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    Baseball chase system - Martingale

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    Unlucky187
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2007 - 3:24 PM ET #1

    I'm looking for some input/criticism of the baseball system I will be using again this year.  I used it last year, returned about 80% profit on my $5000 bankroll.  Mistakes were made, and so I'm trying to improve the system.

    It's your standard chase system.  I bet every home team every game.  I'm trying to avoid long home streaks, which will obviously break the bankroll.  Home teams win between 52 and 54% of the time, and while that is factored into the lines, it does reduce the likelihood of longer losing streaks. 

    Starting with $10,000 and initial bet size of $10.  There will be approximately 1300 home wins over the course of the season. 

    Risk/reward: I'm trying to more than double my bankroll.  I realize that I will go broke sometimes, but provided I go broke less than every other year, and more than double when I win, I'll make money in the long run. 

    Some modifications/flexibility:
    1. Increase bet size.  When a team is hot, or if the bankroll has grown later in the season.  I learned to be careful with this, and won't go any higher than a $30 initial bet size this year.

    2. Switch to the road team for a series.  This is dangerous, but when a team has lost 3 or 4 in a row, and the road team is much better but the line doesn't quite reflect it, this may be an option. 

    3. Cut off losing streaks.  Typically, when I  can afford only 2 more losses,  I've only lost about 15% of the bankroll.  This is where it makes a little sense to cut off teams.  However, this burned me multiple times last year (team won right after cutoff) resulting in much lower winnings. 

    Your thoughts/concerns/criticisms?
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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    I'm looking for some input/criticism of the baseball system I will be using again this year.  I used it last year, returned about 80% profit on my $5000 bankroll.  Mistakes were made, and so I'm trying to improve the system.

    It's your standard chase system.  I bet every home team every game.  I'm trying to avoid long home streaks, which will obviously break the bankroll.  Home teams win between 52 and 54% of the time, and while that is factored into the lines, it does reduce the likelihood of longer losing streaks. 

    Starting with $10,000 and initial bet size of $10.  There will be approximately 1300 home wins over the course of the season. 

    Risk/reward: I'm trying to more than double my bankroll.  I realize that I will go broke sometimes, but provided I go broke less than every other year, and more than double when I win, I'll make money in the long run. 

    Some modifications/flexibility:
    1. Increase bet size.  When a team is hot, or if the bankroll has grown later in the season.  I learned to be careful with this, and won't go any higher than a $30 initial bet size this year.

    2. Switch to the road team for a series.  This is dangerous, but when a team has lost 3 or 4 in a row, and the road team is much better but the line doesn't quite reflect it, this may be an option. 

    3. Cut off losing streaks.  Typically, when I  can afford only 2 more losses,  I've only lost about 15% of the bankroll.  This is where it makes a little sense to cut off teams.  However, this burned me multiple times last year (team won right after cutoff) resulting in much lower winnings. 

    Your thoughts/concerns/criticisms?
     
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2007 - 8:44 PM ET #2

    questions: Is the initial bet $10 or to win $10?  Do you play the $10 every gamel one day and then if you lose bet $20 every game the second day?  Is your system a double up all the games the next day after a losing day - 10,20,40,80,160 etc?  If the home teams go 6 wins and 4 loses is this considered a winning day or do you have to win money on the day no matter if it is reversed 4 wins and 6 loses?  What happens If you lose day 1 at the $10 level and day 2 at the $20 level and have a small win  at the $40 level day three and the win does not cover the loses for day 1 and day 2? 
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    questions: Is the initial bet $10 or to win $10?  Do you play the $10 every gamel one day and then if you lose bet $20 every game the second day?  Is your system a double up all the games the next day after a losing day - 10,20,40,80,160 etc?  If the home teams go 6 wins and 4 loses is this considered a winning day or do you have to win money on the day no matter if it is reversed 4 wins and 6 loses?  What happens If you lose day 1 at the $10 level and day 2 at the $20 level and have a small win  at the $40 level day three and the win does not cover the loses for day 1 and day 2? 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 20, 2007 - 8:53 PM ET #3

    Sorry for the lack of clarity.

    I treat each team as a separate entity.  I will bet to win $10 on the Red Sox (at home).  If they lose, I bet to win $10 + whatever I lost. 

    In essense, I'm running 30 different chases at the same time.  This is one of the reasons I feel it's an OK system: There are enough wins throughout the year to make it worthwhile. 
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    Sorry for the lack of clarity.

    I treat each team as a separate entity.  I will bet to win $10 on the Red Sox (at home).  If they lose, I bet to win $10 + whatever I lost. 

    In essense, I'm running 30 different chases at the same time.  This is one of the reasons I feel it's an OK system: There are enough wins throughout the year to make it worthwhile. 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 20, 2007 - 11:14 PM ET #4

    3. Cut off losing streaks.  Typically, when I  can afford only 2 more losses,  I've only lost about 15% of the bankroll.  This is where it makes a little sense to cut off teams.  However, this burned me multiple times last year (team won right after cutoff) resulting in much lower winnings. 
    Can you give me an example "when I can afford only 2 more losses"?  and an example of "only lost 15% of the bankroll".  I have not looked at all the game from last year yet.  I would think the schedule might work against you at some point during the season.  example - maybe the worst team playing the next 3 series against the top 3 teams in the league, 
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    3. Cut off losing streaks.  Typically, when I  can afford only 2 more losses,  I've only lost about 15% of the bankroll.  This is where it makes a little sense to cut off teams.  However, this burned me multiple times last year (team won right after cutoff) resulting in much lower winnings. 
    Can you give me an example "when I can afford only 2 more losses"?  and an example of "only lost 15% of the bankroll".  I have not looked at all the game from last year yet.  I would think the schedule might work against you at some point during the season.  example - maybe the worst team playing the next 3 series against the top 3 teams in the league, 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 21, 2007 - 2:37 PM ET #5

    Good Luck with that.  No offense unlucky, but to me, that seems like The Worst System in the history of systems.  Every single home game?!?!?  Let me know how you do, because I can not imagine this making any money or even breaking even.
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    Good Luck with that.  No offense unlucky, but to me, that seems like The Worst System in the history of systems.  Every single home game?!?!?  Let me know how you do, because I can not imagine this making any money or even breaking even.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 21, 2007 - 2:41 PM ET #6

    Let's say the Phillies have lost 6 in a row.  I've lost approximately $1500 on this streak so far, out of my $10,000 bankroll.  They are about -120 the next two games.  Therefore, I'd have to bet $1800 and then bet $3960 if they lost the first one.  So, I've lost 15% of my bankroll, but I can afford only two more games.  If they lose the next two, I'm now down $7260 on this 8 game losing streak and can't afford to make that up. 

    When you bring up the point about the worst teams vs. the best teams, remember that the line shifts in my favor, and thus I can afford more losses.  When the Royals are consistently getting +160 to +180 numbers, you can afford a lot more losses because you are less than doubling your bet each time. 

    What gets me into trouble is the mediocre teams that are still favored at home losing a lot in a row.  Or, a really good team hitting a slump.  The worse the team, the longer a losing streak I can afford. 
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    Let's say the Phillies have lost 6 in a row.  I've lost approximately $1500 on this streak so far, out of my $10,000 bankroll.  They are about -120 the next two games.  Therefore, I'd have to bet $1800 and then bet $3960 if they lost the first one.  So, I've lost 15% of my bankroll, but I can afford only two more games.  If they lose the next two, I'm now down $7260 on this 8 game losing streak and can't afford to make that up. 

    When you bring up the point about the worst teams vs. the best teams, remember that the line shifts in my favor, and thus I can afford more losses.  When the Royals are consistently getting +160 to +180 numbers, you can afford a lot more losses because you are less than doubling your bet each time. 

    What gets me into trouble is the mediocre teams that are still favored at home losing a lot in a row.  Or, a really good team hitting a slump.  The worse the team, the longer a losing streak I can afford. 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 21, 2007 - 2:48 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by Drugs4Life:

    Good Luck with that.  No offense unlucky, but to me, that seems like The Worst System in the history of systems.  Every single home game?!?!?  Let me know how you do, because I can not imagine this making any money or even breaking even.


    I respect your opinion, but I'd like to know why you feel this way.  Our starting bankroll is 1000 units.  Home teams win between 52% and 54% of the time in baseball.  We'll win about 1300 units over the course of the season.  The key is whether or not a long losing streak will break the bankroll.  Therefore, I'm trying to get some ideas on how to mitigate the risk without reducing the reward. 

    One of the reasons that chase systems fail is that you're bankroll needs to be so much greater than the unit you are winning, and thus risk is greater than reward.  With this system, I'm betting 15 games a day, and have 30 active chase systems working off the same bankroll.  Also, I'm betting on an event that is slightly more than 50%, thus greatly reducing the likelihood of a long losing streak. 

    I did this last year, and made money.  Started with $5000 and cashed out $9000.  I'm not saying this to brag about how great I am, but rather to prove that money can be made.  Perhaps I was just lucky that no big streaks broke me.  I did track this system in 2005 and it was successful that year as well.  Again, it's a small sample size.  I've looked at data over the past 20 years and it looks like I'd go broke sometimes.  However, without knowing the lines, it's hard to determine exactly how many years would break the system. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drugs4Life:

    Good Luck with that.  No offense unlucky, but to me, that seems like The Worst System in the history of systems.  Every single home game?!?!?  Let me know how you do, because I can not imagine this making any money or even breaking even.


    I respect your opinion, but I'd like to know why you feel this way.  Our starting bankroll is 1000 units.  Home teams win between 52% and 54% of the time in baseball.  We'll win about 1300 units over the course of the season.  The key is whether or not a long losing streak will break the bankroll.  Therefore, I'm trying to get some ideas on how to mitigate the risk without reducing the reward. 

    One of the reasons that chase systems fail is that you're bankroll needs to be so much greater than the unit you are winning, and thus risk is greater than reward.  With this system, I'm betting 15 games a day, and have 30 active chase systems working off the same bankroll.  Also, I'm betting on an event that is slightly more than 50%, thus greatly reducing the likelihood of a long losing streak. 

    I did this last year, and made money.  Started with $5000 and cashed out $9000.  I'm not saying this to brag about how great I am, but rather to prove that money can be made.  Perhaps I was just lucky that no big streaks broke me.  I did track this system in 2005 and it was successful that year as well.  Again, it's a small sample size.  I've looked at data over the past 20 years and it looks like I'd go broke sometimes.  However, without knowing the lines, it's hard to determine exactly how many years would break the system. 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 21, 2007 - 6:55 PM ET #8

    My friend,,, your on the right track,,, but the one thing yor not considering,,,,,,,, the ONE major thing is that the HOME line will always be inflated,,, so take a moment to really conider the fact,,, that 95% of your games will alreeady have an overinflated line,,, the public likes the Favorites,,, and for the most part 90% every home team will be favored,,, ok 85%  you get my point???
     
    I personally think if you went CONTRARIAN you will be much happier,,,, There is another formula floating around takeing ROAD TEAMS the majority of which will be DOGS,,, this will EXPAND your BR exponentially,,,,
     
    forgive me for putting this on you, but you reallllllly need to take a second to reevaluate your methodology,,, I PROMISE you will thank me later,,,
     
    the system is something like chase a road team that is playing a Home team where the HOME team is winning under 47% at home and NOT on a 5 gamewin streak,,,
     
    good luck,,, consider my words,,
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    My friend,,, your on the right track,,, but the one thing yor not considering,,,,,,,, the ONE major thing is that the HOME line will always be inflated,,, so take a moment to really conider the fact,,, that 95% of your games will alreeady have an overinflated line,,, the public likes the Favorites,,, and for the most part 90% every home team will be favored,,, ok 85%  you get my point???
     
    I personally think if you went CONTRARIAN you will be much happier,,,, There is another formula floating around takeing ROAD TEAMS the majority of which will be DOGS,,, this will EXPAND your BR exponentially,,,,
     
    forgive me for putting this on you, but you reallllllly need to take a second to reevaluate your methodology,,, I PROMISE you will thank me later,,,
     
    the system is something like chase a road team that is playing a Home team where the HOME team is winning under 47% at home and NOT on a 5 gamewin streak,,,
     
    good luck,,, consider my words,,
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    Posted: Mar. 22, 2007 - 1:46 AM ET #9

    seems like if a couple teams went on losing streaks at the same time it would wreck the system, which would seem likely to happen at some point. do you have a list of the longest home losing streaks for each team from last year?
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    seems like if a couple teams went on losing streaks at the same time it would wreck the system, which would seem likely to happen at some point. do you have a list of the longest home losing streaks for each team from last year?
     
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    Posted: Mar. 22, 2007 - 12:44 PM ET #10

    I actually have a spreadsheet with home losing streaks over the past 20 years.  Over that time, I counted 18 potentially breaking streaks.  I think some of those would be affordable, but I'm not sure what the odds were.  Also, some happened in the same year, and you can't go broke twice in one season.

    Two teams on a streak at the same time isn't really a problem - they'd both have to be at 7+ game losing streaks on the same day, and that's not likely. 
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    I actually have a spreadsheet with home losing streaks over the past 20 years.  Over that time, I counted 18 potentially breaking streaks.  I think some of those would be affordable, but I'm not sure what the odds were.  Also, some happened in the same year, and you can't go broke twice in one season.

    Two teams on a streak at the same time isn't really a problem - they'd both have to be at 7+ game losing streaks on the same day, and that's not likely. 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 22, 2007 - 5:05 PM ET #11

    Yeah, unless it was the yankees or someone who were -200 every game.....
    What about doing the system and taking the same outcome as the game before- win= win
    How many teams go WLWLWLWLWLWLWL
    There's got to be a way to take advantage of streaks in a good way..
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    Yeah, unless it was the yankees or someone who were -200 every game.....
    What about doing the system and taking the same outcome as the game before- win= win
    How many teams go WLWLWLWLWLWLWL
    There's got to be a way to take advantage of streaks in a good way..
     
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    I remember last year, somebody had a pretty good chase system. He only started to post
    mid-season on and ended up being 40-2 (???...can't remember if it was 2...but it was less than 10 for sure).   He played only the home teams as well, but there was a specific criteria that he looked at to compare the home/away records.

    I'll try to think of the posters name...does anyone else remember this system???? 
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    I remember last year, somebody had a pretty good chase system. He only started to post
    mid-season on and ended up being 40-2 (???...can't remember if it was 2...but it was less than 10 for sure).   He played only the home teams as well, but there was a specific criteria that he looked at to compare the home/away records.

    I'll try to think of the posters name...does anyone else remember this system???? 
     
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    ethancraft, I think you are thinking about Cisco's home favourite loss system..
     
    Here is my system for the MLB, will be my first year betting it...
     
    2007 MLB Home Chase System
     
    Okay, I've been looking over this the past week or so, and it has shown to be very profitable...
    What you do is....
    First, using mlb.com you find the top 10 home teams from the past year.
    They are the only teams you will bet.
    Now that you have your list, what you do is...
    Whenever one of these teams has a home series of 6+ games, you chase them to win 1 unit. THERE ARE RE-SETS. So say a team has a 10 game home series. They lose the first game, you chase them to win what you lost in the first game +1 unit, in the second game. They win the second game. You are now + 1 unit. There are 8 games left, so you are still able to do a 6 game chase. They win their next 3 games (you are now up 4 units), now there are 5 games left, not enough for a 6 game chase. So you stop chasing them, and wait until their next 6+ home game series. I hope this makes sense.

    This is a 6 game chase, so if you go 0-6, you stop chasing, and count your losses. TO PLAY THIS SYSTEM YOU SHOULD HAVE 200-250 UNITS. You probably won't ever have a chase of this amount, but if you have a series loss early on in the season, and a game later in the season goes to a game 6 you wan't to have enough units to be able to bet the team.

    I AM NOT PLAYING THE SYSTEM THIS YEAR, JUST WATCHING, TO SEE IF IT IS AS GOOD AS I FOUND IT TO BE. If it profits, I will bet it next year.

    THE TEAMS WE WILL BE CHASING THIS YEAR ARE THE FOLLOWING (top 10 at home last season)
    New York Y.
    Toronto
    Boston
    Minnesota
    Chicago W.S
    Oakland
    New York M
    St. Louis
    Milwaukee
    LAA
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    PAST YEARS RESULTS: (4 year span)
    Game 1: 406-307
    Game 2: 176-131
    Game 3: 80-51
    Game 4: 33-18
    Game 5: 11-7
    Game 6: 5-2
    (Series: 711-2 +535.39/133.85 units per year)
    (Overall Record: 711-516 --58%)

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Past Years Results
    2006 Season:
    Game 1: 104-76
    Game 2: 41-35
    Game 3: 17-18
    Game 4: 9-9
    Game 5: 5-4
    Game 6: 3-1
    TOTAL: (Series 179-1 +107.34) (Plays 179-143)

    2005- top 10 at home
    Play for, on 6 game + home stands with resets
    Boston: 17-0
    New York: 21-0
    Chicago WS: 17-0
    LAA: 19-0
    Atlanta: 17-1 Series lost = -71.66
    Philadelphia: 17-0
    St. Louis: 20-0
    Houston: 20-0
    Milwaukee: 15-0
    San Diego: 16-0
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    2005 Season:
    Game 1: 97-80
    Game 2: 45-35
    Game 3: 27-8
    Game 4: 7-1
    Game 5: 1-0
    Game 6: 0-0
    TOTAL: (Series 177-0 +177) (Plays 177-124)

    2004- top 10 at home
    New York: 21-0
    Boston: 17-0
    Minnesota: 14-0
    Oakland: 21-0
    Texas: 17-0
    Atlanta: 21-0
    St. Louis: 18-0
    Houston: 15-0
    Los Angeles D.: 17-0
    San Francisco: 14-0
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    2004 Season:
    Game 1: 96-83
    Game 2: 49-34
    Game 3: 21-13
    Game 4: 6-7
    Game 5: 5-2
    Game 6: 1-1
    TOTAL: (Series 178-1 +74.05) (Plays 178-140)

    2003- top 10 at home
    New York: 19-0
    Boston: 21-0
    Chicago WS: 16-0
    Oakland: 18-0
    Seattle: 17-0
    Atlanta: 17-0
    Florida: 16-0
    Philadelphia: 16-1 -103.95
    Washington: 17-0
    San Francisco: 21-0
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    2003 Season:
    Game 1: 109-68
    Game 2: 41-27
    Game 3: 15-12
    Game 4: 11-1
    Game 5: 0-1
    Game 6: 1-0
    TOTAL: (Series 177-0 +177) (Plays 177-109)

    2002- top 10 at home
    New York: 21-0
    Minnesota: 16-0
    Oakland: 20-0
    Anaheim: 14-0
    Seattle: 16-0
    Atlanta: 15-0
    Montreal: 23-0
    St. Louis: 14-0
    Arizona: 18-0
    San Francisco: 20-0
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    ethancraft, I think you are thinking about Cisco's home favourite loss system..
     
    Here is my system for the MLB, will be my first year betting it...
     
    2007 MLB Home Chase System
     
    Okay, I've been looking over this the past week or so, and it has shown to be very profitable...
    What you do is....
    First, using mlb.com you find the top 10 home teams from the past year.
    They are the only teams you will bet.
    Now that you have your list, what you do is...
    Whenever one of these teams has a home series of 6+ games, you chase them to win 1 unit. THERE ARE RE-SETS. So say a team has a 10 game home series. They lose the first game, you chase them to win what you lost in the first game +1 unit, in the second game. They win the second game. You are now + 1 unit. There are 8 games left, so you are still able to do a 6 game chase. They win their next 3 games (you are now up 4 units), now there are 5 games left, not enough for a 6 game chase. So you stop chasing them, and wait until their next 6+ home game series. I hope this makes sense.

    This is a 6 game chase, so if you go 0-6, you stop chasing, and count your losses. TO PLAY THIS SYSTEM YOU SHOULD HAVE 200-250 UNITS. You probably won't ever have a chase of this amount, but if you have a series loss early on in the season, and a game later in the season goes to a game 6 you wan't to have enough units to be able to bet the team.

    I AM NOT PLAYING THE SYSTEM THIS YEAR, JUST WATCHING, TO SEE IF IT IS AS GOOD AS I FOUND IT TO BE. If it profits, I will bet it next year.

    THE TEAMS WE WILL BE CHASING THIS YEAR ARE THE FOLLOWING (top 10 at home last season)
    New York Y.
    Toronto
    Boston
    Minnesota
    Chicago W.S
    Oakland
    New York M
    St. Louis
    Milwaukee
    LAA
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    PAST YEARS RESULTS: (4 year span)
    Game 1: 406-307
    Game 2: 176-131
    Game 3: 80-51
    Game 4: 33-18
    Game 5: 11-7
    Game 6: 5-2
    (Series: 711-2 +535.39/133.85 units per year)
    (Overall Record: 711-516 --58%)

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Past Years Results
    2006 Season:
    Game 1: 104-76
    Game 2: 41-35
    Game 3: 17-18
    Game 4: 9-9
    Game 5: 5-4
    Game 6: 3-1
    TOTAL: (Series 179-1 +107.34) (Plays 179-143)

    2005- top 10 at home
    Play for, on 6 game + home stands with resets
    Boston: 17-0
    New York: 21-0
    Chicago WS: 17-0
    LAA: 19-0
    Atlanta: 17-1 Series lost = -71.66
    Philadelphia: 17-0
    St. Louis: 20-0
    Houston: 20-0
    Milwaukee: 15-0
    San Diego: 16-0
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    2005 Season:
    Game 1: 97-80
    Game 2: 45-35
    Game 3: 27-8
    Game 4: 7-1
    Game 5: 1-0
    Game 6: 0-0
    TOTAL: (Series 177-0 +177) (Plays 177-124)

    2004- top 10 at home
    New York: 21-0
    Boston: 17-0
    Minnesota: 14-0
    Oakland: 21-0
    Texas: 17-0
    Atlanta: 21-0
    St. Louis: 18-0
    Houston: 15-0
    Los Angeles D.: 17-0
    San Francisco: 14-0
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    2004 Season:
    Game 1: 96-83
    Game 2: 49-34
    Game 3: 21-13
    Game 4: 6-7
    Game 5: 5-2
    Game 6: 1-1
    TOTAL: (Series 178-1 +74.05) (Plays 178-140)

    2003- top 10 at home
    New York: 19-0
    Boston: 21-0
    Chicago WS: 16-0
    Oakland: 18-0
    Seattle: 17-0
    Atlanta: 17-0
    Florida: 16-0
    Philadelphia: 16-1 -103.95
    Washington: 17-0
    San Francisco: 21-0
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    2003 Season:
    Game 1: 109-68
    Game 2: 41-27
    Game 3: 15-12
    Game 4: 11-1
    Game 5: 0-1
    Game 6: 1-0
    TOTAL: (Series 177-0 +177) (Plays 177-109)

    2002- top 10 at home
    New York: 21-0
    Minnesota: 16-0
    Oakland: 20-0
    Anaheim: 14-0
    Seattle: 16-0
    Atlanta: 15-0
    Montreal: 23-0
    St. Louis: 14-0
    Arizona: 18-0
    San Francisco: 20-0
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by pitviper:

    Here is my system for the MLB, will be my first year betting it...
     
    2007 MLB Home Chase System
     
    Okay, I've been looking over this the past week or so, and it has shown to be very profitable...
    What you do is....
    First, using mlb.com you find the top 10 home teams from the past year.
    They are the only teams you will bet.
    Now that you have your list, what you do is...
    Whenever one of these teams has a home series of 6+ games, you chase them to win 1 unit. THERE ARE RE-SETS. So say a team has a 10 game home series. They lose the first game, you chase them to win what you lost in the first game +1 unit, in the second game. They win the second game. You are now + 1 unit. There are 8 games left, so you are still able to do a 6 game chase. They win their next 3 games (you are now up 4 units), now there are 5 games left, not enough for a 6 game chase. So you stop chasing them, and wait until their next 6+ home game series. I hope this makes sense.

    This is a 6 game chase, so if you go 0-6, you stop chasing, and count your losses. TO PLAY THIS SYSTEM YOU SHOULD HAVE 200-250 UNITS. You probably won't ever have a chase of this amount, but if you have a series loss early on in the season, and a game later in the season goes to a game 6 you wan't to have enough units to be able to bet the team.


    Here's some rough math to ponder with this system:
    1. A loss of 6 games at an average of -150 = -243 units.
    2. 10 teams x 13 homestands of 6 straight games = 130 units to win over the course of the year.  Perhaps you win a few extra with the longer homestands, but I'm also generous in the 13 homestands of 6 straight games.  Teams only have 26 home series all season, and they aren't always back to back. 

    Therefore, one losing streak every other year and you only break even.  (depending on the odds, of course)  As you stated in the 4 years, you see 2 such losing streaks.  Therefore, the system seems break even to me. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by pitviper:

    Here is my system for the MLB, will be my first year betting it...
     
    2007 MLB Home Chase System
     
    Okay, I've been looking over this the past week or so, and it has shown to be very profitable...
    What you do is....
    First, using mlb.com you find the top 10 home teams from the past year.
    They are the only teams you will bet.
    Now that you have your list, what you do is...
    Whenever one of these teams has a home series of 6+ games, you chase them to win 1 unit. THERE ARE RE-SETS. So say a team has a 10 game home series. They lose the first game, you chase them to win what you lost in the first game +1 unit, in the second game. They win the second game. You are now + 1 unit. There are 8 games left, so you are still able to do a 6 game chase. They win their next 3 games (you are now up 4 units), now there are 5 games left, not enough for a 6 game chase. So you stop chasing them, and wait until their next 6+ home game series. I hope this makes sense.

    This is a 6 game chase, so if you go 0-6, you stop chasing, and count your losses. TO PLAY THIS SYSTEM YOU SHOULD HAVE 200-250 UNITS. You probably won't ever have a chase of this amount, but if you have a series loss early on in the season, and a game later in the season goes to a game 6 you wan't to have enough units to be able to bet the team.


    Here's some rough math to ponder with this system:
    1. A loss of 6 games at an average of -150 = -243 units.
    2. 10 teams x 13 homestands of 6 straight games = 130 units to win over the course of the year.  Perhaps you win a few extra with the longer homestands, but I'm also generous in the 13 homestands of 6 straight games.  Teams only have 26 home series all season, and they aren't always back to back. 

    Therefore, one losing streak every other year and you only break even.  (depending on the odds, of course)  As you stated in the 4 years, you see 2 such losing streaks.  Therefore, the system seems break even to me. 

     
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    Posted: Mar. 24, 2007 - 1:47 AM ET #16

    The more I ponder my own system, I keep coming back to one thing:  Flipping to the road team when the hometeam has already lost 3+ games and is starting a new home series.  I keep coming back to it because I know there are streaks that will break this system.  If I can avoid those streaks without eating bigtime losses, I'm going to make a killing.  That's where the handicapping comes in, I guess.

    Any thoughts on when to flip from the losing home team to the road team? 
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    The more I ponder my own system, I keep coming back to one thing:  Flipping to the road team when the hometeam has already lost 3+ games and is starting a new home series.  I keep coming back to it because I know there are streaks that will break this system.  If I can avoid those streaks without eating bigtime losses, I'm going to make a killing.  That's where the handicapping comes in, I guess.

    Any thoughts on when to flip from the losing home team to the road team? 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2007 - 12:26 AM ET #17

    Unlucky. 1 series lost every 2 years, sounds reasonable.. yes. But as my numbers have shown, it is rare that a team with constans -150 lines or higher, will lose 6 straight at home. It could and should happen, but it is very rare.
     
    Remember, if a team wins, and there are still 6 games remaining you re-set, and continue to re-set until they have 5 games left. I recommend having 250 units, in case something like you stated does happen.
     
    Using this system, with one loss every two years. You would profit over 100 units per year, so one of these 250 unit losses, wouldn't kill your bankroll. As they should happen only once every 6 or so years.
     
    Good luck. I am looking into a new chase system, that could be very profitable..
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    Unlucky. 1 series lost every 2 years, sounds reasonable.. yes. But as my numbers have shown, it is rare that a team with constans -150 lines or higher, will lose 6 straight at home. It could and should happen, but it is very rare.
     
    Remember, if a team wins, and there are still 6 games remaining you re-set, and continue to re-set until they have 5 games left. I recommend having 250 units, in case something like you stated does happen.
     
    Using this system, with one loss every two years. You would profit over 100 units per year, so one of these 250 unit losses, wouldn't kill your bankroll. As they should happen only once every 6 or so years.
     
    Good luck. I am looking into a new chase system, that could be very profitable..
     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2007 - 8:34 AM ET #18

    hey viper, i like the system, but one question. before the season starts, would you consider removing the brewers and replacing them with another team? just a thought, what do you think?
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    hey viper, i like the system, but one question. before the season starts, would you consider removing the brewers and replacing them with another team? just a thought, what do you think?
     
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    Posted: Mar. 26, 2007 - 2:07 PM ET #19

    kenkean... they were in the top @ home last year, so you can't change them. If you start tampering with it like this, it is no longer a system, and you will lose
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    kenkean... they were in the top @ home last year, so you can't change them. If you start tampering with it like this, it is no longer a system, and you will lose
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    Posted: Mar. 26, 2007 - 6:40 PM ET #20

    cool. do you plan on posting the daily plays here? i think this system can work. GL.
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    cool. do you plan on posting the daily plays here? i think this system can work. GL.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 30, 2007 - 1:41 PM ET #21

    I will be posting all the plays at another forum, not sure if I am aloud to post it's name so I won't, as well I will be posting an underdog system that has profited 80.5 units the past two seasons (combined, average of 40.25). It is NOT a chase system. If you don't know what forum it is, google search "cappers forum" and then go to the THIRD option from the top. It is NOT called cappers forum, but it is similar.
     
    I already have the schedule for April up, and I will be updating/ posting records and both systems plays every day.
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    I will be posting all the plays at another forum, not sure if I am aloud to post it's name so I won't, as well I will be posting an underdog system that has profited 80.5 units the past two seasons (combined, average of 40.25). It is NOT a chase system. If you don't know what forum it is, google search "cappers forum" and then go to the THIRD option from the top. It is NOT called cappers forum, but it is similar.
     
    I already have the schedule for April up, and I will be updating/ posting records and both systems plays every day.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 2, 2007 - 12:06 PM ET #22

    2007
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2007 - 10:43 PM ET #23

    So far, I'm a bit pissed that HOU has been such a big favorite, when they clearly suck.  STL is also not that good, and shouldn't have been favored over the Mets every game.  These are the types of situations that worry me.  
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    So far, I'm a bit pissed that HOU has been such a big favorite, when they clearly suck.  STL is also not that good, and shouldn't have been favored over the Mets every game.  These are the types of situations that worry me.  
     
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    If I might add a comment here..

    if I were doing a martingale home or away system, I would not look at records of wins and losses, I would look at UNITS won and lost. If you are wagering on a home team to win and they have a winning record, yet losing or flat units then you are paying way too much juice for the team..like the Yanks, RSox etc.

    Go with the teams with the best home unit and win combination.


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    If I might add a comment here..

    if I were doing a martingale home or away system, I would not look at records of wins and losses, I would look at UNITS won and lost. If you are wagering on a home team to win and they have a winning record, yet losing or flat units then you are paying way too much juice for the team..like the Yanks, RSox etc.

    Go with the teams with the best home unit and win combination.


     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    if I were doing a martingale home or away system, I would not look at records of wins and losses, I would look at UNITS won and lost. If you are wagering on a home team to win and they have a winning record, yet losing or flat units then you are paying way too much juice for the team..like the Yanks, RSox etc.

    Go with the teams with the best home unit and win combination.


    Consider that we are betting to win a unit, and are willing to chase that unit.  Those teams that are flat, also are less likely to lose so many in a row as to break us.  However, I do agree that it's not good to be paying too much juice, as one of these teams could break us more easily. 

    We are betting every home team every day in order to win enough to justify the risk.  If we started cutting out certain teams, our winnings won't be enough by the end of the year to justify the large starting bankroll.




    Side note, for those interested in results: We're up $1100 on our $10,000 starting bankroll, but $276 of that is from arbitrage winnings.  This weekend was great as no home teams got swept.  It's early. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    if I were doing a martingale home or away system, I would not look at records of wins and losses, I would look at UNITS won and lost. If you are wagering on a home team to win and they have a winning record, yet losing or flat units then you are paying way too much juice for the team..like the Yanks, RSox etc.

    Go with the teams with the best home unit and win combination.


    Consider that we are betting to win a unit, and are willing to chase that unit.  Those teams that are flat, also are less likely to lose so many in a row as to break us.  However, I do agree that it's not good to be paying too much juice, as one of these teams could break us more easily. 

    We are betting every home team every day in order to win enough to justify the risk.  If we started cutting out certain teams, our winnings won't be enough by the end of the year to justify the large starting bankroll.




    Side note, for those interested in results: We're up $1100 on our $10,000 starting bankroll, but $276 of that is from arbitrage winnings.  This weekend was great as no home teams got swept.  It's early. 
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