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#1
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-matchfixing-nsw-organised-crime-squad-investigating/news-story/99ac35ee1045a0cc0c4e0b9bfc212f70
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NRL match-fixing: NSW Organised Crime Squad investigating
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#3
It gets better LOL
I did say on here last year that i saw on numerous occassions Hayson and 2 of Manly's biggest stars drinking it up and lapping it up at Manly wharf bar and the shore club AND a few of uhm what could proably considered "employees" of Mr Haysons former establishment
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#7
Quote Originally Posted by emkee:
They need to investigate that game last season when the Chooks were -4.5 vs Saints, up by 4 with a minute left in the game Friend nails a pointless FG for a 5-point win.There are too many dodgy games to count either way.NRL sets itself up to be corrupt.
They need to investigate that game last season when the Chooks were -4.5 vs Saints, up by 4 with a minute left in the game Friend nails a pointless FG for a 5-point win.There are too many dodgy games to count either way.NRL sets itself up to be corrupt.
jeez I remember that, if they want to he serious about this then there is definitely more than 2 games, like the one you mentioned. Though I got a feeling they don't want to life ban half the comp.
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#9
Quote Originally Posted by emkee:
They need to investigate that game last season when the Chooks were -4.5 vs Saints, up by 4 with a minute left in the game Friend nails a pointless FG for a 5-point win.
They need to investigate that game last season when the Chooks were -4.5 vs Saints, up by 4 with a minute left in the game Friend nails a pointless FG for a 5-point win.
There are too many dodgy games to count either way.
NRL sets itself up to be corrupt.
Probably promised the bikies where he goes and gets all his tattoos from and hangs around them a -4.5.
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#10
The best one i remember last year was the game between the Cows and Dogs up in Nth QLD.
I remember i had dogs +8.5.
Cows were up by 7 or 8 after JT landed a FG or a penalty goal...i cant remember specifically exactly.
Anyways what happened next stuck in my mind, there was about 25 seconds left in the game and the dogs were running it off there line, about 20 metres out T rex drops the ball.
As soon as that happened, you could see all the players put their hands on there hips and hunched over as if to say, ok, that will do it...............................except for 2 cowboys players WHO SPRINTED to form a scrum.
As they were sprinting, another cows player grabbed on of there jerseys as if to say, "what are you doing, its finished".
The player whose jersey was grabbed said something to him, then all of a sudden he ran to the scrum as did the other players and the ref called time out as the Cows formed there side of the scrum.
I remember watching it with my dad and i instantly got up off the couch absolutely fuming.
The question is, you are up by 7 or 8, with 10 seconds left, why on earth do you want to pack the scrum especially when 24 players on the field had actually packed up shop after T Rex dropped the ball?
That was one of the most dodgiest things i have seen. Luckily for me, even though the Cows tried to score off the scrum, they didnt.
If anyone can get footage of that last 25 odd seconds...i highly recommend watching it.
Dodgy as.
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#11
Trust me guys...
Every sports fixing is going on..Noway anybody can stop it..
Does not matter how hard they try to stop... Wasting times....
Money control the world....
It's you wasting times to talk this matter.. 
Sofar 20% sports are fixing.. So 80% not fixing... 
Simple find your way to beat bookies..that's all...
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#13
Just knew rostos will claim this as all fact. Reality tells a different story.
Which bookmaker lets Hayson have a bet? He owes most of them money and nobody wants anything to do with him because he doesn't pay debts. Which bookmaker lets anybody associated with hayson have a bet? Which bookmaker allows anybody associated with Hayson have these bets for these amounts?
Which bookmaker took these bets? All bookmakers have denied taking these bets. As most are listed operations, either here or Europe, they have requirements to be honest about bets of htis nature. If it was a smaller, non-listed operation (like a Top Sport), where are their bets laying off?
Why did the line in the Parra v Manly game move in the opposite direction? Why did it open at -21.5 and close at -25? Weight of money reduces the line
Every bookmaker is required to let the NRL integrity unit know of every bet for a liability over $10,000. Did any bookmakers do this? If they did, what have the integrity unit done with it for nearly 12 months? If they didn't notify the NRL, will this bookmaker lose their license to bet on NRL as the rules dictate? Did none of it happen because these bets never happened?
Bookmakers are the first to raise issues of suspect betting, generally before the event (eg Tandy). Why did no bookmaker say anything at the time and not one has said anything since? Why hasn't one leaked to their media buddies "shady dealings" in these 2 games? Bookmakers hate losing money.
Which bookmaker takes bets of this size? Which bookmaker takes bets of these size from anybody once their first bet wins? Which bookmaker takes bets of this size against one team, when the customers previous large bet against this team won?
If it was at Pinnacle it would take 20 max bets to reach these amounts. If that happened the line would have nearly halved in each game. And if that happened every bookmaker in Australia would move with them. That didn't happen
People in the industry are laughing at this. There is no evidence, from bets taken to line movements, that corroborates any of these allegations. This is just "Blackest day in Australian sport" Mark II
Which bookmaker lets Hayson have a bet? He owes most of them money and nobody wants anything to do with him because he doesn't pay debts. Which bookmaker lets anybody associated with hayson have a bet? Which bookmaker allows anybody associated with Hayson have these bets for these amounts?
Which bookmaker took these bets? All bookmakers have denied taking these bets. As most are listed operations, either here or Europe, they have requirements to be honest about bets of htis nature. If it was a smaller, non-listed operation (like a Top Sport), where are their bets laying off?
Why did the line in the Parra v Manly game move in the opposite direction? Why did it open at -21.5 and close at -25? Weight of money reduces the line
Every bookmaker is required to let the NRL integrity unit know of every bet for a liability over $10,000. Did any bookmakers do this? If they did, what have the integrity unit done with it for nearly 12 months? If they didn't notify the NRL, will this bookmaker lose their license to bet on NRL as the rules dictate? Did none of it happen because these bets never happened?
Bookmakers are the first to raise issues of suspect betting, generally before the event (eg Tandy). Why did no bookmaker say anything at the time and not one has said anything since? Why hasn't one leaked to their media buddies "shady dealings" in these 2 games? Bookmakers hate losing money.
Which bookmaker takes bets of this size? Which bookmaker takes bets of these size from anybody once their first bet wins? Which bookmaker takes bets of this size against one team, when the customers previous large bet against this team won?
If it was at Pinnacle it would take 20 max bets to reach these amounts. If that happened the line would have nearly halved in each game. And if that happened every bookmaker in Australia would move with them. That didn't happen
People in the industry are laughing at this. There is no evidence, from bets taken to line movements, that corroborates any of these allegations. This is just "Blackest day in Australian sport" Mark II
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#15
Quote Originally Posted by rod_steel:
It does seem odd that all the bookmakers have been silent ever since this story broke.
It does seem odd that all the bookmakers have been silent ever since this story broke.
So where is this story originating from Loz? Also why now, the day after the first Origin game?
My understanding is that the media knew of it for a few weeks. One policeman blabbed to a couple of journo's. Without anything concrete to back it up they sat on it (they didn't know teams or games). Some tried to allude to it, which is why there was a random Paul Kent article a week before about betting. It was actually Kate McClymont at the Herald who did the digging and found out the details. She is the crime reporter and not sport, so doesn't care who she upsets in the game. It was sat on for another 48 hours so that it would get full coverage after Origin, not get lost in pre-Origin hype.
How did it all originate? The same way ICAC found out about Margaret Cuneen. A common thread links the two
Interesting note in todays SMH
"Corporate bookmakers licensed in Australia and Tabcorp have not reported any unusual betting trends associated with two games during last season's premiership that are at the centre of NSW Police enquiries into allegations of match-fixing."
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#16
Quote Originally Posted by Hirschfelder:
Just knew rostos will claim this as all fact. Reality tells a different story.
Which bookmaker lets Hayson have a bet? He owes most of them money and nobody wants anything to do with him because he doesn't pay debts. Which bookmaker lets anybody associated with hayson have a bet? Which bookmaker allows anybody associated with Hayson have these bets for these amounts?
Which bookmaker took these bets? All bookmakers have denied taking these bets. As most are listed operations, either here or Europe, they have requirements to be honest about bets of htis nature. If it was a smaller, non-listed operation (like a Top Sport), where are their bets laying off?
Why did the line in the Parra v Manly game move in the opposite direction? Why did it open at -21.5 and close at -25? Weight of money reduces the line
Every bookmaker is required to let the NRL integrity unit know of every bet for a liability over $10,000. Did any bookmakers do this? If they did, what have the integrity unit done with it for nearly 12 months? If they didn't notify the NRL, will this bookmaker lose their license to bet on NRL as the rules dictate? Did none of it happen because these bets never happened?
Bookmakers are the first to raise issues of suspect betting, generally before the event (eg Tandy). Why did no bookmaker say anything at the time and not one has said anything since? Why hasn't one leaked to their media buddies "shady dealings" in these 2 games? Bookmakers hate losing money.
Which bookmaker takes bets of this size? Which bookmaker takes bets of these size from anybody once their first bet wins? Which bookmaker takes bets of this size against one team, when the customers previous large bet against this team won?
If it was at Pinnacle it would take 20 max bets to reach these amounts. If that happened the line would have nearly halved in each game. And if that happened every bookmaker in Australia would move with them. That didn't happen
People in the industry are laughing at this. There is no evidence, from bets taken to line movements, that corroborates any of these allegations. This is just "Blackest day in Australian sport" Mark II
Just knew rostos will claim this as all fact. Reality tells a different story.
Which bookmaker lets Hayson have a bet? He owes most of them money and nobody wants anything to do with him because he doesn't pay debts. Which bookmaker lets anybody associated with hayson have a bet? Which bookmaker allows anybody associated with Hayson have these bets for these amounts?
Which bookmaker took these bets? All bookmakers have denied taking these bets. As most are listed operations, either here or Europe, they have requirements to be honest about bets of htis nature. If it was a smaller, non-listed operation (like a Top Sport), where are their bets laying off?
Why did the line in the Parra v Manly game move in the opposite direction? Why did it open at -21.5 and close at -25? Weight of money reduces the line
Every bookmaker is required to let the NRL integrity unit know of every bet for a liability over $10,000. Did any bookmakers do this? If they did, what have the integrity unit done with it for nearly 12 months? If they didn't notify the NRL, will this bookmaker lose their license to bet on NRL as the rules dictate? Did none of it happen because these bets never happened?
Bookmakers are the first to raise issues of suspect betting, generally before the event (eg Tandy). Why did no bookmaker say anything at the time and not one has said anything since? Why hasn't one leaked to their media buddies "shady dealings" in these 2 games? Bookmakers hate losing money.
Which bookmaker takes bets of this size? Which bookmaker takes bets of these size from anybody once their first bet wins? Which bookmaker takes bets of this size against one team, when the customers previous large bet against this team won?
If it was at Pinnacle it would take 20 max bets to reach these amounts. If that happened the line would have nearly halved in each game. And if that happened every bookmaker in Australia would move with them. That didn't happen
People in the industry are laughing at this. There is no evidence, from bets taken to line movements, that corroborates any of these allegations. This is just "Blackest day in Australian sport" Mark II
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-08/overseas-odds-dropped-in-fixing-suspected-nrl-matches/7488864
OVERSEAS ones champ.
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#17
Think about it. Why do you think all the bookmakers have lobbied to the govt recently to ban Australians betting with overseas bookmakers?
First of all, why would Australians bet with an overseas bookmaker? The main reasons are punters who are essentially banned here and cant get on so they are forced to go overseas. Another reason is price. Another reason is the avenue to fix. Pinnacle dont have any obligations to the nrl, afl etc etc in terms of reporting.
I found it hilarious that the books used the reason that the punter is unprotected , ie they might not get paid etc etc. You think the tab, sportsbet etc give a fuck about the punter in this regard? Lol
No, they realise the sport they bet on can be easily rigged with fixers betting overseas.
Overseas books like pinnacle have no reporting oobligations to the sporting bodies here.
Any punter with half a brain that wants to fix would bet overseas.
First of all, why would Australians bet with an overseas bookmaker? The main reasons are punters who are essentially banned here and cant get on so they are forced to go overseas. Another reason is price. Another reason is the avenue to fix. Pinnacle dont have any obligations to the nrl, afl etc etc in terms of reporting.
I found it hilarious that the books used the reason that the punter is unprotected , ie they might not get paid etc etc. You think the tab, sportsbet etc give a fuck about the punter in this regard? Lol
No, they realise the sport they bet on can be easily rigged with fixers betting overseas.
Overseas books like pinnacle have no reporting oobligations to the sporting bodies here.
Any punter with half a brain that wants to fix would bet overseas.
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#18
"The flow of money to foreign bookies is posing a risk to the integrity of sport and siphoning revenue that would otherwise be returned to the community and racing industry, Ms Dwyer told shareholders at the $3 billion company's annual meeting on Tuesday."
- Tabcorp chairwoman Paula Dwyer
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Posted:
#19
Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-08/overseas-odds-dropped-in-fixing-suspected-nrl-matches/7488864
OVERSEAS ones champ.
The article refers to Pinnacle, which was first raised in the article I linked.
Odds moved from 1.93 to 1.74. Whoopy do. This past weekend Cronulla reached as high as 2.00 at Pinnacle, as low as 1.59 and closed at 1.65. Gold Coast Titans as high as 2.51 and as low as 2.22, Wests Tigers as high as 3.19 and as low as 2.15, Penrith as high as 3.05 and low of 2.18, North Qld 1.13 to 1.07, Broncos 1.61 to 1.47, Manly 3.10 to 2.71. These are all the Pinnacle movements for these games.
Do you know why the odds moved in South Sydneys favour in that game? It wouldn't have anything to do with Issac Luke being a late inclusion, wearing the #23 jersey?
Seriously, you are so out of your depth here
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#20
Quote Originally Posted by Hirschfelder:
The article refers to Pinnacle, which was first raised in the article I linked.
Odds moved from 1.93 to 1.74. Whoopy do. This past weekend Cronulla reached as high as 2.00 at Pinnacle, as low as 1.59 and closed at 1.65. Gold Coast Titans as high as 2.51 and as low as 2.22, Wests Tigers as high as 3.19 and as low as 2.15, Penrith as high as 3.05 and low of 2.18, North Qld 1.13 to 1.07, Broncos 1.61 to 1.47, Manly 3.10 to 2.71. These are all the Pinnacle movements for these games.
Do you know why the odds moved in South Sydneys favour in that game? It wouldn't have anything to do with Issac Luke being a late inclusion, wearing the #23 jersey?
Seriously, you are so out of your depth here
The article refers to Pinnacle, which was first raised in the article I linked.
Odds moved from 1.93 to 1.74. Whoopy do. This past weekend Cronulla reached as high as 2.00 at Pinnacle, as low as 1.59 and closed at 1.65. Gold Coast Titans as high as 2.51 and as low as 2.22, Wests Tigers as high as 3.19 and as low as 2.15, Penrith as high as 3.05 and low of 2.18, North Qld 1.13 to 1.07, Broncos 1.61 to 1.47, Manly 3.10 to 2.71. These are all the Pinnacle movements for these games.
Do you know why the odds moved in South Sydneys favour in that game? It wouldn't have anything to do with Issac Luke being a late inclusion, wearing the #23 jersey?
Seriously, you are so out of your depth here
LOL, how much money was on the other side? Do you have the sheets?
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#22
Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:
Think about it. Why do you think all the bookmakers have lobbied to the govt recently to ban Australians betting with overseas bookmakers?
First of all, why would Australians bet with an overseas bookmaker? The main reasons are punters who are essentially banned here and cant get on so they are forced to go overseas. Another reason is price. Another reason is the avenue to fix. Pinnacle dont have any obligations to the nrl, afl etc etc in terms of reporting.
I found it hilarious that the books used the reason that the punter is unprotected , ie they might not get paid etc etc. You think the tab, sportsbet etc give a darn about the punter in this regard? Lol
No, they realise the sport they bet on can be easily rigged with fixers betting overseas.
Overseas books like pinnacle have no reporting oobligations to the sporting bodies here.
Any punter with half a brain that wants to fix would bet overseas.
Think about it. Why do you think all the bookmakers have lobbied to the govt recently to ban Australians betting with overseas bookmakers?
First of all, why would Australians bet with an overseas bookmaker? The main reasons are punters who are essentially banned here and cant get on so they are forced to go overseas. Another reason is price. Another reason is the avenue to fix. Pinnacle dont have any obligations to the nrl, afl etc etc in terms of reporting.
I found it hilarious that the books used the reason that the punter is unprotected , ie they might not get paid etc etc. You think the tab, sportsbet etc give a darn about the punter in this regard? Lol
No, they realise the sport they bet on can be easily rigged with fixers betting overseas.
Overseas books like pinnacle have no reporting oobligations to the sporting bodies here.
Any punter with half a brain that wants to fix would bet overseas.
why do bookmakers want betting overseas banned? BECAUSE THEY WANT ALL THE CUSTOMERS HERE. Is it that hard to understand?
How can you rig a game when the max bet is 30k? And that is only on gameday. Right now I can only bet to win 3300 at Pinnacle. How can you fix a match doing that?
You do understand that a max bet will move the line don;t you? And there was apparently $600,00 bet on each game. So 20 max bets at Pinnacle moves the line 20c? Firstly, they would close the game after a few max bets for their own protection. Then after every max bet the odds change. If every max bet moves the line a few cents, what happens after 20?
and Pinnacle are going to sit by and let all these bets on? They don't react to a string of bets? They do it when they see a string of small bets (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/25/sports/tennis/match-fixing-australian-open-mixed-doubles-betting.html?_r=0), why not large?
Surely you're not too stupid to understand all of this
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Posted:
#24
Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:
"The flow of money to foreign bookies is posing a risk to the integrity of sport and siphoning revenue that would otherwise be returned to the community and racing industry, Ms Dwyer told shareholders at the $3 billion company's annual meeting on Tuesday."
- Tabcorp chairwoman Paula Dwyer
translation - we are losing revenue to overseas competition, please change the laws to protect us
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#25
Souths 1.53 - 1.73 - 1.68
Roosters 1.38 - 1.78 - 1.65
melbourne 1.43 - 1.75 - 1.44
newcastle 7.13 - 11.09 - 8.09
Warriors 2.46 - 2.79 - 2.52
canberra 1.43 - 1.52 - 1.46
every team in every game, whether they won or lost, saw support at some stage at Pinnacle. And all closed lower then their top price
Roosters 1.38 - 1.78 - 1.65
melbourne 1.43 - 1.75 - 1.44
newcastle 7.13 - 11.09 - 8.09
Warriors 2.46 - 2.79 - 2.52
canberra 1.43 - 1.52 - 1.46
every team in every game, whether they won or lost, saw support at some stage at Pinnacle. And all closed lower then their top price
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