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    Chicago at Arizona (12/23/2012)

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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2012 - 1:05 AM ET #1

    Away:  Chicago [6-8 ATS]
    Home:  Arizona [6-7-1 ATS]

    Game Time: 4:25 PM
    Stadium: University of Phoenix Stadium

    Recent Meetings:
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    Team Leaders:

    Chicago:
    Passing: Jay Cutler (2630)
    Rushing: Matt Forte (903)
    Receiving: Brandon Marshall (1398)

    Arizona:
    Passing: Kevin Kolb (1169)
    Rushing: LaRod Stephens-Howling (338)
    Receiving: Andre Roberts (697)

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    Away:  Chicago [6-8 ATS]
    Home:  Arizona [6-7-1 ATS]

    Game Time: 4:25 PM
    Stadium: University of Phoenix Stadium

    Recent Meetings:
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    Team Leaders:

    Chicago:
    Passing: Jay Cutler (2630)
    Rushing: Matt Forte (903)
    Receiving: Brandon Marshall (1398)

    Arizona:
    Passing: Kevin Kolb (1169)
    Rushing: LaRod Stephens-Howling (338)
    Receiving: Andre Roberts (697)

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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2012 - 3:36 AM ET #2

    CHICAGO

    YTD: 83-60-1 (58%)

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    CHICAGO

    YTD: 83-60-1 (58%)

     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2012 - 8:36 AM ET #3

    Liking Arizona here as I think Cutler's in for a rough day..could win up a 9-6 final though
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    Liking Arizona here as I think Cutler's in for a rough day..could win up a 9-6 final though
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2012 - 9:25 AM ET #4

    How could the Bears be favored over anybody???? Hey, did you know MIKE TICE is the offensive coordinator???
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    How could the Bears be favored over anybody???? Hey, did you know MIKE TICE is the offensive coordinator???
     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2012 - 12:31 PM ET #5

    Marshall is on the verge of backsliding bears pull threw in the name of mental health
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    Marshall is on the verge of backsliding bears pull threw in the name of mental health
     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2012 - 10:53 PM ET #6

    CHICAGO - 5

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    CHICAGO - 5

     
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    Posted: Dec. 21, 2012 - 9:14 AM ET #7

    Arizona has not had back to back covers since september 9th and 16th this year that more than 3 months ago. They will not beat two divisional teams in a row and this is the game chicago needs to take and prove to critics they deserve to be in the playoffs.
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    Arizona has not had back to back covers since september 9th and 16th this year that more than 3 months ago. They will not beat two divisional teams in a row and this is the game chicago needs to take and prove to critics they deserve to be in the playoffs.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 21, 2012 - 1:21 PM ET #8

    At first glance, I really wanted to have nothing to do with this game. The Cardinals are just so abysmal on the offensive side of the ball. Its hard to back a team that has problems scoring, and I'm not crazy about the chances of them scoring on the Bears defense. To tell you the truth though, I'm not crazy about the Bears putting up points either.

    After further consideration, I am really warming up to the idea of taking Arizona or the under.  The Bears have been largely ineffective running the ball. In fact, they haven't had a 100-yd rusher since week 9 against the Titans. Not to mention their offense hasn't eclipsed 17 points in the last 3 weeks. The Bears are heavily reliant on their defense to create turnovers and give Cutler a short field because the Bears just don't have a good enough offense to sustain long drives on your average defense.  Add to the fact that the Cardinals have a solid front-7 in Darnell Docket, Calais Campbell, and Darrel Washington up the middle, and you could see the Bears once again struggling to run the ball.  Maybe they should try giving Michael Bush some more carries because Forte isn't really scaring anyone.  

    Its also no secret that the Bears' passing game is way too reliant on Brandon Marshall. In fact, in last weeks loss to Green Bay, not one other wide receiver had a reception other than Marshall. I think this plays to the Cardinals strength because they have Patrick Pederson, who is playing at a very high level, and will probably have Adrian Wilson or Kerry Rhodes over the top to pick off any errand Cutler throws.  

    I think 5.5 points is just too much given the way the Bears have been playing, and the only way the cover this is if their special teams or defensive bails them out with some scoring (which we all know is possible against Arizona).     

    My play is Arizona and would like the under a little more if it wasn't so damn low!!!

    Merry Xmas fellas!
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    At first glance, I really wanted to have nothing to do with this game. The Cardinals are just so abysmal on the offensive side of the ball. Its hard to back a team that has problems scoring, and I'm not crazy about the chances of them scoring on the Bears defense. To tell you the truth though, I'm not crazy about the Bears putting up points either.

    After further consideration, I am really warming up to the idea of taking Arizona or the under.  The Bears have been largely ineffective running the ball. In fact, they haven't had a 100-yd rusher since week 9 against the Titans. Not to mention their offense hasn't eclipsed 17 points in the last 3 weeks. The Bears are heavily reliant on their defense to create turnovers and give Cutler a short field because the Bears just don't have a good enough offense to sustain long drives on your average defense.  Add to the fact that the Cardinals have a solid front-7 in Darnell Docket, Calais Campbell, and Darrel Washington up the middle, and you could see the Bears once again struggling to run the ball.  Maybe they should try giving Michael Bush some more carries because Forte isn't really scaring anyone.  

    Its also no secret that the Bears' passing game is way too reliant on Brandon Marshall. In fact, in last weeks loss to Green Bay, not one other wide receiver had a reception other than Marshall. I think this plays to the Cardinals strength because they have Patrick Pederson, who is playing at a very high level, and will probably have Adrian Wilson or Kerry Rhodes over the top to pick off any errand Cutler throws.  

    I think 5.5 points is just too much given the way the Bears have been playing, and the only way the cover this is if their special teams or defensive bails them out with some scoring (which we all know is possible against Arizona).     

    My play is Arizona and would like the under a little more if it wasn't so damn low!!!

    Merry Xmas fellas!
     
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    Posted: Dec. 21, 2012 - 7:37 PM ET #9

    Is this a repeat of last week? Bears have pretty much the same offense as the Lions - one really good WR, sketchy "gunslinger" QB, sub-par running game, and a suspect O-Line. Throw in the "Paper Tiger" defenses both teams have, and on paper they're almost identical.

    Cards were a 5.5 home underdog last week too - hmmmm, now I forget, how'd that game end up?

    Cards +5.5 - - again

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    Is this a repeat of last week? Bears have pretty much the same offense as the Lions - one really good WR, sketchy "gunslinger" QB, sub-par running game, and a suspect O-Line. Throw in the "Paper Tiger" defenses both teams have, and on paper they're almost identical.

    Cards were a 5.5 home underdog last week too - hmmmm, now I forget, how'd that game end up?

    Cards +5.5 - - again

     
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    Posted: Dec. 22, 2012 - 12:14 AM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by TheQuadYeah:

    Is this a repeat of last week? Bears have pretty much the same offense as the Lions - one really good WR, sketchy "gunslinger" QB, sub-par running game, and a suspect O-Line. Throw in the "Paper Tiger" defenses both teams have, and on paper they're almost identical.

    Cards were a 5.5 home underdog last week too - hmmmm, now I forget, how'd that game end up?

    Cards +5.5 - - again

    Except the Bears have a better defense that can force turnovers & their 8-6 while the Lions are 4-10. Lions offense is MUCH better than the Bears!! Lions have the #2 offense & the Bears are 29th. The problem with the Lions is although they move the ball they can't score as they should because of turnovers & redzone offense. The Cards have the worst offense in the NFL & commit quite a few turnovers. I expect the Bears D to force tons of turnovers & put their offense in good field position all game long. Bears -5.5 with an easy cover!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheQuadYeah:

    Is this a repeat of last week? Bears have pretty much the same offense as the Lions - one really good WR, sketchy "gunslinger" QB, sub-par running game, and a suspect O-Line. Throw in the "Paper Tiger" defenses both teams have, and on paper they're almost identical.

    Cards were a 5.5 home underdog last week too - hmmmm, now I forget, how'd that game end up?

    Cards +5.5 - - again

    Except the Bears have a better defense that can force turnovers & their 8-6 while the Lions are 4-10. Lions offense is MUCH better than the Bears!! Lions have the #2 offense & the Bears are 29th. The problem with the Lions is although they move the ball they can't score as they should because of turnovers & redzone offense. The Cards have the worst offense in the NFL & commit quite a few turnovers. I expect the Bears D to force tons of turnovers & put their offense in good field position all game long. Bears -5.5 with an easy cover!

     
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    Posted: Dec. 22, 2012 - 8:09 PM ET #11

    Chicago - 16                                       Arizona - 14

    Cardinals +6                                   under 36.5

    Merry Christmas from a team that normally  at home coming off a su home win. Arizona pulls off a surprise ats win against a desperate Bears squad. Bears are 8-1 ats last 9 in games before playing the Lions.

    Cardinals - Under

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    Chicago - 16                                       Arizona - 14

    Cardinals +6                                   under 36.5

    Merry Christmas from a team that normally  at home coming off a su home win. Arizona pulls off a surprise ats win against a desperate Bears squad. Bears are 8-1 ats last 9 in games before playing the Lions.

    Cardinals - Under

     
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    Posted: Dec. 22, 2012 - 9:35 PM ET #12

    DA BEARS  BY 14 PTS. . . DEF.WILL SHUT DOWN THAT AWESOME OFFENSE.. HAA

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    DA BEARS  BY 14 PTS. . . DEF.WILL SHUT DOWN THAT AWESOME OFFENSE.. HAA

     
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    Posted: Dec. 22, 2012 - 11:09 PM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by Sammy_Ace:

    At first glance, I really wanted to have nothing to do with this game. The Cardinals are just so abysmal on the offensive side of the ball. Its hard to back a team that has problems scoring, and I'm not crazy about the chances of them scoring on the Bears defense. To tell you the truth though, I'm not crazy about the Bears putting up points either.

    After further consideration, I am really warming up to the idea of taking Arizona or the under.  The Bears have been largely ineffective running the ball. In fact, they haven't had a 100-yd rusher since week 9 against the Titans. Not to mention their offense hasn't eclipsed 17 points in the last 3 weeks. The Bears are heavily reliant on their defense to create turnovers and give Cutler a short field because the Bears just don't have a good enough offense to sustain long drives on your average defense.  Add to the fact that the Cardinals have a solid front-7 in Darnell Docket, Calais Campbell, and Darrel Washington up the middle, and you could see the Bears once again struggling to run the ball.  Maybe they should try giving Michael Bush some more carries because Forte isn't really scaring anyone.  

    Its also no secret that the Bears' passing game is way too reliant on Brandon Marshall. In fact, in last weeks loss to Green Bay, not one other wide receiver had a reception other than Marshall. I think this plays to the Cardinals strength because they have Patrick Pederson, who is playing at a very high level, and will probably have Adrian Wilson or Kerry Rhodes over the top to pick off any errand Cutler throws.  

    I think 5.5 points is just too much given the way the Bears have been playing, and the only way the cover this is if their special teams or defensive bails them out with some scoring (which we all know is possible against Arizona).     

    My play is Arizona and would like the under a little more if it wasn't so damn low!!!

    Merry Xmas fellas!

    Nice write up as usual Sammy........

    I agree, I think the emotional outpore by Marshall during the press conference after Cutler and the Bears meltown last week will be more of a distraction rather than motivation. I can't put any stock into Chicago for the rest of the season.

    GL!

     HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO YOU AS WELL !!!!!! 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sammy_Ace:

    At first glance, I really wanted to have nothing to do with this game. The Cardinals are just so abysmal on the offensive side of the ball. Its hard to back a team that has problems scoring, and I'm not crazy about the chances of them scoring on the Bears defense. To tell you the truth though, I'm not crazy about the Bears putting up points either.

    After further consideration, I am really warming up to the idea of taking Arizona or the under.  The Bears have been largely ineffective running the ball. In fact, they haven't had a 100-yd rusher since week 9 against the Titans. Not to mention their offense hasn't eclipsed 17 points in the last 3 weeks. The Bears are heavily reliant on their defense to create turnovers and give Cutler a short field because the Bears just don't have a good enough offense to sustain long drives on your average defense.  Add to the fact that the Cardinals have a solid front-7 in Darnell Docket, Calais Campbell, and Darrel Washington up the middle, and you could see the Bears once again struggling to run the ball.  Maybe they should try giving Michael Bush some more carries because Forte isn't really scaring anyone.  

    Its also no secret that the Bears' passing game is way too reliant on Brandon Marshall. In fact, in last weeks loss to Green Bay, not one other wide receiver had a reception other than Marshall. I think this plays to the Cardinals strength because they have Patrick Pederson, who is playing at a very high level, and will probably have Adrian Wilson or Kerry Rhodes over the top to pick off any errand Cutler throws.  

    I think 5.5 points is just too much given the way the Bears have been playing, and the only way the cover this is if their special teams or defensive bails them out with some scoring (which we all know is possible against Arizona).     

    My play is Arizona and would like the under a little more if it wasn't so damn low!!!

    Merry Xmas fellas!

    Nice write up as usual Sammy........

    I agree, I think the emotional outpore by Marshall during the press conference after Cutler and the Bears meltown last week will be more of a distraction rather than motivation. I can't put any stock into Chicago for the rest of the season.

    GL!

     HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO YOU AS WELL !!!!!! 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2012 - 2:00 AM ET #14

    Arizona is Sooooo bad.I gotta disagree with Sammy this time.I always listen to and appreciate his input.

    Merry Christmas to all here at Covers.


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    Arizona is Sooooo bad.I gotta disagree with Sammy this time.I always listen to and appreciate his input.

    Merry Christmas to all here at Covers.


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by mak104:

    Arizona is Sooooo bad.I gotta disagree with Sammy this time.I always listen to and appreciate his input.

    Merry Christmas to all here at Covers.


    I think the way Chicago is playing right now is Sooooo bad. How can they look much worse?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mak104:

    Arizona is Sooooo bad.I gotta disagree with Sammy this time.I always listen to and appreciate his input.

    Merry Christmas to all here at Covers.


    I think the way Chicago is playing right now is Sooooo bad. How can they look much worse?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2012 - 4:19 AM ET #16

    Arizona doesn't score many points on offense.

    Good thing interception Jay, shows up to play for The Cardinals.

    Arizona's defense may even take back a pick six, and allow the offense to be in postion for field goals.

    They don't call it gambling for nothing, Cardinals ML 5 uits. Besides Vue is on The Bears.

    Bears 10 Cardinals 13

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    Arizona doesn't score many points on offense.

    Good thing interception Jay, shows up to play for The Cardinals.

    Arizona's defense may even take back a pick six, and allow the offense to be in postion for field goals.

    They don't call it gambling for nothing, Cardinals ML 5 uits. Besides Vue is on The Bears.

    Bears 10 Cardinals 13

     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2012 - 12:38 PM ET #17

     i live in a suburb of chicago and there are 2 teams i cant stand  the bust out cubs and the shitty bears  hope they get clobbered by the pathetic cardinals today   go arizona 

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     i live in a suburb of chicago and there are 2 teams i cant stand  the bust out cubs and the shitty bears  hope they get clobbered by the pathetic cardinals today   go arizona 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2012 - 12:59 PM ET #18

    Chi medium
    If you’re not large, you’re small - the DOC
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    Chi medium
     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2012 - 1:21 PM ET #19

    I'll take the 7 and hope for a cover,  Bears probably take care of business but how can u lay 7 points? 

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    I'll take the 7 and hope for a cover,  Bears probably take care of business but how can u lay 7 points? 

    BOL 
     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2012 - 2:48 PM ET #20

    One would guestimate from the records of both clubs top-5 defenses coupled with worst, last-5 offenses that this match is a dead-under.

    Spoiling the general publics' aforementioned logic, wagers, along with many a multi-team parlay, the Special Teams with take-aways for field goals and a couple pick-sixes will be the excuses used to explain this game just going Over the posted total's hook.

    The TV market in Chicago for next week adds more total cash, interest and publicity when the Bears win this one, so they'll squeak by; however in Week 16 they can't beat anybody by more than 7, so I cannot see them winning by the 7.5 point spread this game's climbed up to.  Thus, if I bet on anything these two 'Week-4 Bowl teams," I'd have to go with Chgo S.U. and Over. 

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    One would guestimate from the records of both clubs top-5 defenses coupled with worst, last-5 offenses that this match is a dead-under.

    Spoiling the general publics' aforementioned logic, wagers, along with many a multi-team parlay, the Special Teams with take-aways for field goals and a couple pick-sixes will be the excuses used to explain this game just going Over the posted total's hook.

    The TV market in Chicago for next week adds more total cash, interest and publicity when the Bears win this one, so they'll squeak by; however in Week 16 they can't beat anybody by more than 7, so I cannot see them winning by the 7.5 point spread this game's climbed up to.  Thus, if I bet on anything these two 'Week-4 Bowl teams," I'd have to go with Chgo S.U. and Over. 

    BOL 





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