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    How do you learn to become a capper?

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    Posted: Feb. 16, 2007 - 8:43 PM ET #1

    I read everyday and I hear I capped this game and this is why they will win or lose. How do you become a capper? I normally pick the team on gut or I watch the teams and take who is playing great.
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    I read everyday and I hear I capped this game and this is why they will win or lose. How do you become a capper? I normally pick the team on gut or I watch the teams and take who is playing great.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 16, 2007 - 10:02 PM ET #2

     
     
    Depends on what sport you are talking about; cap different sports different ways.
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    Depends on what sport you are talking about; cap different sports different ways.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 16, 2007 - 10:15 PM ET #3

    watch sports , look at matchup statistic , join places like nbx.com fantasy or talk to some serious
    cappers at sportsunit.com etc etc

    works good.
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    watch sports , look at matchup statistic , join places like nbx.com fantasy or talk to some serious
    cappers at sportsunit.com etc etc

    works good.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 18, 2007 - 4:51 PM ET #4

    1) print out the lines for the day on your printer
    2) tack them up on a wall
    3) step back 8 feet
    4) throw a dart at the paper
    5) bet whatever it lands on
     
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    1) print out the lines for the day on your printer
    2) tack them up on a wall
    3) step back 8 feet
    4) throw a dart at the paper
    5) bet whatever it lands on
     
     
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    Posted: Feb. 20, 2007 - 1:04 AM ET #5

    That's how John Dobbs does it!  He's hitting about 38% this year...

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    That's how John Dobbs does it!  He's hitting about 38% this year...

     
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    Posted: Feb. 20, 2007 - 7:29 PM ET #6

    i want to add to the question, ML ers say: "this team has a 35% chance of winning at whatever +410 you gotta love that." where the hell did you get 35%. i bet horses too, but i still dont know where you get a % for the under dog to win.
    do you just say hell i think duke beats unc 2 out of 10 times on a nuetral court so 20% or do you actually have a system or formula for these percentages?
     
    im drunk so that might come off wrong, i have the ultimate respect for people that cap this way, and really want to know.
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    i want to add to the question, ML ers say: "this team has a 35% chance of winning at whatever +410 you gotta love that." where the hell did you get 35%. i bet horses too, but i still dont know where you get a % for the under dog to win.
    do you just say hell i think duke beats unc 2 out of 10 times on a nuetral court so 20% or do you actually have a system or formula for these percentages?
     
    im drunk so that might come off wrong, i have the ultimate respect for people that cap this way, and really want to know.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2007 - 9:39 AM ET #7

    It's more of an art than a science. Thats why artists sometimes make a lot more than scientists.
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    It's more of an art than a science. Thats why artists sometimes make a lot more than scientists.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 1, 2007 - 3:00 AM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by ChanceP:

    1) print out the lines for the day on your printer
    2) tack them up on a wall
    3) step back 8 feet
    4) throw a dart at the paper
    5) bet whatever it lands on
     


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    Quote Originally Posted by ChanceP:

    1) print out the lines for the day on your printer
    2) tack them up on a wall
    3) step back 8 feet
    4) throw a dart at the paper
    5) bet whatever it lands on
     


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    Posted: Mar. 1, 2007 - 3:01 AM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by daytonavol:

     
     
    Depends on what sport you are talking about; cap different sports different ways.


    Very true.  You need to follow the sport closely to learn the ins and outs.  Pay
    very close attention to the teams, the players, and the stats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daytonavol:

     
     
    Depends on what sport you are talking about; cap different sports different ways.


    Very true.  You need to follow the sport closely to learn the ins and outs.  Pay
    very close attention to the teams, the players, and the stats.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 16, 2007 - 1:06 PM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by Turbo21:

    I read everyday and I hear I capped this game and this is why they will win or lose. How do you become a capper? I normally pick the team on gut or I watch the teams and take who is playing great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbo21:

    I read everyday and I hear I capped this game and this is why they will win or lose. How do you become a capper? I normally pick the team on gut or I watch the teams and take who is playing great.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2007 - 2:09 PM ET #11

    You don't.  You can either can cap or you can't.  People don't wanna believe that but I've found that you have to have something I call "sports instincts."  I can't explain what it is or how you get it, but I can say it involves knowing the teams involved, a lot of statistical understanding, and knowing when to go or not go with you're gut feeling.  If you just go with the "best team" or the best stats, you won't be sucessful.  If you just go with yu're gut all the time, you won't be sucessful that way either.  The key is knowing when to use either one or the other or both.  GL
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    You don't.  You can either can cap or you can't.  People don't wanna believe that but I've found that you have to have something I call "sports instincts."  I can't explain what it is or how you get it, but I can say it involves knowing the teams involved, a lot of statistical understanding, and knowing when to go or not go with you're gut feeling.  If you just go with the "best team" or the best stats, you won't be sucessful.  If you just go with yu're gut all the time, you won't be sucessful that way either.  The key is knowing when to use either one or the other or both.  GL
     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2007 - 11:02 AM ET #12

    The best thing to do is read a book on betting the sport you want to know about.  Look at the game logs and take notes on what the winning team has most of the tme. 
     
    If you look at the NFL game logs on monday or tuesday you'll notice that 95% of the winning teams finish the game with a higher YPP.
     
    In hockey you'll notice most winning teams have a higher SOG than the losers. 
     
    Obviously there is more to it but finding these stats can help a lot. 
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    The best thing to do is read a book on betting the sport you want to know about.  Look at the game logs and take notes on what the winning team has most of the tme. 
     
    If you look at the NFL game logs on monday or tuesday you'll notice that 95% of the winning teams finish the game with a higher YPP.
     
    In hockey you'll notice most winning teams have a higher SOG than the losers. 
     
    Obviously there is more to it but finding these stats can help a lot. 
     
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    Posted: Aug. 27, 2007 - 1:35 AM ET #13

    big mistake to look at stats, thats right, big mistake, you have to look how the stats were achieved. find out why a certain stat came about.
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    big mistake to look at stats, thats right, big mistake, you have to look how the stats were achieved. find out why a certain stat came about.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 2, 2007 - 10:49 AM ET #14

    Quote Originally Posted by K_Z_Z_A88:

    You don't.  You can either can cap or you can't.  People don't wanna believe that but I've found that you have to have something I call "sports instincts."  I can't explain what it is or how you get it, but I can say it involves knowing the teams involved, a lot of statistical understanding, and knowing when to go or not go with you're gut feeling.  If you just go with the "best team" or the best stats, you won't be sucessful.  If you just go with yu're gut all the time, you won't be sucessful that way either.  The key is knowing when to use either one or the other or both.  GL


    Not absolutely correct. While I would certainly hope that anyone handicapping (or betting in general) has a decent knowledge of that particular sports, some of the more prominent professional gamblers are former mathematicians who can identify the weaknesses in the inner workings of the business.

    I, for example, have perfected a score prediction system for baseball that requires minimal knowledge about the sport -- just some familiarity with excel, scores, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by K_Z_Z_A88:

    You don't.  You can either can cap or you can't.  People don't wanna believe that but I've found that you have to have something I call "sports instincts."  I can't explain what it is or how you get it, but I can say it involves knowing the teams involved, a lot of statistical understanding, and knowing when to go or not go with you're gut feeling.  If you just go with the "best team" or the best stats, you won't be sucessful.  If you just go with yu're gut all the time, you won't be sucessful that way either.  The key is knowing when to use either one or the other or both.  GL


    Not absolutely correct. While I would certainly hope that anyone handicapping (or betting in general) has a decent knowledge of that particular sports, some of the more prominent professional gamblers are former mathematicians who can identify the weaknesses in the inner workings of the business.

    I, for example, have perfected a score prediction system for baseball that requires minimal knowledge about the sport -- just some familiarity with excel, scores, etc.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by lanastasis:



    Not absolutely correct. While I would certainly hope that anyone handicapping (or betting in general) has a decent knowledge of that particular sports, some of the more prominent professional gamblers are former mathematicians who can identify the weaknesses in the inner workings of the business.

    I, for example, have perfected a score prediction system for baseball that requires minimal knowledge about the sport -- just some familiarity with excel, scores, etc.

    Not here to argue with anyone and I certianly feel what you are saying.  The bottom line is this, sports betting is picking when the better team isn't going to play well or handle their business.   Plain and simply and while I feel the math part, the math didn't take into account USC going through the motions after they got up 21 points on Idaho yesterday, enroute to NOT clearing their 46 point spread by about 20+.  And baseball, that's another story.  Anyway, my point is, you have to consider stats not to mention plain old emotion and all that other stuff you can't measure with a equation.  Trust me I'm not attacking you but if it were simply taking the stats and running with them, we'd all be rich and quite frankly, there'd be no sports books around cause no body would stay in business.

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    Not absolutely correct. While I would certainly hope that anyone handicapping (or betting in general) has a decent knowledge of that particular sports, some of the more prominent professional gamblers are former mathematicians who can identify the weaknesses in the inner workings of the business.

    I, for example, have perfected a score prediction system for baseball that requires minimal knowledge about the sport -- just some familiarity with excel, scores, etc.

    Not here to argue with anyone and I certianly feel what you are saying.  The bottom line is this, sports betting is picking when the better team isn't going to play well or handle their business.   Plain and simply and while I feel the math part, the math didn't take into account USC going through the motions after they got up 21 points on Idaho yesterday, enroute to NOT clearing their 46 point spread by about 20+.  And baseball, that's another story.  Anyway, my point is, you have to consider stats not to mention plain old emotion and all that other stuff you can't measure with a equation.  Trust me I'm not attacking you but if it were simply taking the stats and running with them, we'd all be rich and quite frankly, there'd be no sports books around cause no body would stay in business.

     
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    Hey KZZA, nothing personal man.

    I understand what you are saying, and I can see how smarts can help many people, but I respectfully disagree that this is absolutely necessary to win consistently.

    The thing is, there is no surefire way to use numbers the right way. That is, for every 10 people who manipulate the right statistics the right way, 50 people do it the wrong way. Just like numbers rattle on to infinity, there are infinity and one ways to use stats for gambling, both correct and incorrect.

    Just like in "Smart Money", a book based on the chronicles of one of the baddest NFL handicappers back in the day, they used a complex computer system to intake a slew of stats and information and spit out a spread. And the author of the book gets his friend, a college math teacher who knows nothing about football, to develop an accurate computer program to predict NFL scores. The results were astounding.

    In fact, though I know a ton about MLB, my excel program I use to handicap requires no knowledge about anything non-statistical and I net consistent gains every week.

    Once again, it's nothing personal. But I really do believe that works for someone doesn't necessarily have to work for someone else and vice versa.  
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    Hey KZZA, nothing personal man.

    I understand what you are saying, and I can see how smarts can help many people, but I respectfully disagree that this is absolutely necessary to win consistently.

    The thing is, there is no surefire way to use numbers the right way. That is, for every 10 people who manipulate the right statistics the right way, 50 people do it the wrong way. Just like numbers rattle on to infinity, there are infinity and one ways to use stats for gambling, both correct and incorrect.

    Just like in "Smart Money", a book based on the chronicles of one of the baddest NFL handicappers back in the day, they used a complex computer system to intake a slew of stats and information and spit out a spread. And the author of the book gets his friend, a college math teacher who knows nothing about football, to develop an accurate computer program to predict NFL scores. The results were astounding.

    In fact, though I know a ton about MLB, my excel program I use to handicap requires no knowledge about anything non-statistical and I net consistent gains every week.

    Once again, it's nothing personal. But I really do believe that works for someone doesn't necessarily have to work for someone else and vice versa.  
     
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    Posted: Sep. 2, 2007 - 6:26 PM ET #17

    I have to agree with most of the ideas said here, I think we are all hitting the right key points of handicapping but it's all of what we are saying compiled together.   It's the whole process that counts, stats, emotion, math, etc.  Some sports require a little more research than others. 

    Personally I am more of a money management, stats, and value kind of handicapper.  I don't put too much time into picking a winner I'm mostly looking for value and advantage then use a tight strict bankroll system to bet.  That works for me and it might not work for others. 

    I like to keep it as simple possible but you can't put it all on the line based on a one way view. 

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    I have to agree with most of the ideas said here, I think we are all hitting the right key points of handicapping but it's all of what we are saying compiled together.   It's the whole process that counts, stats, emotion, math, etc.  Some sports require a little more research than others. 

    Personally I am more of a money management, stats, and value kind of handicapper.  I don't put too much time into picking a winner I'm mostly looking for value and advantage then use a tight strict bankroll system to bet.  That works for me and it might not work for others. 

    I like to keep it as simple possible but you can't put it all on the line based on a one way view. 

     
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    I'm a huge believer in stats, more weight in the shorter term.  But you can't just go with stats and math.  You have human beings playing these game and you have to cap emotion also.  Sometimes no matter what the stats tell you, it may be a feeling you have about the game.  Someone on a team makes a stupid comment that's put up on the other teams bulliten board.
     
     
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    I'm a huge believer in stats, more weight in the shorter term.  But you can't just go with stats and math.  You have human beings playing these game and you have to cap emotion also.  Sometimes no matter what the stats tell you, it may be a feeling you have about the game.  Someone on a team makes a stupid comment that's put up on the other teams bulliten board.
     
     
     
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    Hey KZZA, nothing personal man.

    I understand what you are saying, and I can see how smarts can help many people, but I respectfully disagree that this is absolutely necessary to win consistently.

    The thing is, there is no surefire way to use numbers the right way. That is, for every 10 people who manipulate the right statistics the right way, 50 people do it the wrong way. Just like numbers rattle on to infinity, there are infinity and one ways to use stats for gambling, both correct and incorrect.

    Just like in "Smart Money", a book based on the chronicles of one of the baddest NFL handicappers back in the day, they used a complex computer system to intake a slew of stats and information and spit out a spread. And the author of the book gets his friend, a college math teacher who knows nothing about football, to develop an accurate computer program to predict NFL scores. The results were astounding.

    In fact, though I know a ton about MLB, my excel program I use to handicap requires no knowledge about anything non-statistical and I net consistent gains every week.

    Once again, it's nothing personal. But I really do believe that works for someone doesn't necessarily have to work for someone else and vice versa.  

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    Hey KZZA, nothing personal man.

    I understand what you are saying, and I can see how smarts can help many people, but I respectfully disagree that this is absolutely necessary to win consistently.

    The thing is, there is no surefire way to use numbers the right way. That is, for every 10 people who manipulate the right statistics the right way, 50 people do it the wrong way. Just like numbers rattle on to infinity, there are infinity and one ways to use stats for gambling, both correct and incorrect.

    Just like in "Smart Money", a book based on the chronicles of one of the baddest NFL handicappers back in the day, they used a complex computer system to intake a slew of stats and information and spit out a spread. And the author of the book gets his friend, a college math teacher who knows nothing about football, to develop an accurate computer program to predict NFL scores. The results were astounding.

    In fact, though I know a ton about MLB, my excel program I use to handicap requires no knowledge about anything non-statistical and I net consistent gains every week.

    Once again, it's nothing personal. But I really do believe that works for someone doesn't necessarily have to work for someone else and vice versa.  

     
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    Posted: Sep. 2, 2007 - 8:01 PM ET #20

    I feel what everyone is saying.  I've just found that to much of math or emotion usually leaves yu're pockets light and empty.  That's really all I'm saying.
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    I feel what everyone is saying.  I've just found that to much of math or emotion usually leaves yu're pockets light and empty.  That's really all I'm saying.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lippsman:

    I'm a huge believer in stats, more weight in the shorter term.  But you can't just go with stats and math.  You have human beings playing these game and you have to cap emotion also.  Sometimes no matter what the stats tell you, it may be a feeling you have about the game.  Someone on a team makes a stupid comment that's put up on the other teams bulliten board.
     
     

    So true, for every football season I have about 4 winners that I play just based on some comment I read from a coach or a player. they don't come out often but I love them when they do. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lippsman:

    I'm a huge believer in stats, more weight in the shorter term.  But you can't just go with stats and math.  You have human beings playing these game and you have to cap emotion also.  Sometimes no matter what the stats tell you, it may be a feeling you have about the game.  Someone on a team makes a stupid comment that's put up on the other teams bulliten board.
     
     

    So true, for every football season I have about 4 winners that I play just based on some comment I read from a coach or a player. they don't come out often but I love them when they do. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by lanastasis:



    Not absolutely correct. While I would certainly hope that anyone handicapping (or betting in general) has a decent knowledge of that particular sports, some of the more prominent professional gamblers are former mathematicians who can identify the weaknesses in the inner workings of the business.

    I, for example, have perfected a score prediction system for baseball that requires minimal knowledge about the sport -- just some familiarity with excel, scores, etc.

     

    Mathmatics  is key

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    Quote Originally Posted by lanastasis:



    Not absolutely correct. While I would certainly hope that anyone handicapping (or betting in general) has a decent knowledge of that particular sports, some of the more prominent professional gamblers are former mathematicians who can identify the weaknesses in the inner workings of the business.

    I, for example, have perfected a score prediction system for baseball that requires minimal knowledge about the sport -- just some familiarity with excel, scores, etc.

     

    Mathmatics  is key

     
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    couldn't you just look up the NFL LVSC power rankings and determine if the spread is wrong based on where you think the teams are ranked. Also I'm trying to get into hockey, is there any recommended strategy on being successful based on stats or moneyline movement?
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    couldn't you just look up the NFL LVSC power rankings and determine if the spread is wrong based on where you think the teams are ranked. Also I'm trying to get into hockey, is there any recommended strategy on being successful based on stats or moneyline movement?
     
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     How do you become a capper?

    You put your right hand in,
    You put your right hand out,
    You put your right hand in,
    And you shake it all about,

    You do the hokey pokey
    and you turn yourself around
    That what it's all about.

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     How do you become a capper?

    You put your right hand in,
    You put your right hand out,
    You put your right hand in,
    And you shake it all about,

    You do the hokey pokey
    and you turn yourself around
    That what it's all about.

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevk87:

    couldn't you just look up the NFL LVSC power rankings and determine if the spread is wrong based on where you think the teams are ranked. Also I'm trying to get into hockey, is there any recommended strategy on being successful based on stats or moneyline movement?


    You're joking, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevk87:

    couldn't you just look up the NFL LVSC power rankings and determine if the spread is wrong based on where you think the teams are ranked. Also I'm trying to get into hockey, is there any recommended strategy on being successful based on stats or moneyline movement?


    You're joking, right?
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