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    Posted: Jul. 19, 2011 - 6:01 PM ET #601

    Quote Originally Posted by ZonaCats:

    I've found that with a lot of these books offering horrible prices, it's much better to get in during live betting about 5 min (or more) into the game. lines drop significantly but you also risk the chance of an early goal being scored but with the way things have gone in this tourney....



    Good advice.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ZonaCats:

    I've found that with a lot of these books offering horrible prices, it's much better to get in during live betting about 5 min (or more) into the game. lines drop significantly but you also risk the chance of an early goal being scored but with the way things have gone in this tourney....



    Good advice.


     
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    Posted: Jul. 19, 2011 - 6:19 PM ET #602

    Van - keep up the good work.  Keep your head up!!!!

    Question: In the last 15 months, are you literally 14-1 in terms of winning vs losing months?  What is your avg # of bets per month - and what has been your units won in the last 15 months? 

    Seems like everyone has good things to say about you (only been reading soccer stuff for this tourney) - but definitely plan to follow when season starts up again too.
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    Van - keep up the good work.  Keep your head up!!!!

    Question: In the last 15 months, are you literally 14-1 in terms of winning vs losing months?  What is your avg # of bets per month - and what has been your units won in the last 15 months? 

    Seems like everyone has good things to say about you (only been reading soccer stuff for this tourney) - but definitely plan to follow when season starts up again too.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 19, 2011 - 7:27 PM ET #604

    Quote Originally Posted by kvs23:

    Van - keep up the good work.  Keep your head up!!!!

    Question: In the last 15 months, are you literally 14-1 in terms of winning vs losing months?  What is your avg # of bets per month - and what has been your units won in the last 15 months? 

    Seems like everyone has good things to say about you (only been reading soccer stuff for this tourney) - but definitely plan to follow when season starts up again too.

    Yes, I literally have not had a losing month in the last 15 since this month.  And Im down 4 units right now (including the womens WC), which isnt all that bad.....

    I dont answer those other questions specifically, they only cause arguments - but I have been on a great run - admittedly a lot of luck and way above anything that should be expected - just the positive side of variance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kvs23:

    Van - keep up the good work.  Keep your head up!!!!

    Question: In the last 15 months, are you literally 14-1 in terms of winning vs losing months?  What is your avg # of bets per month - and what has been your units won in the last 15 months? 

    Seems like everyone has good things to say about you (only been reading soccer stuff for this tourney) - but definitely plan to follow when season starts up again too.

    Yes, I literally have not had a losing month in the last 15 since this month.  And Im down 4 units right now (including the womens WC), which isnt all that bad.....

    I dont answer those other questions specifically, they only cause arguments - but I have been on a great run - admittedly a lot of luck and way above anything that should be expected - just the positive side of variance.

    GL

     
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    Posted: Jul. 19, 2011 - 8:17 PM ET #605

    Van - fair enough.  Great work, I will be following closely (and tailing too) - so let's BOTH hope the next 15 months is better than the last 15 months.
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    Van - fair enough.  Great work, I will be following closely (and tailing too) - so let's BOTH hope the next 15 months is better than the last 15 months.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 19, 2011 - 8:31 PM ET #606

    Quote Originally Posted by kvs23:

    Van - fair enough.  Great work, I will be following closely (and tailing too) - so let's BOTH hope the next 15 months is better than the last 15 months.


    So wait....you're hoping for 15 winning months in the next 15, rather than 14? I think you may need a reality check if that's what you're hoping for....holy smokes, tough crowd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kvs23:

    Van - fair enough.  Great work, I will be following closely (and tailing too) - so let's BOTH hope the next 15 months is better than the last 15 months.


    So wait....you're hoping for 15 winning months in the next 15, rather than 14? I think you may need a reality check if that's what you're hoping for....holy smokes, tough crowd.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 19, 2011 - 8:36 PM ET #607

    Just to finish that thought, even if Van had a 90% chance of having a winning month in any given month (which is insane), he would only have a 21% chance of his next 15 months all being profitable.

    Good luck with that. Just appreciate a good run and understand it's not going to last forever.
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    Just to finish that thought, even if Van had a 90% chance of having a winning month in any given month (which is insane), he would only have a 21% chance of his next 15 months all being profitable.

    Good luck with that. Just appreciate a good run and understand it's not going to last forever.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 19, 2011 - 9:49 PM ET #608

    someone score a F#U#C#K#I#N#G GOOOOOOOOOL  

    worst copa america ever!
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    someone score a F#U#C#K#I#N#G GOOOOOOOOOL  

    worst copa america ever!
     
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    Posted: Jul. 19, 2011 - 11:34 PM ET #610

    I know, I am joking.  Just hoping he keeps on rolling... I know 15/15 is crazy/impossible.  My point was he is HOT, hope he stays that way.
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    I know, I am joking.  Just hoping he keeps on rolling... I know 15/15 is crazy/impossible.  My point was he is HOT, hope he stays that way.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 20, 2011 - 12:22 AM ET #611

    hey vanzack, keep up the good work! looking to tail you in the upcoming months on other sports. Do you just post a season long thread in each of the sports you bet or what? Thanks
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    hey vanzack, keep up the good work! looking to tail you in the upcoming months on other sports. Do you just post a season long thread in each of the sports you bet or what? Thanks
     
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    Posted: Jul. 20, 2011 - 7:43 AM ET #612

    Quote Originally Posted by kvs23:

    I know, I am joking.  Just hoping he keeps on rolling... I know 15/15 is crazy/impossible.  My point was he is HOT, hope he stays that way.


    ahhhh, gotcha. My bad, I didn't get the humour at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kvs23:

    I know, I am joking.  Just hoping he keeps on rolling... I know 15/15 is crazy/impossible.  My point was he is HOT, hope he stays that way.


    ahhhh, gotcha. My bad, I didn't get the humour at all.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 20, 2011 - 12:56 PM ET #613

    Great call on Uruguay last night Van!

    Good luck on the over tonight!

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    Great call on Uruguay last night Van!

    Good luck on the over tonight!

     
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    Posted: Jul. 20, 2011 - 1:24 PM ET #614

    Quote Originally Posted by jwbjwbjwb12:

    hey vanzack, keep up the good work! looking to tail you in the upcoming months on other sports. Do you just post a season long thread in each of the sports you bet or what? Thanks

    Im not the right guy to "tail".

    I post sporadically, and only bet Football and Soccer.  I used to bet MLB but didnt this year and wont unless things change offshore.  I also am not a guy who goes 60%+ in football - I am a grinder - and I do it in a lot of different ways other than bet win cash cycle.  im not a gifted "capper" like some in the football forum claim to be.

    But I appreciate the compliment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwbjwbjwb12:

    hey vanzack, keep up the good work! looking to tail you in the upcoming months on other sports. Do you just post a season long thread in each of the sports you bet or what? Thanks

    Im not the right guy to "tail".

    I post sporadically, and only bet Football and Soccer.  I used to bet MLB but didnt this year and wont unless things change offshore.  I also am not a guy who goes 60%+ in football - I am a grinder - and I do it in a lot of different ways other than bet win cash cycle.  im not a gifted "capper" like some in the football forum claim to be.

    But I appreciate the compliment.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 20, 2011 - 1:25 PM ET #615

    Thanks everyone else for the comments.

    The over for tonight has ticked up a little bit in the last couple of hours.  I actually toyed with adding on, but decided against it - I do like it though.

    Anyway - Im glad this tournament is coming to a close!

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    Thanks everyone else for the comments.

    The over for tonight has ticked up a little bit in the last couple of hours.  I actually toyed with adding on, but decided against it - I do like it though.

    Anyway - Im glad this tournament is coming to a close!

     
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    Posted: Jul. 20, 2011 - 1:34 PM ET #616

    thanks Van, well i look forward to following you in soccer then. good luck tonight!
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    thanks Van, well i look forward to following you in soccer then. good luck tonight!
     
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    Posted: Jul. 20, 2011 - 5:58 PM ET #617

    GL tonight Van
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    GL tonight Van
     
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    Posted: Jul. 21, 2011 - 12:44 PM ET #618

    Peru/Zeula over for enough units to get back to even? 
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZonaCats:

    Peru/Zeula over for enough units to get back to even? 


    That's tough given Peru's lack of scoring punch...even with the usual automatic over in 3rd place games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZonaCats:

    Peru/Zeula over for enough units to get back to even? 


    That's tough given Peru's lack of scoring punch...even with the usual automatic over in 3rd place games.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2011 - 6:50 AM ET #620

    Over in the 3rd place match tonight?
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2011 - 7:48 PM ET #621

    Record:
    11-11
    Down: 6.71 Units

    Future:
    A. Colombia +32-1 (risk .25 unit to win 8 units) - LOSS

    Results
    1. Bolivia +2.5 -113 (1 unit), .5 unit to Bolivia +2.5 and 3 -103 - WIN
    2. Arg / Bol Under 3 and 3.5 +107 (1.5 units), .5 unit to the under 3.5 and 4 +108 - WIN
    3. CR / Colombia Under 2.5 -114 (1.5 units) - WIN
    4. Venezuela / Brazil Over 3 -116 (1.5 units) - LOSS
    5. Paraguay -.5 -125 (2.5 units) - LOSS
    6. Uruguay -1 -122 (1.5 units) - adding .5 unit at -108 to make it 2 units total - LOSS
    7. Chile -160 (1 unit) - adding .5 unit at -133 to make it 1.5 units total - WIN
    8. Argentina -1 and -1.5 -105 (4 units) - LOSS
    9. CR +.5 -120 (1 unit) - WIN
    10. Uruguay / Chile over 2 and 2.5 -102 (2.5 units) - HALF LOSS
    11. Peru / Mexico draw +227 (1 unit) - LOSS
    12. Paraguay +1 -118 (3 units) - WIN
    13. Equador / Venezuela over 2 -115 (2 units) - LOSS
    14. Peru / Chile Under 2 and 2.5 - 110 (2 units) - WIN
    15. Uruguay -1 -119 (3 units) - PUSH
    16. Paraguay / Vene Under 2 and 2.5 -120 (2.5 units) - LOSS
    17. Brazil / Equador OVER 2.5 -105 (1 unit) - WIN
    18. Columbia -.5 -130 (3 units) - LOSS
    19. Uruguay +.5 +143 (1.5 units) - WIN
    20. Paraguay +.5 +140 (3 units) - WIN
    21. Chile -.5 -130 (2 units) - LOSS
    22. Uruguay -.5 -115 (2 units) - WIN
    23. Paraguay / Venezuela over 2 -110 (2 units) - LOSS

    Saturday July 23
    Vene / Peru over 2 and 2.5 -115 (2 units)

    Sunday July 24
    Paraguay +.5 -110 (3 units)
    Paraguay to win tournament +200 (1 unit)

    I cant NOT bet a 3rd place game over.  At least until it fails me.  I guess this is probably the tournament that could do it to me, but Im not about to second guess a 3rd place game that is 2 and 2.5.

    Uruguay is overpriced.  Period.  Especially for the 90 minute price, it could easily be scoreless after 90, and in OT and penalties I will take my chances at +200.

    Whatever happens, this has not been a great tourney, not only for me, but for the fans and the game too.  What a disaster Argentina and Brazil are - Brazil better get it together in the next couple of years or they might be a fade at home in 2014.

    GL guys - regular season in about a 4 weeks!

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    Record:
    11-11
    Down: 6.71 Units

    Future:
    A. Colombia +32-1 (risk .25 unit to win 8 units) - LOSS

    Results
    1. Bolivia +2.5 -113 (1 unit), .5 unit to Bolivia +2.5 and 3 -103 - WIN
    2. Arg / Bol Under 3 and 3.5 +107 (1.5 units), .5 unit to the under 3.5 and 4 +108 - WIN
    3. CR / Colombia Under 2.5 -114 (1.5 units) - WIN
    4. Venezuela / Brazil Over 3 -116 (1.5 units) - LOSS
    5. Paraguay -.5 -125 (2.5 units) - LOSS
    6. Uruguay -1 -122 (1.5 units) - adding .5 unit at -108 to make it 2 units total - LOSS
    7. Chile -160 (1 unit) - adding .5 unit at -133 to make it 1.5 units total - WIN
    8. Argentina -1 and -1.5 -105 (4 units) - LOSS
    9. CR +.5 -120 (1 unit) - WIN
    10. Uruguay / Chile over 2 and 2.5 -102 (2.5 units) - HALF LOSS
    11. Peru / Mexico draw +227 (1 unit) - LOSS
    12. Paraguay +1 -118 (3 units) - WIN
    13. Equador / Venezuela over 2 -115 (2 units) - LOSS
    14. Peru / Chile Under 2 and 2.5 - 110 (2 units) - WIN
    15. Uruguay -1 -119 (3 units) - PUSH
    16. Paraguay / Vene Under 2 and 2.5 -120 (2.5 units) - LOSS
    17. Brazil / Equador OVER 2.5 -105 (1 unit) - WIN
    18. Columbia -.5 -130 (3 units) - LOSS
    19. Uruguay +.5 +143 (1.5 units) - WIN
    20. Paraguay +.5 +140 (3 units) - WIN
    21. Chile -.5 -130 (2 units) - LOSS
    22. Uruguay -.5 -115 (2 units) - WIN
    23. Paraguay / Venezuela over 2 -110 (2 units) - LOSS

    Saturday July 23
    Vene / Peru over 2 and 2.5 -115 (2 units)

    Sunday July 24
    Paraguay +.5 -110 (3 units)
    Paraguay to win tournament +200 (1 unit)

    I cant NOT bet a 3rd place game over.  At least until it fails me.  I guess this is probably the tournament that could do it to me, but Im not about to second guess a 3rd place game that is 2 and 2.5.

    Uruguay is overpriced.  Period.  Especially for the 90 minute price, it could easily be scoreless after 90, and in OT and penalties I will take my chances at +200.

    Whatever happens, this has not been a great tourney, not only for me, but for the fans and the game too.  What a disaster Argentina and Brazil are - Brazil better get it together in the next couple of years or they might be a fade at home in 2014.

    GL guys - regular season in about a 4 weeks!

     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2011 - 9:50 PM ET #622

    Wow, Paraguay? 

    GL, I'm going to probably end up taking both overs. 



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    GL, I'm going to probably end up taking both overs. 



     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2011 - 12:29 AM ET #623

    GL and thanks Van!
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2011 - 2:01 AM ET #624

    I'd like to bet Uruguay in the final, but no value..

    Forlan & Suarez are difference makers to me.


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    Forlan & Suarez are difference makers to me.


     
     
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    Van,

    I know you have been discussing the state of gambling in the US a lot.  Did you see Greek and Betjam closed their doors to US customers?  
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    I know you have been discussing the state of gambling in the US a lot.  Did you see Greek and Betjam closed their doors to US customers?  
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