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    Posted: Aug. 9, 2015 - 2:25 AM ET #51

    From Bill a different outlook:

    Maher told his guests, who included Republican strategists Mary Matalin and Steve Schmidt — neither of whom gave full-throated support to the real-estate mogul — that Trump shouldn’t be underestimated, and compared the current front-runner with Ronald Reagan circa 1968. When Reagan first floated the bubble of running, “it was a joke, like c’mon, he has a stupid television show, he’s divorced, he avoided combat, he’s got weird hair and crazy face paint. So for all those people who say Donald Trump could not go all the way, I don’t think they’re right.”
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    From Bill a different outlook:

    Maher told his guests, who included Republican strategists Mary Matalin and Steve Schmidt — neither of whom gave full-throated support to the real-estate mogul — that Trump shouldn’t be underestimated, and compared the current front-runner with Ronald Reagan circa 1968. When Reagan first floated the bubble of running, “it was a joke, like c’mon, he has a stupid television show, he’s divorced, he avoided combat, he’s got weird hair and crazy face paint. So for all those people who say Donald Trump could not go all the way, I don’t think they’re right.”
     
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    Posted: Aug. 9, 2015 - 11:04 AM ET #52

    Hey, Sara has Snitch in his avatar, so why not call him what he posts ?
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    Hey, Sara has Snitch in his avatar, so why not call him what he posts ?
     
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    Posted: Aug. 9, 2015 - 1:01 PM ET #53

    Quote Originally Posted by don juan:

    Hey, Sara has Snitch in his avatar, so why not call him what he posts ?

    SarasotaSlim has a pic of a movie promo called Snitch...and for a reason Don Fredo..

    Plot Summary

     
    At 18 years old, Jason receives a mandatory 10-year prison sentence after being caught with a package that contained illegal drugs, although he was unaware of its contents. His father, businessman John Matthews (Dwayne Johnson), is devastated. When Jason turns down a chance to lessen his sentence by manufacturing evidence to implicate someone else, John begs to be sent under cover instead, but the already dangerous venture turns deadly after he exposes a major player in the Mexican drug trade.

    Businessman helps out America in exposing major players who are hurting this country ...something like Donald Trump..

    ....................

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    Quote Originally Posted by don juan:

    Hey, Sara has Snitch in his avatar, so why not call him what he posts ?

    SarasotaSlim has a pic of a movie promo called Snitch...and for a reason Don Fredo..

    Plot Summary

     
    At 18 years old, Jason receives a mandatory 10-year prison sentence after being caught with a package that contained illegal drugs, although he was unaware of its contents. His father, businessman John Matthews (Dwayne Johnson), is devastated. When Jason turns down a chance to lessen his sentence by manufacturing evidence to implicate someone else, John begs to be sent under cover instead, but the already dangerous venture turns deadly after he exposes a major player in the Mexican drug trade.

    Businessman helps out America in exposing major players who are hurting this country ...something like Donald Trump..

    ....................

     
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    Posted: Aug. 9, 2015 - 6:20 PM ET #54

    Quote Originally Posted by donjuan:

    Hey, Sara has Snitch in his avatar, so why not call him what he posts ?


    Sorry, I can't see his avatar on the mobile app.

    The two of you can carry on like peas in a pod. It nice that it's legal now
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    Quote Originally Posted by donjuan:

    Hey, Sara has Snitch in his avatar, so why not call him what he posts ?


    Sorry, I can't see his avatar on the mobile app.

    The two of you can carry on like peas in a pod. It nice that it's legal now
     
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    Posted: Aug. 9, 2015 - 6:33 PM ET #55

    Quote Originally Posted by dl36:



    The two of you can carry on like peas in a pod. It nice that it's legal now


    What exactly is that comment suppose to imply ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dl36:



    The two of you can carry on like peas in a pod. It nice that it's legal now


    What exactly is that comment suppose to imply ?
     
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    Posted: Aug. 9, 2015 - 8:57 PM ET #56

    Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1:

    So he should have done this against the will of the american people? One thing for certain he's just trying to clean up after what will end up being the worst foreign policy decision this country has ever made

    NO, the worse foreign policy decision this country has ever made is Obama's Iranian nuke deal..it's divided the US from Israel it's divided Americans and it is now dividing Democrats in his own party in Congress..it's Obama's legacy bookend to go along with his worst domestic deal Obamacare..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1:

    So he should have done this against the will of the american people? One thing for certain he's just trying to clean up after what will end up being the worst foreign policy decision this country has ever made

    NO, the worse foreign policy decision this country has ever made is Obama's Iranian nuke deal..it's divided the US from Israel it's divided Americans and it is now dividing Democrats in his own party in Congress..it's Obama's legacy bookend to go along with his worst domestic deal Obamacare..

     
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    Posted: Aug. 9, 2015 - 10:34 PM ET #57

    [Quote: Originally Posted bySarasotaSlim]
    Quote Originally Posted by dl36:

    The two of you can carry on like peas in a pod. It nice that it's legal now
    What exactly is that comment suppose to imply ?


    Just making an observation. Carry on trying to spin the topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dl36:

    The two of you can carry on like peas in a pod. It nice that it's legal now
    What exactly is that comment suppose to imply ?


    Just making an observation. Carry on trying to spin the topic.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 9, 2015 - 11:32 PM ET #58

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Don't be surprised if Megyn Kelly turns out to be the biggest loser in the debate ..I hear she's getting just hammered on Facebook the co-host of the debate .

    Turns out she's another Candy Crowley with a better face..

    Looking back at the debate, whats with the questions regarding what Trump says about women or if he would pledge not to run independent. I believe that since Trump is not part of the "club" those questions were meant to damage him.

    I'll assume that CNN will hold the Democratic debate which I'm pretty certain that this question will never be asked. Secretary Clinton, since your husband was a proven serial philanderer and you didn't have the strength to leave him and show some self-respect, how can Americans believe you strong enough to lead the country?

    That question is as relevant as the "women" question to Trump. Rosie O'donnell is a pig, she has made her positions known on politics, she's fair game (that's a funny). 

    Neither question to Trump has anything to do with a presidential debate and imo was intended to damage him, especially the "women" question. Its up there with "When did you stop beating your wife?"

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Don't be surprised if Megyn Kelly turns out to be the biggest loser in the debate ..I hear she's getting just hammered on Facebook the co-host of the debate .

    Turns out she's another Candy Crowley with a better face..

    Looking back at the debate, whats with the questions regarding what Trump says about women or if he would pledge not to run independent. I believe that since Trump is not part of the "club" those questions were meant to damage him.

    I'll assume that CNN will hold the Democratic debate which I'm pretty certain that this question will never be asked. Secretary Clinton, since your husband was a proven serial philanderer and you didn't have the strength to leave him and show some self-respect, how can Americans believe you strong enough to lead the country?

    That question is as relevant as the "women" question to Trump. Rosie O'donnell is a pig, she has made her positions known on politics, she's fair game (that's a funny). 

    Neither question to Trump has anything to do with a presidential debate and imo was intended to damage him, especially the "women" question. Its up there with "When did you stop beating your wife?"

     
     
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    Posted: Aug. 10, 2015 - 12:09 AM ET #59

    The Democrat debate schedule has been announced:

    A total of six debates are scheduled:

     Oct. 13 in Nevada (hosted by CNN);

     Nov. 14 in Des Moines, Iowa (CBS/KCCI and The Des Moines Register);

    Dec. 19 in Manchester, New Hampshire (ABC/WMUR);

    Jan. 17 in Charleston, South Carolina (NBC/Congressional Black Caucus Institute); and two scheduled for either February or March in Miami, Florida, and Wisconsin, hosted by Univision/The Washington Post and PBS, respectively.

     The DNC said it would release additional details about debate dates, locations and partnerships soon and that the only candidate that will be participating is Hillary Rodham Clinton.aka Mrs.William Jefferson Clinton...

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    The Democrat debate schedule has been announced:

    A total of six debates are scheduled:

     Oct. 13 in Nevada (hosted by CNN);

     Nov. 14 in Des Moines, Iowa (CBS/KCCI and The Des Moines Register);

    Dec. 19 in Manchester, New Hampshire (ABC/WMUR);

    Jan. 17 in Charleston, South Carolina (NBC/Congressional Black Caucus Institute); and two scheduled for either February or March in Miami, Florida, and Wisconsin, hosted by Univision/The Washington Post and PBS, respectively.

     The DNC said it would release additional details about debate dates, locations and partnerships soon and that the only candidate that will be participating is Hillary Rodham Clinton.aka Mrs.William Jefferson Clinton...

     
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    Posted: Aug. 10, 2015 - 12:20 AM ET #60

    Quote Originally Posted by dl36:

    What exactly is that comment suppose to imply ?

    Just making an observation. Carry on trying to spin the topic.

    'nice that it's legal now'  ...what's nice that it's legal? 

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    Quote Originally Posted by dl36:

    What exactly is that comment suppose to imply ?

    Just making an observation. Carry on trying to spin the topic.

    'nice that it's legal now'  ...what's nice that it's legal? 

     
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    Posted: Aug. 10, 2015 - 3:32 AM ET #61

    Your misquoting now lol
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    Your misquoting now lol
     
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2015 - 5:07 PM ET #62

    In talking to a few Republican strategists, there really was a general consensus. 

    Most are clear that Trump was Trump. Big on rhetoric, non-existent on policy, but with enough sweeping euphoric statements that resonate with an angry Republican electorate. 

    Carly Fiorini surprised a lot of people and is likely the smartest of the lot, which means most Republicans won't understand what she says.  I will be watching her and imagine she would have some economic role in a Repub administration. 

    Rubio came across cool, confident, and collected, perhaps a candidate saving performance. 

    Most say Bush was the big loser. Seemed lost to me, lacking the ability to grab the attention of the voters. 

    It looks like Carson has been the recipient of a nice post-debate bounce. He will have to later answer for some very radical views. 

    Looking forward to the one in September. 
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    In talking to a few Republican strategists, there really was a general consensus. 

    Most are clear that Trump was Trump. Big on rhetoric, non-existent on policy, but with enough sweeping euphoric statements that resonate with an angry Republican electorate. 

    Carly Fiorini surprised a lot of people and is likely the smartest of the lot, which means most Republicans won't understand what she says.  I will be watching her and imagine she would have some economic role in a Repub administration. 

    Rubio came across cool, confident, and collected, perhaps a candidate saving performance. 

    Most say Bush was the big loser. Seemed lost to me, lacking the ability to grab the attention of the voters. 

    It looks like Carson has been the recipient of a nice post-debate bounce. He will have to later answer for some very radical views. 

    Looking forward to the one in September. 
     
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    Posted: Aug. 12, 2015 - 12:38 AM ET #63

    I think trump is an opportunist and he is channeling the out of control emotions of the angry republican electorate to his advantage.

    I liked how Carson came across altho I didn't like how he talked about a flat tax with the tithing reference. Pushing the theocratic agenda of merging church state in an economic question was a poor choice of strategy IMHO.

    I thought rand came across weird trying to bring up guns to try to get applause. That talking point and trying to round up libertarians to win against Obama is an old and failed strategy.

    I didn't like how Rubio didn't stand firm on exceptions about abortion. As some one who is against abortion it was not about his stance but it was how he would fold under pressure when all he really needed to say was maybe it should be a state rights issue or that he did not believe in exceptions but was not sure he should make the decision for America, but rather put the decision into the people. Anything other than appearing weak in a failed attempt to look strong.

    I'm trying to figure out why people thought BuSh was the BIggest Loser. Can you explain that?
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    I think trump is an opportunist and he is channeling the out of control emotions of the angry republican electorate to his advantage.

    I liked how Carson came across altho I didn't like how he talked about a flat tax with the tithing reference. Pushing the theocratic agenda of merging church state in an economic question was a poor choice of strategy IMHO.

    I thought rand came across weird trying to bring up guns to try to get applause. That talking point and trying to round up libertarians to win against Obama is an old and failed strategy.

    I didn't like how Rubio didn't stand firm on exceptions about abortion. As some one who is against abortion it was not about his stance but it was how he would fold under pressure when all he really needed to say was maybe it should be a state rights issue or that he did not believe in exceptions but was not sure he should make the decision for America, but rather put the decision into the people. Anything other than appearing weak in a failed attempt to look strong.

    I'm trying to figure out why people thought BuSh was the BIggest Loser. Can you explain that?
     
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    Posted: Aug. 12, 2015 - 1:33 AM ET #64

    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    In talking to a few Republican strategists, there really was a general consensus. 

    Most are clear that Trump was Trump. Big on rhetoric, non-existent on policy, but with enough sweeping euphoric statements that resonate with an angry Republican electorate. 

    Carly Fiorini surprised a lot of people and is likely the smartest of the lot, which means most Republicans won't understand what she says.  I will be watching her and imagine she would have some economic role in a Repub administration. 

    Rubio came across cool, confident, and collected, perhaps a candidate saving performance. 

    Most say Bush was the big loser. Seemed lost to me, lacking the ability to grab the attention of the voters. 

    It looks like Carson has been the recipient of a nice post-debate bounce. He will have to later answer for some very radical views. 

    Looking forward to the one in September. 

    Fair analysis ,but you skipped every liberals Republican and the hypocrisy of Rand Paul... the Libertarian wings attack dog. During the debate, Paul started the showdown at the outset of the debate ...  Rand Paul accused Trump of "hedging his bets," on a third-party run ..

    In the Bluegrass state there's a law on the books which states that you can only appear on the ballot once for any given election. It was designed to stop people from doing precisely what Rand is trying to do ..  hedge his bets … and run for two offices at once. Senator and President..

    ..and on Monday, Paul released a three-page statement blasting Trump as a “fake conservative.”....lol ..a libertarian calling someone  a 'fake conservative '..that's a hoot .

    In fact, he should call his dad Ron one too..because as in 2008, and 2012  Ron Paul ultimately refused to endorse the ticket selected by the Republican Party. He said that there was no essential difference between Romney and his Democratic opponent, President Obama...

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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    In talking to a few Republican strategists, there really was a general consensus. 

    Most are clear that Trump was Trump. Big on rhetoric, non-existent on policy, but with enough sweeping euphoric statements that resonate with an angry Republican electorate. 

    Carly Fiorini surprised a lot of people and is likely the smartest of the lot, which means most Republicans won't understand what she says.  I will be watching her and imagine she would have some economic role in a Repub administration. 

    Rubio came across cool, confident, and collected, perhaps a candidate saving performance. 

    Most say Bush was the big loser. Seemed lost to me, lacking the ability to grab the attention of the voters. 

    It looks like Carson has been the recipient of a nice post-debate bounce. He will have to later answer for some very radical views. 

    Looking forward to the one in September. 

    Fair analysis ,but you skipped every liberals Republican and the hypocrisy of Rand Paul... the Libertarian wings attack dog. During the debate, Paul started the showdown at the outset of the debate ...  Rand Paul accused Trump of "hedging his bets," on a third-party run ..

    In the Bluegrass state there's a law on the books which states that you can only appear on the ballot once for any given election. It was designed to stop people from doing precisely what Rand is trying to do ..  hedge his bets … and run for two offices at once. Senator and President..

    ..and on Monday, Paul released a three-page statement blasting Trump as a “fake conservative.”....lol ..a libertarian calling someone  a 'fake conservative '..that's a hoot .

    In fact, he should call his dad Ron one too..because as in 2008, and 2012  Ron Paul ultimately refused to endorse the ticket selected by the Republican Party. He said that there was no essential difference between Romney and his Democratic opponent, President Obama...

     
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    Wow you're all over the place looks like you don't know unless from down anymore
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    Wow you're all over the place looks like you don't know unless from down anymore
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:


    Looking back at the debate, whats with the questions regarding what Trump says about women or if he would pledge not to run independent. I believe that since Trump is not part of the "club" those questions were meant to damage him.

    I'll assume that CNN will hold the Democratic debate which I'm pretty certain that this question will never be asked. Secretary Clinton, since your husband was a proven serial philanderer and you didn't have the strength to leave him and show some self-respect, how can Americans believe you strong enough to lead the country?

    That question is as relevant as the "women" question to Trump. Rosie O'donnell is a pig, she has made her positions known on politics, she's fair game (that's a funny). 

    Neither question to Trump has anything to do with a presidential debate and imo was intended to damage him, especially the "women" question. Its up there with "When did you stop beating your wife?"

     

    I can see how you see it that way but I disagree.

    I was surprised to see those questions too but once I saw them go after others I backed off. They asked tough questions to everyone on the stage. Those just happened to be Trumps worst possible questions. 

    Trump has been a regular contributer on Fox for a couple of years now. Trump said on his interview with Hannity that he was displeased enough to call Roger and complain and the two sorted it out.

    My guess is that Fox had to show that they are still more journalist's than most, but they did ask tough questions to all the candidates.

    They have more integrity than Jim Grey asking Tom Brady if he knew anything about deflated balls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:


    Looking back at the debate, whats with the questions regarding what Trump says about women or if he would pledge not to run independent. I believe that since Trump is not part of the "club" those questions were meant to damage him.

    I'll assume that CNN will hold the Democratic debate which I'm pretty certain that this question will never be asked. Secretary Clinton, since your husband was a proven serial philanderer and you didn't have the strength to leave him and show some self-respect, how can Americans believe you strong enough to lead the country?

    That question is as relevant as the "women" question to Trump. Rosie O'donnell is a pig, she has made her positions known on politics, she's fair game (that's a funny). 

    Neither question to Trump has anything to do with a presidential debate and imo was intended to damage him, especially the "women" question. Its up there with "When did you stop beating your wife?"

     

    I can see how you see it that way but I disagree.

    I was surprised to see those questions too but once I saw them go after others I backed off. They asked tough questions to everyone on the stage. Those just happened to be Trumps worst possible questions. 

    Trump has been a regular contributer on Fox for a couple of years now. Trump said on his interview with Hannity that he was displeased enough to call Roger and complain and the two sorted it out.

    My guess is that Fox had to show that they are still more journalist's than most, but they did ask tough questions to all the candidates.

    They have more integrity than Jim Grey asking Tom Brady if he knew anything about deflated balls.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    In talking to a few Republican strategists, there really was a general consensus. Most are clear that Trump was Trump. Big on rhetoric, non-existent on policy, but with enough sweeping euphoric statements that resonate with an angry Republican electorate. Carly Fiorini surprised a lot of people and is likely the smartest of the lot, which means most Republicans won't understand what she says.  I will be watching her and imagine she would have some economic role in a Repub administration. Rubio came across cool, confident, and collected, perhaps a candidate saving performance. Most say Bush was the big loser. Seemed lost to me, lacking the ability to grab the attention of the voters. It looks like Carson has been the recipient of a nice post-debate bounce. He will have to later answer for some very radical views. Looking forward to the one in September.


    I'm not letting you off the hook here.

    I want to know specifically why BuSh was the Biggest GOP loser?

    Also what did you think about Paul?
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    In talking to a few Republican strategists, there really was a general consensus. Most are clear that Trump was Trump. Big on rhetoric, non-existent on policy, but with enough sweeping euphoric statements that resonate with an angry Republican electorate. Carly Fiorini surprised a lot of people and is likely the smartest of the lot, which means most Republicans won't understand what she says.  I will be watching her and imagine she would have some economic role in a Repub administration. Rubio came across cool, confident, and collected, perhaps a candidate saving performance. Most say Bush was the big loser. Seemed lost to me, lacking the ability to grab the attention of the voters. It looks like Carson has been the recipient of a nice post-debate bounce. He will have to later answer for some very radical views. Looking forward to the one in September.


    I'm not letting you off the hook here.

    I want to know specifically why BuSh was the Biggest GOP loser?

    Also what did you think about Paul?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by dl36:



    I'm not letting you off the hook here.

    I want to know specifically why BuSh was the Biggest GOP loser?

    Also what did you think about Paul?

    Was I on the hook? 

    Bush needed to grab attention on a stagnating campaign. He failed to do so. When you are the perceived front runner and favorite, you have less room for weak performances. 
     
    I agree with SS on Paul. He has previously set himself apart as a different Republican. He didn't seem so different to me. 

    I forgot to mention Kasich. He is really intriguing. Seems reasonable and moderate. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by dl36:



    I'm not letting you off the hook here.

    I want to know specifically why BuSh was the Biggest GOP loser?

    Also what did you think about Paul?

    Was I on the hook? 

    Bush needed to grab attention on a stagnating campaign. He failed to do so. When you are the perceived front runner and favorite, you have less room for weak performances. 
     
    I agree with SS on Paul. He has previously set himself apart as a different Republican. He didn't seem so different to me. 

    I forgot to mention Kasich. He is really intriguing. Seems reasonable and moderate. 
     
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    Look at the bright side..at least you we're not accused of having a meltdown  ..being on the hook is always better than meltdown isn't it ? ....Kasich the Ohios' Republican rebel does sound more like a viable candidate ..and he is also gaining traction in some states....
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    Look at the bright side..at least you we're not accused of having a meltdown  ..being on the hook is always better than meltdown isn't it ? ....Kasich the Ohios' Republican rebel does sound more like a viable candidate ..and he is also gaining traction in some states....
     
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    Brows,...

     Kasich is trying to trick the people. He will line up with Wall Street, just like all the other on that stage.

    One is either for the middle class... or not.  
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    Brows,...

     Kasich is trying to trick the people. He will line up with Wall Street, just like all the other on that stage.

    One is either for the middle class... or not.  
     
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    If anything, Trump proves that you don't have to be an extreme right to win the support from the base(his misguided comments certainly helps). He is the definition of a RINO, but as long as he's the front-runner, the radical right will be behind him, all their principles out of the door. When he no longer leads, then he could be thrown under the bus like the rest of them.

    Kasich is getting traction....
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    If anything, Trump proves that you don't have to be an extreme right to win the support from the base(his misguided comments certainly helps). He is the definition of a RINO, but as long as he's the front-runner, the radical right will be behind him, all their principles out of the door. When he no longer leads, then he could be thrown under the bus like the rest of them.

    Kasich is getting traction....
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by don juan:

    Brows,...

     Kasich is trying to trick the people. He will line up with Wall Street, just like all the other on that stage.

    One is either for the middle class... or not.  
    l

    Well, same could said for all of them except maybe Sanders who, I agree, is for the middle class. Under Sanders, all that will exist is a middle class....
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    Quote Originally Posted by don juan:

    Brows,...

     Kasich is trying to trick the people. He will line up with Wall Street, just like all the other on that stage.

    One is either for the middle class... or not.  
    l

    Well, same could said for all of them except maybe Sanders who, I agree, is for the middle class. Under Sanders, all that will exist is a middle class....
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by bunny651:

    If anything, Trump proves that you don't have to be an extreme right to win the support from the base(his misguided comments certainly helps). He is the definition of a RINO, but as long as he's the front-runner, the radical right will be behind him, all their principles out of the door. When he no longer leads, then he could be thrown under the bus like the rest of them.

    Kasich is getting traction....


    There are many experts and pollsters who believe that the general election will come down to about seven swing states. For the Republicans to win, they almost have to have the electoral votes from Florida ( 29 ) and Ohio ( 18 ), and then cobble together enough electoral votes from a combination of PA ( 20 ), NC ( 15 ), VA ( 13 ), WI (10 ), and CO ( 9 ). To me, the demographics suggest they ought to get behind Kasich ( Ohio ) and Rubio ( Florida ). Kasich and Rubio were both solid in the first debate and Rubio would go a long way in bringing not only Florida, but the Latin vote as well.

    I don't see Donald Trump being there at the end, but he has done a good job creating early interest in the depth of the talent and diversity in the Republican field.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bunny651:

    If anything, Trump proves that you don't have to be an extreme right to win the support from the base(his misguided comments certainly helps). He is the definition of a RINO, but as long as he's the front-runner, the radical right will be behind him, all their principles out of the door. When he no longer leads, then he could be thrown under the bus like the rest of them.

    Kasich is getting traction....


    There are many experts and pollsters who believe that the general election will come down to about seven swing states. For the Republicans to win, they almost have to have the electoral votes from Florida ( 29 ) and Ohio ( 18 ), and then cobble together enough electoral votes from a combination of PA ( 20 ), NC ( 15 ), VA ( 13 ), WI (10 ), and CO ( 9 ). To me, the demographics suggest they ought to get behind Kasich ( Ohio ) and Rubio ( Florida ). Kasich and Rubio were both solid in the first debate and Rubio would go a long way in bringing not only Florida, but the Latin vote as well.

    I don't see Donald Trump being there at the end, but he has done a good job creating early interest in the depth of the talent and diversity in the Republican field.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    In talking to a few Republican strategists, there really was a general consensus. 

    Most are clear that Trump was Trump. Big on rhetoric, non-existent on policy, but with enough sweeping euphoric statements that resonate with an angry Republican electorate. 

    Carly Fiorini surprised a lot of people and is likely the smartest of the lot, which means most Republicans won't understand what she says.  I will be watching her and imagine she would have some economic role in a Repub administration. 

    Rubio came across cool, confident, and collected, perhaps a candidate saving performance. 

    Most say Bush was the big loser. Seemed lost to me, lacking the ability to grab the attention of the voters. 

    It looks like Carson has been the recipient of a nice post-debate bounce. He will have to later answer for some very radical views. 

    Looking forward to the one in September. 

    Fiorini nearly destroyed HP while in charge, but did manage to pocket almost $100 million so she isn't stupid when it comes to her own interests.   

    I would bet that Kasich wouldn't win his own state if he got the nomination.  The only reason he got a 2nd term is because the Democratic candidate (Fitzgerald) had a trainwreck campaign and some dumb scandals.   At some points, Kasich's approval rating was below 30%
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    In talking to a few Republican strategists, there really was a general consensus. 

    Most are clear that Trump was Trump. Big on rhetoric, non-existent on policy, but with enough sweeping euphoric statements that resonate with an angry Republican electorate. 

    Carly Fiorini surprised a lot of people and is likely the smartest of the lot, which means most Republicans won't understand what she says.  I will be watching her and imagine she would have some economic role in a Repub administration. 

    Rubio came across cool, confident, and collected, perhaps a candidate saving performance. 

    Most say Bush was the big loser. Seemed lost to me, lacking the ability to grab the attention of the voters. 

    It looks like Carson has been the recipient of a nice post-debate bounce. He will have to later answer for some very radical views. 

    Looking forward to the one in September. 

    Fiorini nearly destroyed HP while in charge, but did manage to pocket almost $100 million so she isn't stupid when it comes to her own interests.   

    I would bet that Kasich wouldn't win his own state if he got the nomination.  The only reason he got a 2nd term is because the Democratic candidate (Fitzgerald) had a trainwreck campaign and some dumb scandals.   At some points, Kasich's approval rating was below 30%
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1129ken:



    There are many experts and pollsters who believe that the general election will come down to about seven swing states. For the Republicans to win, they almost have to have the electoral votes from Florida ( 29 ) and Ohio ( 18 ), and then cobble together enough electoral votes from a combination of PA ( 20 ), NC ( 15 ), VA ( 13 ), WI (10 ), and CO ( 9 ). To me, the demographics suggest they ought to get behind Kasich ( Ohio ) and Rubio ( Florida ). Kasich and Rubio were both solid in the first debate and Rubio would go a long way in bringing not only Florida, but the Latin vote as well.

    I don't see Donald Trump being there at the end, but he has done a good job creating early interest in the depth of the talent and diversity in the Republican field.

    I don't see him at the end, either. As far the interest goes, it really is a double-edged sword. Instead of blaming the media and everyone, why can't the Party take a hard look at the mirror? They have to wonder why the Party got the perception against women and minorities? It is everyone else' fault, of course.

    I like Kasich the best so far.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 1129ken:



    There are many experts and pollsters who believe that the general election will come down to about seven swing states. For the Republicans to win, they almost have to have the electoral votes from Florida ( 29 ) and Ohio ( 18 ), and then cobble together enough electoral votes from a combination of PA ( 20 ), NC ( 15 ), VA ( 13 ), WI (10 ), and CO ( 9 ). To me, the demographics suggest they ought to get behind Kasich ( Ohio ) and Rubio ( Florida ). Kasich and Rubio were both solid in the first debate and Rubio would go a long way in bringing not only Florida, but the Latin vote as well.

    I don't see Donald Trump being there at the end, but he has done a good job creating early interest in the depth of the talent and diversity in the Republican field.

    I don't see him at the end, either. As far the interest goes, it really is a double-edged sword. Instead of blaming the media and everyone, why can't the Party take a hard look at the mirror? They have to wonder why the Party got the perception against women and minorities? It is everyone else' fault, of course.

    I like Kasich the best so far.


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