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#1
Weepu? Yes. Even Cruden? Yes.
Slade? Not in a million years.
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The All Blacks will not win the WC w/Slade in the 10 jersey
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#8
Of course they're good enough to win w/Weepu or Cruden. But those 2 players can't & won't lose a game all by themselves. Slade can, and will.
South Africa beat his ass up in SAF in the Tri-Nations, and they'll do it again. Henry has to grow a brain in short order. Slade always looks like a deer in headlights. Any opponent he inspires fear in, is an opponent who can't play rugby.
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#9
Well, Slade can but you can't say he will. I don't see where all the faith in Cruden is coming from, of course he's good but people don't remember why he isn't in front of Slade in the first place - he played subpar in his previous performances.
The Springboks are a different team when you play them in South Africa and I don't think the thought of marking Morne Steyn will be very threatening.
I'm not saying that Slade's going to win or lose it for us, but I do think that people aren't cutting him enough slack because they keep comparing him to Dan Carter.
The Springboks are a different team when you play them in South Africa and I don't think the thought of marking Morne Steyn will be very threatening.
I'm not saying that Slade's going to win or lose it for us, but I do think that people aren't cutting him enough slack because they keep comparing him to Dan Carter.
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#12
the ABs won't be so lucky enough that that injury isn't more than a scare.
of course he's good but people don't remember why he isn't in front of Slade in the first place
It's not a matter of remembering as far as I'm concerned, it's a matter of not understanding why in the 1st place. Today he faced Canada, and at numerous times didn't look like he was up to it. I don't see how Cruden could have played any worse. I've seen Slade like players in the ABs before. They're good at provincial/Super level which suggests they're up for international play, but then they're not really good enough once they get there - good enough to fool people in the short term they might grow into it, but never do grow into it. Stephen Donald is a classic example. Cruden maybe young, and inexperienced internationally, but he doesn't strike me as one of those players, to me he appears to have a real international future ahead of him. So I personally would rather go with a player who I know belongs on the international stage, than one I don't. I have no hesitation in saying Slade will not go on to have a long career in the ABs 10 jersey (even if Carter never played another game, I assert there'd rapidly come a point where Slade would be replaced).
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#14
I don't see how you can say that so confidently, the All Blacks are hurt but just because they've lost Carter, doesn't mean they're not still favourites and odds on to win the competition.
The reason i used the word 'remember' was for this exact reason, because it really isn't about understanding why in the first place, there were definite reasons that people just forgot - Cruden has played 6 tests so it's not like Slade is really any more internationally experienced than Cruden, picking up his 9th test cap against Canada. When Cruden played, he seemed undersized and looked to try do too much hence why Slade (perceived as being more 'safe' and consistent at the time) was picked ahead of him.
In my perspective, Slade played decently well against Canada, his notable faults came from the charge down and his goal kicking, but his distributing was good and he made some nice breaks - including the one that set up our first try. He's versatile having played at fullback in the lower levels and has also had some time on the wing now for the All Blacks.
Yes, Stephen Donald was horrible for the All Blacks.
At the end of the day, there is always a reason why the coaches make their decisions and you can trust that they know more than us. I'm really not saying that Colin Slade will be in the #10 jersey for a long time either, nor am I saying that Cruden is a poor player but I'm saying that if Slade stayed in the #10 jersey, I'd still without a doubt put money on the All Blacks winning the World Cup.
Everyone knew that Cruden would get his chance again sooner or later for the All Blacks but in a World Cup year, Slade's perception of playing textbook rugby was why he was picked.
The reason i used the word 'remember' was for this exact reason, because it really isn't about understanding why in the first place, there were definite reasons that people just forgot - Cruden has played 6 tests so it's not like Slade is really any more internationally experienced than Cruden, picking up his 9th test cap against Canada. When Cruden played, he seemed undersized and looked to try do too much hence why Slade (perceived as being more 'safe' and consistent at the time) was picked ahead of him.
In my perspective, Slade played decently well against Canada, his notable faults came from the charge down and his goal kicking, but his distributing was good and he made some nice breaks - including the one that set up our first try. He's versatile having played at fullback in the lower levels and has also had some time on the wing now for the All Blacks.
Yes, Stephen Donald was horrible for the All Blacks.
At the end of the day, there is always a reason why the coaches make their decisions and you can trust that they know more than us. I'm really not saying that Colin Slade will be in the #10 jersey for a long time either, nor am I saying that Cruden is a poor player but I'm saying that if Slade stayed in the #10 jersey, I'd still without a doubt put money on the All Blacks winning the World Cup.
Everyone knew that Cruden would get his chance again sooner or later for the All Blacks but in a World Cup year, Slade's perception of playing textbook rugby was why he was picked.
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#16
I'm not saying, from my pov, Cruden is an ideal choice in any sense of the word, but for me it's Cruden ahead of Slade. But I'd go with Weepu before either of them.
As for this line, the coaches picked him so trust that they know what they're doing - these are the coaches that coached the ABs out of the QF stage last time. Not every choice they make is the right one. IMO, this is clearly, without a hesitation of a doubt, the wrong one.
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#18
Quote Originally Posted by Davenz:
Regardless of what happens bookies quotes havn't reacted enough to DC being out. Was around 1.55 now around 1.75, should be for mine 2.30. With DC out every team left except Argentina is capable of beating the AB's on any given day.
Regardless of what happens bookies quotes havn't reacted enough to DC being out. Was around 1.55 now around 1.75, should be for mine 2.30. With DC out every team left except Argentina is capable of beating the AB's on any given day.
I think that UNDER-reaction from the books suggests that they're pretty comfortable with the lack of form Australia and South Africa are showing
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Posted:
#19
Fortunately the ABs play the Argentinians, whose goal kicking and general offense has licked so many balls that means Slade could have a horror game and they'll still win. So the perfect result there IMO would be for Slade to suck badly, ABs scrape through and henry & co are left no choice but to not be able to go again w/Slade vs tougher opposition.
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#21
Quote Originally Posted by Jive_Turkey:
I think that UNDER-reaction from the books suggests that they're pretty comfortable with the lack of form Australia and South Africa are showing
Incompetence more like. Just like the line setting most of the tournament. The price with DC and without warrents far more than a 15-20 cent swing.
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#23
Quote Originally Posted by sandique:
I'm not saying, from my pov, Cruden is an ideal choice in any sense of the word, but for me it's Cruden ahead of Slade. But I'd go with Weepu before either of them.
As for this line, the coaches picked him so trust that they know what they're doing - these are the coaches that coached the ABs out of the QF stage last time. Not every choice they make is the right one. IMO, this is clearly, without a hesitation of a doubt, the wrong one.
No, of course they do not always make the right choice but you can safely assume that their judgement is on average, better than ours.
Yes, we lost in the last RWC, but what about the last 5 coaches that couldn't win it either? Graham Henry is the most experienced All Blacks coach with 100 tests, which towers over John Hart's second placing of 41 tests. For coaches who have coached 15 or more games, Henry's 85% win record is second only to Alex Wyllie's 86% (however Henry has coached 70 more games than Wyllie).
Regardless of who the AB's decide to play in the #10 jersey, as Hirschfelder said, the World Cup is still the AB's to lose.
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