TRUMP is on a Major Roll

  Some good thoughts about Trump and the USA’s help in ending some of the conflicts:

 President Trump has now brokered an end to yet another war.  One that does not always get the headlines.

   So, we know that President Trump ended a potential nuclear war between India and Pakistan.

   We know that President Trump ended the Israeli/Iran war that was just going in a terrible direction and now looks headed towards regime change.  And with no nuclear weapons for Iran — very important.

   Now President Trump has ended the Rwandan Congo war.  One that goes back years, if not decades.  And it is a USA-led ceasefire.

   Blessed are the peacemakers.

   President Trump now has his eyes on Israel/Gaza and Russia/Ukraine.

   Could you imagine if he ends five wars in one year.

   Joe Biden was starting new wars, not to mention we had a wide-open southern border and a terrible economy.

   President Trump is ending three wars in a short period of time.

   Blessed are the peacemakers.

   Should he get the Noble Peace Prize — I think so.

You are giving credit for ending wars that started under Trump's watch???  Wow what a breakdown! India and Pakistan also both stated Trump and trade had nothing to do with their ceasefire (This war also started under Trump). 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/india-disputes-trumps-claim-that-u-s-trade-incentives-led-to-ceasefire-with-pakistan

Russia and Ukraine war is worse than it has ever been. Trump was supposed to end this war after he was elected, actually before he ever entered into office remember (one phone call). After that initial broken promise, he was also supposed to make it end over 2 weeks ago after he "let" the two countries fight in the sandbox in the park for a little. Of course never happened. Israel and Gaza getting worse by the day too. 

Sorry your boy is not getting a Nobel Peace Prize, which is why his nomination was rescinded last week. Like your boy Pete Kegsbreath said in Qatar "We are in the business of war fighting". Hardly, a statement or mission for global peace, rather an advocation for more wars. 

By the way any confirmation from anyone in the intelligence community that Iran possesses nuclear weapons? I mean DNI Gabbard continuously explained Iran was nowhere near developing nuke weapon capabilities. Any confirmed location of Iran's nuclear stockpile yet?   Why is it essential Iran does not have nuclear weapons? They cannot protect their own country and interests like the rest of the world? 

@Raiders22

 I know you are as partisan as it gets but this stuff is just borderline hilarity. You think that Trump could broker peace between Pakistan and India that lasts for more than a year at most? 

What EXACTLY did Trump do that brought together two groups of people who have been fighting for generations and have deep rooted caste based hatred for each other? NOTHING that is what Trump did, they dont care about Trump and this will not last and is not really solving the regional problems.

Blessed are the peacemakers? So India and Pakistan are Christians now? Better served to put up a ridiculous Hindu based parable than to use a Christian line.

@DeezyAZ81

Both India and Pakistan did NOT state that.

You simply have to give credit to whomever is brokering the peace deal(s).

For example:

Pakistan has formally recommended US President Donald Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize, citing his “decisive diplomatic intervention” following a spike in violence between India and Pakistan earlier this year.

The government praised Trump for leveraging his “pivotal leadership” in May, when several days of cross-border strikes marked the worst regional fighting between the two nuclear-armed nations since 1971, killing dozens and stoking fears of a wider war.

I am not sure what to tell someone that does not realize the difference between allowing Iran to have nuclear weapons versus a more peaceful country.

Absolutely they can protect their own country (but not necessarily their own interests).  But think about how very, very few countries have nuclear weapons just to protect their own countries.

There is a vast chasm between allowing Switzerland to have nuclear weapons versus allowing Iran to have them.

So, no they did not ‘possess’ nuclear weapons — yet.  And that has been the point every time their facilities and scientists and leaders get attacked — for them NOT to possess them. This is not the first time nor likely the last time this has happened.

@wallstreetcappers

It is not really a matter of exactly what I think.  It is what reasonable people that assess the situation think.

Again, you have to give credit to whomever is in charge when it happens just as you would give them blame for things they cause while in office.

Trump and his administration are in charge while the peace deals are being brokered.

The guy is quoting from a part of the Bible that you actually say you do believe in.

The guy is referring to Trump as the peacemaker in this instance and NOT India and Pakistan.  So, their religions have nothing to do with his point(s).

So, to demean the Hindu religion by using the term ‘ridiculous parable’ is quite dismissive.

It does not matter if it lasts or if they care about Trump.  What matters is he got them to sit down and agree to peace for now.

Like the lady said the other day Biden simply did not answer the phone about the Rwandan conflict.  What other USA President has done anything like this for that region.  Then what other USA President has gotten two of the most populous nuclear countries to sit down and calm down.  Then to get some of the ME countries to do the same when no other USA President has done it is a very good thing.  Even from his first administration the Left does not want to give credit for what the Abraham Accords did, etc.

So, being partisan has nothing to do with it really; but being partisan has everything with not being able to give him credit for achieving what no one else has done.

Nearly every leader involved has expressed that they sincerely believe Trump wants peace in the world and for not just the USA to succeed but for other countries to succeed as well.

Even the people directly involved in this say the same thing.  Look at what the folks in Iran are saying and the billboards and things like that.

So what did India say?? India does not agree with Pakistan. So why exactly should I take what Pakistan says to heart but not India??? Hmmm. I do not care what Pakistan recommended. His latest formal nomination for a Nobel Peace Prize (which was a joke to begin with), was rescinded after he launched air strikes on Iran. He will not be getting one. I know tough break for you Trumpers.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/india-disputes-trumps-claim-that-u-s-trade-incentives-led-to-ceasefire-with-pakistan

Ill go ahead and believe India considering Trump's track record of failing to ignite peace or stop wars (Ukraine-Russia, Iran-Israel, Gaza, Turkish-Kurdish war, the list goes on). You go ahead and fall for Pakistan's version of events though. 

Trump never cared about Iran possessing nuclear materials or nuclear weapons. If he did, he would not have withdrawn from the Iranian nuclear agreement during his first administration (which was essential for monitoring the program and limiting enrichment capabilities). You are getting played and are simply gullible. This is about cozying up to Netty and looking to expand Trump's own financial interests. Secondly, the U.S. nor Israel possess any right in terms of telling countries if they can or cannot possess nuclear weapons. Why should Israel have nuclear weapons, or North Korea, or China, but Iran cannot? There is no real justification for it. You should read Kenneth Waltz "Why Iran Should get the Bomb" (2012). It may broaden your thought process, although I doubt it. 

For example:

The Indian government on Tuesday disputed U.S. President Donald Trump’s claim that the U.S.-mediated ceasefire between India and Pakistan came about in part because he had offered possible trade concessions.

Addressing a weekly news conference, Randhir Jaiswal, the spokesman for India’s foreign ministry, said top leaders in New Delhi and Washington were in touch last week following the Indian military’s intense standoff with Pakistan, but that there was no conversation on trade.

“The issue of trade didn’t come up in any of these discussions,” Jaiswal said, referring to the conversations held between U.S. Vice President JD Vance and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, as well as between U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio and his Indian counterpart, S. Jaishankar.
The escalating hostilities between the nuclear-armed rivals threatened regional peace, leading to calls by world leaders to cool down tempers.

Trump said he not only helped mediate the ceasefire, but also offered mediation over the simmering dispute in Kashmir, a Himalayan region that both India and Pakistan claim in entirety but administer in parts. The two nations have fought two wars over Kashmir, which has long been described as the regional nuclear flashpoint.

New Delhi also declined Trump’s offer for mediation on Tuesday.

“We have a longstanding national position that any issues related to the federally controlled union territory of Jammu and Kashmir must be addressed by India and Pakistan bilaterally. There has been no change to the stated policy,” Jaiswal said.

Someone isn't being honest about this situation. What did Trump specifically do to broker a ceasefire between these adversaries again? By the way, this war started during his administration as well. Not sure how you get credit for ending the war which you were not involved with but not the blame for the war starting on your watch?? 

@Raiders22

 "So, being partisan has nothing to do with it really; but being partisan has everything with not being able to give him credit for achieving what no one else has done."

being partisan has nothing to do with it because we discuss topics, events, ideas, and positions rather than making it about the member themselves?

Or credit for anything he's done.

What I want to know, where is Liz and Fauci? The fire alarm puller finally surfaced the other day, another bright spot for the party.  Are you sure it's 21% these days, I know thats what Quinnipiac was showing recently.  What a funny farm huh? 

Why would Liz Cheney destroy 14,000 hours of J6 surveillance hours? 

Hey I like this Cat, he brings a a lot to the table, him and Crocket seems like a winning ticket? 

@lovethedough

 Stock market at its highest ever! All the chicken littles disappeared or go back to Canada!

Finally decency in the WH, no women flashing their boobs on the WH lawn, no anal sex in the chambers, no cocaine in lockers, what the hell is happening to this country? 

God have Mercy ! 

Add to your list Border crossing virtually ZILCH!

We were told congress needs to pass a bill, blatant lie after 15 million let in on the low side. 

The laptop was Russian Disinformation, FBI told META and Twitter to censor it, 51 CIA officials lied ! Zuckenberg disclosed this under oath!

I will not pardon my son empty suit told us for 2 years, the courts will decide, okay got it !

I had nothing to do with my sons business dealings or met his business partners, okay got it

At one time in your life would you think we wouldn't be able to define a man verse a women? I would give it the same chance as not being able to identifying a dog and cat.

Unreal where this country is at today !

And the crazy thing is the looney's will still defend all of this ! 

Zohran Mamdani and Jasmine Crockett 2028 ticket, cant go wrong ! 

@unplucked_gem

Maybe so, in the confines of this site.

However, if you expand it to a more broader area it can look vastly different.

Terms and their definitions are important for context.

For example, if you mention Harris or Biden you will isolate more people than you will invite.

But if you broaden it by saying ‘liberal democracy’, you begin to include more people along the lines of McCain and even Reagan.

It is very delineated, but nuanced, around the world in various ways.

As one guy put it, in Canada you can use ‘liberalism’ but cannot praise ‘liberals’; in Britain using either term is looked at as out of touch; in France it is looked at as failed from the start.  Whereas, in the USA in can actually, more cleanly, be termed ‘republicanism’.

So, whether you cloud the term with both free markets and looking at them askance; adoring social democracy but dismissing the statism side of it, you still arrive at a point where it is losing its luster.

You can take this all the way back to JS Mill and some of his writings.

The worry for a few years is that liberalism is fading and has not worked.  So, the adherents to this have been worried about this for the last few years because they have been seeing this shift in support, especially in the youth around the world.

So, I would not look at this site as a true reflection of the ideology or its way of discussing them.  Because there are actually some very good and detailed discussions to be had.

@DeezyAZ81

 I think most folks know where Modi stands.  He has expressed his gratitude towards Trump quite a few times. As have a few of their leaders.  But the more key thing is to look at what the actual folks are saying about it and not really some journalists with an ax to grind, so to speak. 

@DeezyAZ81

 I am not sure what you mean about Trump not caring about Iran having nuclear weapons.  He has repeatedly stated his thoughts on it.  But these are the same thoughts a long line of Democrats have held.  In fact, any reasonable person has the same views.  
So, I am not sure why you seem so set on supporting that regime.  

@DeezyAZ81

 If it ‘starts’ on your watch — BUT you did not start it; does it matter.  

HOWEVER, if you stop it, or at least put a pause to it, do you not think that should earn you some credit.  

@HayHay2

 Is that rhetorical?  Or do you not really know the latest on Fauci and where he is?

No, I really don't know what happen to him. I know he received a Pardon but does that mean you go into hiding? 

I see that you refuse to answer questions. Why is India claiming that no trade deals were discussed and Trump is stating that is what kicked off the ceasefire? Why would India lie about that? I will ask the question again what did Trump specifically do to broker a ceasefire agreement between India and Pakistan? What are the terms of the ceasefire agreement that Trump negotiated? You do not seem to know how to answer these questions or any details surrounding a ceasefire that your boy supposedly brokered.  This tells me all I need to know. 

I @DeezyAZ81

 I answered the ones that pertained to what the quote was about. 
To these, every country will have their different agendas and attempts to save face or keep their grievances open on a back burner.  I could k certainly speculate on those.  But that is a bit adrift of the quote. 
The ceasefire your boy brokered was all in the news and you can read about it.  All the homework is not my duty.  What exact details would you want to know that would convince you one way or the other.  The bottom line is still the same.  Ceasefires were done and the USA played a part in it and they are led by your boy.   
So, any minute details you want to know for some obscure reason you can read on many sources.  I am sure there were plenty there in the USA to read.  If you cannot find what you want to know I can find you some offshore ones for sure.  
But none of it matters to the fact that it was done. 
But I will answer in question you like on the quote.  But if you want to veer off topic just admit to the original one being correct and we can diverge from there. 

[Quote: Originally Posted by Raiders22]@DeezyAZ81  If it ‘starts’ on your watch — BUT you did not start it; does it matter.   HOWEVER, if you stop it, or at least put a pause to it, do you not think that should earn you some credit.[/Quote

No I do not think you should earn some credit because MAGA Republicans claimed that no new wars in the International system started under Trump (verifiably false), which meant he was the peacetime president. Whether the United States actually started the wars or not was not a part of the claim or justification for voting for this fraud again. You did not hold those same standards for Biden, so I do not want to hear that nonsense now. I also argue that Bibi Netty (Israel) got much more violent and emboldened when Trump got in office. Hence why he waited to strike Iran and raise his level of destruction in Gaza once was TACO Trump was in office again. 

So no, you should not earn some credit for momentarily pausing wars that started when you were president. If so, you better be blaming him for Ukraine-Russian war getting worse by the day, as well as Israel-Palestine violence at Gaza being worse than when he entered office by far. You cannot take credit for wars being paused, and then avoid blame for wars ongoing in the global system. Nice try though. 

So exactly what I thought. You do not have the answers. Do your own homework simply means you do not know and you are not well versed on the situation. I also asked you specifically what conditions and terms TRUMP brokered? Again, you did not answer because you do not know. Name one of these sources in which I can find what TRUMP negotiated between Pakistan and India. I will wait. A simple article name or source will suffice.  

@DeezyAZ81

 But if you want to move to other topics, I would have a couple of questions for you about something you just posted.  
I understand why you think Iran and any other country that chooses should have nuclear weapons.  
But you certainly do not apply that on the individual level.  You would not be okay with a radical person having a gun to protect their home.  Not when this person has threatened folks and shown aggressive behavior in the past.  He has threatened folks at work and even threatened to kill his wife.  In fact, he has a restraining order and has been arrested a couple of times for aggressive behavior and assault.  

So, why do you not apply this on an international level?  To a country that is run by a few very radical individuals that have demonstrated this type of behavior and threatening aggression?

Can you consolidate these two things?  Because I am sure you can understand why a lot of people would disagree with you on your political side.  Including Clinton, Obama, and Biden, etc.