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    Posted: Jul. 13, 2011 - 5:50 PM ET #476

    BTW - Colombia is currently +1018 to win the tournament on Pinnacle.

    I got them at+3200.

    Thats not too bad.

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    BTW - Colombia is currently +1018 to win the tournament on Pinnacle.

    I got them at+3200.

    Thats not too bad.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 13, 2011 - 5:51 PM ET #477

    Just curious - did anyone take Colombia with me at the start of the tourney?
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    Just curious - did anyone take Colombia with me at the start of the tourney?
     
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    Posted: Jul. 13, 2011 - 5:55 PM ET #478

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Just curious - did anyone take Colombia with me at the start of the tourney?

    me...$12.50 to win $400.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Just curious - did anyone take Colombia with me at the start of the tourney?

    me...$12.50 to win $400.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 13, 2011 - 5:57 PM ET #479

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Because if they play Tina in the semis - they most certainly will be a bigger than should be dog.  To bet Tina - or to hedge in your words - I would have to pay extra to do it - and Im not willing.  Like I said, I think it will be hard for me to not add on because Colombia would probably be like +300 to advance in that game.


    but the line you HAVE on columbia is +3250.  doesn't that seem overvalued (if you are going to use that line of thinking)?  why not sell it back at a much lower price instead of watching it go to zero?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Because if they play Tina in the semis - they most certainly will be a bigger than should be dog.  To bet Tina - or to hedge in your words - I would have to pay extra to do it - and Im not willing.  Like I said, I think it will be hard for me to not add on because Colombia would probably be like +300 to advance in that game.


    but the line you HAVE on columbia is +3250.  doesn't that seem overvalued (if you are going to use that line of thinking)?  why not sell it back at a much lower price instead of watching it go to zero?
     
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    Posted: Jul. 13, 2011 - 6:01 PM ET #480

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Just curious - did anyone take Colombia with me at the start of the tourney?

    Me... +3250 at 5dimes $2 to win $65

    That's right, I am a high roller!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Just curious - did anyone take Colombia with me at the start of the tourney?

    Me... +3250 at 5dimes $2 to win $65

    That's right, I am a high roller!

     
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    Posted: Jul. 13, 2011 - 6:01 PM ET #481

    Quote Originally Posted by sims_key:


    but the line you HAVE on columbia is +3250.  doesn't that seem overvalued (if you are going to use that line of thinking)?  why not sell it back at a much lower price instead of watching it go to zero?

    Glad to see you on it too.

    I started and was involved in an epic hedging thread, where I explained the hidden cost of hedging.  The reason I wont sell it back - unless I think the current price on an independent basis is a good one (one that I would bet independent of my current bet) - is because you are getting LESS than you should.

    Now - there is also a concept of utility - which might come in to play because of the long odds here - but for now - personally - Im not willing to "pay" extra (according to my line valuatoins) to get out of this bet by hedging.  That may change, and I will keep this thread informed if circumstances change to the point where I see value - but I am always consistent on this - Im not willing to get paid less than my current position is worth just to hedge.

    But to each his own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sims_key:


    but the line you HAVE on columbia is +3250.  doesn't that seem overvalued (if you are going to use that line of thinking)?  why not sell it back at a much lower price instead of watching it go to zero?

    Glad to see you on it too.

    I started and was involved in an epic hedging thread, where I explained the hidden cost of hedging.  The reason I wont sell it back - unless I think the current price on an independent basis is a good one (one that I would bet independent of my current bet) - is because you are getting LESS than you should.

    Now - there is also a concept of utility - which might come in to play because of the long odds here - but for now - personally - Im not willing to "pay" extra (according to my line valuatoins) to get out of this bet by hedging.  That may change, and I will keep this thread informed if circumstances change to the point where I see value - but I am always consistent on this - Im not willing to get paid less than my current position is worth just to hedge.

    But to each his own.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 13, 2011 - 6:02 PM ET #482

    tailed you on the under in the paraguay game. quick do i hedge or not...

    Parlay100.00190.82Soccer - 13597 Paraguay -180 for Game
      Soccer - 14101 USA (w) -½ -115 for Game
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    tailed you on the under in the paraguay game. quick do i hedge or not...

    Parlay100.00190.82Soccer - 13597 Paraguay -180 for Game
      Soccer - 14101 USA (w) -½ -115 for Game
     
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    Posted: Jul. 13, 2011 - 6:02 PM ET #483

    Quote Originally Posted by jhonea999:

    Me... +3250 at 5dimes $2 to win $65

    That's right, I am a high roller!

    Good enough - glad to see you on it too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhonea999:

    Me... +3250 at 5dimes $2 to win $65

    That's right, I am a high roller!

    Good enough - glad to see you on it too.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 13, 2011 - 6:08 PM ET #484

    Quote Originally Posted by jwbjwbjwb12:

    tailed you on the under in the paraguay game. quick do i hedge or not...

    Parlay 100.00 190.82 Soccer - 13597 Paraguay -180 for Game
      Soccer - 14101 USA (w) -½ -115 for Game

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwbjwbjwb12:

    tailed you on the under in the paraguay game. quick do i hedge or not...

    Parlay 100.00 190.82 Soccer - 13597 Paraguay -180 for Game
      Soccer - 14101 USA (w) -½ -115 for Game

    LINK

     
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    Posted: Jul. 13, 2011 - 6:10 PM ET #485

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Glad to see you on it too.

    I started and was involved in an epic hedging thread, where I explained the hidden cost of hedging.  The reason I wont sell it back - unless I think the current price on an independent basis is a good one (one that I would bet independent of my current bet) - is because you are getting LESS than you should.

    Now - there is also a concept of utility - which might come in to play because of the long odds here - but for now - personally - Im not willing to "pay" extra (according to my line valuatoins) to get out of this bet by hedging.  That may change, and I will keep this thread informed if circumstances change to the point where I see value - but I am always consistent on this - Im not willing to get paid less than my current position is worth just to hedge.

    But to each his own.


    yeah, i have read a lot that thread.  i would NEVER hedge on a parlay...to me that is totally different from futures.  in futures, i look at it as buying low and i would look to sell high if that team goes far. to watch it plummet to zero (even if you are being cheated a few dollars) is a bad investment imo.  i view it more like stock trading.  buy low & sell high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Glad to see you on it too.

    I started and was involved in an epic hedging thread, where I explained the hidden cost of hedging.  The reason I wont sell it back - unless I think the current price on an independent basis is a good one (one that I would bet independent of my current bet) - is because you are getting LESS than you should.

    Now - there is also a concept of utility - which might come in to play because of the long odds here - but for now - personally - Im not willing to "pay" extra (according to my line valuatoins) to get out of this bet by hedging.  That may change, and I will keep this thread informed if circumstances change to the point where I see value - but I am always consistent on this - Im not willing to get paid less than my current position is worth just to hedge.

    But to each his own.


    yeah, i have read a lot that thread.  i would NEVER hedge on a parlay...to me that is totally different from futures.  in futures, i look at it as buying low and i would look to sell high if that team goes far. to watch it plummet to zero (even if you are being cheated a few dollars) is a bad investment imo.  i view it more like stock trading.  buy low & sell high.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 13, 2011 - 6:10 PM ET #486

    thanks for that vanzack. will let it ride and read the thread. appreciate all you plays and am now going to tail you in everything. what other sports do you bet>
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    thanks for that vanzack. will let it ride and read the thread. appreciate all you plays and am now going to tail you in everything. what other sports do you bet>
     
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    Posted: Jul. 13, 2011 - 6:10 PM ET #487

    I got Columbia +3317 before tourney started
    Risk 20 Win 663

    Also got Chile +1366 
    Risk 20 Win 273

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    I got Columbia +3317 before tourney started
    Risk 20 Win 663

    Also got Chile +1366 
    Risk 20 Win 273

     
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    Posted: Jul. 13, 2011 - 6:33 PM ET #488

    That early goal is NOT beneficial to my evening
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    That early goal is NOT beneficial to my evening
     
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    Posted: Jul. 13, 2011 - 6:36 PM ET #489

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Just curious - did anyone take Colombia with me at the start of the tourney?


    I took them 1 unit at +3200


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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Just curious - did anyone take Colombia with me at the start of the tourney?


    I took them 1 unit at +3200


     
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    Posted: Jul. 13, 2011 - 6:40 PM ET #490

    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop:

    That early goal is NOT beneficial to my evening


    You and me both swoop, I took the UNDER 2.5 juiced to -145 or so
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop:

    That early goal is NOT beneficial to my evening


    You and me both swoop, I took the UNDER 2.5 juiced to -145 or so
     
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    Posted: Jul. 13, 2011 - 7:41 PM ET #491

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    PLEASE DONT FORGET TO POST HERE IF ANYONE SEES A 3rd PLACE GAME TOTAL



    Pinnacla only has USA/Japan game

    World Cup Women Soccer - Sun 7/17


    Handicap1X2Total GoalsMore
    Sun 7/177601Japan (w)
    0 and +0.5    2.130   3.880OVER 2 and 2.5    1.990 06:00 AM7602USA (W)
    0 and -0.5    1.800   2.080UNDER 2 and 2.5    1.901

    7603Draw

       3.420

    365 has both games up

    Total Goals
    o2.5 -118
    u2.5 -105

    Asian Goals [lower limits]
    o2.5 1.875 (-114)
    u2.5 1.925 (-108)
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    PLEASE DONT FORGET TO POST HERE IF ANYONE SEES A 3rd PLACE GAME TOTAL



    Pinnacla only has USA/Japan game

    World Cup Women Soccer - Sun 7/17


    Handicap1X2Total GoalsMore
    Sun 7/177601Japan (w)
    0 and +0.5    2.130   3.880OVER 2 and 2.5    1.990 06:00 AM7602USA (W)
    0 and -0.5    1.800   2.080UNDER 2 and 2.5    1.901

    7603Draw

       3.420

    365 has both games up

    Total Goals
    o2.5 -118
    u2.5 -105

    Asian Goals [lower limits]
    o2.5 1.875 (-114)
    u2.5 1.925 (-108)
     
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    Posted: Jul. 13, 2011 - 7:43 PM ET #492

    top one came out shit, anyways 365 total/asian goals is for Sweden/France
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    top one came out shit, anyways 365 total/asian goals is for Sweden/France
     
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    Posted: Jul. 13, 2011 - 7:45 PM ET #493

    O2.5 is -118 on Bet365 in the 3rd place game
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    O2.5 is -118 on Bet365 in the 3rd place game
     
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    Posted: Jul. 13, 2011 - 8:09 PM ET #494

    got Colombia $50/1250..we.ll see
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    got Colombia $50/1250..we.ll see
     
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    Posted: Jul. 13, 2011 - 8:12 PM ET #495

    gooooo brazil!!!!!
    I am on brazil -1 
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    gooooo brazil!!!!!
    I am on brazil -1 
     
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    Posted: Jul. 13, 2011 - 8:13 PM ET #496

    dam this copa america, I am 0-3 so far this tournament lol
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    dam this copa america, I am 0-3 so far this tournament lol
     
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    Posted: Jul. 13, 2011 - 8:13 PM ET #497

    dam this copa america, I am 0-3 so far this tournament lol
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    dam this copa america, I am 0-3 so far this tournament lol
     
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    Posted: Jul. 13, 2011 - 8:34 PM ET #498

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Swoop - you better check if you can get the +1 anymore.  I think you would have to pay about -150 for that.

    Back when the line was +1 and the total was 2 and 2.5, I debated the same thing you did, and just came up with the total as a better bet because my most likely final score is Paraguay 1-0.  When I assigned probabilities to final scores, and summed them up, the under was a better play for me.

    But if you can get +1 at a good price, it would be a better bet than the under 2 at a high price.

    Needless to say, the 3-3 draw didnt enter my probability matrix.

    Just awful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Swoop - you better check if you can get the +1 anymore.  I think you would have to pay about -150 for that.

    Back when the line was +1 and the total was 2 and 2.5, I debated the same thing you did, and just came up with the total as a better bet because my most likely final score is Paraguay 1-0.  When I assigned probabilities to final scores, and summed them up, the under was a better play for me.

    But if you can get +1 at a good price, it would be a better bet than the under 2 at a high price.

    Needless to say, the 3-3 draw didnt enter my probability matrix.

    Just awful.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 13, 2011 - 8:36 PM ET #499

    Quote Originally Posted by thegame909:

    O2.5 is -118 on Bet365 in the 3rd place game

    Any update on this line?  Moving?

    I only hope this makes it to a real book soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegame909:

    O2.5 is -118 on Bet365 in the 3rd place game

    Any update on this line?  Moving?

    I only hope this makes it to a real book soon.

     
     
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    Van, how does this affect the Brazil game?  Do they just go for the draw?  Can Ecuador score?  You thinking 2-1?  Or does Brazil try to make a statement? 


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    Van, how does this affect the Brazil game?  Do they just go for the draw?  Can Ecuador score?  You thinking 2-1?  Or does Brazil try to make a statement? 


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