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    Kansas City at New England (11/21/2011)

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    Posted: Nov. 15, 2011 - 12:58 AM ET #1

    Away:  Kansas City [5-4 ATS]
    Home:  New England [5-4 ATS]

    Game Time: 8:30 PM
    Stadium: Gillette Stadium

    Recent Meetings:
    N/A

    Team Leaders:

    Kansas City:
    Passing: Matt Cassel (1713)
    Rushing: Jackie Battle (403)
    Receiving: Dwayne Bowe (663)

    New England:
    Passing: Tom Brady (3032)
    Rushing: BenJarvus Green-Ellis (460)
    Receiving: Wes Welker (1006)

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    Away:  Kansas City [5-4 ATS]
    Home:  New England [5-4 ATS]

    Game Time: 8:30 PM
    Stadium: Gillette Stadium

    Recent Meetings:
    N/A

    Team Leaders:

    Kansas City:
    Passing: Matt Cassel (1713)
    Rushing: Jackie Battle (403)
    Receiving: Dwayne Bowe (663)

    New England:
    Passing: Tom Brady (3032)
    Rushing: BenJarvus Green-Ellis (460)
    Receiving: Wes Welker (1006)

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    Posted: Nov. 15, 2011 - 6:18 AM ET #2

    no spread yet on this game as of this post.

     

    let's see......I picked New England to cover against the Jets last week. Just look at the Ne V Jets spread.  Everyone and their mamma just naturally assumed the pats would lose 3 in a row (hasn't been done in damn near 9 years?) and would lose to dirty sanchez.  .

     

    msg from Dat Durty Devin in the 69 wit yo baby's mamma.....If u picked the Jets last week and lost shame on the bookies for tricking u.  If u bet against New England 2 weeks in a damn row....SHAME ON U for being a dumbass. Kc is a MEDIOCRE team on their good day.  I don't care about their win streak.  Wait...what's that?  Kc's Starting qb may be done for the season?!?!?!      Tyler Palko is starting for Kc?   uh, is it too late to resumbit the paperwork for the SUCK FOR LUCK Sweepstakes?!?!?  and New England is at home?  in the cold?

     

    I dont give a F****  what the spread says.  Take New England - whatever....-10 or -14.  I wouldn't touch KC with a 20 foot pole. I wouldn't be shocked if Ne is favored by -20.     and I would definately bet the over / Under.   I know New England will score. But I'm not sure about Kc.  I probably...would bet the Under if the Over/ under is around 50.  if it's 42 or 45 I would be a lil nervous.  It doesn't matter a whole lot if New england has a horribly ranked Defense. ask Jets backers last week how "horrible" new England's defense looked last week.

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    no spread yet on this game as of this post.

     

    let's see......I picked New England to cover against the Jets last week. Just look at the Ne V Jets spread.  Everyone and their mamma just naturally assumed the pats would lose 3 in a row (hasn't been done in damn near 9 years?) and would lose to dirty sanchez.  .

     

    msg from Dat Durty Devin in the 69 wit yo baby's mamma.....If u picked the Jets last week and lost shame on the bookies for tricking u.  If u bet against New England 2 weeks in a damn row....SHAME ON U for being a dumbass. Kc is a MEDIOCRE team on their good day.  I don't care about their win streak.  Wait...what's that?  Kc's Starting qb may be done for the season?!?!?!      Tyler Palko is starting for Kc?   uh, is it too late to resumbit the paperwork for the SUCK FOR LUCK Sweepstakes?!?!?  and New England is at home?  in the cold?

     

    I dont give a F****  what the spread says.  Take New England - whatever....-10 or -14.  I wouldn't touch KC with a 20 foot pole. I wouldn't be shocked if Ne is favored by -20.     and I would definately bet the over / Under.   I know New England will score. But I'm not sure about Kc.  I probably...would bet the Under if the Over/ under is around 50.  if it's 42 or 45 I would be a lil nervous.  It doesn't matter a whole lot if New england has a horribly ranked Defense. ask Jets backers last week how "horrible" new England's defense looked last week.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2011 - 5:52 PM ET #3

    Not touching this with a ten foot pole.
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    Not touching this with a ten foot pole.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2011 - 8:46 PM ET #4

     Bellichick likes to pound on wimps, run up the score at home, and finally wrap up the division. Believe me- this game will be history at halftime!

    NEW ENGLAND  - 14.5 (Prime Play!!)

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     Bellichick likes to pound on wimps, run up the score at home, and finally wrap up the division. Believe me- this game will be history at halftime!

    NEW ENGLAND  - 14.5 (Prime Play!!)

     
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    Posted: Nov. 17, 2011 - 5:13 PM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by mellowman7883:

    Not touching this with a ten foot pole.


    Mellow, Why do you say that? Who is the starting QB this week for KC? It's NOT Cassell. He's HURT!!!! They have some no name & i'm sure he's a HACK!!! Bro, take NE MINUS the points, I think it's 14 or 14 1/2  right now. Bet it now, before it goes up!!.....NE is a GUARANTEED winner, my friend!!! I just took NE -14.......BIGGGG!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mellowman7883:

    Not touching this with a ten foot pole.


    Mellow, Why do you say that? Who is the starting QB this week for KC? It's NOT Cassell. He's HURT!!!! They have some no name & i'm sure he's a HACK!!! Bro, take NE MINUS the points, I think it's 14 or 14 1/2  right now. Bet it now, before it goes up!!.....NE is a GUARANTEED winner, my friend!!! I just took NE -14.......BIGGGG!!!!
     
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    Posted: Nov. 18, 2011 - 12:06 AM ET #6

    i like kc with palko alot of new england coaches on the kc sidelines they know how to play against the pats but i wldnt bet much on this game
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    i like kc with palko alot of new england coaches on the kc sidelines they know how to play against the pats but i wldnt bet much on this game
     
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    Posted: Nov. 18, 2011 - 3:20 AM ET #7

    KC +14.5 (.5u) - Chiefs assistants Maurice Carthon, Bill Muir, Romeo Crennel, Anthony Pleasant and Otis Smith all coached/played under  Belichick. If it wasn't Palko's first start, i'd be bettin more units, but i'm still looking for KC to cover.  Score: Chiefs 18 - Patriots 30
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    KC +14.5 (.5u) - Chiefs assistants Maurice Carthon, Bill Muir, Romeo Crennel, Anthony Pleasant and Otis Smith all coached/played under  Belichick. If it wasn't Palko's first start, i'd be bettin more units, but i'm still looking for KC to cover.  Score: Chiefs 18 - Patriots 30
     
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    Posted: Nov. 18, 2011 - 9:41 AM ET #8

    Over. 
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    Over. 
     
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    Posted: Nov. 18, 2011 - 1:22 PM ET #9

    NE large, cuz i see NE head coach trying all kind of new plays on this beat up KC team, might be ugly by 2nd QT people. 41-10 final.




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    NE large, cuz i see NE head coach trying all kind of new plays on this beat up KC team, might be ugly by 2nd QT people. 41-10 final.




     
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    Posted: Nov. 18, 2011 - 2:13 PM ET #10

    Cassel out Palko in. Palko a backup since 2007, similar skill set as Cassel... Ex Pat insiders running the show at KC, but KC with 28th worse offense and 28th worse run defense. KC is going to show up for this game, and look for lots of FG's and clock eating possessions. Under.
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    Cassel out Palko in. Palko a backup since 2007, similar skill set as Cassel... Ex Pat insiders running the show at KC, but KC with 28th worse offense and 28th worse run defense. KC is going to show up for this game, and look for lots of FG's and clock eating possessions. Under.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 18, 2011 - 2:13 PM ET #11

    correction 26th run defense
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    correction 26th run defense
     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2011 - 11:34 PM ET #12

    NE always had a hard time with KC but KC has been playing like they were playing in the beginning of the year.  KC will continue the free fall.

    Im with Brady and company.  Brady will get what he wants here and KC will just sit there and take it.

    I am seeing a lot of chalk this weekend.  I don't like that...
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    NE always had a hard time with KC but KC has been playing like they were playing in the beginning of the year.  KC will continue the free fall.

    Im with Brady and company.  Brady will get what he wants here and KC will just sit there and take it.

    I am seeing a lot of chalk this weekend.  I don't like that...
     
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    Posted: Nov. 20, 2011 - 8:38 AM ET #13

    NE wins. Might be a good game to tease. NE -7, GB -7?
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    NE wins. Might be a good game to tease. NE -7, GB -7?
     
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    Posted: Nov. 20, 2011 - 11:47 AM ET #14

    KC +15 , too many points or just stay away from this one
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    KC +15 , too many points or just stay away from this one
     
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    Posted: Nov. 20, 2011 - 6:49 PM ET #15

    pats -15
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    pats -15
     
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    Posted: Nov. 20, 2011 - 9:01 PM ET #16

    can you say they want that home streak back and a blow out HAHA
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    can you say they want that home streak back and a blow out HAHA
     
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    Posted: Nov. 20, 2011 - 9:29 PM ET #17

    Uhhhh, a couple of quick questions you might want to ask yourself, before you call your bookie:

    This game started at Pats -14, now it's gone up to -16????

    SIXTEEN!?!?!

    Has any team been favored by this much against anybody this season? I know Green Bay hasn't and seems to me they're undefeated, not 6-3 with THE ABSOLUTE, BY FAR, NOT EVEN CLOSE, NO QUESTIONS ASKED WORST DEFENSE IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE!

    Also, the Over/Under at just 46.5 - - Vegas is planting a 38-3, 40-0 Patriots win scenario in your head. You're being brainwashed and you don't even know it.

    So, you're putting that much validity in the "awesomeness" of Matt Cassel that if he's out, the Chiefs are absoluteley lost and done? Who is he, Peyton Manning? You really think this team revolves 100% around Matt Friggin' Cassel??? This is an entire league of professional atheletes, and it's always "next man up" (i.e. Tebow, and also, Matt Cassel on the Pats when Brady went down a few years ago)

    I'll take the 16 points all day, any day, on any team, against anybody, in any era, with any coach (living or deceased), in any stadium (standing or demolished)

    Now, the over/under is a different story - I'll probably tease some points down, and take the over - because if you're taking the Chiefs, you're taking the over...........

    Good Luck Everybody!!!!!!!!!  

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    Uhhhh, a couple of quick questions you might want to ask yourself, before you call your bookie:

    This game started at Pats -14, now it's gone up to -16????

    SIXTEEN!?!?!

    Has any team been favored by this much against anybody this season? I know Green Bay hasn't and seems to me they're undefeated, not 6-3 with THE ABSOLUTE, BY FAR, NOT EVEN CLOSE, NO QUESTIONS ASKED WORST DEFENSE IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE!

    Also, the Over/Under at just 46.5 - - Vegas is planting a 38-3, 40-0 Patriots win scenario in your head. You're being brainwashed and you don't even know it.

    So, you're putting that much validity in the "awesomeness" of Matt Cassel that if he's out, the Chiefs are absoluteley lost and done? Who is he, Peyton Manning? You really think this team revolves 100% around Matt Friggin' Cassel??? This is an entire league of professional atheletes, and it's always "next man up" (i.e. Tebow, and also, Matt Cassel on the Pats when Brady went down a few years ago)

    I'll take the 16 points all day, any day, on any team, against anybody, in any era, with any coach (living or deceased), in any stadium (standing or demolished)

    Now, the over/under is a different story - I'll probably tease some points down, and take the over - because if you're taking the Chiefs, you're taking the over...........

    Good Luck Everybody!!!!!!!!!  

     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2011 - 1:22 AM ET #18

    Public is all over the OVER & yet line dropped to 45.5.
    Leaning under as of now.
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    Public is all over the OVER & yet line dropped to 45.5.
    Leaning under as of now.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2011 - 10:06 AM ET #19

    KC +16.5.  NE comfortable win but NE defense will give up points. 

    NE 31 - KC 20

    GLA!!

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    KC +16.5.  NE comfortable win but NE defense will give up points. 

    NE 31 - KC 20

    GLA!!

     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2011 - 10:22 AM ET #20

    tease NE with over, woot!
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    tease NE with over, woot!
     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2011 - 11:54 AM ET #21

    Over 46.5
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    Over 46.5
     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2011 - 1:25 PM ET #22

    PATS WILL WIN BY 15!!!
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    PATS WILL WIN BY 15!!!
     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2011 - 1:36 PM ET #23

    Quote Originally Posted by TheQuadYeah:

    Uhhhh, a couple of quick questions you might want to ask yourself, before you call your bookie:

    This game started at Pats -14, now it's gone up to -16????

    SIXTEEN!?!?!

    Has any team been favored by this much against anybody this season? I know Green Bay hasn't and seems to me they're undefeated, not 6-3 with THE ABSOLUTE, BY FAR, NOT EVEN CLOSE, NO QUESTIONS ASKED WORST DEFENSE IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE!

    Also, the Over/Under at just 46.5 - - Vegas is planting a 38-3, 40-0 Patriots win scenario in your head. You're being brainwashed and you don't even know it.

    So, you're putting that much validity in the "awesomeness" of Matt Cassel that if he's out, the Chiefs are absoluteley lost and done? Who is he, Peyton Manning? You really think this team revolves 100% around Matt Friggin' Cassel??? This is an entire league of professional atheletes, and it's always "next man up" (i.e. Tebow, and also, Matt Cassel on the Pats when Brady went down a few years ago)

    I'll take the 16 points all day, any day, on any team, against anybody, in any era, with any coach (living or deceased), in any stadium (standing or demolished)

    Now, the over/under is a different story - I'll probably tease some points down, and take the over - because if you're taking the Chiefs, you're taking the over...........

    Good Luck Everybody!!!!!!!!!  




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    Quote Originally Posted by TheQuadYeah:

    Uhhhh, a couple of quick questions you might want to ask yourself, before you call your bookie:

    This game started at Pats -14, now it's gone up to -16????

    SIXTEEN!?!?!

    Has any team been favored by this much against anybody this season? I know Green Bay hasn't and seems to me they're undefeated, not 6-3 with THE ABSOLUTE, BY FAR, NOT EVEN CLOSE, NO QUESTIONS ASKED WORST DEFENSE IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE!

    Also, the Over/Under at just 46.5 - - Vegas is planting a 38-3, 40-0 Patriots win scenario in your head. You're being brainwashed and you don't even know it.

    So, you're putting that much validity in the "awesomeness" of Matt Cassel that if he's out, the Chiefs are absoluteley lost and done? Who is he, Peyton Manning? You really think this team revolves 100% around Matt Friggin' Cassel??? This is an entire league of professional atheletes, and it's always "next man up" (i.e. Tebow, and also, Matt Cassel on the Pats when Brady went down a few years ago)

    I'll take the 16 points all day, any day, on any team, against anybody, in any era, with any coach (living or deceased), in any stadium (standing or demolished)

    Now, the over/under is a different story - I'll probably tease some points down, and take the over - because if you're taking the Chiefs, you're taking the over...........

    Good Luck Everybody!!!!!!!!!  




     
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    I couldn't agree more. How many times does this scenario have to play out before people figure it out? You named a few Quad, but you left out Ponder as well. This is still a PRO team, the second string QB isn't some bum, hes a PRO as well.

    Bottom line is you don't know what you're going to get out of a backup QB, but it's still a pro team. The public over-reacts to starting QBs going down, and the line is driven up. I tend to stay away from games with variables such as these that suck value out of the game, but with a gun to my head I'll take the points vs a bad defense. 

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    I couldn't agree more. How many times does this scenario have to play out before people figure it out? You named a few Quad, but you left out Ponder as well. This is still a PRO team, the second string QB isn't some bum, hes a PRO as well.

    Bottom line is you don't know what you're going to get out of a backup QB, but it's still a pro team. The public over-reacts to starting QBs going down, and the line is driven up. I tend to stay away from games with variables such as these that suck value out of the game, but with a gun to my head I'll take the points vs a bad defense. 

     
     
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