so the (corrupt) powers that be insist this is Euro 2020 not 2021 probably because of copyright and legality issues if they had to change the year, UEFA's only 2nd to FIFA in money grabbing.
Lets start with Group A
Italy of course didnt qualify for the 2018 world cup and made sure that wouldnt happen again with 10 straight wins in qualifying, some question marks for me, I think Mancini is an overrated manager, this is the first tourney in years without Buffon, at least they'll be playing home games in Rome, no truly world class players for me so a watching brief for me, lets see what spec says.
Switzerland won a tricky group only losing one game and are consistent at this level getting out of the group stages and bowing out at the last 16 level. Lot of Journeymen players who punch above their weight at international level.
Turkey - I look at squads closely and the majority of their players play in the weak "super"lig (sic) with the exception of Milan playmaker Calhanoglu. Some good qualifying wins and beating France turned a head or so but you do need international pedigree and they dont have any so not expecting much from them here.
Wales - Always have a soft spot for them, always my 2nd team after the 3 Lions, will be looking to emulate the incredible feats of 5 years ago but that was the culmination of players coming together at exactly the right time, Bale was in his prime then, he's in his 30's now, not sure if they deserve to be outsiders of the group but have their work cut out to qualify.
I dont see the Euro 2020 winner coming from this group, I wouldnt put anyone off having a lumpy bet on Italy winning at odds on with home advantage, Italy winning and the Swiss runners up pays 3/1 in a straight forecast but I would rather back Italy in a parlay with another group winner to be honest.
so the (corrupt) powers that be insist this is Euro 2020 not 2021 probably because of copyright and legality issues if they had to change the year, UEFA's only 2nd to FIFA in money grabbing.
Lets start with Group A
Italy of course didnt qualify for the 2018 world cup and made sure that wouldnt happen again with 10 straight wins in qualifying, some question marks for me, I think Mancini is an overrated manager, this is the first tourney in years without Buffon, at least they'll be playing home games in Rome, no truly world class players for me so a watching brief for me, lets see what spec says.
Switzerland won a tricky group only losing one game and are consistent at this level getting out of the group stages and bowing out at the last 16 level. Lot of Journeymen players who punch above their weight at international level.
Turkey - I look at squads closely and the majority of their players play in the weak "super"lig (sic) with the exception of Milan playmaker Calhanoglu. Some good qualifying wins and beating France turned a head or so but you do need international pedigree and they dont have any so not expecting much from them here.
Wales - Always have a soft spot for them, always my 2nd team after the 3 Lions, will be looking to emulate the incredible feats of 5 years ago but that was the culmination of players coming together at exactly the right time, Bale was in his prime then, he's in his 30's now, not sure if they deserve to be outsiders of the group but have their work cut out to qualify.
I dont see the Euro 2020 winner coming from this group, I wouldnt put anyone off having a lumpy bet on Italy winning at odds on with home advantage, Italy winning and the Swiss runners up pays 3/1 in a straight forecast but I would rather back Italy in a parlay with another group winner to be honest.
Bollox-good stuff! I agree with Italy-Red Devils look solid to take Group B..... BigD --yup that Group F is the definite Group of Death for this year! meanwhile Spain can rollerskate out of Group E...
Bollox-good stuff! I agree with Italy-Red Devils look solid to take Group B..... BigD --yup that Group F is the definite Group of Death for this year! meanwhile Spain can rollerskate out of Group E...
Group B and Belgium are odds on faves as they should be but there are question marks for me, Verthongen and Alderwield aren’t getting any younger at the back, Hazard has been dreadful since his move to Madrid and I really dont rate manager Martinez, style over substance for me as anyone who saw him on CBS’ CL coverage can attest to.
Will likely win the group but not my idea of the overall champions.
Denmark are a solid number 2, have a big advantage in playing at Copenhagen, Have a solid stopper in Schmeichel, Eriksen should link up well with Hjolberg in midfield, they dont have a clinical striker upfront and have drawn games they should have won but will get out of this group and are an interesting dark horse like they were in 1992.
Russia, like Turkey have almost all their players playing in their domestic league which rarely translates well to success at international level. Yes, they overachieved at the last world cup but they had home advantage, I saw 7/4 on them NOT qualifying and even though 4 out of the 6 3rd place teams will go through, thats worth a play for me.
Finland will just be happy to be here, they play very conservatively and only conceded 10 goals in qualifying, a number of their players play in the english championship, they will be outclassed here but will challenge the Ruskies for 3rd.
Belgium Denmark as a DUAL (so either order) forecast at 10/11 is money.
Group B and Belgium are odds on faves as they should be but there are question marks for me, Verthongen and Alderwield aren’t getting any younger at the back, Hazard has been dreadful since his move to Madrid and I really dont rate manager Martinez, style over substance for me as anyone who saw him on CBS’ CL coverage can attest to.
Will likely win the group but not my idea of the overall champions.
Denmark are a solid number 2, have a big advantage in playing at Copenhagen, Have a solid stopper in Schmeichel, Eriksen should link up well with Hjolberg in midfield, they dont have a clinical striker upfront and have drawn games they should have won but will get out of this group and are an interesting dark horse like they were in 1992.
Russia, like Turkey have almost all their players playing in their domestic league which rarely translates well to success at international level. Yes, they overachieved at the last world cup but they had home advantage, I saw 7/4 on them NOT qualifying and even though 4 out of the 6 3rd place teams will go through, thats worth a play for me.
Finland will just be happy to be here, they play very conservatively and only conceded 10 goals in qualifying, a number of their players play in the english championship, they will be outclassed here but will challenge the Ruskies for 3rd.
Belgium Denmark as a DUAL (so either order) forecast at 10/11 is money.
Bollox Right about Martinez, my grandma could have gotten results with that group of players.
Belgium has some issues (Hazard, now KDB with less than ideal prep), but the biggest one is at the back. Why are Vermaelen and Vertonghen even there? Same reason Chadli is: Martinez is stuck on the same names and can't let go, he'd take Kompany if he could.
I like Castagne and Alderweireld. Meunier can be hot and cold from game to game. Not a fan of Boyata and Denayer. Either way, the backline has not played together a lot and each selected player has his own issues that can be exploited.
Courtois is top shelf though and plays really well for the national team, a silver lining there.
Bollox Right about Martinez, my grandma could have gotten results with that group of players.
Belgium has some issues (Hazard, now KDB with less than ideal prep), but the biggest one is at the back. Why are Vermaelen and Vertonghen even there? Same reason Chadli is: Martinez is stuck on the same names and can't let go, he'd take Kompany if he could.
I like Castagne and Alderweireld. Meunier can be hot and cold from game to game. Not a fan of Boyata and Denayer. Either way, the backline has not played together a lot and each selected player has his own issues that can be exploited.
Courtois is top shelf though and plays really well for the national team, a silver lining there.
thanks for the input Ganda, pleased to hear i'm thinking the right way, I'm sure youre hoping Witsel can start too, yeh Thierry is a good chap but he's french when I last checked?
thanks for the input Ganda, pleased to hear i'm thinking the right way, I'm sure youre hoping Witsel can start too, yeh Thierry is a good chap but he's french when I last checked?
Group C and another short priced favorite in the Dutch
They’ve missed out on the last 2 major tournaments so have something to prove here.
Strong Ajax contingent supplemented by the likes of Wijnaldum, the De Jong brothers and the much improved Depay but they will sorely miss Van Dyk. Home advantage a big plus.
Ukraine dominated euro qualifying but dropped points in recent world cup qualifying.
Like their Russian counterparts, most of their squad play domestically but they have some up and coming talent in Yarmolenko and Zinchenko who both have had good seasons in the EPL. Defend well but dont score many, a great “under” team.
Austria are improving, key man is of course Alaba but they have a number of useful players playing in the bundesliga and I like the look of Arnautovic and Kaladjic upfront, in contrast to Ukraine, they will be bombing forward whenever they can, I can’t call them a dark horse really but don’t underestimate them.
North Macedonia will be thrilled to be here and will finish bottom, sorry but lets be honest about it
Netherlands are too short to back to win the group and if it wasn't for their games being in Amsterdam, I would think about taking them on. I can see everyone beating up on the North macedonians and the 3 other teams all qualifying, all future bets are long odds on so will just stick to individual match betting in this group.
Group C and another short priced favorite in the Dutch
They’ve missed out on the last 2 major tournaments so have something to prove here.
Strong Ajax contingent supplemented by the likes of Wijnaldum, the De Jong brothers and the much improved Depay but they will sorely miss Van Dyk. Home advantage a big plus.
Ukraine dominated euro qualifying but dropped points in recent world cup qualifying.
Like their Russian counterparts, most of their squad play domestically but they have some up and coming talent in Yarmolenko and Zinchenko who both have had good seasons in the EPL. Defend well but dont score many, a great “under” team.
Austria are improving, key man is of course Alaba but they have a number of useful players playing in the bundesliga and I like the look of Arnautovic and Kaladjic upfront, in contrast to Ukraine, they will be bombing forward whenever they can, I can’t call them a dark horse really but don’t underestimate them.
North Macedonia will be thrilled to be here and will finish bottom, sorry but lets be honest about it
Netherlands are too short to back to win the group and if it wasn't for their games being in Amsterdam, I would think about taking them on. I can see everyone beating up on the North macedonians and the 3 other teams all qualifying, all future bets are long odds on so will just stick to individual match betting in this group.
thanks for the input Ganda, pleased to hear i'm thinking the right way, I'm sure youre hoping Witsel can start too, yeh Thierry is a good chap but he's french when I last checked?
Henry was with the Red Devils at the last WC, I'm sure you could have worse people for T3, but to me it's more proof of Martinez' inability to change things up.
Yeah Witsel, always mixed feelings about him, on the one hand he provides stability and security in midfield, no doubt, and with a fragile last line, that can come in handy. On the other hand he slows the pace, of the opposing team, but of his own team too and play can become stale and offence gets stifled. If he's not completely fit, he shouldn't even play, but we'll see, again, knowing Martinez he'll be included.
thanks for the input Ganda, pleased to hear i'm thinking the right way, I'm sure youre hoping Witsel can start too, yeh Thierry is a good chap but he's french when I last checked?
Henry was with the Red Devils at the last WC, I'm sure you could have worse people for T3, but to me it's more proof of Martinez' inability to change things up.
Yeah Witsel, always mixed feelings about him, on the one hand he provides stability and security in midfield, no doubt, and with a fragile last line, that can come in handy. On the other hand he slows the pace, of the opposing team, but of his own team too and play can become stale and offence gets stifled. If he's not completely fit, he shouldn't even play, but we'll see, again, knowing Martinez he'll be included.
I really don’t like being a homer but England should have a good tournament, weakness is in defence with only Maguire being a first choice and question marks over who is the best keeper.
The fact that Leicester’s Madison couldnt get in the squad shows its midfield class, Foden could be anything, Bellingham is even younger and more talented, Kane has a great supporting cast be it Rashford or Sancho pushing upfront. Big advantage to be playing at Wembley, no excuses for not winning this group.
Everyone will be looking for the rematch with Croatia after the epic world cup semi final. But this croatian team is aging. Kovacic, Modric and Perisic will boss the midfield but 16 goals conceded in 6 nations league games sums up their lack of quality at the back. Should get out of the group but will probably exit in the 1st KO round.
Ah, Scotland, have definitely improved under steve clarke and will be buoyed by being able to play Croatia and the Czechs in Glasgow. Tierney and Roberston at the back are the biggest plus points, a lot of celtic players in the squad who had the worst season in a while. Their forwards are a joke at this level, can see them being very defensive and trying to nick a game on set pieces
Czech republic, eastern european teams always have great technical ability and they have a couple of useful players in Soucek and Jankto, they’re bit of an unknown quantity, got humiliated by england in euro qualifying but made it to League A in the nations cup, will fight it out with scotland for the wooden spoon.
5/4 on an England Croatia 1-2 is the only realistic option here.
I really don’t like being a homer but England should have a good tournament, weakness is in defence with only Maguire being a first choice and question marks over who is the best keeper.
The fact that Leicester’s Madison couldnt get in the squad shows its midfield class, Foden could be anything, Bellingham is even younger and more talented, Kane has a great supporting cast be it Rashford or Sancho pushing upfront. Big advantage to be playing at Wembley, no excuses for not winning this group.
Everyone will be looking for the rematch with Croatia after the epic world cup semi final. But this croatian team is aging. Kovacic, Modric and Perisic will boss the midfield but 16 goals conceded in 6 nations league games sums up their lack of quality at the back. Should get out of the group but will probably exit in the 1st KO round.
Ah, Scotland, have definitely improved under steve clarke and will be buoyed by being able to play Croatia and the Czechs in Glasgow. Tierney and Roberston at the back are the biggest plus points, a lot of celtic players in the squad who had the worst season in a while. Their forwards are a joke at this level, can see them being very defensive and trying to nick a game on set pieces
Czech republic, eastern european teams always have great technical ability and they have a couple of useful players in Soucek and Jankto, they’re bit of an unknown quantity, got humiliated by england in euro qualifying but made it to League A in the nations cup, will fight it out with scotland for the wooden spoon.
5/4 on an England Croatia 1-2 is the only realistic option here.
Bollox, pardon for delay. havent really spent much time here. just had Part II of our Biennial war room therapy/Group discussion for WC/Euros. im not sure if my writeup is 'fit' for this forum, (think of my Serie A futures thread on steroids) we tend to go pretty in-depth and leave nothing unturned. but first of all, as always, i hope all is well with self/fam and loved ones. futbol might dominate our minds soon but its not whats really important in the big picture. will try not to clutter your thread. regarding Mancini, overrated? we've never really looked at it that way, but I will give you THIS much, when he was hired and beat out the candidates the immediate knock on him was that hes a "puppet". wont go into details but the Old Guard out here are still powerful, many stuck in their ways. winning the WC was great, but it also bolstered their minds to stick to what brought us'success'. you gave mention to this once to me, of how we've fallen behind everyone. its true. Andrea and several others with far more experience were passed over because they were forward thinkers (you know how politics/media can get caught up in that kinda stuff) , Baggio held a key position once in our youth development program but resigned & went into seclusion due to the pressure and all that cr*p of being told how/what to do. so in many ways Boll, a lot of people are happy with Mancinis decision to stick his finger up (so to speak) and snub his nose at them. "im doing this MY way". so to speak. overrated? i guess, as its his first serious Intl comp (dont get me going with Nations League, ill touch base on that in my own thread) but will say this much, he inherited a decent group, & the guys love playing for him. love that comment on Gigi, Ill give the the same EXACT reference to your lads. a positive one, hope you at least 'approve' of that part. (smiling) lastly, dont give Olimpico too much credit, its in Italy, its in our capital, but its not our "home". will touch base on that as well. honestly havent read the rest of your thread (yet) will do it after put up my cr*p and see where we stand. tired right now, plenty of time still
ohh, and yeah.... we're two years away. in case youre curious
Bollox, pardon for delay. havent really spent much time here. just had Part II of our Biennial war room therapy/Group discussion for WC/Euros. im not sure if my writeup is 'fit' for this forum, (think of my Serie A futures thread on steroids) we tend to go pretty in-depth and leave nothing unturned. but first of all, as always, i hope all is well with self/fam and loved ones. futbol might dominate our minds soon but its not whats really important in the big picture. will try not to clutter your thread. regarding Mancini, overrated? we've never really looked at it that way, but I will give you THIS much, when he was hired and beat out the candidates the immediate knock on him was that hes a "puppet". wont go into details but the Old Guard out here are still powerful, many stuck in their ways. winning the WC was great, but it also bolstered their minds to stick to what brought us'success'. you gave mention to this once to me, of how we've fallen behind everyone. its true. Andrea and several others with far more experience were passed over because they were forward thinkers (you know how politics/media can get caught up in that kinda stuff) , Baggio held a key position once in our youth development program but resigned & went into seclusion due to the pressure and all that cr*p of being told how/what to do. so in many ways Boll, a lot of people are happy with Mancinis decision to stick his finger up (so to speak) and snub his nose at them. "im doing this MY way". so to speak. overrated? i guess, as its his first serious Intl comp (dont get me going with Nations League, ill touch base on that in my own thread) but will say this much, he inherited a decent group, & the guys love playing for him. love that comment on Gigi, Ill give the the same EXACT reference to your lads. a positive one, hope you at least 'approve' of that part. (smiling) lastly, dont give Olimpico too much credit, its in Italy, its in our capital, but its not our "home". will touch base on that as well. honestly havent read the rest of your thread (yet) will do it after put up my cr*p and see where we stand. tired right now, plenty of time still
ohh, and yeah.... we're two years away. in case youre curious
spec futbol might dominate our minds soon but its not whats really important in the big picture. never a truer word spoken, hope all is good with u my friend. great insight about the Azzurri, and yes we'll talk more as the tournament progresses, i know you guys dont have a "wembley" so where is home then? Looking forward to finding out in your thread.
spec futbol might dominate our minds soon but its not whats really important in the big picture. never a truer word spoken, hope all is good with u my friend. great insight about the Azzurri, and yes we'll talk more as the tournament progresses, i know you guys dont have a "wembley" so where is home then? Looking forward to finding out in your thread.
After the group of death, maybe the most interesting group to watch.
Spain will always be worthy favorites but it's almost 10 years since their golden generation ruled the international game. Xavi and Iniesta have been replaced by Koke and Rodri, the defence is suspect though with even De Gea’s place open to question after an indifferent campaign, Torres and Llorente can also score from midfield as Spain will likely field a couple of false 9 formations, Have the advantage of playing in Seville.
Poland - All about Lewandowski of course, new Portugese coach Sousa is trying to improve the defence, Wojciech Szczesny is reliable between the sticks. Apart from Zielinski, not much talent in this squad, they get the moniker, “better than the sum of their parts” but if Lewand can be kept quite, the Poles will struggle.
Sweden - Did well at the last world cup, struggled in the Nations league, held spain to a 1-1 draw in qualifiers, trounced 3-0 in Espana, hard to know what youre going to get from them here. No real star performers, Isak and Kulesveski are the talents but this may be a tournament too soon for them.
Slovakia - Priced up as also-rans but have a solid midfield of veteran hamsik, Skriniar instrumental in helping Inter win serie A and Lobotka as holding midfielder. Not much upfront and will benefit from Dubravka in goal, in a very even group and with 4 3rd placed teams qualifying, they made it out og the group stages in 2016 and the bet here is for them to advance again at a generous 7/4.
After the group of death, maybe the most interesting group to watch.
Spain will always be worthy favorites but it's almost 10 years since their golden generation ruled the international game. Xavi and Iniesta have been replaced by Koke and Rodri, the defence is suspect though with even De Gea’s place open to question after an indifferent campaign, Torres and Llorente can also score from midfield as Spain will likely field a couple of false 9 formations, Have the advantage of playing in Seville.
Poland - All about Lewandowski of course, new Portugese coach Sousa is trying to improve the defence, Wojciech Szczesny is reliable between the sticks. Apart from Zielinski, not much talent in this squad, they get the moniker, “better than the sum of their parts” but if Lewand can be kept quite, the Poles will struggle.
Sweden - Did well at the last world cup, struggled in the Nations league, held spain to a 1-1 draw in qualifiers, trounced 3-0 in Espana, hard to know what youre going to get from them here. No real star performers, Isak and Kulesveski are the talents but this may be a tournament too soon for them.
Slovakia - Priced up as also-rans but have a solid midfield of veteran hamsik, Skriniar instrumental in helping Inter win serie A and Lobotka as holding midfielder. Not much upfront and will benefit from Dubravka in goal, in a very even group and with 4 3rd placed teams qualifying, they made it out og the group stages in 2016 and the bet here is for them to advance again at a generous 7/4.
After the group of death, maybe the most interesting group to watch.
Spain will always be worthy favorites but it's almost 10 years since their golden generation ruled the international game. Xavi and Iniesta have been replaced by Koke and Rodri, the defence is suspect though with even De Gea’s place open to question after an indifferent campaign, Torres and Llorente can also score from midfield as Spain will likely field a couple of false 9 formations, Have the advantage of playing in Seville.
Poland - All about Lewandowski of course, new Portugese coach Sousa is trying to improve the defence, Wojciech Szczesny is reliable between the sticks. Apart from Zielinski, not much talent in this squad, they get the moniker, “better than the sum of their parts” but if Lewand can be kept quite, the Poles will struggle.
Sweden - Did well at the last world cup, struggled in the Nations league, held spain to a 1-1 draw in qualifiers, trounced 3-0 in Espana, hard to know what youre going to get from them here. No real star performers, Isak and Kulesveski are the talents but this may be a tournament too soon for them.
Slovakia - Priced up as also-rans but have a solid midfield of veteran hamsik, Skriniar instrumental in helping Inter win serie A and Lobotka as holding midfielder. Not much upfront and will benefit from Dubravka in goal, in a very even group and with 4 3rd placed teams qualifying, they made it out og the group stages in 2016 and the bet here is for them to advance again at a generous 7/4.
After the group of death, maybe the most interesting group to watch.
Spain will always be worthy favorites but it's almost 10 years since their golden generation ruled the international game. Xavi and Iniesta have been replaced by Koke and Rodri, the defence is suspect though with even De Gea’s place open to question after an indifferent campaign, Torres and Llorente can also score from midfield as Spain will likely field a couple of false 9 formations, Have the advantage of playing in Seville.
Poland - All about Lewandowski of course, new Portugese coach Sousa is trying to improve the defence, Wojciech Szczesny is reliable between the sticks. Apart from Zielinski, not much talent in this squad, they get the moniker, “better than the sum of their parts” but if Lewand can be kept quite, the Poles will struggle.
Sweden - Did well at the last world cup, struggled in the Nations league, held spain to a 1-1 draw in qualifiers, trounced 3-0 in Espana, hard to know what youre going to get from them here. No real star performers, Isak and Kulesveski are the talents but this may be a tournament too soon for them.
Slovakia - Priced up as also-rans but have a solid midfield of veteran hamsik, Skriniar instrumental in helping Inter win serie A and Lobotka as holding midfielder. Not much upfront and will benefit from Dubravka in goal, in a very even group and with 4 3rd placed teams qualifying, they made it out og the group stages in 2016 and the bet here is for them to advance again at a generous 7/4.
Lets start with the world champs, quality all over the park, maybe a little light at the back, LLoris safe pair of hands, what midfield options Deschamps has with kante, Koman and Pogba and upfront we're all salivating over what Mbpappe will do at full speed and has a good foil in Griezmann, the team to beat here.
Germany, never underestimate them but losing to N.Macedonia had to hurt as did the 6-0 trouncing of spain and its always a bad idea to announce they will sack a coach immediately after a tournament. The spine of the team is Munchen of course but Gundogan and the chelsea pair Havertz and werner should also play key roles after their CL winning exploits. Have home advantage.
Holders Portugal of course have the evergreen CR7 but also a good supporting cast in Atletico Madrid’s Joao Felix, Bruno Fernandes of Man Utd and Bernardo Silva from United’s local rivals Man City alongside centre-back Ruben Dias. Portugal's overall record in international play is a little spotty and it doesnt help that 2 of their rivals can play at home here. 3rd place finish for me.
Hungary - impossible task, will finish bottom
Germany are false favorites to win this group IMO, France are a great price at 13/8 (shop around) to top this group, I can see Portugal finishing 3rd but still qualifying and everyone beating up on poor hungary to boost their goal difference!
Lets start with the world champs, quality all over the park, maybe a little light at the back, LLoris safe pair of hands, what midfield options Deschamps has with kante, Koman and Pogba and upfront we're all salivating over what Mbpappe will do at full speed and has a good foil in Griezmann, the team to beat here.
Germany, never underestimate them but losing to N.Macedonia had to hurt as did the 6-0 trouncing of spain and its always a bad idea to announce they will sack a coach immediately after a tournament. The spine of the team is Munchen of course but Gundogan and the chelsea pair Havertz and werner should also play key roles after their CL winning exploits. Have home advantage.
Holders Portugal of course have the evergreen CR7 but also a good supporting cast in Atletico Madrid’s Joao Felix, Bruno Fernandes of Man Utd and Bernardo Silva from United’s local rivals Man City alongside centre-back Ruben Dias. Portugal's overall record in international play is a little spotty and it doesnt help that 2 of their rivals can play at home here. 3rd place finish for me.
Hungary - impossible task, will finish bottom
Germany are false favorites to win this group IMO, France are a great price at 13/8 (shop around) to top this group, I can see Portugal finishing 3rd but still qualifying and everyone beating up on poor hungary to boost their goal difference!
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