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    Posted: Jul. 30, 2007 - 5:52 PM ET #1

    Hey guys -
     
    I am the type of player who is always looking for a way to beat the books with not a whole lot of effort and analysis expended.  I know, there are many people who say "systems" don't work.  However, I do not have the time daily to put in the hours of research necessary to cap every sport and make a profit.
     
    That being said, I am usually looking for different spots in different sports where I can take advantage of historical and situational situations.  Two years ago I came up with an NBA Totals System, as some may remember, and hit at about 58% for the year, I believe.  Also, I came up with an NCAA basketball system, that hit at about 69%.  Very nice profits there.
     
    Finally, I have come up with a baseball system, and I wanted to share it.  I started this about two weeks ago, and am 6-0 so far.  Here's how it works:
     
    This is an OVER / UNDER MLB Chase System.  The goal is to find a series in which two teams have historically produced an inordiante amount of either OVERS or UNDERS.  Then, you chase that result to win one unit.  So, if two teams have produced 15-5 to the Over over the past 3 seasons, you would chase the OVER.  If you lose your first -110 bet, you double up for the next game, to win 1 unit plus the juice and the unit you lost. 
     
    Moreover, the goal is to find series in which there has not been 3 in a row of the opposite result that you are chasing.  For instance, if Detroit and Tampa Bay have produced 14 OVERS and 6 UNDERS for the last 20 meetings, but 3 of those UNDERS came in a streak one season, and 3 more the next, then that series would be a no play.  In this sense, you are betting AGAINST the possibility that the series you pick will be the first time in 20 meetings where the wrong result will occur three times. 
     
    My criteria are semi-stringent.  For the Last Ten meetings between the teams, the result has to have hit at a 70% clip.  For the last 20 meetings, the result has to have hit at a 60% clip.  Finally, there can not be an OVER or UNDER result, the opposite of what we are chasing, over 2 games.
     
    So far this year, I am 6-0 on the 6 series I have played, +6 units.  I will post my plays here if anyone is interested, and wants to follow along.  For today, since there was only one game, I actually relaxed the Longest Streak category, and played a series that has hit 1 three game streak, since its the only series I am playing today.  Hopefully, it will still be a winner. 
     
    Here's the play:
     
    1: Kansas City @ Minnesota UNDER 8.5 (1/1)
     
    Last 10: UNDER is 7-3 (70%)
    Last 20: UNDER is 13-7 (65%)
    Largest OVER streak is 3 games
     
     
    Remember, no matter how good a play looks, you CANNOT go large on it.  Sometimes, I will be playing 4 series on a given day. If you go big and lose, you will have to double up the next game, and have a chance of losing your bankroll.  My units are 6% of my bankroll right now (yes this is rather large, but I am trying to build it quickly.)
     
    Good luck if you follow, and I'll be back to update after the game. 
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    Hey guys -
     
    I am the type of player who is always looking for a way to beat the books with not a whole lot of effort and analysis expended.  I know, there are many people who say "systems" don't work.  However, I do not have the time daily to put in the hours of research necessary to cap every sport and make a profit.
     
    That being said, I am usually looking for different spots in different sports where I can take advantage of historical and situational situations.  Two years ago I came up with an NBA Totals System, as some may remember, and hit at about 58% for the year, I believe.  Also, I came up with an NCAA basketball system, that hit at about 69%.  Very nice profits there.
     
    Finally, I have come up with a baseball system, and I wanted to share it.  I started this about two weeks ago, and am 6-0 so far.  Here's how it works:
     
    This is an OVER / UNDER MLB Chase System.  The goal is to find a series in which two teams have historically produced an inordiante amount of either OVERS or UNDERS.  Then, you chase that result to win one unit.  So, if two teams have produced 15-5 to the Over over the past 3 seasons, you would chase the OVER.  If you lose your first -110 bet, you double up for the next game, to win 1 unit plus the juice and the unit you lost. 
     
    Moreover, the goal is to find series in which there has not been 3 in a row of the opposite result that you are chasing.  For instance, if Detroit and Tampa Bay have produced 14 OVERS and 6 UNDERS for the last 20 meetings, but 3 of those UNDERS came in a streak one season, and 3 more the next, then that series would be a no play.  In this sense, you are betting AGAINST the possibility that the series you pick will be the first time in 20 meetings where the wrong result will occur three times. 
     
    My criteria are semi-stringent.  For the Last Ten meetings between the teams, the result has to have hit at a 70% clip.  For the last 20 meetings, the result has to have hit at a 60% clip.  Finally, there can not be an OVER or UNDER result, the opposite of what we are chasing, over 2 games.
     
    So far this year, I am 6-0 on the 6 series I have played, +6 units.  I will post my plays here if anyone is interested, and wants to follow along.  For today, since there was only one game, I actually relaxed the Longest Streak category, and played a series that has hit 1 three game streak, since its the only series I am playing today.  Hopefully, it will still be a winner. 
     
    Here's the play:
     
    1: Kansas City @ Minnesota UNDER 8.5 (1/1)
     
    Last 10: UNDER is 7-3 (70%)
    Last 20: UNDER is 13-7 (65%)
    Largest OVER streak is 3 games
     
     
    Remember, no matter how good a play looks, you CANNOT go large on it.  Sometimes, I will be playing 4 series on a given day. If you go big and lose, you will have to double up the next game, and have a chance of losing your bankroll.  My units are 6% of my bankroll right now (yes this is rather large, but I am trying to build it quickly.)
     
    Good luck if you follow, and I'll be back to update after the game. 
     
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    Posted: Jul. 31, 2007 - 6:04 AM ET #2

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    Looks like your play was a success. Which source are you using for your research on historical data on the TOTALS? And is there a reason that you set your system's max plays at two, instead of using it on game three of a series if there was ever the need?

    Overall, I'm intrigued your system. I might tag along.

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    Looks like your play was a success. Which source are you using for your research on historical data on the TOTALS? And is there a reason that you set your system's max plays at two, instead of using it on game three of a series if there was ever the need?

    Overall, I'm intrigued your system. I might tag along.

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    Posted: Jul. 31, 2007 - 1:47 PM ET #3

    DeltaSig -  You must have misunderstood.  The Largest Streak is the largest there has been between those two teams.  I don't want to play a series in which, say, the OVER has hit three times in a row when I am chasing the UNDER.  So, I don't usually play series where there is a 3x result in a row.  That should clear things up.  I haven't had to yet, but am prepared to chase to Game 3 of any series. 
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    DeltaSig -  You must have misunderstood.  The Largest Streak is the largest there has been between those two teams.  I don't want to play a series in which, say, the OVER has hit three times in a row when I am chasing the UNDER.  So, I don't usually play series where there is a 3x result in a row.  That should clear things up.  I haven't had to yet, but am prepared to chase to Game 3 of any series. 
     
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    Posted: Jul. 31, 2007 - 4:15 PM ET #4

    Excellent info BigDaddy and it definitely looks like you might have something there.  I think this forum has the most potential on any on covers but usually gets fill up with people just keeping track of their records with little logic to their plays.  Hope you continue to post your plays, this forum needs more threads like this one.
     
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    Excellent info BigDaddy and it definitely looks like you might have something there.  I think this forum has the most potential on any on covers but usually gets fill up with people just keeping track of their records with little logic to their plays.  Hope you continue to post your plays, this forum needs more threads like this one.
     
     
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    Posted: Jul. 31, 2007 - 4:19 PM ET #5

    One question BigDaddy,  how do you deal with pushes?  Two series starting tonight that look like they might fall into this system (just looked at a few series so far) are Rangers/ Indians (Over) and WhiteSox/Yankees (Under) but both have some pushes in the last 10 meetings.
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    One question BigDaddy,  how do you deal with pushes?  Two series starting tonight that look like they might fall into this system (just looked at a few series so far) are Rangers/ Indians (Over) and WhiteSox/Yankees (Under) but both have some pushes in the last 10 meetings.
     
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    Forkboy -
     
    I posted today's plays in the regular baseball forum, but will post them here as well for you to follow.  As far as pushes go, I don't count them.  So, if a team is 5-3-2 the last 10 to the UNDER, (like the Yankees game), it is going to be a play, since 5/8 = 63%  I know this is a little lower than my 70% limit, but there is a little wiggle room on the Last 10 category when the last 20 category is at 73% (Like the Yanks under tonight). 
     
    Here is my post from the baseball forum:
     
     
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    Forkboy -
     
    I posted today's plays in the regular baseball forum, but will post them here as well for you to follow.  As far as pushes go, I don't count them.  So, if a team is 5-3-2 the last 10 to the UNDER, (like the Yankees game), it is going to be a play, since 5/8 = 63%  I know this is a little lower than my 70% limit, but there is a little wiggle room on the Last 10 category when the last 20 category is at 73% (Like the Yanks under tonight). 
     
    Here is my post from the baseball forum:
     
     
     
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    Posted: Jul. 31, 2007 - 5:13 PM ET #7

    Running Total: 7-3-1
    Chase System Overall: 7-0 (+ 7 units)

    Should have left the total at 2 units, but oh well. Pulled back when I realized that there are 4 plays starting today. Let's get to it:

    (1/3):White sox @ Yankees UNDER 10.5 (1.1/1)

    Last 10: UNDER is 5-3-2
    Last 20: UUNDER is 13-5-2
    Largest OVER streak is 2 games

    (1/3): Marlins @ Rockies UNDER 9 (1.1/1)

    Last 10: UNDER is 7-3
    Last 20: UNDER is 12-7-1
    Largest OVER streak is 2 games

    (1/3): Cards @ Pirates UNDER 8.5 (1.1/1)

    Last 10: UNDER is 6-1-3
    Last 20: UNDER is 13-4-3
    Largest OVER streak is 2 games

    (1/3): Mets @ Brewers OVER 9 (1.65/1.5)

    Last 10: OVER is 8-1-1
    Last 20: OVER is 17-1-2!!
    There has only been ONE under in 4 seasons!

    I know that I am upping my bet on the Mets/Brewers game, but it is not often you see a total this strong. The early money is on it, and the trends and pitchers support it. Good luck tomorrow if you're playing any of these with me...... will update juice tomorrow when it is solidified.
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    Running Total: 7-3-1
    Chase System Overall: 7-0 (+ 7 units)

    Should have left the total at 2 units, but oh well. Pulled back when I realized that there are 4 plays starting today. Let's get to it:

    (1/3):White sox @ Yankees UNDER 10.5 (1.1/1)

    Last 10: UNDER is 5-3-2
    Last 20: UUNDER is 13-5-2
    Largest OVER streak is 2 games

    (1/3): Marlins @ Rockies UNDER 9 (1.1/1)

    Last 10: UNDER is 7-3
    Last 20: UNDER is 12-7-1
    Largest OVER streak is 2 games

    (1/3): Cards @ Pirates UNDER 8.5 (1.1/1)

    Last 10: UNDER is 6-1-3
    Last 20: UNDER is 13-4-3
    Largest OVER streak is 2 games

    (1/3): Mets @ Brewers OVER 9 (1.65/1.5)

    Last 10: OVER is 8-1-1
    Last 20: OVER is 17-1-2!!
    There has only been ONE under in 4 seasons!

    I know that I am upping my bet on the Mets/Brewers game, but it is not often you see a total this strong. The early money is on it, and the trends and pitchers support it. Good luck tomorrow if you're playing any of these with me...... will update juice tomorrow when it is solidified.
     
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    Also, I should point out that if a series pushes, then that series is scrapped, and no more chasing is done on it.  This is because if the first game pushes, then the next two could easily be losses - you are losing a full third of your chances of doubling up and winning.  So, if you lose the first game and push the second, that unit lost on the first game is simply a loss, and can't be made up. 
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    Also, I should point out that if a series pushes, then that series is scrapped, and no more chasing is done on it.  This is because if the first game pushes, then the next two could easily be losses - you are losing a full third of your chances of doubling up and winning.  So, if you lose the first game and push the second, that unit lost on the first game is simply a loss, and can't be made up. 
     
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    Posted: Jul. 31, 2007 - 9:54 PM ET #9

    Jesus, there are no mediocre days with this system so far. Either I win 'em all or lose 'em all.

    One fuckin 7 run inning and 6 scoreless fucks me in Florida for the push. Other three are losses. Game 2's to follow tomorrow

    Running Total: 7-6-2
    Chase System Overall: 7-0 (3 series pending)
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    Jesus, there are no mediocre days with this system so far. Either I win 'em all or lose 'em all.

    One fuckin 7 run inning and 6 scoreless fucks me in Florida for the push. Other three are losses. Game 2's to follow tomorrow

    Running Total: 7-6-2
    Chase System Overall: 7-0 (3 series pending)
     
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    Running Total: 7-6-2
    Chase System Overall: 7-0 (+ 7 units) (3 series pending)

    Yesterday was an ass rape. One monumental scoring inning in Florida fucked me, at least hung on for the push, though. Mets and Yanks weren't close. Pitt pitchers couldn't close out K's when they were 0-2, 1-2 in the count, kept giving up big hits, absolutely frustrating. Anyway, onto today:'

    (2/3): White Sox @ Yankees UNDER 10 (2.31/2.1)

    (2/3): Cards @ Pirates UNDER 9.5 (2.31/2.1)

    (2/3): Mets @ Brewers OVER 9 (3.3/3)


    Haven't gone past a Game 2 yet, but we'll see what happens.
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    Running Total: 7-6-2
    Chase System Overall: 7-0 (+ 7 units) (3 series pending)

    Yesterday was an ass rape. One monumental scoring inning in Florida fucked me, at least hung on for the push, though. Mets and Yanks weren't close. Pitt pitchers couldn't close out K's when they were 0-2, 1-2 in the count, kept giving up big hits, absolutely frustrating. Anyway, onto today:'

    (2/3): White Sox @ Yankees UNDER 10 (2.31/2.1)

    (2/3): Cards @ Pirates UNDER 9.5 (2.31/2.1)

    (2/3): Mets @ Brewers OVER 9 (3.3/3)


    Haven't gone past a Game 2 yet, but we'll see what happens.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 1, 2007 - 12:59 PM ET #11

    Updated juice:
     
    (2/3): White Sox @ Yankees UNDER 10 (2.52/2.1)

    (2/3): Cards @ Pirates UNDER 9.5 (2.52/2.1)

    (2/3): Mets @ Brewers OVER 9 (2.65/2.65)
     
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    (2/3): White Sox @ Yankees UNDER 10 (2.52/2.1)

    (2/3): Cards @ Pirates UNDER 9.5 (2.52/2.1)

    (2/3): Mets @ Brewers OVER 9 (2.65/2.65)
     
    Good luck, anyone who is following!
     
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    Posted: Aug. 1, 2007 - 1:15 PM ET #12

    Oh, and I actually got 10.5 here on the Yanks UNDER.
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    Oh, and I actually got 10.5 here on the Yanks UNDER.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 2, 2007 - 12:14 AM ET #13

    Nice...2-1 night
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    Posted: Aug. 2, 2007 - 5:50 AM ET #14

    Running Total: 9-7-2
    Chase System Overall: 9-0 (+ 9 units) (1 series pending)

    Closed two out. On the first Game 3 since I started, let's hope I get it. Thought about duckin out and just finding new series, but fuck it, I'm in for the long haul.

    Cardinals @ Pirates UNDER 9.5 (6.18/5.62)

    Let's do it.
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    Running Total: 9-7-2
    Chase System Overall: 9-0 (+ 9 units) (1 series pending)

    Closed two out. On the first Game 3 since I started, let's hope I get it. Thought about duckin out and just finding new series, but fuck it, I'm in for the long haul.

    Cardinals @ Pirates UNDER 9.5 (6.18/5.62)

    Let's do it.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 2, 2007 - 4:20 PM ET #16

     Wow that was huge !
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     Wow that was huge !
     
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    Posted: Aug. 2, 2007 - 5:12 PM ET #17

    Wow...this is amazing
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    Posted: Aug. 2, 2007 - 5:36 PM ET #18

    Congrats. I didn't realize the game was being played in the morning [PST], so I ate the two [2] losses. Life.

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    Congrats. I didn't realize the game was being played in the morning [PST], so I ate the two [2] losses. Life.

    E
     
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    Posted: Aug. 2, 2007 - 6:30 PM ET #19

    Nice
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    Posted: Aug. 2, 2007 - 11:04 PM ET #20

    Running Total: 10-7-2
    Chase System Overall: 10-0 (+11 units)

    Hit my first Game 3 yesterday. It was a nailbiter, but alas, a winner. I am up 11 units now - in my drunken state when I put the bet in, I bet to win 2 units overall on the series. Should have bet to win 4.62 yesterday, but bet to win 5.62. Hence, 11 units in 10 series.

    Time to press onward, with a couple new ones:


    (1/3): Texas @ Toronto UNDER 8.5 (1.1/1)

    Last 10: UNDER is 7-3
    Last 20: UNDER is 12-7-1
    Largest OVER streak is 3 games, but it was in 2004

    (1/3): La Angels @ Oakland UNDER 9 (1.1/1)

    Last 10: UNDER is 7-3
    Last 20: UNDER is 15-5
    Largest OVER streak is 2 games

    Hope it continues. Thanks to everyone for all of the well-wishes. Let's hope the winning continues.
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    Running Total: 10-7-2
    Chase System Overall: 10-0 (+11 units)

    Hit my first Game 3 yesterday. It was a nailbiter, but alas, a winner. I am up 11 units now - in my drunken state when I put the bet in, I bet to win 2 units overall on the series. Should have bet to win 4.62 yesterday, but bet to win 5.62. Hence, 11 units in 10 series.

    Time to press onward, with a couple new ones:


    (1/3): Texas @ Toronto UNDER 8.5 (1.1/1)

    Last 10: UNDER is 7-3
    Last 20: UNDER is 12-7-1
    Largest OVER streak is 3 games, but it was in 2004

    (1/3): La Angels @ Oakland UNDER 9 (1.1/1)

    Last 10: UNDER is 7-3
    Last 20: UNDER is 15-5
    Largest OVER streak is 2 games

    Hope it continues. Thanks to everyone for all of the well-wishes. Let's hope the winning continues.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 2, 2007 - 11:21 PM ET #21

    Fuck.

    Didn't realize the Oakland series started yesterday. Hard to keep up sometimes. If the game sneaks OVER tonight, it will be a play, if not, the series is scrapped. Damnit, mad at myself for missing that play today.
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    Fuck.

    Didn't realize the Oakland series started yesterday. Hard to keep up sometimes. If the game sneaks OVER tonight, it will be a play, if not, the series is scrapped. Damnit, mad at myself for missing that play today.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 3, 2007 - 12:58 AM ET #22

    Good you didn't play it. 6-4 in the ninth.
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    Good you didn't play it. 6-4 in the ninth.
     
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    Yep saved yourself some units on the chase
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    Yep saved yourself some units on the chase
     
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    Posted: Aug. 3, 2007 - 1:13 AM ET #24

    Thanks guys.
     
    Game went OVER. Will be a play tomorrow. This is a little different, but the trends are still there, so I am gonna try it.
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    Thanks guys.
     
    Game went OVER. Will be a play tomorrow. This is a little different, but the trends are still there, so I am gonna try it.
     
     
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