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    Posted: Oct. 3, 2017 - 9:52 PM ET #1

    Ok so I used this last year and this year and have had good results and figured I would share and get some thoughts and feedback. So this is a handicapping method for the NFL not a system. So essentially I use fantasy football stats to handicap the game. So you need to set up a fantasy football league with all the NFL teams and set their lineups with the starting and backup players and then set the teams to play each other each week based on the NFL schedule. So you know how you can see the projected matchup scoring based on projected fantasy football points? For example, this past week the Patriots lineup (qb, wr, wr, wr, rb, etc,etc) was projected to score 110 fantasy points and the panthers projected to score 63 fantasy points. So a delta of 47. I take the delta (47) and divide by the line (-8.5) adjusting by -2 if the home team is a favorite or +4 if the home team is a dog. Remember the fantasy projections do not factor in home field advantage.

    If the result (favorite factor) is less than 10 take the dog - if it's more than 10 take the favorite.

    I'll post this weeks (week 5) - later this week so you can see how it's doing
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    Ok so I used this last year and this year and have had good results and figured I would share and get some thoughts and feedback. So this is a handicapping method for the NFL not a system. So essentially I use fantasy football stats to handicap the game. So you need to set up a fantasy football league with all the NFL teams and set their lineups with the starting and backup players and then set the teams to play each other each week based on the NFL schedule. So you know how you can see the projected matchup scoring based on projected fantasy football points? For example, this past week the Patriots lineup (qb, wr, wr, wr, rb, etc,etc) was projected to score 110 fantasy points and the panthers projected to score 63 fantasy points. So a delta of 47. I take the delta (47) and divide by the line (-8.5) adjusting by -2 if the home team is a favorite or +4 if the home team is a dog. Remember the fantasy projections do not factor in home field advantage.

    If the result (favorite factor) is less than 10 take the dog - if it's more than 10 take the favorite.

    I'll post this weeks (week 5) - later this week so you can see how it's doing
     
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    Posted: Oct. 3, 2017 - 9:57 PM ET #2

    Week 1: 8-15 53%
    Week 2: 9-16 56%
    Week 3: 12-16 75%
    Week 4: 11-16 69%

    Now keep in mind you don't bet every game - you can use other criteria to decide which games you eliminate (i.e division games, line movements, etc) but this gives you your initial lean
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    Week 1: 8-15 53%
    Week 2: 9-16 56%
    Week 3: 12-16 75%
    Week 4: 11-16 69%

    Now keep in mind you don't bet every game - you can use other criteria to decide which games you eliminate (i.e division games, line movements, etc) but this gives you your initial lean
     
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    Posted: Oct. 4, 2017 - 2:54 AM ET #3

    Degen, does your weekly record include totals? I'd think it would have to given the number of games in your record. If so, do you have a breakdown on sides and totals separately?
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    Degen, does your weekly record include totals? I'd think it would have to given the number of games in your record. If so, do you have a breakdown on sides and totals separately?
     
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    Posted: Oct. 4, 2017 - 7:19 AM ET #4

    Oh sorry - I meant to write 8 out of 15 - so 8 wins 7 losses - for 53% win rate. It does not include totals
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    Oh sorry - I meant to write 8 out of 15 - so 8 wins 7 losses - for 53% win rate. It does not include totals
     
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    Posted: Oct. 4, 2017 - 7:54 AM ET #5

    Degen....Good luck buddy!  Nice to see you posting.  Thanks again for all the excel help in the past!

    keep it green 
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    Degen....Good luck buddy!  Nice to see you posting.  Thanks again for all the excel help in the past!

    keep it green 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 4, 2017 - 6:53 PM ET #6

    Welcome back DG.
    That's a good idea, gave me a thought for NHL.  I'm gonna keep a copy of the daily scorecard for each game (is it game for hockey? I don't follow it.)...projected fantasy points etc.  I'm gonna come back to it in a month and see if there is any correlation.

    Again, welcome back.  Cause of you and breaking down all your old excels, I actually know what I'm doing.
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    Welcome back DG.
    That's a good idea, gave me a thought for NHL.  I'm gonna keep a copy of the daily scorecard for each game (is it game for hockey? I don't follow it.)...projected fantasy points etc.  I'm gonna come back to it in a month and see if there is any correlation.

    Again, welcome back.  Cause of you and breaking down all your old excels, I actually know what I'm doing.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 4, 2017 - 9:13 PM ET #7

    So right now for Thursday night's game Tampa bay +5.5 is the lean. I usually check again a little before game time to make sure the projections don't change.

    TB +5.5
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    So right now for Thursday night's game Tampa bay +5.5 is the lean. I usually check again a little before game time to make sure the projections don't change.

    TB +5.5
     
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    Posted: Oct. 4, 2017 - 9:34 PM ET #8

    Degen, what are you using for the fantasy projections?
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    Degen, what are you using for the fantasy projections?
     
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    Posted: Oct. 4, 2017 - 10:27 PM ET #9

    I don't want to say the exact site on the forum - just in case. I use a spreadsheet to log in and scrape the data I need. But it's one of the major fantasy football sites if that helps.
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    I don't want to say the exact site on the forum - just in case. I use a spreadsheet to log in and scrape the data I need. But it's one of the major fantasy football sites if that helps.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DegenGamble:

    I don't want to say the exact site on the forum - just in case. I use a spreadsheet to log in and scrape the data I need. But it's one of the major fantasy football sites if that helps.

    Gotcha. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DegenGamble:

    I don't want to say the exact site on the forum - just in case. I use a spreadsheet to log in and scrape the data I need. But it's one of the major fantasy football sites if that helps.

    Gotcha. Thanks.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 4, 2017 - 11:31 PM ET #11

    very interesting.. will be following you
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    very interesting.. will be following you
     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2017 - 10:16 AM ET #12

    Quote Originally Posted by DegenGamble:

    So right now for Thursday night's game Tampa bay +5.5 is the lean. I usually check again a little before game time to make sure the projections don't change.

    TB +5.5
    The week #5 results should be interesting, especially the Bucs covering +5.5, I personally bet the OVER 55 (for what it's worth) both teams have defenses that literally 'stink' 

    appreciate you putin' this play out their, and your use of ff stats, to accommodate the handicap, giving the forum an opportunity to consider Tampa Bay +5.5 @-110   why not, it has solid overtones. and it's rated to WIN.

    take care

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    Quote Originally Posted by DegenGamble:

    So right now for Thursday night's game Tampa bay +5.5 is the lean. I usually check again a little before game time to make sure the projections don't change.

    TB +5.5
    The week #5 results should be interesting, especially the Bucs covering +5.5, I personally bet the OVER 55 (for what it's worth) both teams have defenses that literally 'stink' 

    appreciate you putin' this play out their, and your use of ff stats, to accommodate the handicap, giving the forum an opportunity to consider Tampa Bay +5.5 @-110   why not, it has solid overtones. and it's rated to WIN.

    take care

     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2017 - 11:38 AM ET #13

    @Oil,buckey, Dan rules - thanks for the welcome back. Been pretty busy so haven't been in the forum much

    @sports network - thanks - as always appreciate all your feedback on handicapping in general.

    So as I mentioned - I kind of just want to demonstrate the initial leans of the method. I don't expect people would be on every prediction - but I use them for a pick'em pool against the spread as well as isolating individual games to bet
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    @Oil,buckey, Dan rules - thanks for the welcome back. Been pretty busy so haven't been in the forum much

    @sports network - thanks - as always appreciate all your feedback on handicapping in general.

    So as I mentioned - I kind of just want to demonstrate the initial leans of the method. I don't expect people would be on every prediction - but I use them for a pick'em pool against the spread as well as isolating individual games to bet
     
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    Posted: Oct. 6, 2017 - 6:21 AM ET #14

    heads up

    The line fluctuated from +5.5 (at the time of posting) to +3.5 at kickoff

    just saying...if you played it at the time of publishing; you WON, if you waited; you lost...lets move forward to Sundays games

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    heads up

    The line fluctuated from +5.5 (at the time of posting) to +3.5 at kickoff

    just saying...if you played it at the time of publishing; you WON, if you waited; you lost...lets move forward to Sundays games

     
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    Posted: Oct. 7, 2017 - 5:50 PM ET #15

    TB +5.5 W
    JAX +8.5
    CAR +3.5
    SF +1.5
    NYG -3.5
    PHI -6
    MIA +2.5
    CLE pk
    BUF +3.5
    OAK -3
    SEA +2.5
    GB +2.5
    HOU +1.5
    CHI +2.5
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    TB +5.5 W
    JAX +8.5
    CAR +3.5
    SF +1.5
    NYG -3.5
    PHI -6
    MIA +2.5
    CLE pk
    BUF +3.5
    OAK -3
    SEA +2.5
    GB +2.5
    HOU +1.5
    CHI +2.5
     
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    Posted: Oct. 7, 2017 - 5:52 PM ET #16

    Note that CHI moved from dog to favorite which is a huge indicator - I took them in my picke'em pool at the opening line
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    Note that CHI moved from dog to favorite which is a huge indicator - I took them in my picke'em pool at the opening line
     
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    Been following this and trying to get a grasp on how you are picking your teams. I'm probably just having a slow moment. So for Thursday game I used espn fantasy projections and got team totals of PHI (98.3) and CAR (100) with delta of 1.7. Total/delta -3/1.7 = 1.76. 1.76-2(home field favorite) = -.24. That's less than 10 so take phili???
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    Been following this and trying to get a grasp on how you are picking your teams. I'm probably just having a slow moment. So for Thursday game I used espn fantasy projections and got team totals of PHI (98.3) and CAR (100) with delta of 1.7. Total/delta -3/1.7 = 1.76. 1.76-2(home field favorite) = -.24. That's less than 10 so take phili???
     
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    Posted: Oct. 10, 2017 - 7:50 AM ET #18

    *spread/delta
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    *spread/delta
     
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    Posted: Oct. 10, 2017 - 1:17 PM ET #19

    Hey, real interesting stuff here. I’m curious why you picked -2 and +4 for Home field advantage. I’m also curious on why the deciding point is 10.  Thanks!
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    Hey, real interesting stuff here. I’m curious why you picked -2 and +4 for Home field advantage. I’m also curious on why the deciding point is 10.  Thanks!
     
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    Posted: Oct. 11, 2017 - 2:46 AM ET #20

    looks like you are on to something here Degen!
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    looks like you are on to something here Degen!
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2017 - 5:02 PM ET #21

    Not exactly the best showing for the method this past week - 7-7 (50%). Hopefully this week shows better results.  I guess I can take solace in the fact that a few games could have gone either way and pushed it to a winning record for the week.  Typically I expect a winning record each week.

    TB +5.5 W
    JAX +8.5 W
    CAR +3.5 W
    SF +1.5 L
    NYG -3.5 L
    PHI -6 W
    MIA +2.5 W
    CLE pk L
    BUF +3.5 L
    OAK -3 L
    SEA +2.5 W
    GB +2.5 W
    HOU +1.5 L
    CHI +2.5 L

     

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    Not exactly the best showing for the method this past week - 7-7 (50%). Hopefully this week shows better results.  I guess I can take solace in the fact that a few games could have gone either way and pushed it to a winning record for the week.  Typically I expect a winning record each week.

    TB +5.5 W
    JAX +8.5 W
    CAR +3.5 W
    SF +1.5 L
    NYG -3.5 L
    PHI -6 W
    MIA +2.5 W
    CLE pk L
    BUF +3.5 L
    OAK -3 L
    SEA +2.5 W
    GB +2.5 W
    HOU +1.5 L
    CHI +2.5 L

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2017 - 5:38 PM ET #22

    Quote Originally Posted by rkokos19:

    Hey, real interesting stuff here. I’m curious why you picked -2 and +4 for Home field advantage. I’m also curious on why the deciding point is 10.  Thanks!

    I have been experimenting using different values for home field advantage - using 2016 season to see if the results differ - I have tried using 2.8 and 3 - without much change in results
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    Quote Originally Posted by rkokos19:

    Hey, real interesting stuff here. I’m curious why you picked -2 and +4 for Home field advantage. I’m also curious on why the deciding point is 10.  Thanks!

    I have been experimenting using different values for home field advantage - using 2016 season to see if the results differ - I have tried using 2.8 and 3 - without much change in results
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2017 - 5:49 PM ET #23

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremylynn21:

    Been following this and trying to get a grasp on how you are picking your teams. I'm probably just having a slow moment. So for Thursday game I used espn fantasy projections and got team totals of PHI (98.3) and CAR (100) with delta of 1.7. Total/delta -3/1.7 = 1.76. 1.76-2(home field favorite) = -.24. That's less than 10 so take phili???

    calculation is off a bit

    Home (100)  - Away (98.3) = Delta (1.7)
    ABS (Delta) 1.7 / (ABS (line) -3 + HFA (-2)

    So it's 1.7 / ((-3)+(-2))
    which is 1.7

    So according to your numbers - should take the dog.  However, I checked the fantasy score projections on the site I use and I don't have the projections that close - in fact I have CAR outscoring PHI in terms of fantasy points (i.e delta) of 14

    If you use that - then the play is the favorite given the line of 3 - but it's super close - in fact if the line moves to -3.5 then then it flips to take the dog.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremylynn21:

    Been following this and trying to get a grasp on how you are picking your teams. I'm probably just having a slow moment. So for Thursday game I used espn fantasy projections and got team totals of PHI (98.3) and CAR (100) with delta of 1.7. Total/delta -3/1.7 = 1.76. 1.76-2(home field favorite) = -.24. That's less than 10 so take phili???

    calculation is off a bit

    Home (100)  - Away (98.3) = Delta (1.7)
    ABS (Delta) 1.7 / (ABS (line) -3 + HFA (-2)

    So it's 1.7 / ((-3)+(-2))
    which is 1.7

    So according to your numbers - should take the dog.  However, I checked the fantasy score projections on the site I use and I don't have the projections that close - in fact I have CAR outscoring PHI in terms of fantasy points (i.e delta) of 14

    If you use that - then the play is the favorite given the line of 3 - but it's super close - in fact if the line moves to -3.5 then then it flips to take the dog.


     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2017 - 5:51 PM ET #24

    Official Play for Thursday

    CAR-3
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    Official Play for Thursday

    CAR-3
     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2017 - 6:34 PM ET #25

    Thanks degen.

    What is the site that you use?

    I really like this method, I was leaning Carolina, and this method really makes the decision to play the leans I am having or sit them out much easier.
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    Thanks degen.

    What is the site that you use?

    I really like this method, I was leaning Carolina, and this method really makes the decision to play the leans I am having or sit them out much easier.
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