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    trump signs executive order.

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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2017 - 11:45 AM ET #1

    Trump did not read it apparent as his speech first evolved to Pakistan cooperation in the Afghanistan theater.... what does that have anything to do with multi companies markets... his voice sounds like fingure nails on a chaulk board after that so i turned the set off and unplugged it.....  well he aint killary pizza gate and the wieners of the world....

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    Trump did not read it apparent as his speech first evolved to Pakistan cooperation in the Afghanistan theater.... what does that have anything to do with multi companies markets... his voice sounds like fingure nails on a chaulk board after that so i turned the set off and unplugged it.....  well he aint killary pizza gate and the wieners of the world....

     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2017 - 1:30 PM ET #2

    pizza gate could reappear. Pedophiles are on the run!
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    pizza gate could reappear. Pedophiles are on the run!
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2017 - 3:42 PM ET #3

    wieners sexting a 15 year old freshmen in high school hillarys top aids hubby gets 21 months.  then this freak is being sued by 25 women for assaults her main contributor fnn sic sundance.... how many of these pediphiules needced the wominzers best defender at 1600 pennsylvania avenue... i hope they !$@!$@$$^# these pcs. of humanity... if you have to beat a women to get arroused enough to violate her...  without viagra    ....you should not be.   sic bunch of ignarant arshes.... 
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    wieners sexting a 15 year old freshmen in high school hillarys top aids hubby gets 21 months.  then this freak is being sued by 25 women for assaults her main contributor fnn sic sundance.... how many of these pediphiules needced the wominzers best defender at 1600 pennsylvania avenue... i hope they !$@!$@$$^# these pcs. of humanity... if you have to beat a women to get arroused enough to violate her...  without viagra    ....you should not be.   sic bunch of ignarant arshes.... 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2017 - 5:03 PM ET #4

    I know this will fall on deaf ears but I actually read an article months ago about allowing insurance companies to sell across state lines.  You see, I originally thought it'd make sense because it'd foster competition and eventually result in better prices for people.  However, the article, which was rather lengthy, suggested a strong possibility is that a disproportional amount of coverage will end up occurring in areas.  The reason is that insurance companies will only be competitive in areas they believe will garner enough business.  So there's a strong chance that many areas will be completely ignored and the lowering of costs won't happen.   I never say much positive about Trump, for good reason, but at least this will test out how the insurance companies will react and whether it's beneficial or not.  My hunch is that rural areas will probably get screwed and costs will go up.  Let's hope I'm wrong.
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    I know this will fall on deaf ears but I actually read an article months ago about allowing insurance companies to sell across state lines.  You see, I originally thought it'd make sense because it'd foster competition and eventually result in better prices for people.  However, the article, which was rather lengthy, suggested a strong possibility is that a disproportional amount of coverage will end up occurring in areas.  The reason is that insurance companies will only be competitive in areas they believe will garner enough business.  So there's a strong chance that many areas will be completely ignored and the lowering of costs won't happen.   I never say much positive about Trump, for good reason, but at least this will test out how the insurance companies will react and whether it's beneficial or not.  My hunch is that rural areas will probably get screwed and costs will go up.  Let's hope I'm wrong.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2017 - 5:43 PM ET #5

    Pareto principle can be observed in all aspects of life and business. Intervening with the Pareto principle leads to monopolies despite the best intentions of the compassionate government.
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    Pareto principle can be observed in all aspects of life and business. Intervening with the Pareto principle leads to monopolies despite the best intentions of the compassionate government.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2017 - 6:12 PM ET #6

    I have to respectfully say I am in over my head. I think I agree 100% nature. The pedophiles are on the run.
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    I have to respectfully say I am in over my head. I think I agree 100% nature. The pedophiles are on the run.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2017 - 6:28 PM ET #7

    how do you allow a major risk pool to exist if a surpass from the whole does not define a ceiling for most risk pool...
    hence an example.
    if a state mandates all have car insurance all must define a top premium that allows a licence mandates coverage for insurance companies, to provide all insurance hence i pay 45 a month premium although i have never been in at at fault accident mand have not even a traffic ticket hence a person with 5 oui needing a waiver from the Tina's  law can be provided insurance for the rare .... occurrence he hits another vehicle and be covered....

    bit confusing but how can a government provide insurance without those needing insurance? sundance ps we are so over our heads its amazing we can still tread water lol
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    how do you allow a major risk pool to exist if a surpass from the whole does not define a ceiling for most risk pool...
    hence an example.
    if a state mandates all have car insurance all must define a top premium that allows a licence mandates coverage for insurance companies, to provide all insurance hence i pay 45 a month premium although i have never been in at at fault accident mand have not even a traffic ticket hence a person with 5 oui needing a waiver from the Tina's  law can be provided insurance for the rare .... occurrence he hits another vehicle and be covered....

    bit confusing but how can a government provide insurance without those needing insurance? sundance ps we are so over our heads its amazing we can still tread water lol
     
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    Posted: Oct. 13, 2017 - 12:15 AM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by sicknesscity:

    I know this will fall on deaf ears but I actually read an article months ago about allowing insurance companies to sell across state lines.  You see, I originally thought it'd make sense because it'd foster competition and eventually result in better prices for people.  However, the article, which was rather lengthy, suggested a strong possibility is that a disproportional amount of coverage will end up occurring in areas.  The reason is that insurance companies will only be competitive in areas they believe will garner enough business.  So there's a strong chance that many areas will be completely ignored and the lowering of costs won't happen.   I never say much positive about Trump, for good reason, but at least this will test out how the insurance companies will react and whether it's beneficial or not.  My hunch is that rural areas will probably get screwed and costs will go up.  Let's hope I'm wrong.

    There are currently several states that do allow selling across state lines.  I'm guessing most people, including POTUS, are not aware of this either.  What has happened in those states is that nobody is selling insurance to anyone across state lines.  Why?  Answer is pretty simple.  If your insurance company is in one state, it's expensive and it takes a lot of time to set up a chain of hospitals, doctors, doctors offices, dentists, eye doctors, specialists, etc.  So why would an insurance company put all the time and effort into setting up in another state when there's no way they'll turn a profit with all the money and time they have to invest?

    So you make it easier for insurance companies to sell across state lines, but even if they do sell across state lines they aren't going to be able to offer the customer anything better than insurance companies inside that persons state.  Just cause insurance companies CAN sell across state lines doesn't equal better prices.

    The theory of selling across state lines is actually implemented right now, and nobody is using it because it is ineffective.  But explaining it like that isn't sexy in a tweet.  Pe

    "Letting insurance companies sell across state lines will save the consumer lots of money" sounds awesome!!!  Except it's an empty promise.  That system already exists, and its a failure.

    The insurance plans he speaks of for small businesses and individuals are what we had before the ACA.  They are insurance plans that insure people who aren't in big pools.  When he says individuals and small businesses can get into big pools, that is a myth.  Insurance companies don't trust "big pools" of people from different businesses or individuals.  They provide big business these group rates because corporations can afford to pay the high rates.  The only way they trust these "big pools" made up of small businesses and individuals is if they are made up of young, healthy people, with no preexisting conditions.  And since there aren't going to be big pools like that, all the people who need insurance, like the ones who are older than 35 and have a preexisting condition are put into their own pool.  

    The plans these pools get are fairly inexpensive and they cover everything except pre-existing conditions, doctors visits, x-rays, birth control, hospital visits, ambulance rides, prescriptions, specialists, MRI's, chiropractors, dentists, eye doctors, ear doctors, surgeries, prenatal care, pregnancies, hospice, nursing, mental health, preventive care, emergencies, heart attacks, strokes, organ disease, immediate care, and anything associated with a spouse or child.  Other than that, you're covered.

    Make no mistake about it...this isn't a healthcare plan.  It's a system of things to make the ACA markets unstable.  The markets were actually pretty stable, not ideal, but doing OK until all the talk of Repeal and Replace.  Insurance companies had to set rates for next year already, and the markets hate uncertainty, so rates went up.  All these moves will make rates go even higher so POTUS can actually force the ACA markets to falter.  If he gets what he wants, the markets will falter, and he will be able to claim that the ACA failed.  In the meantime, millions will lose their insurance that actually covers them, and they will be forced to get insurance that doesn't cover them, but it will be much less expensive.

    Who does this affect the most?  People with pre-existing conditions, small businesses, individuals at companies without a group plan, and poor people.  

    The one thing that this regime has not done is actually talk to ACA recipients and ask their feelings on it.  Except they did it once, here in my state of Indiana in July.  I invite people who don't like the ACA to read this Facebook post from the Indiana GOP who asked people to post their ACA nightmares.

    https://www.facebook.com/indgop/photos/a.10150239544016875.315511.54312801874/10154523183266875/?type=3&theater
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    Quote Originally Posted by sicknesscity:

    I know this will fall on deaf ears but I actually read an article months ago about allowing insurance companies to sell across state lines.  You see, I originally thought it'd make sense because it'd foster competition and eventually result in better prices for people.  However, the article, which was rather lengthy, suggested a strong possibility is that a disproportional amount of coverage will end up occurring in areas.  The reason is that insurance companies will only be competitive in areas they believe will garner enough business.  So there's a strong chance that many areas will be completely ignored and the lowering of costs won't happen.   I never say much positive about Trump, for good reason, but at least this will test out how the insurance companies will react and whether it's beneficial or not.  My hunch is that rural areas will probably get screwed and costs will go up.  Let's hope I'm wrong.

    There are currently several states that do allow selling across state lines.  I'm guessing most people, including POTUS, are not aware of this either.  What has happened in those states is that nobody is selling insurance to anyone across state lines.  Why?  Answer is pretty simple.  If your insurance company is in one state, it's expensive and it takes a lot of time to set up a chain of hospitals, doctors, doctors offices, dentists, eye doctors, specialists, etc.  So why would an insurance company put all the time and effort into setting up in another state when there's no way they'll turn a profit with all the money and time they have to invest?

    So you make it easier for insurance companies to sell across state lines, but even if they do sell across state lines they aren't going to be able to offer the customer anything better than insurance companies inside that persons state.  Just cause insurance companies CAN sell across state lines doesn't equal better prices.

    The theory of selling across state lines is actually implemented right now, and nobody is using it because it is ineffective.  But explaining it like that isn't sexy in a tweet.  Pe

    "Letting insurance companies sell across state lines will save the consumer lots of money" sounds awesome!!!  Except it's an empty promise.  That system already exists, and its a failure.

    The insurance plans he speaks of for small businesses and individuals are what we had before the ACA.  They are insurance plans that insure people who aren't in big pools.  When he says individuals and small businesses can get into big pools, that is a myth.  Insurance companies don't trust "big pools" of people from different businesses or individuals.  They provide big business these group rates because corporations can afford to pay the high rates.  The only way they trust these "big pools" made up of small businesses and individuals is if they are made up of young, healthy people, with no preexisting conditions.  And since there aren't going to be big pools like that, all the people who need insurance, like the ones who are older than 35 and have a preexisting condition are put into their own pool.  

    The plans these pools get are fairly inexpensive and they cover everything except pre-existing conditions, doctors visits, x-rays, birth control, hospital visits, ambulance rides, prescriptions, specialists, MRI's, chiropractors, dentists, eye doctors, ear doctors, surgeries, prenatal care, pregnancies, hospice, nursing, mental health, preventive care, emergencies, heart attacks, strokes, organ disease, immediate care, and anything associated with a spouse or child.  Other than that, you're covered.

    Make no mistake about it...this isn't a healthcare plan.  It's a system of things to make the ACA markets unstable.  The markets were actually pretty stable, not ideal, but doing OK until all the talk of Repeal and Replace.  Insurance companies had to set rates for next year already, and the markets hate uncertainty, so rates went up.  All these moves will make rates go even higher so POTUS can actually force the ACA markets to falter.  If he gets what he wants, the markets will falter, and he will be able to claim that the ACA failed.  In the meantime, millions will lose their insurance that actually covers them, and they will be forced to get insurance that doesn't cover them, but it will be much less expensive.

    Who does this affect the most?  People with pre-existing conditions, small businesses, individuals at companies without a group plan, and poor people.  

    The one thing that this regime has not done is actually talk to ACA recipients and ask their feelings on it.  Except they did it once, here in my state of Indiana in July.  I invite people who don't like the ACA to read this Facebook post from the Indiana GOP who asked people to post their ACA nightmares.

    https://www.facebook.com/indgop/photos/a.10150239544016875.315511.54312801874/10154523183266875/?type=3&theater
     
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    Posted: Oct. 13, 2017 - 7:45 AM ET #9

    so how hard is it to swing the house and senate to left leaning.... like 35 seats do it. the democratic fund raising machine efunds has no prob with money 

    its the content of the character of the individuals they have is just a mired nightmare..... 
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    so how hard is it to swing the house and senate to left leaning.... like 35 seats do it. the democratic fund raising machine efunds has no prob with money 

    its the content of the character of the individuals they have is just a mired nightmare..... 
     
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    I didn't know many of the things you pointed out.  That's interesting.  So technically there are some states that could be selling across state lines but don't since it doesn't make sense.  Of course, my first thought is why the hell didn't someone speak up about this?  I am sure someone in the know for the healthcare industry or even a politican must be aware of it.  Don't get me wrong, I already knew this didn't fix healthcare because Trump doesn't understand the complex details anyway.  I know he's a charlatan so it doesn't matter what he says.  I loved his comment about the tax plan being presented that he made last week.  Telling people to believe him how he doesn't benefit him at all when it actually saves him a S>>>>>>>>>>H>>>IT>>>HOLE of money.  Getting rid of the estate tax alone would do that for him, besides the other things.

    That plan is going to give 80% of the new wealth generated from it to the top 1%, which means workers won't see increased wages and it's garbage but again, I didn't need to know the numbers to believe it was crap from the start.
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    I didn't know many of the things you pointed out.  That's interesting.  So technically there are some states that could be selling across state lines but don't since it doesn't make sense.  Of course, my first thought is why the hell didn't someone speak up about this?  I am sure someone in the know for the healthcare industry or even a politican must be aware of it.  Don't get me wrong, I already knew this didn't fix healthcare because Trump doesn't understand the complex details anyway.  I know he's a charlatan so it doesn't matter what he says.  I loved his comment about the tax plan being presented that he made last week.  Telling people to believe him how he doesn't benefit him at all when it actually saves him a S>>>>>>>>>>H>>>IT>>>HOLE of money.  Getting rid of the estate tax alone would do that for him, besides the other things.

    That plan is going to give 80% of the new wealth generated from it to the top 1%, which means workers won't see increased wages and it's garbage but again, I didn't need to know the numbers to believe it was crap from the start.
     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 14, 2017 - 2:22 AM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by sicknesscity:

    I didn't know many of the things you pointed out.  That's interesting.  So technically there are some states that could be selling across state lines but don't since it doesn't make sense.  Of course, my first thought is why the hell didn't someone speak up about this?  I am sure someone in the know for the healthcare industry or even a politican must be aware of it.  Don't get me wrong, I already knew this didn't fix healthcare because Trump doesn't understand the complex details anyway.  I know he's a charlatan so it doesn't matter what he says.  I loved his comment about the tax plan being presented that he made last week.  Telling people to believe him how he doesn't benefit him at all when it actually saves him a S>>>>>>>>>>H>>>IT>>>HOLE of money.  Getting rid of the estate tax alone would do that for him, besides the other things.

    That plan is going to give 80% of the new wealth generated from it to the top 1%, which means workers won't see increased wages and it's garbage but again, I didn't need to know the numbers to believe it was crap from the start.

    Why didn't someone speak out about this...

    People have spoke out about this.  Many organizations have.  But the organizations write long articles full of numbers, stats, and examples.  People don't want to read that stuff.  It's too complicated.  It gets no ratings boost on cable news, so they don't report it. 

    What's easier for people to get understand: 

    A:  A long article that is complicated and full of numbers, fractions, charts and examples that takes a long time to decipher, that digests all the information, explains it in depth, and then presents the pros and cons to the plan.

    B:  A politician that says, "Millions and millions of people are going to be signing up for this, and they are going to be happy".

    Option A isn't sexy to report on.  A numerical based study with complicated calculations doesn't draw ratings.  But a simple statement like Option B is easy for people to hear, it's easy to believe in, and how could you argue with it?  People are going to be happy!!!  Awesome...I love people being happy!!!  

    We're in the age of twitter, and cable news which require no substance.  You can present all the facts, figures, and numbers you want against the POTUS for this plan, and the response you'll get is the same.  

    "MAGA"

    Easy to say, easy to type..simple and safe.  That's the ultimate argument for them.  I just hope Congress or the Courts or the insurance markets can intervene before people get drastically affected.





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    Quote Originally Posted by sicknesscity:

    I didn't know many of the things you pointed out.  That's interesting.  So technically there are some states that could be selling across state lines but don't since it doesn't make sense.  Of course, my first thought is why the hell didn't someone speak up about this?  I am sure someone in the know for the healthcare industry or even a politican must be aware of it.  Don't get me wrong, I already knew this didn't fix healthcare because Trump doesn't understand the complex details anyway.  I know he's a charlatan so it doesn't matter what he says.  I loved his comment about the tax plan being presented that he made last week.  Telling people to believe him how he doesn't benefit him at all when it actually saves him a S>>>>>>>>>>H>>>IT>>>HOLE of money.  Getting rid of the estate tax alone would do that for him, besides the other things.

    That plan is going to give 80% of the new wealth generated from it to the top 1%, which means workers won't see increased wages and it's garbage but again, I didn't need to know the numbers to believe it was crap from the start.

    Why didn't someone speak out about this...

    People have spoke out about this.  Many organizations have.  But the organizations write long articles full of numbers, stats, and examples.  People don't want to read that stuff.  It's too complicated.  It gets no ratings boost on cable news, so they don't report it. 

    What's easier for people to get understand: 

    A:  A long article that is complicated and full of numbers, fractions, charts and examples that takes a long time to decipher, that digests all the information, explains it in depth, and then presents the pros and cons to the plan.

    B:  A politician that says, "Millions and millions of people are going to be signing up for this, and they are going to be happy".

    Option A isn't sexy to report on.  A numerical based study with complicated calculations doesn't draw ratings.  But a simple statement like Option B is easy for people to hear, it's easy to believe in, and how could you argue with it?  People are going to be happy!!!  Awesome...I love people being happy!!!  

    We're in the age of twitter, and cable news which require no substance.  You can present all the facts, figures, and numbers you want against the POTUS for this plan, and the response you'll get is the same.  

    "MAGA"

    Easy to say, easy to type..simple and safe.  That's the ultimate argument for them.  I just hope Congress or the Courts or the insurance markets can intervene before people get drastically affected.





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