - Postponed

    Pirates v Giants (A): Lyles - Bumgarner: 0.98 to win 1.00

    Astros @Rangers (A): Verlander - Smyly: 2.14 to win 1.00

    Rays v Red Sox (A): Stanek - Rodriguez: 1.14 to win 1.00

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thasian:

    Complete:

    Phillies @Rockies (B): Velasquez - Marquez: 2.43 to win 3.10

    Athletics v Blue Jays (A): Brooks - Stroman: 1.26 to win 1.00 

    Diamondbacks @Cubs (A): Kelly - Hendricks: 0.69 to win 1.00

    Nationals @Marlins (A): Sanchez - Smith: 1.12 to win 1.00

    Twins @Orioles (A): Berrios - Cobb: 1.77 to win 1.00 - Postponed

    Pirates v Giants (A): Lyles - Bumgarner: 0.98 to win 1.00

    Astros @Rangers (A): Verlander - Smyly: 2.14 to win 1.00

    Rays v Red Sox (A): Stanek - Rodriguez: 1.14 to win 1.00

     
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    Posted: Apr. 20, 2019 - 4:39 AM ET #7

    Games up to 4 pm: 

     

    Athletics v Blue Jays (B): Fiers - Shoemaker: 4.72 to win 3.26

    Diamondbacks @Cubs (B): to win 2.69

    Twins @Orioles (A): to win 1.00 - look out, late game will be a play, if Twins lose early

    Rays v Red Sox (B): to win 3.14

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    Games up to 4 pm: 

     

    Athletics v Blue Jays (B): Fiers - Shoemaker: 4.72 to win 3.26

    Diamondbacks @Cubs (B): to win 2.69

    Twins @Orioles (A): to win 1.00 - look out, late game will be a play, if Twins lose early

    Rays v Red Sox (B): to win 3.14

     
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    Posted: Apr. 20, 2019 - 2:30 PM ET #8

    Complete:

     

    Current record:

    A: 4

    B: 0 (4 Running)

    C: 0 (1 running)

    D: 0

    Lost: 0

    -3.74

     

    Athletics v Blue Jays (B): Fiers - Shoemaker: 4.72 to win 3.26

    Diamondbacks @Cubs (B): Greinke - Darvish: 2.22 to win 2.69

    Twins @Orioles (A): Berrios - Straily: 2.02 to win 1.00 - look out, late game will be a play, if Twins lose early

    Rays v Red Sox (B): Morton - Porcello: 4.39 to win 3.14

    Phillies @Rockies (C): Nola - Senzatela: 7.66 to win 6.53

    Nationals @Marlins (B): Scherzer - Urena:7.15 to win 3.12

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    Complete:

     

    Current record:

    A: 4

    B: 0 (4 Running)

    C: 0 (1 running)

    D: 0

    Lost: 0

    -3.74

     

    Athletics v Blue Jays (B): Fiers - Shoemaker: 4.72 to win 3.26

    Diamondbacks @Cubs (B): Greinke - Darvish: 2.22 to win 2.69

    Twins @Orioles (A): Berrios - Straily: 2.02 to win 1.00 - look out, late game will be a play, if Twins lose early

    Rays v Red Sox (B): Morton - Porcello: 4.39 to win 3.14

    Phillies @Rockies (C): Nola - Senzatela: 7.66 to win 6.53

    Nationals @Marlins (B): Scherzer - Urena:7.15 to win 3.12

     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2019 - 5:16 AM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by Thasian:

    Athletics v Blue Jays (B): Fiers - Shoemaker: 4.72 to win 3.26

    Diamondbacks @Cubs (B): Greinke - Darvish: 2.22 to win 2.69

    Twins @Orioles (A): Berrios - Straily: 2.02 to win 1.00

    Rays v Red Sox (B): Morton - Porcello: 4.39 to win 3.14

    Phillies @Rockies (C): Nola - Senzatela: 7.66 to win 6.53

    Nationals @Marlins (B): Scherzer - Urena: 7.15 to win 3.12

     

    A: 5

    B: 1

    C: 1 (3 Running)

    D: 0

    Lost: 0

    -9.78

     

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    Athletics v Blue Jays (B): Fiers - Shoemaker: 4.72 to win 3.26

    Diamondbacks @Cubs (B): Greinke - Darvish: 2.22 to win 2.69

    Twins @Orioles (A): Berrios - Straily: 2.02 to win 1.00

    Rays v Red Sox (B): Morton - Porcello: 4.39 to win 3.14

    Phillies @Rockies (C): Nola - Senzatela: 7.66 to win 6.53

    Nationals @Marlins (B): Scherzer - Urena: 7.15 to win 3.12

     

    A: 5

    B: 1

    C: 1 (3 Running)

    D: 0

    Lost: 0

    -9.78

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2019 - 9:03 AM ET #10

    Nationals @Marlins (C): Strasburg - Richards: 18.61 to win 11.27

    Red Sox @Rays (C): Price - Glasnow: 9.56 to win 8.53

     

    Oakland will follow - to win 8.98

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    Nationals @Marlins (C): Strasburg - Richards: 18.61 to win 11.27

    Red Sox @Rays (C): Price - Glasnow: 9.56 to win 8.53

     

    Oakland will follow - to win 8.98

     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2019 - 3:59 PM ET #11

    Athletics v Blue Jays: Anderson - Sanchez: 13.58 to win 8.98

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    Athletics v Blue Jays: Anderson - Sanchez: 13.58 to win 8.98

     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2019 - 6:23 PM ET #12

    Really unhappy with this weekend. Looks to be a ery bad start. Yet - should work out long-time but I hate this. Oakland again back, Rays just lost their first series of the year. In a sweep...

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    Really unhappy with this weekend. Looks to be a ery bad start. Yet - should work out long-time but I hate this. Oakland again back, Rays just lost their first series of the year. In a sweep...

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thasian:

    Really unhappy with this weekend. Looks to be a ery bad start. Yet - should work out long-time but I hate this. Oakland again back, Rays just lost their first series of the year. In a sweep...

    I hear ya... I got burnt last week by dodgers and brewers... I suggest, less series... and really put thought into it, possibly taking 4 game series and home team but not a mass favorite... just my opinion... also even trying over unders... but as I said I lost 2 sweeps already so I am climbing out of a hole

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thasian:

    Really unhappy with this weekend. Looks to be a ery bad start. Yet - should work out long-time but I hate this. Oakland again back, Rays just lost their first series of the year. In a sweep...

    I hear ya... I got burnt last week by dodgers and brewers... I suggest, less series... and really put thought into it, possibly taking 4 game series and home team but not a mass favorite... just my opinion... also even trying over unders... but as I said I lost 2 sweeps already so I am climbing out of a hole

     
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    Posted: Apr. 22, 2019 - 9:59 AM ET #14

    Quote Originally Posted by yanks21x:

    Quote Originally Posted by Thasian:

    Really unhappy with this weekend. Looks to be a ery bad start. Yet - should work out long-time but I hate this. Oakland again back, Rays just lost their first series of the year. In a sweep...
    I hear ya... I got burnt last week by dodgers and brewers... I suggest, less series... and really put thought into it, possibly taking 4 game series and home team but not a mass favorite... just my opinion... also even trying over unders... but as I said I lost 2 sweeps already so I am climbing out of a hole

     

    Thanks for the feedback yanks and BOL at your climb ;)

    As written above, I was very succesful with my series picking-approach in the past. And am not willing o change the system just because of two early losses.. some losses WILL appear, just hoped they would pop up significantly later..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thasian:

    Really unhappy with this weekend. Looks to be a ery bad start. Yet - should work out long-time but I hate this. Oakland again back, Rays just lost their first series of the year. In a sweep...
    I hear ya... I got burnt last week by dodgers and brewers... I suggest, less series... and really put thought into it, possibly taking 4 game series and home team but not a mass favorite... just my opinion... also even trying over unders... but as I said I lost 2 sweeps already so I am climbing out of a hole

     

    Thanks for the feedback yanks and BOL at your climb ;)

    As written above, I was very succesful with my series picking-approach in the past. And am not willing o change the system just because of two early losses.. some losses WILL appear, just hoped they would pop up significantly later..

     
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    Posted: Apr. 22, 2019 - 10:09 AM ET #15

    Quote Originally Posted by Thasian:

    Nationals @Marlins (C): Strasburg - Richards: 18.61 to win 11.27

    Red Sox @Rays (C): Price - Glasnow: 9.56 to win 8.53   

    Athletics v Blue Jays: Anderson - Sanchez: 13.58 to win 8.98

    A: 5

    B: 1

    C: 2 

    D: 0

    Lost: 2

    -21.65

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    Nationals @Marlins (C): Strasburg - Richards: 18.61 to win 11.27

    Red Sox @Rays (C): Price - Glasnow: 9.56 to win 8.53   

    Athletics v Blue Jays: Anderson - Sanchez: 13.58 to win 8.98

    A: 5

    B: 1

    C: 2 

    D: 0

    Lost: 2

    -21.65

     
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    Posted: Apr. 22, 2019 - 2:42 PM ET #16

    All new series. Let's go and win back some money!

     

    Yankees @Angels: Happ - Harvey: 1.03 to win 1.00

    Astros v Twins: Peacock - Odorizzi: 1.71 to win 1.00

    Diamondbacks @Pirates: Godley - Musgrove: 0.82 to win 1.00

    Rays v Royals: Chirinos - Keller: 1.58 to win 1.00

    Tigers @Red Sox: Turnbull - Sale: 0.54 to win 1.00

    Nationals @Rockies: Hellickson - Anderson: 0.94 to win 1.00

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    All new series. Let's go and win back some money!

     

    Yankees @Angels: Happ - Harvey: 1.03 to win 1.00

    Astros v Twins: Peacock - Odorizzi: 1.71 to win 1.00

    Diamondbacks @Pirates: Godley - Musgrove: 0.82 to win 1.00

    Rays v Royals: Chirinos - Keller: 1.58 to win 1.00

    Tigers @Red Sox: Turnbull - Sale: 0.54 to win 1.00

    Nationals @Rockies: Hellickson - Anderson: 0.94 to win 1.00

     
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    Posted: Apr. 23, 2019 - 3:03 AM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by Thasian:

    All new series. Let's go and win back some money!  

    Yankees @Angels: Happ - Harvey: 1.03 to win 1.00

    Astros v Twins: Peacock - Odorizzi: 1.71 to win 1.00

    Diamondbacks @Pirates: Godley - Musgrove: 0.82 to win 1.00

    Rays v Royals: Chirinos - Keller: 1.58 to win 1.00

    Tigers @Red Sox: Turnbull - Sale: 0.54 to win 1.00

    Nationals @Rockies: Hellickson - Anderson: 0.94 to win 1.00

     

    A: 8

    B: 1 (2 running)

    C: 2 

    D: 0

    Lost: 2

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thasian:

    All new series. Let's go and win back some money!  

    Yankees @Angels: Happ - Harvey: 1.03 to win 1.00

    Astros v Twins: Peacock - Odorizzi: 1.71 to win 1.00

    Diamondbacks @Pirates: Godley - Musgrove: 0.82 to win 1.00

    Rays v Royals: Chirinos - Keller: 1.58 to win 1.00

    Tigers @Red Sox: Turnbull - Sale: 0.54 to win 1.00

    Nationals @Rockies: Hellickson - Anderson: 0.94 to win 1.00

     

    A: 8

    B: 1 (2 running)

    C: 2 

    D: 0

    Lost: 2

     

    -21.30

     
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    Posted: Apr. 23, 2019 - 4:44 AM ET #18

    Todays A-Bets, will post the specific bets when I find the time and got odds with a little less juice as right now:

    Tigers @Red Sox

    Dodgers @Cubs

    Braves @Reds

    All three times the road-team

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    Todays A-Bets, will post the specific bets when I find the time and got odds with a little less juice as right now:

    Tigers @Red Sox

    Dodgers @Cubs

    Braves @Reds

    All three times the road-team

     
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    Posted: Apr. 23, 2019 - 10:56 AM ET #19

    Tigers @Red Sox (A): Boyd - Sale: 2.20 to win 1.00

     

    Rest follows, I think I will post all remaining bets at once, so I will wait how Game 1 of DET @BOS plays out.

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    Tigers @Red Sox (A): Boyd - Sale: 2.20 to win 1.00

     

    Rest follows, I think I will post all remaining bets at once, so I will wait how Game 1 of DET @BOS plays out.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 23, 2019 - 5:36 PM ET #20

    So, the Tigers beat Sale. Well, I knew that of course! ;) To be honest, I'm quite happy with this and expected a B-Bet... ESPN and Co told me so..

     

    Anyway. Here are all games - mentioning Tigers-Red Sox again, to ease quoting tomorrow for the report.

     

    Astros @Twins (B): Miley - Pineda: 5.13 to win 3.71

    Nationals @Rockies (B): Corbin - Hoffman: 4.85 to win 2.94

    Tigers @Red Sox (A): Boyd - Sale: 2.20 to win 1.00

    Dodgers @Cubs (A): Maeda - Quintana: 1.00 to win 1.00

    Braves @Reds (A): Gausman - Gray: 1.14 to win 1.00

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    So, the Tigers beat Sale. Well, I knew that of course! ;) To be honest, I'm quite happy with this and expected a B-Bet... ESPN and Co told me so..

     

    Anyway. Here are all games - mentioning Tigers-Red Sox again, to ease quoting tomorrow for the report.

     

    Astros @Twins (B): Miley - Pineda: 5.13 to win 3.71

    Nationals @Rockies (B): Corbin - Hoffman: 4.85 to win 2.94

    Tigers @Red Sox (A): Boyd - Sale: 2.20 to win 1.00

    Dodgers @Cubs (A): Maeda - Quintana: 1.00 to win 1.00

    Braves @Reds (A): Gausman - Gray: 1.14 to win 1.00

     
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    Posted: Apr. 23, 2019 - 8:10 PM ET #21

    Nationals bet, isn't that too big as you only lost .9 first game?

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    Nationals bet, isn't that too big as you only lost .9 first game?

     
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    Posted: Apr. 23, 2019 - 9:47 PM ET #22

    So I realized, if you bet 1.1 to win 1... game 2 bet, isn't it to win 1 + 1.1? You seem to be adding the bet plus win amount potential plus anot her unit? 

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    So I realized, if you bet 1.1 to win 1... game 2 bet, isn't it to win 1 + 1.1? You seem to be adding the bet plus win amount potential plus anot her unit? 

     
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    Posted: Apr. 24, 2019 - 2:34 AM ET #23

    Quote Originally Posted by yanks21x:

    So I realized, if you bet 1.1 to win 1... game 2 bet, isn't it to win 1 + 1.1? You seem to be adding the bet plus win amount potential plus anot her unit?

     

    I add one unit "to win" per Game. Rewarding me for the extra work, so to say, and aiming for 1 unit per game.

    Quick example, all bets at 2.0 / +100 :

    A-Game: Risk 1.00 to win 1.00 (my one unit, I want to have)

    B-Game: Risk 3.00 to win 3.00 (1 unit loss recovery, 1 unit "to win" from the A-Game, 1 extra unit since its B-Game)

    C-Game: Risk 7.00 to win 7.00; 1+3=4 units loss recovery, 1 unit each for A,B,C [third stage, so i want 3 units]

    D-Game: Risk 15.00 to win 15.00; 1+3+7=11 units loss recovery, 1 unit each for A,B,C,D [fourth stage, so i want 4 units]

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    So I realized, if you bet 1.1 to win 1... game 2 bet, isn't it to win 1 + 1.1? You seem to be adding the bet plus win amount potential plus anot her unit?

     

    I add one unit "to win" per Game. Rewarding me for the extra work, so to say, and aiming for 1 unit per game.

    Quick example, all bets at 2.0 / +100 :

    A-Game: Risk 1.00 to win 1.00 (my one unit, I want to have)

    B-Game: Risk 3.00 to win 3.00 (1 unit loss recovery, 1 unit "to win" from the A-Game, 1 extra unit since its B-Game)

    C-Game: Risk 7.00 to win 7.00; 1+3=4 units loss recovery, 1 unit each for A,B,C [third stage, so i want 3 units]

    D-Game: Risk 15.00 to win 15.00; 1+3+7=11 units loss recovery, 1 unit each for A,B,C,D [fourth stage, so i want 4 units]

     
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    Posted: Apr. 24, 2019 - 2:36 AM ET #24

    Quote Originally Posted by Thasian:

     

    Astros @Twins (B): Miley - Pineda: 5.13 to win 3.71

    Nationals @Rockies (B): Corbin - Hoffman: 4.85 to win 2.94

    Tigers @Red Sox (A): Boyd - Sale: 2.20 to win 1.00

    Dodgers @Cubs (A): Maeda - Quintana: 1.00 to win 1.00

    Braves @Reds (A): Gausman - Gray: 1.14 to win 1.00

    A: 9

    B: 3 (2 running=

    C: 2

    D: 0

    Lost: 2

    -15.79

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    Astros @Twins (B): Miley - Pineda: 5.13 to win 3.71

    Nationals @Rockies (B): Corbin - Hoffman: 4.85 to win 2.94

    Tigers @Red Sox (A): Boyd - Sale: 2.20 to win 1.00

    Dodgers @Cubs (A): Maeda - Quintana: 1.00 to win 1.00

    Braves @Reds (A): Gausman - Gray: 1.14 to win 1.00

    A: 9

    B: 3 (2 running=

    C: 2

    D: 0

    Lost: 2

    -15.79

     
     
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    Posted: Apr. 24, 2019 - 7:07 AM ET #25

    Dodgers @Cubs (B): Buehler - Hamels: 3.35 to win 3.00

    Braves @Reds (B): Soroka - Roark: 3.77 to win 3.14

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    Dodgers @Cubs (B): Buehler - Hamels: 3.35 to win 3.00

    Braves @Reds (B): Soroka - Roark: 3.77 to win 3.14

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